Dawoodi Bohra Forum

From the experiences I've had when expressing interest in reading Quran translations or tafseers to Bohras learned in it, the rule of thumb is to feel free to read whatever you please, just don't go so far to interpret it literally based on those translations. I've observed that a majority of cousi...

I was inclined to snipe snidely in turn, but instead I'll try to keep this respectful, as you're likely older and more experienced. I am a young man who's barely hit his 20s, from a well to do liberal minded orthodox family. I find (most) ideals on this site sympathetic and participate like any oth...

Perhaps the Shehzadi's of today are spoiled rotten, but there used to be a time when Busaheba herself would make roti and have it passed among people. Indeed a great Uncle of mine learned to make roti in, you guessed it, Jamea. While I think this as being an overall useful workshop, I disagree how ...

Bushra on Eid One Shaikh Tayyabali Khachrodwala of Kuthaar during discussion with my cousin(a big chmcha Shaikh of Mumbai) to establlish good relation with Taha bhaisaheb as he would be next crown prince, as per varios signs. He also revailed that after Syedna Burhanuddin, Mufaddal Moula will appoi...

Every year in Bombay, big propaganda is done when one or two members of Dai’s family go out and offer Idd namaz with Sunni Muslims under the Imamat of a Sunni Imam. I've never heard of this before. Could you please corroborate the statement with some sort of article? Thanks. Now if some body tells ...

As Adam says, Mukasir saheb is standing out of his free will, and likely wouldn't have if he couldn't. So I don't see this as being "Undue trouble" for him. It's a running theme in our society: the problem for a good chunk of people isn't that they feel undue trouble, it's that they don't...

DB Londoner is NOT a Kothari agent, hacker, or off-topic troll. I disagree with his confrontational tendencies, but agree with some of his points. There are some hard truths. Friendly suggestion: even if you dislike his style, do not discredit all (even if most) of what is said. I felt like mention...

Sometimes I can't tell if this is an actual movement in progress, or just a forum to share and argue ideals. Regardless, the latter is a much appreciated endeavor that's invaluable simply for existing. But it needs to be more than a forum (if there's actually long-term goals as idealized). Now peop...

Please do not throw labels so freely particularly when they're inaccurate or based on assumption. Londoner doesn't seem to be a Kothari sympathizer, let alone an agent. His points aren't completely invalid, in that a lot of contribution is more towards an ideal and commentary/suggestions by users r...

While I agree the DB-Faith (some, not all believers) falls into that trap in a way that's way too restricted, Shia theology isn't half as unfounded as you think it is. Ahlus Sunnah see Shia believing in less of the Quran, precisely because their interpretation of it doesn't sit well with yours. Whe...

Perhaps not everyone, but it overlaps among different believers: Hadith of the Two Weighty Things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_the_two_weighty_things Well, I will take this hadith into consideration, when the Ahlul Bayt are actually with us. Right now they are not. Than don't hate on tho...

Here is how I deal with this issue. It is actually very simple and logical. If there is an interpretation of a certain portion of a certain ayah causing a major split between 2 sects, then how do you resolve that issue. One sect has its own hadith, the other one has its own. In that case, the only ...

Hmmm a hidden Imam hiding for centuries. Not unjustified at all. Considering the fact that the hidden Imam talks to your Dai every now and then. Pray, is this the concept of the Ahlul Bayt? How did you make the jump from "I will leave the ahlul bayt with you" to "I will leave the ahl...

It's not selective as much as it's mindful of the circumstance tha t lead to the aayat, which gives it more clarity in it's intent than simple words alone. The problem is, the Quran isn't absolute without interpretation in regards to which sects hold different views. Do you know of the circumstance...

anajmi wrote:So tell me again, what did the prophet (saw) say in this hadith that is believed by everyone?

Perhaps not everyone, but it overlaps among different believers:

Hadith of the Two Weighty Things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_ ... hty_things

Now that is what I call selective interpretation. It isn't my view my friend. It is the ayah of the Quran. That is the problem over here. The Quran is being dismissed as being someone's view. Nothing more that I can say to fix that. It's not selective as much as it's mindful of the circumstance tha...

What concept? That the ahlul bayt are divine? or that the Ahlul Bayt are the Ahlul Bayt? Do you know anyone who is a part of your conceptual Ahlul Bayt alive today? If you do not, then how did the prophet leave the Ahlul Bayt with you? The concept that there's an Imam, whether in seclusion or not, ...

33's been mentioned rather thoroughly on this post, and while I'm more accustomed to the Rivaayat in regards to it's relevation that I learned, I won't denounce your view so much as consider it a difference in interpretation. Regardless, the wives of the Prophet are certainly of his family, and I p...

That's a fair (even if I don't agree) reply in regards to Ahl ul Bayt, but I'm quite accustomed to having that apply (Rasulallah's Ahl ul Bayt) for Imam's Hasan and Hussain as well, something that according to atleast Shia theology, they extended to their progeny. Why would that be an unfair assump...

anajmi, 1) Wait, so they're not Ahl ul Bayt? In that case, who is? 2) Considering the prophet said they're among the two precious things he'll leave behind, I assumed they held some significance. 3) I concede, that my reference to corrupt leaders is more in regards to apologists that pray RA after ...

I do not mean to get involved in this fight, but I am too curious in regards to your responses. God wants to say with this negative connotation that do not rely on another's intercession as he may not get Allah's permission to intercede. But the idiot's interpretation of this is that intercession i...

Bohra spring wrote:This principle goes 2 ways....both sides need to tolerate each others views whether they agree or disagree

The 'principle' just is (there are countless amount of 'sides'), and it applies to everyone.

It could, but it might not be all Quraan for him like many other people. The prophet left two precious things (thaqalayn) for Muslims. The Quraan and the Ahl ul Bayt. This hadith we can agree upon. Correct me if I'm wrong, you're more in tune with the Quraanic side of teachings, due to various reas...

Matter-of-fact also depends on the extent of one's interpretation, which is rather unique for each person even if they belong to a particular orthodoxy. Their matter-of-fact in belief is no less than your matter-of-fact in designation considering they both invoke the name of Allah, supported by dis...

anajmi wrote:Then the shia are mushrik.

According to your particular beliefs and specific interpretations, sure. As long as you're not speaking matter-of-factly on behalf of Allah.