Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Sorry to say Biradar, but your assessment of Trump is a lot more charitable than he deserves. He is a proto-fascist, and your support (albiet qualified) for his most egregious policies regarding, immigrants and muslims shows you up as a close-minded conservative, the class of people that Trump has a...

Who cares if an encounter is, fake or real, as long as the terrorists are real. read the simi manual and manisfesto they want sharia law and smacks of extreme wahabi ideology even ur favourite teesta setalvad has written against it they beleive sharia law to be above country law. and they got what ...

Thanks Biradar for bringing up this subject. I'm guilty of not participating as much as I would like to, but not because I'm bogged down into social media :-). Have been really busy, but I do pop in every day and am occasionally provoked to give my two cents. But surely I do miss the old days when w...

UnhappyBohra wrote:^^^you are so full of it Humsafar. First you delegitimise FD and then you fault me for not supporting it openly! Make up your mind!

If FD is what you have chosen, then support it openly and fearlessly. Act on your choice. Whether I delegitimise FD or not is beside the point.

People, please. I started this thread to discuss the repercussions of speaking up. I understand that there are strong views here, and many of them clash. But who are we to judge one another? We all come here to discuss our discontent with the community, and so we all have the same underlying issue....

Sigh....One needs to spell everything out over here. He sacrificed precisely by staying quiet. And then again by speaking up. I would spell it out if it were not indecent to describe precisely what a great personal price SKQ and his family have paid, both for their silence (in support of Burhanuddi...

I have said this before and will repeat it again that clubbing together SKQ (and FD) with the atrocities of Kothar is not fair. After the split it has become very clear how marginalised SKQ was - You can say it a thousand times but the facts won't change. SKQ was part of the old regime and went wit...

The people of FD have taken charge of their own future and are very careful not to make the mistakes of their forefathers. That is some progress I suppose, acknowledging that the infallible forefathers made mistakes. Still I'm not convinced that the Fatemi Dawat is actually moved by the plight of t...

SBM, for a man of the world, your naivette is staggering. Do you think that Fatemi Dawat are fighting solely for personal gain? Don't you think that those who have answered the call of Fatemi Dawat want their leaders to fight for the properties that they have contributed to all their lives and for ...

I agree with Biradar about his assessment of the reform movement. It has been on the decline for a long time, even while Asghar Ali Engineer was alive. We often used to discuss about it and he despaired about the its dwindling fortunes. After him the movement has completely lost its public face, eve...

Biradar, Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I've said many times I've no problem with the concepts of Imamat, Taawil and all the attendant intricacies that go with it. As the fundamentals of Bohra faith I have no quarrel with them, if this is what Bohras accept as true. In fact, I appreciate the d...

Good to see you back Biradar, but frankly I'm quite disappointed to see you in your new avtaar -- as a gushing acolyte of Taher Fakhruddin. You always had a soft corner for KQ but your new-found enthusiasm for TF is intriguing. I wonder what changed, that now you should come out swinging in defence ...

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un What a shameless community the bohras have become. They do not hesitate to eat the meat of their dead brother. Well said, anajmi. What a sad state of affairs. Now with Khozema Qutbuddin gone, the way is clear for Mufuddal Saifuddin. This is the end of the road for...

Sufi monk wrote: what I meant was how to wake up blind abdes to stand against kothar and stop paying them.

For that my friend they will have to open their eyes and grow a spine. Nobody can do that for them.

Bohras have to rise up and challenge these thugs in every city, in every jamat nothing less will work. People are quick to blame the reform movement for failure but themselves will not a lift finger make a dent to this mighty and illegitimate syster. If we can do it in Uganda and Kenya in the 60s an...

We all know that our community has become a social club, and stating the obvious is not very enlightening. It has been made into a social club by the mafia clergy - another obvious fact. So what's to be done? Boot out the mafia clergy and bring the community back to its Islamic roots and traditions....

2.) Assuming this is serious, above, brother Humsafar mentioned that they agreed not to force people and agree to some form of accountability. So which is it? They agreed to accountability, or not agree to it? And they mention accountability on their website. So did you ask them: How do you say thi...

Biradar, By asking for a side by side comparison you are implying that the misaq administered now is exactly the same as the one used in the time of the Imams? As I suggested, if you had searched this site and forum you would have several references to the current misaq being doctored to serve the n...

A religious leader should never compromise on the tenets of his faith. Since misaaq/bayat is the foundation of shia faith I don't expect any shia leader worth his salt to compromise on it. As far as jamaat accountability, I am sure SKQ was open to that. Perhaps he was just not open to the audit of ...

babdeen, Thank you very much for updating us on the outcome of your dialogue with the SKQ camp. As I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum, we reformists in India had also been stonewalled. Saifuddin Insaf and other reformist activists met with the SKQ's sons not long after the dispute started. The...

Just to make myself a little more clear.. Those reformist who started this movement have achieved in freeing our mental captivity .. They have helped us as individual by sharing there vast knowledge in Islam and bohra history.. People like Asghar Ali Engineer and S. Insaf have given us insight, how...

I have no problem with the wadhava. Done on birthdays, marriage. Progressives are closet Islamists trying to be Arabs. Islam in India is influenced by Indian culture and that's how it should be instead of trying to be like Pakis who have done everything to run away from Indian roots and pretend to ...

Biradar, Adam et al, I suggest you guys get off your high horses. Agreed the body-double theory is far-fetched but not new, it's been floating around for quite some time, and for good reason. The fact though is that the mafia clergy for all its wiliness lacks the sophistication to or the imagination...

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The same old tired argument again and again!! Please make a little effort and search this Forum before starting a new thread. This topic has been discussed a million times here. Here's one : http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4088&p=50561 There are many others, just search for t...

HAS ANYONE SEEN A "CAKE CUTTING CEREMONY" OF A DEAD PERSON ON HIS "BIRTHDAY" ??..... OOPS ! HE IS "AL-HAY" !! Milad Mubarak cake cutting of Al Hayul Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) in Saifee Burhani Park 2 16th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436 http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/538/HbWNVO.jp...

Anwar saheb, The things is you called the reform movement and its leaders names without much thinking about it, and are now twisting and turning to justify it. But with all due respect sir, you are clutching at straws here. You start with the wrong premise and end with the wrong conclusion. You hing...

what the 2 of you are fighting about is just one endless loop of infinity. Zinger, that's not true. People are free to judge the reform movement according to their own lights. I'm only trying to present the facts. My argument with Anwar saheb is not about the success or failure of the movement. If ...

Anwar saheb, With all due respect, you did not answer my question. You made serious allegations against the movement and its leaders, and I asked: Please tell us how reformists and progressives are guilty of "hypocrisy, cowardice and opportunism" and how we "in essence are hypocrites, gutless coward...

The “right path” here refers to the Religion of Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), while the “wrong path” refers to the Religion of Abu Jahl. The “firmest handhold” refers to the testimony that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allaah {Laa Ilaaha Illallaah). This ...