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- Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:19 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
However, what he forgets is that M. Ali and Imam Hussain are the only ones (of the five) who are called the Panjatan, i.e. the Five Purified Ones. This is directly mentioned in the Qur’an and no Shia disputes that the Verse of Purification refers to them and only them. Actually, the purposeful misi...
- Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:53 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Ok. That is one way to look at it. But it doesn't make any sense. If the war of Karbala was a religious war, then was Yazid fighting to preserve the deen? Definitely not. Was he fighting to expand his empire? kind of yes since if Hussain would've agreed to accept him as his khalifa, Yazid would've h...
- Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:03 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
You didn't answer my question though. What is the difference between a religious war and a political war? What is the criteria to classify a war as one or the other? Since you are absolutely certain about Karbala being a religious war and not political, you should be able to answer that question fai...
- Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:11 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
So no one can tell me the difference between a religious war and a political war as per the Shia/Bohra?
- Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:26 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
secondly only some radicals and ahle sunnat wa jamaat beleive siffin was politcal war. some say there is some ambiguious ness in it ok --even if it was a politcal war Karbala was definitely not by any stretch of imagination. Can you please tell me the differences between a war that is religious and...
- Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:02 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Aw come on. Muawiyah and Yazid are the cornerstone of bohra religion. They get mentioned almost as much as Ali and Hussain if not more. So much so that the last few bohra Dais actually followed in the footsteps of Muawiyah and Yazid (as we both agree). And other Shias too who value their Gaddi far m...
- Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:39 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
So religion can be separated from politics? We can remove Muawiyah and Yazid from the picture (as you suggest removing tyrants from the picture) or not (maybe you want to remove only some tyrants from the picture and not all?) cause then it doesn't suit our political agenda? Sorry I am getting my lu...
- Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:50 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
But since as per you, religion cannot be separated from politics where does that leave people like you? No longer Muslims? Same as those who follow Muawiyah and Yazid? Unable to follow the teachings of the prophet (ﷺ) because your leaders are corrupt? Or can you go back to the times when things were...
- Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:52 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
If it wasn't politics then it was religion and if so, then I have some bad news for brother Biradar. His Dai and his Dai's competitor are all following the religion of Muawiya and Yazid who were ready to split the Ummah rather than accept someone else as the true successor. They gave the gaddi to th...
- Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:38 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Kya hua? Pol khul gayi? Saare Ali waale tere Jaise jhoote hai kya?
- Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:23 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Abe aql ke aur ankh ke andhe. Dikha de kahan par Muawiya ko RA kaha hai. Aur agar nahin dikha saka to chullu bhar pani le aur doob ja.
- Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:10 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
- Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:09 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (ra), Hazrat Umar Farooq (ra), Hazrat Uthman ibn Affan (ra) and Hazrat Ali (ra) these are the 4 rightly guided khalifas of Islam. Muawiyah was a politician who wanted power for himself and his son just like the bohra Dais of today, the ayatollahs of Iran or the Kings of Saudi ...
- Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:15 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Both cannot be right. But both can definitely be wrong.anyone who mentions ra besides the name of whom, who faught with rightly guided caliph deserves LA after his name.
you cannot claim that who fought with rightly guided caliph--both are right.
- Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:24 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
No Muawiyah was a sahabi of the prophet (ﷺ)
No he was not.
No he was.
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1400 years later
No he was not
No he was.
My point is, who is following in the footsteps of Muawiyah and Yazid?
No he was not.
No he was.
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1400 years later
No he was not
No he was.
My point is, who is following in the footsteps of Muawiyah and Yazid?
- Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:23 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Muawiyah is respected because he was a sahabi of the prophet (ﷺ). However, Sunni still do not consider him to be from amongst the Khulafa-e-Rashideen. The rightly guided khalifas. The bohra Dais and their sons are actually more like Muawiyah and Yazid than they are like Ali (ra) and his sons. The Bo...
- Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:32 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Khadija (ra) gets mentioned in Sunni mosques quiet frequently when the discussion is about women or about those who supported the Prophet (ﷺ) during his first and his worst days. She gets mentioned in the year of sorrow when she and the prophet's (ﷺ) uncle passed away. Salaam With all due respect, ...
- Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:05 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
- Replies: 62
- Views: 11024
Re: Why Khadijah does not get mentioned
Khadija (ra) gets mentioned in Sunni mosques quiet frequently when the discussion is about women or about those who supported the Prophet (ﷺ) during his first and his worst days. She gets mentioned in the year of sorrow when she and the prophet's (ﷺ) uncle passed away.
- Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:13 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Historical accounts of Karbala
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10806
Re: Historical accounts of Karbala
I am not saying that. Allah is saying that in the Quran. And yes, the prophet (saw) is unique and the best human being, but there is a reason why Allah chooses to call out his status in the Quran. So that people don’t do what they did to Isa (as) or what the Bohras did to Ali (ra). But hey, the foll...
- Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:01 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Historical accounts of Karbala
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10806
Re: Historical accounts of Karbala
Of course, if you plug in the Dai and the Imam in every ayah, then everything goes.
- Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:01 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Historical accounts of Karbala
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10806
Re: Historical accounts of Karbala
Here is another interesting ayah. Beauty of google search أَمِ ٱتَّخَذُواْ مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَآءَ فَٱللَّهُ هُوَ ٱلْوَلِىُّ وَهُوَ يُحْيِـى ٱلْمَوْتَىٰ وَهُوَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ How can they take protectors besides Him? Allah alone is the Protector. He ˹alone˺ gives life to the dead. And H...
- Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:24 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Historical accounts of Karbala
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10806
Re: Historical accounts of Karbala
This Brought a smile to my face. Plug in the Dai and the Imam everywhere. See the moon, plug in the Dai, see the women, plug in the Dai, see the river of honey, plug in the Dai :-) Now we just have to figure out which Dai it is going to be. ;-) The key Pillar of Islam is that of walayaat, i.e. the l...
- Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:38 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Historical accounts of Karbala
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10806
Re: Historical accounts of Karbala
Wouldn't the companions of the Ark be the animals that were loaded on the ark in pairs? They were definitely not companions of Nuh(as). Unless the animals are the taawil for something?
- Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:11 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Historical accounts of Karbala
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10806
Re: Historical accounts of Karbala
Forgot to add the Alavi Bohra Dai to the mix. Yeah he claims the exact same thing.
- Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:10 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Historical accounts of Karbala
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10806
Re: Historical accounts of Karbala
It is amazing how the STFs and SMSs and SMBs will not miss an opportunity to glorify themselves or to justify their claims to power. Doesn’t matter if it is on the backs of the martyrdom of Ali (ra) or Hussein (ra).
- Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:00 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
- Replies: 39
- Views: 10498
Re: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
Bro Biradar, Thanks for clarifying your stance. Everything Ali knew about the Quran, he was taught by the prophet (ﷺ). I am 100% in agreement with that. However, whatever was taught to Ali was by no means special or only for Ali. It was being taught to every other Sahaba who cared to learn from the ...
- Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:33 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
- Replies: 39
- Views: 10498
Re: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
The fact that the Quran was revealed upon the Prophet (ﷺ) is mentioned in the Quran. The Quran wasn't revealed BY the prophet (ﷺ). It was revealed TO him. But the taawil wasn't revealed to Ali. It was revealed BY Ali!! What does that mean? Ali is the better than Allah?
- Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:10 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
- Replies: 39
- Views: 10498
Re: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
{It is reported that Ali and his slave Qanbar brought the completed text (which apparently was very voluminous) but the people rejected it. Ali then exclaimed that "By God! You will never see it again. My duty was only to inform you when I had collected it".} I believe this entire incident...
- Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:48 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
- Replies: 39
- Views: 10498
Re: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
Though, it is possible that this refers to the Eternal Tablet.
The eternal tablet is not revealed. (Nazzalna) only the Quran is revealed. So no this ayah does not refer to the eternal tablet.
The eternal tablet is not revealed. (Nazzalna) only the Quran is revealed. So no this ayah does not refer to the eternal tablet.
- Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:44 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
- Replies: 39
- Views: 10498
Re: One step that will change your life and bring more understanding about Islam
First, the preservation of the Quran is guaranteed by Allah in the Quran itself. إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ Behold, it is We Ourselves who have bestowed from on high, step by step, this reminder? and, behold, it is We who shall truly guard it [from all corruption]....