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by level_headed
Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:19 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: The True Imam - How would you verify?
Replies: 1032
Views: 77568

Re: The True Imam - How would you verify?

anajmi - your ignorance in the matter of compilation of the quran in the time of Uthman is mind numbing. Sunnis and Shias agree that the Quran was made up of verses and not in any order. Uthman ordered the compilation into one text and ordered all the other copies burnt. If the Quran was verses in o...
by level_headed
Mon May 07, 2012 2:31 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan
Replies: 155
Views: 11015

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Prophet(SAW) was describing the day of resurrection where a group of people would be brought close to him. He would recognize them as his sahabas and they would be led to the fire. When the Prophet would ask that they were his sahabas and what wrong did they do. He would be told that they turned re...
by level_headed
Sun May 06, 2012 3:27 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan
Replies: 155
Views: 11015

Re: Humsafar bhai & Reformist bhaiyon nu imtihaan

Prophet(SAW) was describing the day of resurrection where a group of people would be brought close to him. He would recognize them as his sahabas and they would be led to the fire. When the Prophet would ask that they were his sahabas and what wrong did they do. He would be told that they turned ren...
by level_headed
Wed May 02, 2012 3:17 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Who is the most qualified progressive cleric?
Replies: 156
Views: 9684

Re: Who is the most qualified progressive cleric?

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا نَاجَيْتُمُ الرَّسُولَ فَقَدِّمُوا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ نَجْوَاكُمْ صَدَقَةً ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ وَأَطْهَرُ فَإِن لَّمْ تَجِدُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo itha najaytumu alrrasoola faqaddimoo bayna yaday najwakum sadaqatan thalika kh...
by level_headed
Wed May 02, 2012 1:32 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Who is the most qualified progressive cleric?
Replies: 156
Views: 9684

Re: Who is the most qualified progressive cleric?

Fateh -- you said "As you told about walayat to bhai what are the parameters to measure the true walayat?,fat najawa,? no of feet kissing ?,please guide me" You are right. One of the parameters of walayat is najwa. Maulana Ali was the first person who obeyed Allah's command to present najwa to the P...
by level_headed
Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:23 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate
Replies: 116
Views: 5928

Re: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate

I also forgot to post about Imam Hasan's burial and his wish to be buried near the Prophet. When Imam Husain tried to bury him there, Ayesha came on a mule and prevented the burial. Per Imam Hasan's will(that if adversaries stop from burying near the Prophets grave) , Imam Husain buried him at Baqi ...
by level_headed
Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:09 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate
Replies: 116
Views: 5928

Re: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate

Wilfred Madelung : succession to Mohammad. Look up the battle of the camel
by level_headed
Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:06 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate
Replies: 116
Views: 5928

Re: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate

You neatly sidestepped the issue of her leaving Madina at the head of the army. Climbing on top of a camel and exhorting her soldiers to fight against Maula Ali's army. Her actions reminds us of another lady who was exhorting her soldiers to fight in Uhud. If she was found like this by Saudi mutawas...
by level_headed
Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:40 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate
Replies: 116
Views: 5928

Re: An Islamic Treatise on the Necessity of the Imamate

MF wrote No. Prophet's grave is not in Prophet’s Masjid. Prophet was buried in Bibi Aisha's qurter (room) where he died. Some of Prophet's wives lived in rooms next to Masjid. Hz Abu Bakr and Umar were also buried in same room. Bibi Aisha lived in small part of that room after prophet;s death. She g...
by level_headed
Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:52 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Is this for real?
Replies: 9
Views: 1246

Re: Is this for real?

SBM - when Mufaddal Maula says that agar koyee ne jaman jamaaro to andar si dua niklij jaaye chhe, kayee sochvu bhi nathi partu, dua niklij jaaye chhe. Go on a long train journey and when somebody gives you warm home cooked food, andar thi dua niklij jaaye chhe. I have experienced this multiple time...
by level_headed
Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:27 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: FOR ADAM
Replies: 52
Views: 2857

Re: FOR ADAM

taraweeh is not a nafil prayer - it is an imam led prayer . The Prophet had specified which are the imamat led prayers. Umar created a new imam led prayer.
by level_headed
Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:25 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: FOR ADAM
Replies: 52
Views: 2857

Re: FOR ADAM

Show me in the shariat where hunting is not allowed.
by level_headed
Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:47 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

But can you prove that he stopped hunting after that
by level_headed
Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:45 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: FOR ADAM
Replies: 52
Views: 2857

Re: FOR ADAM

Stop declaring victory. We(Dawoodi Bohras) believe that the zamaan na saheb can and is allowed to introduce new rasams as long as it does not go against the shariat.
This is where Sunni's flounder - they believe no bidats are allowed per se. But they and their leaders themselves have allowed bidats
by level_headed
Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:46 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: FOR ADAM
Replies: 52
Views: 2857

Re: FOR ADAM

Yeh kya keh daala MF bhai -
1. Abu Bakr to gaya jahnnam mein kyon ke zakaat na dene par aap kisi ki jaan nahin le sakte ho na unpar jihad kar sakte ho, yeh bidat bhi Abu Bakr laya tha
2. Umar to phir gaya jahannam mein kyun ke Taraawi bhi to bidat hai
by level_headed
Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:36 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: FOR ADAM
Replies: 52
Views: 2857

Re: FOR ADAM

Would the true Imam who will reappear is from the Progeny of Ahlul Bayat? Is current Dai the progeny of Ahlul Bayt? Which Dai of Bohra sects are the true PROGENY of Ahlul Bayt. is is Dawoodi, Sulemani,Alavi or Yamani Bohras? When did the Rasm of Wadahwo started? Was it after Raja Bharmal and Tarmal...
by level_headed
Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:41 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

anajmi - search and you shall find :) This is from a google search with same key words http://www.icfbayarea.org/www.icfbayarea.org/files/YCNotes/Lessons_From_The_Lives_Of_Those_Who_Went_Astray/Lesson_5_Abu_Jahl_Part2.pdf When Hamza heard of this abuse, he just could not take that his nephew was bei...
by level_headed
Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:32 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

Check Wikipedia. Do a google search on "Hamza lion hunter". You will find many hits. Check the movie 'The Message" - there is reference to Maulana Hamza (Anthony Quinn) mentioning hunting of lions. Can you also post from Quran or authentic hadeeth that hunting is disallowed. I have read the other po...
by level_headed
Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:37 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

Anajmi - can you please quote a hadith, which mentions that Maulana Hamza gave up hunting after coming to Islam.
by level_headed
Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:32 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

humanbeing, - Maulana Hamza hunted lions.
by level_headed
Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:16 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

Here is some information on Jafar Laeen's fitnat. Very surprised that you have not heard anything on him Vaali-ul-Hind Moulai Hasan Bin Moulai Adam (Q.S.) Wafat : 29th Moharram 883 AH. Moulai Hasan Husamuddin(Q.S) became the Vaali after His father Moulai Adam (Q.S). He strived hard for the cause of ...
by level_headed
Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:13 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

Walaayat of accepting Zamaan na saheb is correct, if Zamaan na saheb is living by Islamic principles Who are you to judge - whether the zamaan na saheb is living by Islamic principles or not. Are you that much deeply rooted in ilm that you can figure it out. For example, you are throwing Hunting of...
by level_headed
Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:36 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Al Zulfiqar ?
Replies: 47
Views: 2765

Re: Al Zulfiqar ?

Arrey Adam bhai - tamey aa niraala shaan na saheb Syedi Al Zulfiqar Saheb Ramsayuddin ne nathi pehchaanta. ghani niraali shaan chhe. Ghani vaar herat thaaye chhe ke Proggie movement na leader Ahmek Ali Raj yeh aa niraala shaan na saheb par nas kem nathi kidhi. He deserved the nas but was bypassed - ...
by level_headed
Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:46 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

Humanbeing - Your 'asal' is corrupted. 'Asal' is walayat. Let me explain why. You say that "Maula Ali preserved deen of Islam by his virtuous conduct and adherence to Islamic Principles, he refrained from fighting for power and sacrificed beyond tolerance to keep Muslim Ummah united." But he did bat...
by level_headed
Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:20 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

The reason why I highlighted your quotes was because you said that "Abu bakr being associate friend of Prophet" "If prophet Muhammad had objection with Abu Bakr, why did he consider him as his friend at all and allow him other Islamic leadership rights" - this is why I mention that you are observing...
by level_headed
Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:07 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

Humanbeing - This is found among mainstream Muslims too. Abu Bakr was removed by the Prophet and not by Bilal. My contention is that even in times of the Prophet(PBUH) there was the concept of raza to lead prayers. Since the raza did not come from the Prophet but was given by Ayesha, the Prophet him...
by level_headed
Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:27 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
Replies: 1290
Views: 200819

Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION

Adam bhai - please do not get into any debates with Syedi Al Zulfikar bhai Ramsay. He is in a league of his own. Su ehni mawaali oops niraali shaan chhe. Ketli profound vaato karey chhe. He is beyond you. wah bhai waah Ramsay bhai. Bahut dino se koyee nayee dhamaakedaar story nahin hain. Ramsay bhai...
by level_headed
Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:04 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below
Replies: 104
Views: 8671

Re: Inviting young Bohris 35 years and below

humanbeing, You claim (correctly) to observe people quite a lot when you go to the Bohra gatherings. I think you spend too much time in observing the folks around you but do not spend too much time or do not listen attentively. My reasoning - not praying behind Sunnis or anybody without raza - you d...
by level_headed
Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:03 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Ziyafats
Replies: 398
Views: 80612

Re: Ziyafats

Al Zulfikar Bhaisaheb Ramsay - aapki baaton mein dum hai, kyaa profound baatein kartey hain
Su Niraali Shaan chhe aapni
by level_headed
Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:08 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Ziarat Of The Dai's Daughter at Charni Road, Mumbai.
Replies: 39
Views: 5441

Re: Ziarat Of The Dai's Daughter at Charni Road, Mumbai.

Very profound thoughts Syedi Al Zulfikar BS Ramsay .
Su tamaari niraali shaan chhe