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Learn this first before making stupid comments Qiyam,

In order to engage in an intellectual dialogue, without repurcussions from your God, it is imperative that you first take your head out of your ass. The stupid comments were quotes from your previous posts.

Your moronoic question Control ...

Qiyam,

You are lying and I have already exposed you before. For you new comers, here's how this interchange will end up (all real quotes from Qiyam regarding this topic) :

“The only time you need safai chitti (the letter of introduction...which is color coded) which if you get it is your raza ...

Ultimately, both forms of worship require the intermediary, be it syedna or the idol, to reach God

I agree. It has already been established that Bohra's worship Syedna and trust him to be the intermediary.

However, this thread is intended to highlight the fact that those who rightfully and ...

That response was very predictable and you chose to ignore my post.

My prediction was accurate, you were unable to show that this guy was correct without drawing from your own personal faith.

In other words, bias.

observing his religious beliefs correctly

According to whom ? I am sure the Dai would disagree with you, brother. This is the scary part about the various religious sects... this correctly bit.

Since religion is a matter of "faith" without proof, correct is a relative term, relative to your ...

Faith cannot be forced on any one it comes from within the heart.

I agree, therefore, the Misaq should not be necessary.

can u say that i will not follow the constitution of india & still want the citizen ship

You then acknowledge that the Bohra community is setup like a political entity ...

Do you see Taghoot in some of people Bohras worship?
Absolutely, it is a no-brainer.

Going back to my original question, of which acts being more harmful to all muslims in general.

Shirk applies only to joining other gods with Allah.

Then it also applies when Man takes into his own ...

Muslim First,

You need some time to study my question ?

I simply asked What is a more important and a deadly violation of religious beliefs to you ? The Dai, or what I have quoted above.

With all due respect I am appalled by that. It is evident that the solution is not to read more Islamic ...

November 2002 you asked of me,

Could you define Wahabism?

Then I will tell you whether I am Wahabi or not.
My answer,

It is my understanding that Wahabis are those that take the Quran literally, and a very rigid interpretation of the Quran and Hadith rules every aspect of their lives. My ...

A lot of what Jinx pointed is just that, tradition All religions and societies have traditions that dictate types of foods, etc.

To answer your question, yes I am also aware of Nazar Mukkaman money ($1.25 etc.), Taaviz, Dai's Picture, etc. being posted in certain places in a particular direction ...

In the long term, it is my opinion that the cause is better served if this site stays away from everything but the facts, as it appears to have thus far. The establishment will exploit any untruths "officially" posted here and convince the Orthodox members that lurk, that this is propaganda ...

Sajid,

I agree, but don't you think you are trivializing this tragedy by focusing on the political and not the religious aspect ?

When I heard of this, which country these Muslims came from was of little significance to me.

Sajid,

on what grounds you established the fact that terrorist came from across the boarder?
I am trying to understand your position on this matter. Do you have a problem with this inhuman act, or the fact that Pakistanis may have been involved ?

majority of Muslims condemns all such kind of ...

Again, a deafening silence from the so-called leaders of the Islamic world.

Such inhuman acts will continue until these murderers are tried in public and brought to justice. If justice is consistently applied to such acts, only then will the Islamic mindset change, maybe even over a generation ...

Khairan,

they can't win in open battle, so they attack from the shadows and hide again.
Yes the answer is obvious and I didn't expect you to answer it.

I was making a bigger point in that, if the Muslims intend to be effective in conventional warfare , and be a legitimate political body ...

Yasin,

Islam is a multi-facetted intertwined discipline. The love and fear of God, together with knowledge, combined with ones needs being met, in the whole prevents crime.
Islamic countries have the love and fear of God, where is the knowledge, and where are the needs being met ? Can you refer ...

Appreciate the clarification... makes sense....

There is not univsersal right, it is a relative term.

Have never heard of Bal, and since your posts espouse the Muslims are victims doctrine, he must be speaking to you.

Cheers.

Khairan,

I just deleted a lenghty response to your post. As I read your posts I agree with you more than you might think.

If you think I am demonizing Muslims, I am obviously not. There is enough blame to go around. However, I strongly support democracy and capitalism and I am against ...

Khairan,

You are missing an important point as the other Utopians ( thank you Muddai). If Islam can be indicted for the actions of its followers, than so too can democracy and capitalism A Democracy does not have followers it has participants , and since we do not live in a pefect world, everyone ...

You have no idea of the pain in hell

You obviously do Taaweel, so tell us, what is it really like ?

I mean, from your personal experience.

Humsafar,

Generally I am in agreement with some of what you are saying. I think Muslims are too quick to demonize the US when it scares me to even think of an Islamic Empire . One should not underestimate the propaganda of Western media and its paid intellectual class.
True, and one must not ...

Iraq was also solidly backed by America during this war. In fact, I believe that the only times Saddam Hussein has ever used is vaunted Weapons of Mass Destruction is when he was allied with the US. Your point is that it absolves Saddam of all blame ? The US like all political leaderships exploits ...

It is good enough for me!!
Based on which fact ?

What matters is whether what you are doing is right or wrong (unprovoked or not) A dangerous statement unless there is a universal "right".

American actions in Iraq resulted in the deaths of more than a million Iraqis
It is time you guys ...

Humsafar,

I appreciate the offer, but I would not expect you to do my research for me. Mohd. Hussain's quote above from Mr. Engineer gives me more insight than the web site on his position.It is the same canned answer as the other leader's (most "so-called") answers.

There is mention about Hur ...

Qiyam is correct.

Having re-read the apology several times over, he apologizes for hurting people with his statement, but not his statement. Legally speaking.....

Just as Bill Clinton's response "depends on what the meaning of is is " or " I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman ...

Humsafar,

You are right, that statement is unfair. However all the questions on my original post are not addressed on the web site.

I am aware of some fully functional jamaats in major cities. As I say that I also realize the complexity of addressing the needs of a few progressives (if any ...

You apologize when you are wrong, and you never apologize for speaking the truth.That's how I was raised in an orthodox Bohri family.

Qiyam, how were you raised ?

Sajid,

You have outlined the very reasons that the Reformist Jamaat (RJ) has been a non-issue. I am dissapointed that Mr. Engineer did not respond to the question directly.

It is easy enough being against something, it is much harder to offer an alternative.

RJ does not offer an alternative.

A family member went through this process and was quite painless. The razaa took quite a while though. He had to take the misaaq, but here are two things to be prepared for which came as a surprise. First, his name was changed without his prior knowledge even though he has an acceptable Bohra name ...