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by AgnosticIndian
Sat May 10, 2014 9:22 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: The state of Bohras today
Replies: 176
Views: 27307

Re: law against misuse of faith

Law is there but then you will not be able to stop the social boycott. Social boycott is what scares people
by AgnosticIndian
Sat May 10, 2014 5:35 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Forcing Bohras to keep beard (dari)
Replies: 141
Views: 9178

Re: Forcing Bohras to keep beard (dari)

AgnosticIndia wrote: "I hate all forms of religion. Its nothing but a tool to divide people. Waste of time and energy." So why are you here??? Coz I can't run away from my history or the society I am in. Religion is a personal matter. I keep to it. But I remain a Societal or Cultural Bohra. My folk...
by AgnosticIndian
Sat May 10, 2014 1:07 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Forcing Bohras to keep beard (dari)
Replies: 141
Views: 9178

Re: Forcing Bohras to keep beard (dari)

You may not to want to say goodbye, however, you may want to bring change in the system. Ask them what about my Khushi? Only you can make yourself happy and no one else can. So create an impact with like minded people. I am sure you are not alone wherever you are, there must be people with whom you...
by AgnosticIndian
Fri May 09, 2014 4:09 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: How to do Mola ma araz?
Replies: 31
Views: 8750

Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

bohrabai wrote:My purpose was to use anonymous araz as a tool to expose bohra clergy.
Haha they won't entertain.
by AgnosticIndian
Fri May 09, 2014 4:07 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Forcing Bohras to keep beard (dari)
Replies: 141
Views: 9178

Re: Forcing Bohras to keep beard (dari)

Everything in our religion is for the Khushi of someone else. That Khushi is read as orders to be enforced. When will my own Khushi, will and wish matter?

When it all became too unbearable, I said goodbye!!

But my mom never stops asking me to keep a beard.
by AgnosticIndian
Fri May 09, 2014 3:56 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Large scale shuffle of Aamils?
Replies: 8
Views: 2258

Re: Large scale shuffle of Aamils?

There are two Aamils in my city. The second appointed only last year after years of "demand" much to the chagrin of the older well entrenched Aamil. He had tried to scuttle the move but failed. Then he humiliated him in every manner or at every opportunity. We heard that the first order was for this...
by AgnosticIndian
Thu May 08, 2014 2:09 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Large scale shuffle of Aamils?
Replies: 8
Views: 2258

Large scale shuffle of Aamils?

Heard that there is a churn in the Aamils postings. My area guy has got his marching order.

Is the news correct? Over 100 shifted around.
by AgnosticIndian
Wed May 07, 2014 10:43 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: How to do Mola ma araz?
Replies: 31
Views: 8750

Re: How to do Mola ma araz?

Which Moula?? There are two contenders
by AgnosticIndian
Wed May 07, 2014 1:02 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

^^ It will be relatively easier for the ones in foreign lands especially US,UK to dump MS & join KQ. They are not economically linked with other Bohris as in India. Not so easy. The economic aspect is not the only problem. There is also the social boycott, denial of access to the masjid, ceremonies...
by AgnosticIndian
Wed May 07, 2014 12:51 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

^^ It will be relatively easier for the ones in foreign lands especially US,UK to dump MS & join KQ. They are not economically linked with other Bohris as in India. As most Bohris are traders depended on fellow Bohris in the market, its difficult to make the choice in the face of boycott. The ones i...
by AgnosticIndian
Tue May 06, 2014 3:15 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Kothar under screening in Saudi Arabia. Muffy Cancels Umra
Replies: 21
Views: 5663

Re: Kothar under screening in Saudi Arabia. Muffy Cancels Um

I hope and pray that somebody will submit the misaq document to the Saudi Govt, so they can see the in-humane conditions the momineen live in. Total submission and total slavery. we have to submit to such harsh conditions at the tender age of 14-15 years of age. A misaq is required that is un-denia...
by AgnosticIndian
Tue May 06, 2014 2:23 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

^^ Muffy & gang have a criminal mind. They got signatures of ppl from all over right after the death of SMB. If popular choice is going to decide Dai, what will poor Imam do? But the judge asking questions that seem to be favoring Muffy is suspicious. It is making the plaintiff sound like the defend...
by AgnosticIndian
Sun May 04, 2014 3:39 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)
Replies: 2529
Views: 443029

Re: what you wanted and what did you get

Why open another thread on this?
by AgnosticIndian
Sun May 04, 2014 3:37 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra SMS Duniya
Replies: 2710
Views: 482918

Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

What's with this every message on MS containing Mufaddal Moula to Mufaddal Moulaj chhe?

Everything he does is ajab shaan?
by AgnosticIndian
Fri May 02, 2014 1:04 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

Assalam alekum to all the members. May Allah's mercy be on each one of you. Hi, I am Ummul Bani from Bangalore, India. Today is my first day on this forum and I want to thank the admin for accepting my registration. I happened to come across this forum while browsing and ended up following it a bit...
by AgnosticIndian
Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:46 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Alavi dai also pays homage visiting modi
Replies: 2
Views: 671

Re: Alavi dai also pays homage visiting modi

So hat if a Dai meets the PM in waiting of India? There was no problem when Manmohan Singh was warmly received by SMB.
by AgnosticIndian
Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:16 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

I cannot believe that with eminent Jurist in KQ camp, the case will be out up weak.

Anyways this case will go for a long time. I already see it go to the Supreme Court
by AgnosticIndian
Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:55 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

Just Rcvd.......................... Abdul gavi ye judge ne em kidu ke aa logo hamne RAUDAT TAHERA . SAIFI MASJID. SAIFI MAHAL nai aava deta . To judge ye ehne kahyu ke ye maru look out nathi. Ye tamara community ni waat che . Tame je case kidu che ehna vaste mane teen (3) proof joyye che: 1-tamara ...
by AgnosticIndian
Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:15 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra SMS Duniya
Replies: 2710
Views: 482918

Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

Bad dua is the flavor of the month
by AgnosticIndian
Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:10 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

Case Update... Matter adjourned to 16th June 2014 . No ad interim reliefs have been granted at this stage . Ad interim will be considered on the same day of the final hearing on 16th June. Since to injunction yet till matter is taken up on 16th May, its Fateh Mubeen for MS! :D By the way what was t...
by AgnosticIndian
Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:50 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

Hahaha message from ITS
Aawti kaale 11 AM (IST) si 1PM (IST) lag sagla mumineen doa parhwaama
tasbeeh karwaama mashghool rahe.Jaha mazaar hoi waha mumineen ziarat
waaste haazir thaai.
No reason posted for going this but I think its because there is the hearing today.
by AgnosticIndian
Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:36 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Riwayat which bothers me almost every day
Replies: 25
Views: 3261

Re: Riwayat which bothers me almost every day

Dawat was in debt for a long time till 40 odd dais IIRC. Debt to whom remains a question. If the debt was owned to any DB, and if the Misaq was there back then, then the Dai could have called upon to pledge it all in the "Khidmat" of Dawat. So it all makes no sense. Where things don't make sense, th...
by AgnosticIndian
Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:50 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)
Replies: 2529
Views: 443029

Re: why are we turning a blind eye on what our Mazoon has to

Well the thing is as most "reformists" like the "agenda" set by KQ so many gravitating towards him. But the thing is, he is seeking the post, the legacy and inheritance of SMB. When I say inheritance, I mean the systems set in place by SMB apart from all the trusts and wakfs etc. Now if KQ is on a "...
by AgnosticIndian
Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:52 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)
Replies: 2529
Views: 443029

Re: why are we turning a blind eye on what our Mazoon has to

Well I've moved on from all religious things as my name suggests but cannot run away from roots or history. As I've said in the past, as a "neutral" I am more inclined to believe KQ than MS. That's based on evidence at hand and also knowing a but about faith and history that I have managed to learn ...
by AgnosticIndian
Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:44 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra SMS Duniya
Replies: 2710
Views: 482918

Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

Aahe ghanu niralu manzar hatu. Jamnagar ma 1 momin bhai moula ne ziyzfat aapvanu naseeb thayu.moula te bhai ne kahe che ke tame su kaam karo cho.bhai e jawab aapo ke moulahamali karu chu. Niyat hati ke burhanuddin moula ne ziyafat aapu. Pan naseeb naa thay. Te waqt thi hu rupiya jama karto hato. Mo...
by AgnosticIndian
Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:35 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: An open letter To Justice Ahmadi
Replies: 14
Views: 2525

Re: An open letter To Justice Ahmadi

Bhai true_bohra- If Dai's signature and letter could be forged 400 years ago by Suleman LA, how can one be sure? Matter of Life and Death, Haq and Baatil after all? And why not use the science available today? Why not present it for verification? Perhaps that is inevitable if push comes to shove......
by AgnosticIndian
Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:31 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: An open letter To Justice Ahmadi
Replies: 14
Views: 2525

Re: An open letter To Justice Ahmadi

MS will never compromise because of his 'claim' ........ KQ may come to terms in the larger interests of the community (and may be for himself). It is NOW the time to 'reform' the office of the Dai. There should be a new beginning from 53rd and starting point should be reform and public apology on ...
by AgnosticIndian
Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:01 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: An open letter To Justice Ahmadi
Replies: 14
Views: 2525

Re: An open letter To Justice Ahmadi

No mediation outside the court will work. KQ had asked for a discussion but the position on the side of MS is that there can be no discussion on the question of Nass. These guys are not even commenting on the court proceedings to the media.

KQ was forces to go legal and wasn't his first choice
by AgnosticIndian
Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:05 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
Replies: 2215
Views: 348122

Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

The cock and bull story that every Zadas have given with suffering versions is a case of over zealousness and assumed that all Bohris are fools and will cry out loud and lap it up. Well yeah majority Bohris are fools when it comes to "Moula" and will not question anything, there are a few who will. ...
by AgnosticIndian
Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:46 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court
Replies: 2428
Views: 535261

Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

Shah bano case was political in nature. Rajiv Gandhi did that to protect his Muslim vote bank. The furore that the legislation overturning SC order was abuse of majority in Parl by Rajiv, led to him then opening the gates of Babri Masjid for Shilanyas. This shah bano incident was the tipping point f...