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by Humsafar
Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:08 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 9801

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Anwar saheb, you don't need to know anything about me in order to respond. Thank you.

Birader, I will post the copy of the misaaq if I can lay my hands on it.
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:32 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 9801

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Biradar says: the progressives do not have any clear idea of what they want The he answers it himself in the next sentence: Now, I more than support the basic idea of non-interference in local jamaat matters, financial transparencies, lack of coercion in fund collecting, freedom of conscience, etc. ...
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:19 am
Forum: Islam Today
Topic: terror in Paris
Replies: 108
Views: 14754

Re: terror in Paris

You know, these Salafi terrorists, if they don't like the way western democracies work, should go back to their own stone-age countries, taking their Salafi ideology with them. There, they can wear their full-length tents and roam around their humorless towns, and chop off heads, cut off hands, and...
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:43 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 9801

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Anwar saheb, Are you going to respond to my post? I don't see how your new-found Islamic ideals can allow you to make wild accusations against a group of people without any justification. Please tell us how reformists and progressives are guilty of " hypocrisy, cowardice and opportunism " and how we...
by Humsafar
Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:21 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 9801

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

I have a question for you. Misaaq is an old institution, even pre-dating the start of the chain of daut mutlaqeen. Today, it mostly holds a symbolic value only. Why not just give the misaaq and move on? You misunderstood, we are not against misaaq per se. Our youth take the misaaq when they come of...
by Humsafar
Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:48 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 9801

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Biradar, Apart from accountability and jamat democracy Reformist agenda includes end of baraat, and end to using misaaq and razaa as instruments of coercion. FD is making vague promises about accountability and such and nothing more. Reformists have met with the FD team, and as I mentioned elsewhere...
by Humsafar
Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:28 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 9801

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

...S. Qutbuddin has done what could not be achieved in 50 years of the reform movement. I.e, the establishment of an international movement, which is set to bring back liberalism, compassion, modern education and values, brotherhood and social-economic equality among the Bohras. As I said above, th...
by Humsafar
Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:20 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't
Replies: 55
Views: 9801

Re: Obsession With Dai & Dawa't

Given the length of time and other statistics, it is abundantly clear that the Movement has failed to achieve its stated objectives because the Dai/Dawa't have not yielded to any demands for reforms, primarily because of hypocrisy, cowardice and opportunism among the so called Reformists and Progre...
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:42 pm
Forum: Here and Now
Topic: School attack in Pakistan
Replies: 46
Views: 5124

Re: School attack in Pakistan

Qutub M,
If you can't bring yourself to condemn and mourn the senseless massacre of innocent children, the least you could do is shut the F up.
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:50 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Ziyafats
Replies: 398
Views: 80156

Re: Ziyafats

The dawaat at present is the private purse of DMMS and his vast and extended family. It has been for a long time, incidentally, even during the time of SMB. His family enjoyed great decadence and power. Why should it not be so? After all, the Bohris are more than happy to genuflect in front of ever...
by Humsafar
Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:24 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Ziyafats
Replies: 398
Views: 80156

Re: Ziyafats

ZIYAFAT IN DUBAI. AS PER REPORTS THE PICTURES ARE OF THE VILLA OF SHK MOIZBHAI LOKHANDWALA OF M/S. SPEEDEX TRADING CO., WHICH WAS DECORATED FOR MUFFY'S ZIYAFAT. THE MILLIONS OF UAE DINARS PAID FOR THE AZEEM-US-SHAAN SHARAF COULD BE ANYONES GUESS !! This cloying servility and extravaganza is bad eno...
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:36 pm
Forum: Here and Now
Topic: Bohras fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too
Replies: 1461
Views: 287013

Re: Bohras fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

Didn't know Madhu Kishwar was so enamoured of Modi. Anyway, serves her right to be disappointed in him. And I'm disappointed in her for being so naieve. And why does the appointment of Smiriti Irani, whoever she is, must rile her so. Is Modi himself a Harvard graduate? What about other semi-literate...
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:46 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra SMS Duniya
Replies: 2710
Views: 486060

Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

I personally feel we may be entering a golden age, one in which at least a few thinking people have woken up from their slumber, rudely, I should add, and realized that not all is well with the dawaat higher-ups, even including the da'i himself. Obviously, SMB (RA) was unable to stop his children a...
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:13 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Bohra SMS Duniya
Replies: 2710
Views: 486060

Re: Bohri SMS Duniya

The golden age of Burhanuddin Mola RA is now just a memory in the hearts of the faithful and forever etched in jewels in the Book of Knowledge held in the hand of God almighty himself. Golden age? I'm hoping you did not have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek when you said that. If not then p...
by Humsafar
Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:57 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Who is bigger DAI or ALLAH?
Replies: 43
Views: 6829

Re: Who is bigger DAI or ALLAH?

In my jamaat people are so worried but who can they talk to, ours has become a communist society where everyone is gauging everyones aqida and reporting to the aamil to receive brownie points for themselves. I'm sure you mean a fascist society. The qualities you describe are that of a fascist socie...
by Humsafar
Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:01 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: Imam, Imamat and Bohras

The burden of my "thesis" is this: Imams have existed historically. But the Tayebbi/Bohra Imams by all available evidence - and inference - do not exist. In the absence of the Imam the doctrine of Imamat has no leg to stand on. In the absence of the Imam the Bohra Dai/Dais have no doctrinal legitima...
by Humsafar
Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:20 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: Imam, Imamat and Bohras

Speaking generally, and concluding the argument I've been making, the doctrine of Imamat (when scrutinised in the light of history, and measured against principles and standards it sets out for itself) comes under serious doubt. The foundation on which the Ismaili/Fatimid belief system is based is s...
by Humsafar
Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:42 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: Imam, Imamat and Bohras

I suggest you deal with what is in front of you right now. Choose SMS or SKQ. Or choose neither. Be happy. Choosing SMS or SKQ is not the solution to the problem I'm highlighting. We can put out the fire now but we know from experience that this fire will start again. Isn't it foolish to just go ab...
by Humsafar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:50 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

Evidently STS admitted in the courts that Imam is a concept. Okay, lets grant that STS was cornered and what he really ought to have said was 'that the existence of the Imam is a central part of our faith, and while I receive inspiration that I attribute as coming from Imam, and refer to it as "Ilh...
by Humsafar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:24 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: Imam, Imamat and Bohras

Humsafar and Biradar Please enlighten me about how does the living Imam Agha Khan fits in this . I understand both of you are discussing about Bohra's belief in Imam and Agha Khan is separate topic but to get a better understanding, one should also have an idea how and where even the Imamat got spl...
by Humsafar
Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:04 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

How did muslims of Arabia know Rasulullah SAW was truthful and the "rightful one"? Because they pondered, went through the same dilemmas people are faced today. Indeed. Wrong question. There were not two contenders for prophethood, there was no dilemma, there was no question of choice. Yes, people ...
by Humsafar
Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:42 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

Perhaps you are right. However, in the same vein, neither has the concept of Allah, Quran, Prophet et al served us well. These all have failed to ameliorate the troubles which beset this world. But let me say again what I said before: during the time of the Imam's seclusion, the da'i is the divinel...
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:28 pm
Forum: Forum issues and feedback
Topic: Why do so few people post here?
Replies: 4
Views: 960

Re: Why do so few people post here?

You must ask those who don't.
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:12 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

Friend Humsafar: The central character in the faith is not missing in action. He is present, but in seclusion . The da'i al-mutlaq operates with the same authority as the Imam (while he is in seclusion). So, he is the divinely appointed guide during this time. The fundamental defining aspect of Boh...
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:22 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

Birader, You have addressed everything but the elephant in the room. It is not an elephant, actually. During the time of satar, i.e. when the Imam is in seclusion, one must follow the da'i. That is it. Allah has given you intellect. You must use that to choose between right and wrong. Imam can't ha...
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:05 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

Humsafar, If Imam is a problem to you what about God? He is hidden and the faithful believe all sorts of things about Him. What about angels? Nobody has seen them but belief in them is mandatory for a Muslim. Just as you let belief in God and angels be I suggest you let belief in hidden Imam be. It...
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:40 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

Humsafar: Yes, you have raised many interesting points and I would agree with a lot of what you say. In essence, I agree that there is a difference between what is possible in principal (egalitarian ideas in Quran) v/s what actually happens in practice (ISIS). This struggle continues and will conti...
by Humsafar
Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:28 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

im sensing some contradiction here. on one hand, further down the post, you question these Fatimid beliefs, but here you are ready to, in your own words, "wallow in its glories till the end of time".. slight amount of confusion. Would you clarify what you mean here? I'm not questioning anything. Wh...
by Humsafar
Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:52 pm
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Imam, Imamat and Bohras
Replies: 145
Views: 8283

Re: How is this forum significant?

Birader, I confess I know little of Fatimid literature and philosophy, but I'll not hesitate to join you and wallow in its glories till the end of time, when Qaim al Qiam will come, as promised by the said literature, and set this world right. Until such time what are we supposed to do? The Old Test...
by Humsafar
Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:55 am
Forum: Bohras and Reform
Topic: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)
Replies: 2529
Views: 445922

Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

anjami, The point of humanbeing is, if I may, that Makkah and the cause of Islam is no better served under the Wahabbi Saudi royalty. To your point, are they better than Mufaddalis if they had been the custodians? A grudging yes. Are the Saudis generally better than Mufadallis? Maybe so. But that's ...