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by Grayson
Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:12 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Why Bohra's are not allowed to read Quran with translation
Replies: 46
Views: 11795

Re: WHY BOHRA'S ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ QURAN WITH TRANSLAT

From the experiences I've had when expressing interest in reading Quran translations or tafseers to Bohras learned in it, the rule of thumb is to feel free to read whatever you please, just don't go so far to interpret it literally based on those translations. I've observed that a majority of cousi...
by Grayson
Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:33 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Petition to Aali Qadr Mansoos Mola to declare successor asap
Replies: 18
Views: 5462

Re: Petition to Aali Qadr Mansoos Mola to declare successor

I was inclined to snipe snidely in turn, but instead I'll try to keep this respectful, as you're likely older and more experienced. I am a young man who's barely hit his 20s, from a well to do liberal minded orthodox family. I find (most) ideals on this site sympathetic and participate like any oth...
by Grayson
Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:02 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: ROTI MAKING COMPETITION
Replies: 37
Views: 8496

Re: ROTI MAKING COMPETITION

Perhaps the Shehzadi's of today are spoiled rotten, but there used to be a time when Busaheba herself would make roti and have it passed among people. Indeed a great Uncle of mine learned to make roti in, you guessed it, Jamea. While I think this as being an overall useful workshop, I disagree how ...
by Grayson
Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:59 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Petition to Aali Qadr Mansoos Mola to declare successor asap
Replies: 18
Views: 5462

Re: Mansoos and Mazun of Aaliqadar

Bushra on Eid One Shaikh Tayyabali Khachrodwala of Kuthaar during discussion with my cousin(a big chmcha Shaikh of Mumbai) to establlish good relation with Taha bhaisaheb as he would be next crown prince, as per varios signs. He also revailed that after Syedna Burhanuddin, Mufaddal Moula will appoi...
by Grayson
Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:55 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Zehra Cyclewala Thunderstorms the Dais' Devrhi in Surat
Replies: 94
Views: 23668

Re: Zehra Cyclewala Thunderstorms the Dais' Devrhi in Surat

Every year in Bombay, big propaganda is done when one or two members of Dai’s family go out and offer Idd namaz with Sunni Muslims under the Imamat of a Sunni Imam. I've never heard of this before. Could you please corroborate the statement with some sort of article? Thanks. Now if some body tells ...
by Grayson
Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:52 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Undue trouble for Mukasir Saheb
Replies: 36
Views: 8969

Re: Undue trouble for Mukasir Saheb

As Adam says, Mukasir saheb is standing out of his free will, and likely wouldn't have if he couldn't. So I don't see this as being "Undue trouble" for him. It's a running theme in our society: the problem for a good chunk of people isn't that they feel undue trouble, it's that they don't realize i...
by Grayson
Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:48 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: How can we help this PDB website
Replies: 128
Views: 18783

Re: How can we help this PDB website

DB Londoner is NOT a Kothari agent, hacker, or off-topic troll. I disagree with his confrontational tendencies, but agree with some of his points. There are some hard truths. Friendly suggestion: even if you dislike his style, do not discredit all (even if most) of what is said. I felt like mention...
by Grayson
Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:59 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Does Islam Stand Against Science ?
Replies: 19
Views: 9589

Re: Does Islam Stand Against Science ?

The words of God, compiled by man. For believers, it's not God they disagree in. It's humans.
by Grayson
Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:11 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: How can we help this PDB website
Replies: 128
Views: 18783

Re: How can we help this PDB website

Sometimes I can't tell if this is an actual movement in progress, or just a forum to share and argue ideals. Regardless, the latter is a much appreciated endeavor that's invaluable simply for existing. But it needs to be more than a forum (if there's actually long-term goals as idealized). Now peop...
by Grayson
Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:40 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: enslavement of children by parents.
Replies: 145
Views: 20501

Re: enslavement of children by parents.

Haven't heard it in a while, although I'm unsure where they'd fit that in. Could have cut out the hudood to make room. :wink:
by Grayson
Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:02 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: enslavement of children by parents.
Replies: 145
Views: 20501

Re: enslavement of children by parents.

English translation as provided by Insaf Saheb: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=574&p=92296&hilit=m ... ion#p92296
Most recent? Is there a new/altered one?
by Grayson
Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:25 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: How can we help this PDB website
Replies: 128
Views: 18783

Re: How can we help this PDB website

Please do not throw labels so freely particularly when they're inaccurate or based on assumption. Londoner doesn't seem to be a Kothari sympathizer, let alone an agent. His points aren't completely invalid, in that a lot of contribution is more towards an ideal and commentary/suggestions by users r...
by Grayson
Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:29 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Wajebaat use, Ayyashi & Haramkari of Qasre Aali
Replies: 8
Views: 2621

Re: Wajebaat use, Ayyashi & Haramkari of Qasre Aali

Don't equate clarification to deflection. Agreed with trvoice, that at least knowing where it takes place offers knowledge. Without compromising the identities of specific people.
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:34 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

While I agree the DB-Faith (some, not all believers) falls into that trap in a way that's way too restricted, Shia theology isn't half as unfounded as you think it is. Ahlus Sunnah see Shia believing in less of the Quran, precisely because their interpretation of it doesn't sit well with yours. Whe...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:19 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

Perhaps not everyone, but it overlaps among different believers: Hadith of the Two Weighty Things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_the_two_weighty_things Well, I will take this hadith into consideration, when the Ahlul Bayt are actually with us. Right now they are not. Than don't hate on tho...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:18 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

Here is how I deal with this issue. It is actually very simple and logical. If there is an interpretation of a certain portion of a certain ayah causing a major split between 2 sects, then how do you resolve that issue. One sect has its own hadith, the other one has its own. In that case, the only ...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:07 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

Hmmm a hidden Imam hiding for centuries. Not unjustified at all. Considering the fact that the hidden Imam talks to your Dai every now and then. Pray, is this the concept of the Ahlul Bayt? How did you make the jump from "I will leave the ahlul bayt with you" to "I will leave the ahlul bayt with yo...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:03 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Shias and Sunnis

It's not selective as much as it's mindful of the circumstance tha t lead to the aayat, which gives it more clarity in it's intent than simple words alone. The problem is, the Quran isn't absolute without interpretation in regards to which sects hold different views. Do you know of the circumstance...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:01 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

anajmi wrote:So tell me again, what did the prophet (saw) say in this hadith that is believed by everyone?
Perhaps not everyone, but it overlaps among different believers:

Hadith of the Two Weighty Things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_ ... hty_things
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:58 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

Now that is what I call selective interpretation. It isn't my view my friend. It is the ayah of the Quran. That is the problem over here. The Quran is being dismissed as being someone's view. Nothing more that I can say to fix that. It's not selective as much as it's mindful of the circumstance tha...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:55 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

What concept? That the ahlul bayt are divine? or that the Ahlul Bayt are the Ahlul Bayt? Do you know anyone who is a part of your conceptual Ahlul Bayt alive today? If you do not, then how did the prophet leave the Ahlul Bayt with you? The concept that there's an Imam, whether in seclusion or not, ...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:51 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

33's been mentioned rather thoroughly on this post, and while I'm more accustomed to the Rivaayat in regards to it's relevation that I learned, I won't denounce your view so much as consider it a difference in interpretation. Regardless, the wives of the Prophet are certainly of his family, and I p...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:38 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

That's a fair (even if I don't agree) reply in regards to Ahl ul Bayt, but I'm quite accustomed to having that apply (Rasulallah's Ahl ul Bayt) for Imam's Hasan and Hussain as well, something that according to atleast Shia theology, they extended to their progeny. Why would that be an unfair assump...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:12 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

anajmi, 1) Wait, so they're not Ahl ul Bayt? In that case, who is? 2) Considering the prophet said they're among the two precious things he'll leave behind, I assumed they held some significance. 3) I concede, that my reference to corrupt leaders is more in regards to apologists that pray RA after ...
by Grayson
Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:58 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Shias and Sunnis
Replies: 363
Views: 57521

Re: This Forum Is Creating Panic In Kothari Circles.

I do not mean to get involved in this fight, but I am too curious in regards to your responses. God wants to say with this negative connotation that do not rely on another's intercession as he may not get Allah's permission to intercede. But the idiot's interpretation of this is that intercession i...
by Grayson
Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:49 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Intercession and divinty
Replies: 130
Views: 11882

Re: Shirk of Abde Bohras and Muslim world

Bohra spring wrote:This principle goes 2 ways....both sides need to tolerate each others views whether they agree or disagree
The 'principle' just is (there are countless amount of 'sides'), and it applies to everyone.
by Grayson
Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:03 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Intercession and divinty
Replies: 130
Views: 11882

Re: Shirk of Abde Bohras and Muslim world

It could, but it might not be all Quraan for him like many other people. The prophet left two precious things (thaqalayn) for Muslims. The Quraan and the Ahl ul Bayt. This hadith we can agree upon. Correct me if I'm wrong, you're more in tune with the Quraanic side of teachings, due to various reas...
by Grayson
Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:40 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Intercession and divinty
Replies: 130
Views: 11882

Re: Shirk of Abde Bohras and Muslim world

Matter-of-fact also depends on the extent of one's interpretation, which is rather unique for each person even if they belong to a particular orthodoxy. Their matter-of-fact in belief is no less than your matter-of-fact in designation considering they both invoke the name of Allah, supported by dis...
by Grayson
Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:09 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Intercession and divinty
Replies: 130
Views: 11882

Re: Shirk of Abde Bohras and Muslim world

anajmi wrote:Then the shia are mushrik.
According to your particular beliefs and specific interpretations, sure. As long as you're not speaking matter-of-factly on behalf of Allah. :wink:
by Grayson
Fri May 31, 2013 5:27 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Shirk of Abde Bohras and Muslim world
Replies: 35
Views: 6915

Re: Shirk of Abde Bohras and Muslim world

badrijanab,

In the future when you mention an Aayat in your arguments, can you also provide it in it's entirety instead of just referencing the Sura and Aayat numbers? It makes it easier to refer to. Thanks.