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There is no one Islamic Salat. There is Salat. Each Tariqah has has its own take/interpretation on how to offer prayers.

As for where to face during prayers:

To ALLAH belongs the East and the West; so whithersoever you turn, there will be the face of ALLAH … (2:115)

You see Ismailis faith ...

Agakhani Ismailis recite "Du'a" instead of the Islamic Salat, facing any direction, in their Jamatkhanas.

There is no one Islamic Salat. There is Salat. Each Tariqah has has its own take/interpretation on how to offer prayers.

As for where to face during prayers:

To ALLAH belongs the East ...

Interesting. A non Bahai masquerading anti-Bahai site with Bahai affiliate sounding site names. A very clever and crafty approach. Many use this technique, it is like putting out honey pot to attract flies.

Couple of interesting tid bits from one article of the site:

At the outset, since the ...

For the one who keeps saying ' I am ok with them as long as they do not use violence', what about other Tariqahs who are currently using violence and are a disgrace to humanity let alone the legacy of Holy Prophet (pbuh). Is violence part and parcel of the so called pure Islam (Wahabbi, Salafi, ISIS ...

One thing has sure come to the light that the self-proclaimed Atheist is definitely no Atheist because it is evident he has very strong feelings (fetishes???) about how certain people should act or not act.

Cool down guys.

This faith thing is very personal that is why even members of a single Tariqah have difference of opinions let alone people from different Tariqahs. (Or someone from 'No Tariqah' ).

Fayyaz:

You are a sick man and WOT. Waste of Time. I do not have to show you anything if you are BLIND! Get your eyes checked.
Fayyaz
Some one who is Atheist and does not believe any religion You are asking too many questions.
Now prove you are an Athesit

Javed kudos to you for unmasking yet ...

Beliefs are fetishes. They are desires for somethings to be so. Religious beliefs in particular are like childhood fetishes. They are desires to remain attached to infantile indoctrination which is very attractive because it offers security in an imagined paradise of childhood.


But you too have ...

Ahle Sunnah are stuck in 1400 years old traditions. Some of them are very anachronistic.

Only Prophet and Allah can change 5 founding principle of Islam. If you change it then it Is Bidah (Innovation) and forbidden in Islam.
Salat and fast is no burden. I even pray in Public.

After Holy Prophet ...

You will find all kinds of denominations praying in Makkah and Madinah. You do not wait to be invited there.

To clarify, azaan is a call to prayer heard five times a day in all masjids (not sure about Jamatkhanas). It is in fact an invitation to prayer for all Muslims.

It is not true that all ...

JavedhJuma,

I believe you. You have pictures of Aga Khan leading prayer. Was this a one-time event for publicity or does the picture show the normal way of Ismailies praying? I am at a loss to understand why you cannot show me video of Aga Khan praying daily today and not just a picture from 2 ...

Ahle Sunnah have to keep performing prayers and other rituals in the same way as they were being performed 1400 years ago because they chose not follow Imams

Actually there is no order in Quran to follow heridatory Imam from prophet's progeny and Prophet did not clearly appoint Ali as next leader ...

While Muslims differ in minor ways in their prayers, they all follow qiyam, ruku, sujood and juloos reciting tashahud and ending with Salaam.

These are outward forms of the salat. The real substance of the salat is in what is recited (surahs, ayats, supplications, durud etc) as part of it ...

Please re-read Javed's long post on the subject in this thread. Javed's post has provided sufficient arguments in favour of this thread's topic "Usool-a-Kafi declares Mowlana Ismail (as) is rightful Imam"

The made up narrations and chains are your forte. The main subject of this topic has been ...

Ithna Ashari's will have to believe that Imam Ismail (AS) passed away before Imam Jaffar As-Sadiq (AS) to validate Musa Kazim. The fact is that Imam Ismail's death was staged and he survived to fulfill his duty as Imam. Please re-read Javed's long post on the subject in this thread. Javed's post has ...

Just because you have never heard of Aga Khan leading a prayer does not mean he hasn't. At the age of 7 or 8 he led Idd Namaz in Nairobi Jamat Khana. When he came to the seat of Imamat he led Friday prayers at Sunni Mosque in Tanzania like his grandfather had done. Just because you haven't heard ...

Again take it one point at a time..is it so difficult for you? Not a siingle authentic hadeeth has been quoted to support the 'Imamate' of Ismail.


Re-Read my post again. To accommodate you I had only discussed one point.

You have tons of made up hadiths after the lineage of Musa Kazim ...

Brother Khadim, Please read below from one of your own. I have more should you wish. (deleted the repetative post by Moderators)--------------------

We aren't interested in reading long-essays. Don't divert from the main issue in hand & take it one point at a time. Please answer my questions.

We ...

anajmi wrote:Is it different from circ du soleil?

LOL.

al-Baghdadi wants to lead prayers in the Grand Mosque in Makka. That would be a symbolic and crowning glory for Radical Islam.

I have never heard of Aga Khan leading a prayer in any mosque in any country.

A pesh-Imam leads prayer. Al-Bagdadi needs to do that to legitimize himself. Otherwise ...

KA786110 wrote:

JavedhJuma wrote:A cri- de-coeur from an Ismaili

Now I have to teach you French too, Fayyaz? It should read: cri-du-coeur.

It is "cri de coeur". Fayyaz is correct in its usage.

Your heartfelt and sincere appeal is admirable and I fully agree with it.

JavedhJuma wrote:A cri- de-coeur from an Ismaili

Now I have to teach you French too, Fayyaz? It should read: cri-du-coeur.

It is "cri de coeur". Fayyaz is correct in its usage.

None of these matter in the battle for the soul of Islam which is being waged between Orthodox Islam and Radical Islam. Orthodox Islam tolerates Shia. Radical Islam wants to eliminate them.

Orthodox Islam is traditional Sunni Islam with Quran and Hadith as interpreted by Sunni scholars and their ...

JavedhJuma and KA786110,

I will clarify my view about "different direction". I consider that a positive development. .....
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Thanks for a detailed reply. Now I see where you are coming from.

Shia implementation and execution of Islamic rituals will definitely vary from Ahle Sunnah ...

Basics of Quran are these:

1. Have faith and do good works.
2. Pray and offer charity.
3. Follow social commandments as laid down in the book.
4. Defend Islam even if it means you forfeit your life in the process.
5. Obey Prophet and those he put in charge in matters not clearly laid down in the ...

A very good article. Very insightful. Thanks for sharing it here. :D :D :D :D

One of the many quotes from a Muslim scholar cited in the article:

"A well-informed Christian can teach Islam better than an ill-informed Muslim."

- Muslim scholar Zeki Saritoprak

Another snippet from the article ...

Off course Modi will meet Ahmadis, after Muffadalis, he has turn to Ahmadis, tomorrow he will turn to Aga Khanis, may be other break away Muslim sections, he is creating a 'divide' between main stream Muslims and so-called Muslims, breaking the unity, it is age-old tactic, divide and rule! He may ...

James,



Careful there.You don't want me talking about the author of mostmerciful.com :lol:



Just an observation:
You cannot compare Hamdani, Poonawala and Zahid Ali with any Tom, Dick and Harry. They are scholars and intellectuals of very high caliber whereas this other guy (mostmerc ...

People: To the victor (now a days: the ultra rich nations) go the spoils of history. Look at how Islamic history and narrative is being distorted by the oil money.

As far as creation of the universe is concerned: It was described in a way which ancient people could understand.

There are people ...

Imam has to succeed by a son and on whom he confer the nuss. As there was no son of Hasan Askari sahib, this proves the entire chain of Ithna Imams were impostors!


Munira_RV:
You are so close to a huge EUREKA moment. Keep thinking in that line and take the next step and apply that same logic to ...