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by porus
Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:34 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

The angels saw the corruption that humans would spread, but did they fail to see the sacrifice that the humans would make for the sake of mankind? Yes, like Wahhabis who blow themselves up also killing innocent Muslims in a great personal sacrifice for the betterment of Islam! No wonder angels fail...
by porus
Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:16 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

With the last few idiotic posts by porus, he proves once more that he may know the difference between lam and laa in Arabic but has no idea what an ayah of the Quran says. For a person who does not know the difference between lam and la in Arabic, your masquerade as a Great Authority on the Quran h...
by porus
Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:58 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

So I guess you've got it all wrong as far as the human panjatan is concerned right? Not only were they not infallible, but because of the fact that they have been created from the same dense material as other humans, they are just as corruptible!! Hey muttonhead, Panjatan, like Prophets, were prote...
by porus
Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:41 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

Right from Adam there are tons of prophets to whom Azazil diverted. Azazil is Shaytan. The only Prophet that Shaytan led astray was Adam. And that happened before Adam was Prophet and not on earth. All Prophets (on earth) since then were protected from being led astray by Shaytan who must have trie...
by porus
Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:05 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

In Surat al-ikhlas He says that He did not beget? Actually, he says that he does not beget. No, He actually says " لَمْ يَلِدْ " , which means "He did not beget". If He wanted to say "He does not beget", He would have said " لا يَلِدُ " That is a free Elementary Arabic lesson for you! Do notice the...
by porus
Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:28 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

This is so mind numbing. Read surah ikhlas. And this time read someone else"s translation. Your mind was numb long before I started this thread. You must think that I have never read Surat al-ikhlas. What a guy! (6:101) أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لَهُ وَلَدٌ وَلَمْ تَكُن لَّهُ صَاحِبَةٌ Did you notice how All...
by porus
Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:05 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

And yet, Allah Himself uses the argument that 'how could He Himself possibly have a son when He has no spouse"! Hmm. You do not need the panjatan to interpret this ayah for you unless you are completely blind. When people said Allah had a son, did they say so because of the power of Allah to say "B...
by porus
Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:57 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

Aren't those who heard Muhammad's interpretation first Hand reliable? Like Ibn Abbas? Of course they are. That is not my point. My point is about the credibility of reports of what has been so witnessed. There have been disagreements, as reported, among companions that were resolved by direct refer...
by porus
Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:21 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

Porus, one quick question. Do you think Quran is interpretable 1. by anybody ? or 2. by the Chosen ones only ? or 3. nobody at all (i.e. Quran is crystal clear on anything it says) ? Though the above interpretation of 076:001-004 you made it appear as a jest but someone else can make similar interp...
by porus
Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:49 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How we started to believe 13th Imam.
Replies: 23
Views: 3151

Re: How we started to believe 13th Imam.

Twelvers believe there 12 Imams. The 12th is alive and will appear. They cite a hadith of Rasulullah that there will be 12 Imams. Therefore, for them, there is no 13th. Ismailies and Bohras believe their 13th Imam was Imam Mansoor. Not some obscure misnamed Mehandi. I am not familiar wioth other lin...
by porus
Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:22 am
Forum: What is happening in your Jamat?
Topic: How we started to believe 13th Imam.
Replies: 4
Views: 1610

Re: How we started to believe 13th Imam.

yusuf78 wrote:My father is doing some kind of research on after Imam Mehandi,...
Mehandi, 13th Imam? Very ignorant question. Not worth discussing.
by porus
Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:20 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How we started to believe 13th Imam.
Replies: 23
Views: 3151

Re: How we started to believe 13th Imam.

yusuf78 wrote:My father is doing some kind of research on history after Imam Mehandi, (13th Imam?)
Irrelevant discussion on an extremely ignorant question. :roll:
by porus
Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:15 am
Forum: Dawoodi Bohra religion, rituals and customs
Topic: Dawoodi Bohra History & Doctrines
Replies: 17
Views: 5167

Re: Dawoodi Bohra History & Doctrines

You always find adherents of a one-sided view of history rubbish other views of it, calling them liars etc. I find a person more credible when he presents multiple views but does not come down on one side or another. And if he does, he mentions his reasons for doing so. On that score, Dr Poonawala h...
by porus
Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:10 pm
Forum: Here and Now
Topic: Syria
Replies: 124
Views: 41759

Re: Syria

Cui bono? Who benefits? The USA and its allies after oil grab. Israelis want to destroy civilization in all Arab States so that they can continue expansion of Israel to include Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and parts of Iraq. The Saudi and Arab Gulf Royal Families are too happy to let Americans plunder the...
by porus
Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:22 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Vegetarians and Islam
Replies: 5
Views: 1168

Re: Vegetarians and Islam

"If you eat meat, do not eat it more than once in forty days".
The advice from Ali is for all, Muslims and non-Muslims.
by porus
Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:16 am
Forum: Dawoodi Bohra religion, rituals and customs
Topic: Dawoodi Bohra History & Doctrines
Replies: 17
Views: 5167

Re: Dawoodi Bohra History & Doctrines

A personal but very informative view of the history Shia Islam, Fatimids and Bohras from a highly respected academic. The Youtube video has an 'Introduction' without picture. After the 'Introduction', we see Dr Ismail Poonawala talking for nearly 90 minutes. Dr Poonawala has translated Daaimul Islam...
by porus
Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:00 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Vegetarians and Islam
Replies: 5
Views: 1168

Re: Vegetarians and Islam

Tenets of Islam according to whom? Your question should be "Is the Quran against being a Vegetarian? or "Does the Quran force you to eat meat?" The answer is "NO" in both cases. There used to be a story circulating among Bohras in which Ali ibn Abi Talib is supposed to have said, "Eat meat at least ...
by porus
Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:43 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

Actually, there were eons of time before man was even a twinkle in God's mind. He says so Himself in 76:1. That means that while He was pleased with Himself for having created the Universe of lifeless things, He quickly got bored. He then created boring beings like angels and jinns to worship Him so...
by porus
Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:08 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Why Bohra's are not allowed to read Quran with translation
Replies: 46
Views: 11182

Re: WHY BOHRA'S ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ QURAN WITH TRANSLAT

Please don’t mind my naiveness. But may I know what does these mean or difference Tafseer ? Translations of Quran Transliteration of Quran Here is an example: Orginal: " إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ فِي لَيْلَةِ الْقَدْرِ (96:1) Transliteration in English: "inna anzalna-hu fi laylati_l-qadr" Translation: "W...
by porus
Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:32 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Why Bohra's are not allowed to read Quran with translation
Replies: 46
Views: 11182

Re: WHY BOHRA'S ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ QURAN WITH TRANSLAT

and can you prove that Wasi is a Superior Position ? No one, including the 21 Imams, has Ali's singular distinction and honor of being the Wasi of Prophet Muhammad. Muhammad described his and Ali's relation like that between Musa and Haroon. Another difference between Ali and Imams is that Fatima i...
by porus
Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:00 pm
Forum: Here and Now
Topic: Syria
Replies: 124
Views: 41759

Re: Syria

What a bloody mess? Don't you just love Muslims going about what they do best? Chop each other to kingdom come! These two charts summarize the Syria cauldron with imminent attack on Syria by the United States, Britain and France. Interesting to see that USA supports Syrian rebels who are also suppor...
by porus
Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:48 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Why Bohra's are not allowed to read Quran with translation
Replies: 46
Views: 11182

Re: WHY BOHRA'S ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ QURAN WITH TRANSLAT

below is a Bayan of the Mansoos read this :- His recent vaaz in Malindi on Sunday 25th Aug 2013 - received via whatsapp - unedited: - Quote - "Malindi no halwo gano fine chhe. Macchi gani chhe yaha to barabar haath farawi ne lejo. Bairawo nokri na kare. Muqadas Mowla ye je bayan Malindi ma farmawut...
by porus
Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:23 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Why Bohra's are not allowed to read Quran with translation
Replies: 46
Views: 11182

Re: WHY BOHRA'S ARE NOT ALLOWED TO READ QURAN WITH TRANSLAT

i think for dawoodi bohri also imam ali is the first imam you can go and read the Salaam Recited in the ziyarat of Ali ibne abu talib (a.s) published by dawoodi bohra's According to Bohras, Imam Hasan is the First Imam. You can readily count 21 Imams from Imam Hasan to Imam al-Tayyib. Ali is "Found...
by porus
Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:47 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

Wahhabis, here represented by anajmi and Muslim First, do not believe that anyone, including Prophets, is infallible. All references to Websites provided by Wahhabis which support this view are Wahhabi sites. Sunnis believe that all Prophets are infallible. Shias believe that all the Prophets and I...
by porus
Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:17 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

And this is what porus says Jinns have no intellect, no remorse and no sense of 'right and wrong'. Allah taught Adam 'names'. I interpret that to mean He gave him intellect. Did Allah also teach Jinns the 'names'? Adam repented (showed remorse). Name a Jinn who has done that. Adam repented because ...
by porus
Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:01 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

Quran states ahlul bayt are free from rijs, therefore infallible. Who are ahlul bayt? They are Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain. can you elaborate more on infallibility ? infallible in worldly matters or spiritual matters or both ? My conclusion is based on the ayat of Tatheer (33:33) and th...
by porus
Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:39 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

Can you identify circularity in that argument, Wahhabi Lite? I will do that for you. Identify circularity here. By that I mean from the point of view of logic Quran states ahlul bayt are free from rijs, therefore infallible. Who are ahlul bayt? They are Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husain. Why ...
by porus
Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:27 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

People like Mufti porus can deduce such things by circular arguments, half Quran Ayas and half hadithing. Wahhabi Lite, Do you even know what a 'circular argument' is? For your knowledge, all Muslims indulge in 'circular arguments', e.g. There is a God. Why do you say that? Because Quran says so. W...
by porus
Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:06 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: How did angels know man would be corrupt?
Replies: 129
Views: 15292

Re: How did angels know man would be corrupt?

my point is whose definition of "infallables" is this? There has bee a lot of discussion about 'infallibles' on this site. Let me summarize. Wahhabis, here represented by anajmi and Muslim First, do not believe that anyone is infallible. Sunnis believe that all Prophets are infallible. Shias believ...
by porus
Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:24 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Ways to make people aware of this Forum
Replies: 40
Views: 5900

Re: Ways to make people aware of this Forum

badrijanab wrote:Ulama in Youth (Progressives) community do not participate here. So who will answer the deenyaat queries?!!!
Perhaps you can answer them on their behalf as you appear to have access to them.