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The progressives 'failed' because they did not develop an institution.. there was a revolution, people got high.. rallied behind the revolutionaries.. but then that high faded.. a core group always remained. But they could not develop something...they did not focus on building a long lasting ...

The belief in the necessity of a rightful guide is a Shia doctrine, not an Islamic one. I know that vast Shia scholarship and exegeses are available to justify this theology, and I do not want to go into it. Islam was founded on egalitarian principles and all believers are deemed as equal. Outside ...

Your whole progressive movement is a reactionary, even the udaipuris got mad after what happened in Galiayakot otherwise even udaipuris were still in mainstream and eventually most of those who started your so called movement including Ghulam Husain went back to main stream after mithaaq.


An ...

I am glad to see that a progressive community outside the mainstream versions is thriving however there is no room for 'democracy' in Islam.. atleast not in a sense where common members decide who will lead them...


Please explain how there is "room no for 'democracy' in Islam". I'm really ...

ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:09 am It’s as though you said it yourself LOL!

No I did not, but I'll take that as a compliment.

Zinger,

Thank you for giving your cents and support. I must tell you that every cent counts.

Biradar,

A brilliant summary on the progressive movement. It's high time someone outside of the formal progressive movement acknowledged and recognized our contributions and successes. This has been long overdue, to say the least. For years and years myself and a couple of others have been ...

Eloquently put Biradar. Couldn't have said it better myself.

So we will try and remake a community and what will you do? Keep complaining on this forum? Inaction is not revolution, whinging about past wrongs at the hands of perceived culprits is not it, waiting at the altar of some idealistic liberation in not a revolution. It is nothing more than providing ...

What revolution have you caused Humsafar? Have you managed to haul Muffy to court and put him on the defensive for 7 years? FD was your biggest and best opportunity to remake a community and you blew it because your head was too big but not big enough to hold your ego. The irony is that after ...

So this brings me back to the original point. It is all about the price you are willing to pay. Revolutions were not started, freedom was not attained by people who wanted to be seen as “believers in Moula.”


It's funny that a Fatemi Dawat devotee -- a believer of a different Maulana -- should ...

The Bohra history includes imams who were kings and lived like kings and were known as tolerant and just rulers. Why focus on the duat who were poor? There is nothing in the books written by Syedna Hatim and his successors that says that one should not live well if one has wealth... why do you ...

Agreed Biradar, WhatsApp has dumbed down the whole world and especially Bohras. Also, the the succession dispute has distracted Bohras, creating further confusion among their ranks. The highhandedness of the mafia clergy has been discussed on this Forum for more than two decades, not only there's ...

The Bohra clergy and their followers clearly form a parasitic relationship. Without the adoring followers the clergy would be no more, but one must not underestimate the value which the mullah brings to the follower's life. Unfortunately, when you grow up in this community all your life is ...

I think those woman are either jhahil or they are just mesmerized by bhaisahabs expensive watches and clothes and perfumes.


Are you blaming the women?! I can expect an AHole like you to blame the women! How hard was it for the moronic Shehzada to stop the women from slobbering all over his ...

What Was the Zanj Rebellion?
A remarkable episode of Medieval Islamic history that often goes untold.

The Zanj rebellion of Black slaves, which took place in lower Iraq from 868 to 883 CE, is one of the remarkable episodes of Medieval Islamic history that often goes untold. Much of what we know ...

Been thinking for a while to start this thread. The purpose is to curate events and episodes of Islamic history which are not commonly known. Or post about the known ones which have a new perspective or angle. Anyone can post articles/links here but please make sure that they come with source and ...

I don't know about your situation and who you take support from for spiritual matters. But please, please don't listen to Zakir Naik. He's worse than anyone who you can learn islam from

for once i agree with him


Agreed. This Zakir Naik character is radioactive. If you have a choice between ...

^Agreed! To put it in brief, as I've mentioned elsewhere, they are both cut from the same soiled rag.

Brother Bohra Spring,

Please realise that nobody on the Forum speaks for PDB, we all comment as individuals. So if OzD was disappointed with certain individuals the whole group should not be blamed for it. The reformists in Udaipur I admit are quite conservative and would not like to talk about ...

This is not completely true, but I would not comment any further until I know what is your definition of "conservative" and "liberal".


i agree that not completely true. may be some are liberal
but i was saying generally and majority of them.
like they have have same views on fgm like ...

PDB are also very conservative, very far from liberal.
their views on fgm and other are same as traditionalist.
may be they started as liberals, but now nowhere near it.
i have first hand experience.
in fact, traditional qutbi bohras followers of stf are more liberal in their approach and wordly ...

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We are Ismaili Fatimid Mustalian Tayyebi Dawoodi Bohras, a sect of Shia Islam. We accept the succession of Imams up to Imam Tayyeb and his progeny, and the line of Tayyebi Dais starting from Syedna Zoeb bin Moosa to the rightful successor to the 52nd Dai Sayedna ...

Agreed. Excellent post Biradar. Exactly my sentiments but as always expressed more eloquently than I ever could. Thanks.

Yes, and i can't stress this enough, but the line of Imam continues. If you go to higher sabaqs they even tell you name of Imams after 21st Imam.

If you think of Imam as just a normal 2 year old child, i don't think you believe he was Imam. Imam Hussain only a day old helped a firishta in ...

Firstly, if it was that incoherent, you would not have had such a substantial reaction :mrgreen: You are getting quite illogical lately.

Hamasafar I am sorry you had a bad experience with SMB. I did not. I do not have to dismiss the many positive experiences I had being part of SMB’s daawat ...

So nothing centralized and concrete? and stop derogating very people you want to help. Calling people names does not attract them to your cause.. it only antagonises them even more...


Come to Udaipur brother and we will show you solid and concrete (I'm not sure what you mean by centralized ...

Hohoho Muffy ain’t no dai. He is not calling anyone to dawat. He did not even show his face the entire month a Shehre Ramadan! He cannot make up his mind about any policy! Is the best food that which you cook at home? Sure, but we will send you this mass produced second rate stuff anyway ...

Brother SBM,
I don't think we are giving a free pass to STS. He of course is the original crook who laid the foundation of this corrupt empire. SMB built on that foundation, and I was trying to argue that SMB was not crafty and ambitious enough to create this cult around him on his own. His ...

Biradar,

Agreed, in the long view of history SMB is the bigger culprit no doubt and Muffy is merely continuing the cult - and with what vanity and shamelessness. But from what I have heard SMB was not that ambitious and not so sharp of mind or of cunning, so my guess is that this megalomania, this ...