Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Couldnt the work of Imam Shah Karim (Aga Khan) through his AKDN and humanitarian institutions be interpreted as a 'rising'?

His efforts have been succesful in bettering the conditions of the world - isnt this a blessing?

Or is this so-called rising supposed to take place in one night?

Christianity was starte by Paul, not Peter.

It was Paul who said he had a vision of Jesus after his death.

Anajmi, you better get your facts straight..or risk further displaying your utter stupidity.

"Although Shias will deny this, but they believe that prophet hood was for Hazrat Ali but Jibrael (as) made a mistake. And I would know, I am a shia by birth."

- actualy, this is a rumour that was started by the Christian Crusaders, as stated in their accounts of Shia Islam. See, The Assassin ...

Maymun and Abdullah may have been running around from place to place, but they still met up with the Dais and dispensed knowledge.

Also, in those times, there was no chief Dai al-Mutaliq for the whole Ismaili community. Each Dai operated in a certain jurisdiction.

According to history, the ...

"During the time of the first satr of the Imam...the bab and hujjah were in seclusion with the Imam...thus there is precedent. The Dais of various jazirahs reported to the Imam respectively either physically or through ilham (visions)."

- This is not correct. During the Satr of Imam Ismail and ...

Prophet Muhammad as the Natiq was the originator of the Dawah.

Mawlana Ali, as the Asas of the Natiq, was the Base and Regent of the Dawah. Upon his demise, he transferred his authority to the Imams of his descent.

The Dawah must then be headed by the legitimate Ismaili Imam.

In this Imam's ...

Regarding the reading Khutba,

it is not that only Imam az Zaman can deliver Khutba, but it is due to the fact that the Bohra Imam is not manifest, that khutba is not read in any mosque.

In Fatimid mosques, khutba was read by ppl other than Imam of the Time. However, khutba was read in the name ...

Muslim First,

you and your clones are completely attached to the zahiri message of the Quran, but you have no perception of the batin, the hidden meanings, thus you have are not using your intellect as much as you should.

Idris Imamaddin - 19th Tayyibi Dai, wrote in Zahr al Maani, that Prophet Muhammad was a Mustawda Imam and Imam Ali was a Mustaqar Imam.

Here's another quote from Henry Corbin's studies on Ismailism, from his article, Cyclical Time and Ismaili Gnosis:

"In the person of Fatimda, the two ...

No, they are sources during the later Fatimid times. Obviously, there appears to be another point of view not in line with the Fatimid orthodoxy.

Another example is the ranks of the Natiq and Asas. Kirmani and Sijistani said that the Natiq corresponds to the Universal Intellect and the Asas ...

Currently, your community is led by a Dai-al Mutaliq. My question is, why are you not led by one of the higher ranks - like Bab, or Hujjah, which come directly that of the Imam. If i recall, during the concealment of Imam Ismail to Imam Mahdi, the community was led by Hujjahs of the Imam - Abdullah ...

Qiyam

My sources may selective, nevertheless they do provide a basis for the Nizari belief.

T"o selectively translate the word as "trustee" is very bad usage and argumentation. Every Imam is considered a trustee of the Ilm of Islam."

As for the usage of the term trustee, such a term or an ...

Bro Qiyam had mentioned that no Ismaili works supported the Nizari Ismaili belief that Imam Hassan was a Mustawda Imam and that Imam Husayn was the Mustaqar Imam. Further he said that such a belief came up only in the last 200 years. I have found the following quotes, from up to 800 years ago ...

Qiyam,

my disagreement is that in my opinion, the Natiq-i Rasul (ie: Muhammad) is NOT a Mustaqarr Imam. In Muhamamd's time, Ali was the Mustaqarr Imam, Muhammad and the rest of the Natiqs and their succeeding Nabis were Mustawda Imams, that is my opinion.

Also, regarding the issue of Aaron and ...

Well, Qiyam, Nizari Ismailism underwent a reformation during the later Alamut times, this reformation included the view of religous history also. Also remember that many Nizari texts have been destroyed, but this information is contained in Kalam e Pir, and in teachings by Nizari Imams ...

OK, let me see if i can piece this all together...

according to Simon:

Wasi is NOT the same as Mustaqarr Imam.
Mustaqarr is permanent Imam and goes by genealogy.
Aaron was NOT the Wasi of Moses, but Simon Peter was the Wasi of Jesus.

My question to you: If Aaron was NOT the Wasi, then why ...

Ok, so if Aaron was not a Mustaqarr Imam, but was the Wasi, then would any of his descendants be Imams who lead the community in the future?

Which authority is higher? Mustaqarr Imam or Wasi?

Is the Mustaqarr Imam the same thing as Wasi?
ie: Ismail was Wasi of Abraham and also Mustaqarr Imam

Regarding Imam-i Muqim, I have read that it was the Imam who trained the Natiq with spiritual teachings. ie: For Prophet Muhammad, it was Abu Talib who taught him the esoteric mysteries of Islam ...

Salaam,

I have a question regarding Ismaili/Bohra theology and religious history. I have undertaken a large study of Ismailism. I have researched the concepts of Natiq, Asas, Imam, Bab, Hujjah, Dai, etc.

Recently, I have come across the figure of
Imam-i-Muqim. This is the Imam responsible ...