Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Good to see you back Biradar, but frankly I'm quite disappointed to see you in your new avtaar -- as a gushing acolyte of Taher Fakhruddin. You always had a soft corner for KQ but your new-found enthusiasm for TF is intriguing. I wonder what changed, that now you should come out swinging in defence ...

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un What a shameless community the bohras have become. They do not hesitate to eat the meat of their dead brother. Well said, anajmi. What a sad state of affairs. Now with Khozema Qutbuddin gone, the way is clear for Mufuddal Saifuddin. This is the end of the road for...

Sufi monk wrote: what I meant was how to wake up blind abdes to stand against kothar and stop paying them.

For that my friend they will have to open their eyes and grow a spine. Nobody can do that for them.

Bohras have to rise up and challenge these thugs in every city, in every jamat nothing less will work. People are quick to blame the reform movement for failure but themselves will not a lift finger make a dent to this mighty and illegitimate syster. If we can do it in Uganda and Kenya in the 60s an...

We all know that our community has become a social club, and stating the obvious is not very enlightening. It has been made into a social club by the mafia clergy - another obvious fact. So what's to be done? Boot out the mafia clergy and bring the community back to its Islamic roots and traditions....

2.) Assuming this is serious, above, brother Humsafar mentioned that they agreed not to force people and agree to some form of accountability. So which is it? They agreed to accountability, or not agree to it? And they mention accountability on their website. So did you ask them: How do you say thi...

Biradar, By asking for a side by side comparison you are implying that the misaq administered now is exactly the same as the one used in the time of the Imams? As I suggested, if you had searched this site and forum you would have several references to the current misaq being doctored to serve the n...

A religious leader should never compromise on the tenets of his faith. Since misaaq/bayat is the foundation of shia faith I don't expect any shia leader worth his salt to compromise on it. As far as jamaat accountability, I am sure SKQ was open to that. Perhaps he was just not open to the audit of ...

babdeen, Thank you very much for updating us on the outcome of your dialogue with the SKQ camp. As I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum, we reformists in India had also been stonewalled. Saifuddin Insaf and other reformist activists met with the SKQ's sons not long after the dispute started. The...

Just to make myself a little more clear.. Those reformist who started this movement have achieved in freeing our mental captivity .. They have helped us as individual by sharing there vast knowledge in Islam and bohra history.. People like Asghar Ali Engineer and S. Insaf have given us insight, how...

I have no problem with the wadhava. Done on birthdays, marriage. Progressives are closet Islamists trying to be Arabs. Islam in India is influenced by Indian culture and that's how it should be instead of trying to be like Pakis who have done everything to run away from Indian roots and pretend to ...

Biradar, Adam et al, I suggest you guys get off your high horses. Agreed the body-double theory is far-fetched but not new, it's been floating around for quite some time, and for good reason. The fact though is that the mafia clergy for all its wiliness lacks the sophistication to or the imagination...

Here's one more: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8924&hilit=achieved#p118911

The same old tired argument again and again!! Please make a little effort and search this Forum before starting a new thread. This topic has been discussed a million times here. Here's one : http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4088&p=50561 There are many others, just search for t...

HAS ANYONE SEEN A "CAKE CUTTING CEREMONY" OF A DEAD PERSON ON HIS "BIRTHDAY" ??..... OOPS ! HE IS "AL-HAY" !! Milad Mubarak cake cutting of Al Hayul Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) in Saifee Burhani Park 2 16th Rabiul Aakhar, 1436 http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/538/HbWNVO.jp...

Anwar saheb, The things is you called the reform movement and its leaders names without much thinking about it, and are now twisting and turning to justify it. But with all due respect sir, you are clutching at straws here. You start with the wrong premise and end with the wrong conclusion. You hing...

what the 2 of you are fighting about is just one endless loop of infinity. Zinger, that's not true. People are free to judge the reform movement according to their own lights. I'm only trying to present the facts. My argument with Anwar saheb is not about the success or failure of the movement. If ...

Anwar saheb, With all due respect, you did not answer my question. You made serious allegations against the movement and its leaders, and I asked: Please tell us how reformists and progressives are guilty of "hypocrisy, cowardice and opportunism" and how we "in essence are hypocrites, gutless coward...

The “right path” here refers to the Religion of Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), while the “wrong path” refers to the Religion of Abu Jahl. The “firmest handhold” refers to the testimony that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allaah {Laa Ilaaha Illallaah). This ...

fayyaaz wrote: Mixing absolute morality with absolute judicial rules are characteristics of fanatics.

Exactly, fanatics only trade in absolutes. All I'm saying is that you cannot run down moral codes of any ideology on the basis of how fanatics would use them.

That's reductive reasoning at its worse. Morality and ethics are not absolute values, but are rather function of history and culture. Morality and ethics are not absolute. Agreed. But tell that to Sunnah and Quran-thumping fanatics! That maybe so but to assume that Quranic morality is retrograde is...

@anajmi Yes , but maybe you living in america whose legaslation is based on kufr and the one who is at war with Muslims Hence it is AFAIU not desirable to live in America but to migrate to an Islamic state. Really khokawala, are you that far gone that you have begun to see the world in terms of Wah...

fayyaaz wrote:Their views regarding the universe are totally wrong and, if that is the case, they cannot be trusted to give moral or ethical lessons either.

That's reductive reasoning at its worse. Morality and ethics are not absolute values, but are rather function of history and culture.

And here are the defenders of free speech:
https://storify.com/tometty/staunch-def ... solidarity

Biradar wrote: To summarize: the principles are (a) doing things in the name of Allah (b) recognition of the two key attributes of Allah, i.e. ar-rahman and ar-rahim (c ) humility (d) love and empathy.

There is one more (e) Justice.

"The notion suggests that freedom of speech is some kind of absolute right, and that's exactly the same as a religious point of view." Will Self, who teaches contemporary thought at Brunel University, tells Cathy Newman that free speech comes with responsibility and satire should only target “people...

bro this is double standard , they also have the right to condemn and speak out against indecency. Dr zakir naik RA does this in the most respectable and civil way, have you heard his lectures? can you point just one paragraph that he spoken in a non civil manner.? All "wahhabis"/ are peaceful as m...

anajmi wrote: Consider the irony. In trying to make people ignore someone you end up making that person the active topic of the day.

Your 15-minute of fame.

Biradar, Why inflate anajmi's already big ego and give him more importance than he deserves. You can ignore his posts if you don't want to read them. I agree that he is a nuisance and a master agent provocateur. He diverts and derails topic and when cornered he becomes flippant. His Islam stops afte...

Humsafar: Although I understand the spirit of your comment, I don't see the causal relationship between what happens in Afghanistan with murder of journalists from a satirical magazine in France. The killers were French nationals, not escaped Afghanistan war dissidents. At best, the relationship is...