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- Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:33 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
You just hit rock bottom with the most idiotic statement ever made. Slaves do not exist, but men and women do, who were slaves. Slaves didn't become extinct, slavery did. Similarly, women do not have to become extinct to make FGM extinct. I feel like I am talking to a 4th standard back bencher. For...
- Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:20 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
Are you done reading ANAJMI? Doesn't seem don't have anything maturely intelligent to say. Daim ul Islam is supposedly the main book for your PROGGY friends. The wont be too happy. For the sources, they have been given, and the translation, you please get your "great scholars" to do it. I...
- Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:55 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
Look at your own translation. O womenfolk, if you cut (khafD) your daughters Do you see the red in your green? That is the problem with people like you. About the other sources, some examples: Yeah, please post the translations and the references. Good observation, as mentioned, it isn't MY transla...
- Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:17 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
@ANAJMI FGM is not a LAW. Can you please cite your "MANNY SUNNI AND SHIA" sources that make FGM a law? Female circumcision IS a LAW (hukum, farmaan) according to Dawoodi Bohra faith, it is a hukum by Mowlana Ali AS, as stated in the Daim ul Islam. I will post PORUS translation to that cap...
- Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:42 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
@SMB now you are going a step further by asking whether I am DB or not, I didn't ask you if you were or weren't. In my humble opinion, I don't think you are . BUT, coming to the point, I did ask you what your sources for your understanding of Islam and its Shariat are derived from. Which you avoide...
- Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:22 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
ANAJMI Daimul Islam is not an authority on Islam. So, after the Quran, what is YOUR authority on Islam and Shariat? (Books, People?) I'll rephrase: Daim ul Islam is an authority on Islam for the DAWOODI BOHRAS. (Just in case you didn't notice, everyone else claims to be a Dawoodi Bohra on this foru...
- Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:53 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
@SBM Good question. In my opinion of Dawoodi Bohra beliefs, adhering to the laws of Shari'at come first in every case. (Hypothetically, if a country passes a law banning the beard, or Salaat etc or any Sharitat deed, would you obey the laws of the country or the laws of Rasulullah SAW?) Syedna has ...
- Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:52 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
@sixfeetunder Miswaq is not sacred! Cleanliness is! Will a twig bring me closer to Allah and his Prophet or will cleanliness do it? Well, actually it will bring you closer, there is a Hadeeth quoted in Daim ul Islam (a book BOHRAs follow for their understanding of Shariat) saying, السواك مطيبة للفم...
- Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:47 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
@SBM Was expecting a stupid reply like that. Stick to the conversation topic. I was talking about the Islam that Rasulullah has stated, that is being called for "modernization", and not being applicable to the current times. You knew exactly what I meant, but gave a very cowardice answer....
- Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:28 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
@GULAM MOHAMMED It is yet to be clarified as to whether the said teachings were really from Prophet (s.a.w.), commonsense says otherwise. ghulam muhammed So you're saying you don't refer the Daim ul Islam as one of your foundations for the tenets of your belief that are "supposed" to be D...
- Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:57 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
@GULAM MOHAMMED : At least the Dawoodi Bohra Community (by following Syedna) in this example are following the Prophet SAW and Imam ALI AS. As they have both ordered for "Khafz". Unlike the others who are out rightly disapproving their teachings, and the teachings of the Dawoodi Bohra fai...
- Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:15 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 456166
Re: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION
Salaam This topic has been misunderstood by most who don't have much knowledge on the Dawoodi Bohra core beliefs and practices, and in the same way of Islam. As mentioned by me many times, i'm not here to preach, but to clarify when TRUE Dawoodi Bohra beliefs are misunderstood or deliberately twist...
- Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:14 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
- Replies: 59
- Views: 12680
Re: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
PORUS We will both agree that Sun rises in the east every day. We do not need any authority for that belief; and it is only a belief. You learned that fact about the sun rising in the east, from an AUTHORITY (teacher, parent). If you had left it to your own mind, and your own common sense, you woul...
- Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:59 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
Also, if the Proggy belief remained UNSHAKEN. How come No proggy refutes what: Anajmi says about Imam Husain? Porus said about Moulatena Hurratul Maleka? (I'm not sure who) said that Syedna Qazi Noman invented many things, and didn't believe in what he said? These are just a few examples. Where I h...
- Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:53 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
- Replies: 59
- Views: 12680
Re: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
ANAJMI Authority that is following Islamic principles!! True. My answer was to PORUS who doesn't see the need for any authority. BUT, Since you NOW stated you need an authority "that is follwing Islamic Principles", and since you consider yourself a "True Muslim", who is your au...
- Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:26 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
HUMSAFAR You're still replying to the thread but dodging my answer, for the 8th time if i'm not mistaken? WHAT IS YOUR BELIEF/SECT OF ISLAM YOU FOLLOW? WHO IS YOUR PHYSICAL LEADER TODAY? AS A MUSLIM, DO YOU PRAY NAMAAZ? WHO LEADS YOUR NAMAAZ? AND WHY HIM/HER? Just to give you a hint, or an idea, yo...
- Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:42 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
- Replies: 59
- Views: 12680
Re: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
PORUS Finally, I believe that if you studied Quran by yourself without accepting any authority, you would be in a far better position to defend yourself The need for a physical authority in all ages is an Islamic concept. فاسئلوا اهل الذكر ان كنتم لا تعلمون - thus, you need "some" sort of...
- Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:34 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
I dont think any thing wrong in spreading knowledge,syedna Ali bin waleed wrote that book so people migt get the message not just to keep in some jamiaa bunker where it will be locked up,and only few individual who thinks they are almighty GOD have rights to read it. I support every kind of spread ...
- Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:58 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
PROFASTIAN
Agreed. Correct.
I/We don't need their support. Was just trying to clarify the Progs double standards and cowardice.
Agreed. Correct.
I/We don't need their support. Was just trying to clarify the Progs double standards and cowardice.
- Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:58 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
PORUS You may stand by your beliefs, as we will stand by our, in accordance to texts that we follow. Again, I respect the fact that you have made your ideology ad beliefs clear. My second, and more important issue, which I raised earlier, is, why are the PROGGIES silent on this? Why aren't they def...
- Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:03 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
HUMSAFAR Whether you like it or not, credible or not. I did answer your questions how I felt right. BUT you have dodged my SIMPLE question more than 6 times. Call me stubborn, but dodging a simple question like that multiple times, reflects TOTAL cowardice? WHAT IS YOUR BELIEF/SECT OF ISLAM YOU FOL...
- Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:40 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
- Replies: 59
- Views: 12680
Re: Q 36:12 is Proof of Imamat - Taher Saifuddin
Thank you Profastian That is correct. I would also like to add : The real issue is the Tafseer of the Quran and the authority each person follows. Each sect does tafseer of the Quran in accordance to its own belief. For example PORUS keeps stating that the infallibility of the Panjatan from the Aya...
- Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:58 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
Sure.
I'll just wait for my replies if you don't mind. Then i'll decide whether to hang around.
Have a good day
I'll just wait for my replies if you don't mind. Then i'll decide whether to hang around.
Have a good day
- Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:00 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
@ PORUS You have made it very clear that you are NOT a DB, rather a kind of interested researcher in this subjects. I have accepted and respected your views, and even though I would like you to refrain from making comments against the DB faith, I cannot. But again, you are out of the DB circle, and...
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:15 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
Bawa Adam bhai stubbornwalla, Simple and short, I only follow and believe the Dias who have expressed quality of Ahlal-bait and Imams. I dont see that in the last two Dais because i believe they have overthrown the Imam-uz-zaman and deviating from the true DB tradition and Quran for the sake of pow...
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:30 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
I started off this thread, with a very innocent (honestly) idea of inquiring about the belief of the Forum members, ie which sect of Islam they followed. As expected for most, it went off topic and many repetitive issues were raised. Thus, it's a no-win situation. Progs/Wahabi s won't be convinced ...
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:06 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Orthodox v/s Progressive - A Slight Observation.
- Replies: 58
- Views: 7475
Re: Orthodox v/s Progressive - A Slight Observation.
STRANGER. Correct observation. I have made this clear a few times. There are those who insult everything beginning of the Ahlul Bayt AS. My understanding of why the Progs seize to defend Shia/Fatimid/DB belief when the time arises, is their hate for Syedna TUS unites them with the Wahabi/Sunnis. So...
- Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:48 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: why I dont give misaaq to syedna any more?
- Replies: 13
- Views: 2868
Re: why I dont give misaaq to syedna any more?
I'd rather answer :
Don't want to prove. Since you're happy as you are, don't worry about Syedna TUS.
If your happy with your "Imam uz Zaman". Good for you. Good luck and wish you all the best!
Wahabi s out there want to explain to him that even the Imam uz Zaman belief is wrong?
Don't want to prove. Since you're happy as you are, don't worry about Syedna TUS.
If your happy with your "Imam uz Zaman". Good for you. Good luck and wish you all the best!
Wahabi s out there want to explain to him that even the Imam uz Zaman belief is wrong?
- Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:45 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: State your belief
- Replies: 220
- Views: 24343
Re: State your belief
Waiting for a reply for my reply to FEAR ALLAH. taking the easy way out is it adam? why havent you addressed my post? if all that i have stated is true based on your own logic and arguments, then can you please acknowledge so we can put this debate to bed? No wasn't taking the easy way out. Honestl...
- Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:48 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Kibitzing-One on one debate-Adam Vs Humsafar
- Replies: 11
- Views: 1004
Re: Kibitzing-One on one debate-Adam Vs Humsafar
I was wondering why my quotes on the Humsafar Debate thing wasn't being put up! So, I'll just paste it hear. This is ONLY for HUMSAFAR. According to me, this discussion wont get too far, because authenticity issues will arise at every step. If a common ground was established, it would be of more us...