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by Humsafar
Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:38 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: The principles of Islam
Replies: 47
Views: 4735

Re: The principles of Islam

fayyaaz wrote: Mixing absolute morality with absolute judicial rules are characteristics of fanatics.
Exactly, fanatics only trade in absolutes. All I'm saying is that you cannot run down moral codes of any ideology on the basis of how fanatics would use them.
by Humsafar
Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:57 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: The principles of Islam
Replies: 47
Views: 4735

Re: The principles of Islam

That's reductive reasoning at its worse. Morality and ethics are not absolute values, but are rather function of history and culture. Morality and ethics are not absolute. Agreed. But tell that to Sunnah and Quran-thumping fanatics! That maybe so but to assume that Quranic morality is retrograde is...
by Humsafar
Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:55 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: Worship and its types
Replies: 9
Views: 1285

Re: Worship and its types

@anajmi Yes , but maybe you living in america whose legaslation is based on kufr and the one who is at war with Muslims Hence it is AFAIU not desirable to live in America but to migrate to an Islamic state. Really khokawala, are you that far gone that you have begun to see the world in terms of Wah...
by Humsafar
Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:20 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: The principles of Islam
Replies: 47
Views: 4735

Re: The principles of Islam

fayyaaz wrote:Their views regarding the universe are totally wrong and, if that is the case, they cannot be trusted to give moral or ethical lessons either.
That's reductive reasoning at its worse. Morality and ethics are not absolute values, but are rather function of history and culture.
by Humsafar
Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:02 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: terror in Paris
Replies: 108
Views: 15397

Re: terror in Paris

And here are the defenders of free speech:
https://storify.com/tometty/staunch-def ... solidarity
by Humsafar
Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:35 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: The principles of Islam
Replies: 47
Views: 4735

Re: The principles of Islam

Biradar wrote: To summarize: the principles are (a) doing things in the name of Allah (b) recognition of the two key attributes of Allah, i.e. ar-rahman and ar-rahim (c ) humility (d) love and empathy.
There is one more (e) Justice.
by Humsafar
Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:11 pm
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: terror in Paris
Replies: 108
Views: 15397

Re: terror in Paris

"The notion suggests that freedom of speech is some kind of absolute right, and that's exactly the same as a religious point of view." Will Self, who teaches contemporary thought at Brunel University, tells Cathy Newman that free speech comes with responsibility and satire should only target “people...
by Humsafar
Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:23 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: The principles of Islam
Replies: 47
Views: 4735

Re: The principles of Islam

bro this is double standard , they also have the right to condemn and speak out against indecency. Dr zakir naik RA does this in the most respectable and civil way, have you heard his lectures? can you point just one paragraph that he spoken in a non civil manner.? All "wahhabis"/ are peaceful as m...
by Humsafar
Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:48 pm
Forum: Forum issues and feedback
Topic: Ignoring user posts
Replies: 34
Views: 5581

Re: Ignoring user posts

anajmi wrote::mrgreen: Consider the irony. In trying to make people ignore someone you end up making that person the active topic of the day.
Your 15-minute of fame. :)
by Humsafar
Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:54 pm
Forum: Forum issues and feedback
Topic: Ignoring user posts
Replies: 34
Views: 5581

Re: Ignoring user posts

Biradar, Why inflate anajmi's already big ego and give him more importance than he deserves. You can ignore his posts if you don't want to read them. I agree that he is a nuisance and a master agent provocateur. He diverts and derails topic and when cornered he becomes flippant. His Islam stops afte...
by Humsafar
Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:40 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: terror in Paris
Replies: 108
Views: 15397

Re: terror in Paris

Humsafar: Although I understand the spirit of your comment, I don't see the causal relationship between what happens in Afghanistan with murder of journalists from a satirical magazine in France. The killers were French nationals, not escaped Afghanistan war dissidents. At best, the relationship is...
by Humsafar
Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:08 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 10307

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Anwar saheb, you don't need to know anything about me in order to respond. Thank you.

Birader, I will post the copy of the misaaq if I can lay my hands on it.
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:32 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 10307

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Biradar says: the progressives do not have any clear idea of what they want The he answers it himself in the next sentence: Now, I more than support the basic idea of non-interference in local jamaat matters, financial transparencies, lack of coercion in fund collecting, freedom of conscience, etc. ...
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:19 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: terror in Paris
Replies: 108
Views: 15397

Re: terror in Paris

You know, these Salafi terrorists, if they don't like the way western democracies work, should go back to their own stone-age countries, taking their Salafi ideology with them. There, they can wear their full-length tents and roam around their humorless towns, and chop off heads, cut off hands, and...
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:43 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 10307

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Anwar saheb, Are you going to respond to my post? I don't see how your new-found Islamic ideals can allow you to make wild accusations against a group of people without any justification. Please tell us how reformists and progressives are guilty of " hypocrisy, cowardice and opportunism " and how we...
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:21 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 10307

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

I have a question for you. Misaaq is an old institution, even pre-dating the start of the chain of daut mutlaqeen. Today, it mostly holds a symbolic value only. Why not just give the misaaq and move on? You misunderstood, we are not against misaaq per se. Our youth take the misaaq when they come of...
by Humsafar
Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:48 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 10307

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Biradar, Apart from accountability and jamat democracy Reformist agenda includes end of baraat, and end to using misaaq and razaa as instruments of coercion. FD is making vague promises about accountability and such and nothing more. Reformists have met with the FD team, and as I mentioned elsewhere...
by Humsafar
Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:28 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 10307

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

...S. Qutbuddin has done what could not be achieved in 50 years of the reform movement. I.e, the establishment of an international movement, which is set to bring back liberalism, compassion, modern education and values, brotherhood and social-economic equality among the Bohras. As I said above, th...
by Humsafar
Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:20 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 10307

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Given the length of time and other statistics, it is abundantly clear that the Movement has failed to achieve its stated objectives because the Dai/Dawa't have not yielded to any demands for reforms, primarily because of hypocrisy, cowardice and opportunism among the so called Reformists and Progre...
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:42 pm
Forum: Here and Now
Topic: School attack in Pakistan
Replies: 46
Views: 5470

Re: School attack in Pakistan

Qutub M,
If you can't bring yourself to condemn and mourn the senseless massacre of innocent children, the least you could do is shut the F up.
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:50 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Ziyafats
Replies: 398
Views: 82064

Re: Ziyafats

The dawaat at present is the private purse of DMMS and his vast and extended family. It has been for a long time, incidentally, even during the time of SMB. His family enjoyed great decadence and power. Why should it not be so? After all, the Bohris are more than happy to genuflect in front of ever...
by Humsafar
Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:24 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Ziyafats
Replies: 398
Views: 82064

Re: Ziyafats

ZIYAFAT IN DUBAI. AS PER REPORTS THE PICTURES ARE OF THE VILLA OF SHK MOIZBHAI LOKHANDWALA OF M/S. SPEEDEX TRADING CO., WHICH WAS DECORATED FOR MUFFY'S ZIYAFAT. THE MILLIONS OF UAE DINARS PAID FOR THE AZEEM-US-SHAAN SHARAF COULD BE ANYONES GUESS !! This cloying servility and extravaganza is bad eno...
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:36 pm
Forum: Here and Now
Topic: Bohras fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too
Replies: 1461
Views: 486509

Re: Bohras fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

Didn't know Madhu Kishwar was so enamoured of Modi. Anyway, serves her right to be disappointed in him. And I'm disappointed in her for being so naieve. And why does the appointment of Smiriti Irani, whoever she is, must rile her so. Is Modi himself a Harvard graduate? What about other semi-literate...
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:46 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra SMS Duniya
Replies: 2710
Views: 499365

Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

I personally feel we may be entering a golden age, one in which at least a few thinking people have woken up from their slumber, rudely, I should add, and realized that not all is well with the dawaat higher-ups, even including the da'i himself. Obviously, SMB (RA) was unable to stop his children a...
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:13 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra SMS Duniya
Replies: 2710
Views: 499365

Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

The golden age of Burhanuddin Mola RA is now just a memory in the hearts of the faithful and forever etched in jewels in the Book of Knowledge held in the hand of God almighty himself. Golden age? I'm hoping you did not have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek when you said that. If not then p...
by Humsafar
Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:57 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Who is bigger DAI or ALLAH?
Replies: 43
Views: 7062

Re: Who is bigger DAI or ALLAH?

In my jamaat people are so worried but who can they talk to, ours has become a communist society where everyone is gauging everyones aqida and reporting to the aamil to receive brownie points for themselves. I'm sure you mean a fascist society. The qualities you describe are that of a fascist socie...
by Humsafar
Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:01 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8832

Re: Imam, Imamat and Bohras

The burden of my "thesis" is this: Imams have existed historically. But the Tayebbi/Bohra Imams by all available evidence - and inference - do not exist. In the absence of the Imam the doctrine of Imamat has no leg to stand on. In the absence of the Imam the Bohra Dai/Dais have no doctrinal legitima...
by Humsafar
Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:20 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8832

Re: Imam, Imamat and Bohras

Speaking generally, and concluding the argument I've been making, the doctrine of Imamat (when scrutinised in the light of history, and measured against principles and standards it sets out for itself) comes under serious doubt. The foundation on which the Ismaili/Fatimid belief system is based is s...
by Humsafar
Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:42 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8832

Re: Imam, Imamat and Bohras

I suggest you deal with what is in front of you right now. Choose SMS or SKQ. Or choose neither. Be happy. Choosing SMS or SKQ is not the solution to the problem I'm highlighting. We can put out the fire now but we know from experience that this fire will start again. Isn't it foolish to just go ab...
by Humsafar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:50 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8832

Re: How is this forum significant?

Evidently STS admitted in the courts that Imam is a concept. Okay, lets grant that STS was cornered and what he really ought to have said was 'that the existence of the Imam is a central part of our faith, and while I receive inspiration that I attribute as coming from Imam, and refer to it as "Ilh...