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by Sceptical
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:05 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Dated science in Dawat Books
Replies: 23
Views: 3948

Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

Arab and persian scientists were among the best of their time. Imam Hakim (AS) was one of the first muslim caliph to build an astronomy observatory (11th century) regarding the mathematical precision of the Fatimid Calendar, I really doubt that they thought that Earth was the center of the universe....
by Sceptical
Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:17 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2928
Views: 635768

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

Adam wrote:
Simple. Go back to Rasulullah's time. 1, 2, 3 were kept in VERY high positions. And Rasulullah knew very well they were wrong.
Same statement is valid for all hudood, including Mukasir and Shehzada... :D
by Sceptical
Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:11 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2928
Views: 635768

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

Qutbi or not, Mazoon is higher rutbah than Mukasir. Period.
by Sceptical
Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:52 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2928
Views: 635768

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

Do you forget the hindu guy who came to Masjid during Khtamul Quran majlis to declare SMS Dai?
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:03 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2928
Views: 635768

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

Adam has more knowledge than the Dai itself... :roll:
as usual, no solid reference...
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:55 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 1215
Views: 280359

Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

Catholic Church is 2000 years old and through periods of worse problems than ours. It took thousands years to have a Pope like Francis. We are living the same black period they had during the 14th and 15th century : corrupt popes and clergy, schisms, bloody war, ... and all in the name of Nabi Isa ...
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:11 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Disconnected Ismaili History - for those who seek knowledge
Replies: 68
Views: 7019

Re: Disconnected Ismaili History - for those who seek knowle

There is a second version : Ismail AS death was staged by his Father to protect him. Ismail AS died after his father. Nass cannot be retracted. An Imam is born Imam. Ja'far Imam AS did nass upon Ismail AS. So Ismail AS is Imam and imamat should remain in his lineage. He died before or after his fath...
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:03 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 1215
Views: 280359

Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? ISNT IT A SHAME FOR A PERSON WHO CALLS HIMSELF REPRESENTATIVE OF IMAM ALI(S)? http://time.com/3594846/pope-francis-fiat-raffle-charity/ Catholic Church is 2000 years old and through periods of worse problems than ours. It took thousands years to have a Pope like Francis. We ...
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:23 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 362
Views: 90332

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

I was talking about music. Do not change the subject.
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:30 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 362
Views: 90332

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

and during Fatimid Imam reign in Misr, there were banquets and festivities where music was allowed.
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:27 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 362
Views: 90332

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

there are no ayat in Quran where music is forbidden. The hadiths are reported out of context. Besides, I do not know their authenticity. In fact, as far as i know, only the lyre was banned by the Prophet SWT since in pre-Islamic arabic society, this instrument was supposed to keep away evil spirits....
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:05 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 362
Views: 90332

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

Post a hadith where Rasulalallah SWT had forbidden music and celebrate birthday. Post a kalam where Ali AS had forbidden music and celebrate birthday. Post a kalam where one of our Fatemi Imam AS had forbidden music and celebrate birthday. action is bigger than kalaam, can you post any incident in ...
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:02 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 362
Views: 90332

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

Music is forbidden too in Islam? Rasulullah played music and recommended it? can you please post that hadith please? if that exists? Post a hadith where Rasulalallah SWT had forbidden music and celebrate birthday. Post a kalam where Ali AS had forbidden music and celebrate birthday. Post a kalam wh...
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:15 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 362
Views: 90332

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

lawgraduate wrote:today band baja tomorrow hathi ghoda and then the evil cycle of show off will continue....
Music is forbidden too in Islam?
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:40 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015
Replies: 362
Views: 90332

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

There is not a single instance when ahlul bayt celebrated birthdays with dhol tamasha and band baja, I understand this is occasion of khushi for his followers, but there are many ways to keep it low profile and make it more Islamic. more Islamic? what is more Islamic? Is it forbidden to celebrate a...
by Sceptical
Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:50 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

The Alavi belief (and website), and Syedna Taher Saifuddin's court case both confirm the same. (Ref: Court Case of 1928) Ali bin Ibrahim WAS the Mazoon. The two sects differ as follows - Dawoodi Bohras say he was the Mazoon and then removed, and then turned bad. - Alavi Bohras say he was the Mazoon...
by Sceptical
Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:03 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

How does the fact of KQ being mazoon negate the fact of Ali bin ibrahim being mazoon and then removed? Immature logic. Maybe your Imam Adid will help you. You misunderstand as usual. It's your immature logic : 1) KQ mazoon and Ali ibn Ibrahim removed from mazoon rutbah are two differents points. 2)...
by Sceptical
Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:30 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

Adam, you are lying as usual hiding behind 1 or 2 so called references. Please give us precise reference.
Read Alavi version on their website.

Fact = Kq was SMB mazoon until his demise. Period.
by Sceptical
Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:16 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC
Replies: 34
Views: 6159

Re: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC

araz5253 wrote:he was a pure and true Muslim atleast tried to be
so what is pure Muslim ?
Auranzeb and like your other Wahabi friends : intolerance towards other religion? decapitate your opposants because they are Shia? is this true Islam for you?
by Sceptical
Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:37 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC
Replies: 34
Views: 6159

Re: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC

And actually it proves that none of the dawedars were true nor recieved any "taed" from Imam,, they were making things up to fool the poor gullible bohras. Untill a Jafarbhai came and reformed most of the bohras to Sunni Islam. Actually this goes ever earlier , as even the so called later Imams wer...
by Sceptical
Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:28 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC
Replies: 34
Views: 6159

Re: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC

See the book jonah blank he has also recorded that dawood travelled to delhi to get himself declared as dai and akbar prefered an Indian rather than a yemeni based. JOnah is clear on this. wrong. wrong and wrong. :shock: :shock: 1) travel : Jonah Blank wrote about 26th Dai Syedna Dawood bin Ajab sh...
by Sceptical
Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:50 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC
Replies: 34
Views: 6159

Re: Unique case: From Akbar’s court in 1591 to Bombay HC

A spat broke out between the two claimants and a case was filed at the Royal Court of Akbar by the claimant Dawood travelling all the way to Delhi from Gujarat while Sulaiman stayed put in Gujarat :roll: Syedna Dawood Qutubshah RA didn't travel. Instead, he remained even hidden for years from his e...
by Sceptical
Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:04 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

Adam, read Alavi version :
http://www.alavibohra.org/haqqaaniyat%2 ... ss.htm#two
Even Alavi do not attribute such words to STS(RA)
by Sceptical
Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:23 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

Adam wrote: Wrong. Ai Bin Ibrahim was the Mazoon.
Syedna Taher Saifuddin already confirmed this. It's his version not the "Alavi version".
where? any reference?

IF Ali bin Ibrahim hold Mazoon position, as you said "he was removed from post of Mazoon".
SMB(ra) never removed SKQ from Mazoon rutba.
by Sceptical
Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:53 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015
Replies: 1241
Views: 297003

Re: Bohra SMS Duniya - 2015

Muffadali Army!! Why would a leader of a peace loving community in the 21st century ever need an Army. I am sure French as well as European Intelligence would love to have a look at this indoctrination specially in the light of sleeping cells of ISIL in Europe I heard that this was done with the au...
by Sceptical
Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:27 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015
Replies: 1241
Views: 297003

Re: Bohra SMS Duniya - 2015

Sabar wrote:Muffadali Army!!
Why would a leader of a peace loving community in the 21st century ever need an Army.
Is it authorized in France?


Malek-Asthar is the new vizir of Fatimid Empire :wink:
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by Sceptical
Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:18 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

The word Mansoos was added by Moula (RA) after the Nass e Jali, not for 50 years because Mansoos were not announced till that time. Be better informed and dont get your information from fake websites. ... About Hikmat , It is and has been a part of history. similar to how Rasulullah (SAW) kept 1,2 ...
by Sceptical
Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:02 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

Rightlyguided, waiting your answer. Why "mansoos" was added since nass drama if Missaq is just for Dai-Mutlaq? Why SMB(RA) said that acceptance of the rutbah (Dai and his zaredast Mazoon and Mukasir ) during Satr is necessary ? You guys had twisted and reduced Mazoon/Mukasir rutbah to some kind of s...
by Sceptical
Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:46 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment
Replies: 240
Views: 53841

Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

I 've never claimed that Mazoon = Dai. Faiz from Imam is for Dai, we all know it. I'm just saying that missaq during Satr is for the 3 rutbah with their respective names : Dai-al Mutlaq, Mazoon and Mukasir. Period. Hope it goes through to your confused head. Burahunndin Mola (RA) himself said during...