Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Adam and Abdesmbsmb, Instead of throwing around insults which are not logically sound, I encourage you both to formulate arguments based on logic. If you are unable to do this, I'd suggest that you quit attending brain washing ceremonies, or rather (cough cough) sabaqs, and enroll in a rhetoric clas...

Al Zulfiqar.... Don't bother trying to elicit a response from these people. I'm sure you've noticed that every time an intelligent mark is scored against them, they go into a period of stagnancy, and only return to throw some weightless insult around a few days later. They can't argue against the fa...

I think that many of you may find that outburst inappropriate or offensive. However, I want you all to think about your childish arguments on here, especially concerning the wahabi subject. While you people argue endlessly, no one speaks out against the hundreds of Muslims being killed, no, being IN...

Since the discussion has gravitated to wahabi vs bohra beliefs again, I think that it's safe to say that the Islamic extremist movement stems from the wahabi philosophy. Literal interpretation of the Quran, which is a violent book in some regards (no one here, especially the wahabis, can deny this) ...

They just add fancy words to simple terminology to make anything done by syedna or Mansoos appear impressive. In my opinion, it helps to build up the reverence that people have for them; in other words, it's just a very clever way of deepening enslavement. These people might be very unscrupulous, bu...

I have seen previously in the masjid that the amil, their children, and other nobles (the ones that are related to some other da'i) hardly do any matam. I don't understand how bohras have never brought this up with the amil. Even the da'i and Mansoos abstain from any matam. This hypocrisy is so clea...

Don't be seduced by the mazoon and his well educated and intelligent family. The dai's family is not unintelligent, they use their intelligence to their advantage. Just because the mazoon's daughter preaches women's rights, it doesn't mean that following the mazoon's family will ameliorate the entir...

Pathetic. Such hypocrites, all of the nobility in this community. They tell their followers to do "purjosh matam" and then they sit there stone faced. They tell people to let go of worldly wealth and live more religiously, while they drive expensive cars and fly first class. And their fool...

As2153, I'm sure we all respect your... Answers. Regarding the vajebaat payments... I agree that a jamaat needs funds to operate. However, when people are forced to pay thousands of dollars/rupees to the jamaat, it seems that the amil can suddenly afford first class tickets to India and an expensive...

Adam, would you just answer the questions that have been posed? Your foolish blather is pissing me off. You're skipping over all the things that you can't explain. In response to this umpteenth inquiry for your answers to those questions, you're probably going to spew out even more garbage. Admin, i...

Oh really hunni, "Allah" gives to whomever he pleases? Yeah, he gives billions to rich, non Muslim businessmen who pay poor Chinese workers cents to fuel their empires.

#religionsucks

Hunni is an imbecile, no counter argument to that fallacious defense of the Organization is needed. Now please, hunni, donate your life savings to the qardan hassana so that the money can promptly be donated to malek ul ashtar to buy his juvenile son another expensive car (how many poor families cou...

I am not too familiar with the Indian constitution, but I think that this article may explain why Bohras must not pay up for spaces in the masjid. Article 27: Freedom as to payment of taxes for promotion of any particular religion No person shall be compelled to pay any taxes, the proceeds of which ...

There is no "proper" interpretation of the Quran. Never has there been. There has never been a proper "face of Islam". Even during Mohammed's time, there was internal unrest, which led to the split. Today, these branches have, unfortunately.... http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/28/world...

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Progticide - All of you posts on this forum are completely unrelated to the subject at hand. All of your moronic posts simply suggest that you have no rational argument to the endless list of abuses carried out by your clergy. It's fairly obvious to me, at least, that you are a completely incompeten...

Fair enough. My apologies for drifting off topic. In response to the actual subject, I think the best thing that can be done, considering the power of the kothar system, is to raise awareness and specifically target the younger people. Since they are taught more rationally in schools these days, if ...

Oh, one more thing. Concerning you tsunami, why would a merciful God even allow millions to be killed by tsunamis? Come on, he's a perfect ruler, nothing changes according to your claim. Hmm... why is there poverty and war, if God is so caring and great? Why does he allow, what, a rape every few min...

Boy, I'm having a field day today! Remember that the burden of proof lies on the persons making the claim Your first error is associating me with one Salman Rushdie. I know very little about him, but I'll have you know that I don't aim to insult people of different religious, neither do I aim to vi...

As2152- I feel bad for you. And it's no fault of your own. Your logic is ancient, foolish, wrong, and reeks of absolute stupidity. Just because you cannot explain something, you turn to the explanation that god has created it, your argument is digging you into an infinitely deep hole. When the Greek...

as2153 - Thanks for your post. You're giving me more ammo to expend. This is another problem with religion. When people start to shift their beliefs, (even when they are based on simple logic and science) the religious institution is riled up and will immediately try to force those people back in t...

There is no such thing as "practicing the good stuff" and simply discarding the rest. Where there is religion, there will, undoubtedly, be oppression, a caste system, violence, and lack of democracy. People with degrading policies (to gays, poor, blacks) are always those who are religiousl...

The reference to the pope: The pope symbolizes the problem of religion. He is an anti gay advocate. You cannot bar people from doing what they are literally programmed to do. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is genetic, and yet this "great" pope is against legalization of homosexual activ...

You're all very much enlightened. It's hard to leave a religious system that you've been raised into. I think, however, that all you reformists still have one step to take. Do you see how religion has played out in your lives? All it has lead to is greed and oppression. The only way to prevent it fr...

What affair was Mazoon Saheb involved in, and is there any hard evidence for the aforementioned affair? Or was it fabricated by the leadership?

Why would anyone join Mazoon Saheb? It's only a choice between two incompetent leaders. The reformists shouldn't take a side in this, you'll end up in the same place you started, guaranteed. It should be entertaining to see how this turns out though.

Nobody is safe in Pakistan. That place is a failed state, a lawless hell pit. Why do you think syedi Muffaddal bs left after the bombings? His money can't fix it, the USAs money can't fix it, nothing can fix it. I advise bohras there to find a way out. That's not a place to raise children.

It's ridiculous that the tomb of an important figure in the bohra religion has been destroyed and most bohras don't even give a rats ass. It's even more damning that the leadership has failed to address the issue. About the death of the children and others: I'm dubbing this a fascist system, so the ...

I have an idea for the reformist bohras who are serious about their movement. Why not compile a list of the grievances, and if there is an eloquent writer among you, come up with some kind of document. Send this document to news outlets, politicians, anyone anywhere. Use Facebook. You can't succeed ...

Read the Quran. Pray in the direction of Mecca five times a day. Go to heaven while the other 6.5 billion people waiting to die go to hell. Makes sense.