The Qur'an-Basic Teachings

[Muslim First]

The Qur'an-Basic Teachings

CHAPTER I

The OPENING

Qur'an 1:1-7

MUHAMMAD'S FIRST CALL

Qur'an 96:1-8

THE SECOND CALL

Qur'an 74:1-7

UNIVERSAL CALL

Qur'an 2:177

FINAL CALL

Qur'an 5:3

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Brothers and Sisters in Islam;

AS

I will be posting 'Basic Teachings of Islam' as time permits. I will not post texts of Ayahs. It is up to you to look-up your preferred translation. Please study it. Those who are prevented from reading any translations may approach their Amils for their 'Tawil'. Brother Porus our resident 'Aarabist' is always ready to help.

JAK and wasalaam
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[Muslim First]

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CHAPTER II

THE BOOK

INVOCATION TO BOOK

Qur'an 2:2-5

DIVINE ORIGINS

Qur'an 32:2-3

Qur'an 2:23-24

Qur'an 10:36-39

NATURE AND MISSION

Qur'an 17:9-10

Qur'an 10:57

Qur'an 5:48

Qur'an 5:15-16

Qur'an 2:185

TRUTH AND FALSEHOOD

Qur'an 17:81-82

QUR'AN ON A MOUNTAIN

Qur'an 59:21

JINN AND THE QUR'AN

Qur'an 46:29-32

HEARING THE QUR'AN

Qur'an 7:204-206 (Sajda at the end)

Qur'an 17:45-48

Qur'an 97:1-5

HOW TO RECITE THE QUR'AN

Qur'an 16:98-100

Qur'an 56:75-80

Qur'an 17:105-109

Qur'an 20:114

Qur'an 75:16-19

REFLECTION ON THE QUR'AN

Qur'an 39:29

Qur'an 4:82

FOLLOWING THE BOOK

Qur'an 6:155
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[anajmi]

Br. Muslim First,

This is a nice thread. Hope you don't mind if I post some ayahs from the quran. I will post the Arabic text and not any translation.

[Gulf]

Good Thread in wrong forum...or atleast in wrong section.

Adimin may move to Islam Today section..

[Muslim First]

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Adim.

Pl. continue on this forum since lager readership and participation

Wasalaam
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[Zeal]

Good one MF,
Though some people might sneak in to criticise as usual.

[Muslim First]

PART II

Divine Principles

CHAPTER III

THE IDEA OF ALLAH

Qur'an 13:28

ALLAH THE UNIQUE

Qur'an 112:1-4

Qur'an 29:56-57

Qur'an 29:60

Qur'an 28:68-70

Qur'an 2:255

ALLAH THE CREATOR

Qur'an 6:95-104

Qur'an 27:60-65

ALLAH THE PRIME MOVER

Qur'an 21:19-29

ALLAH THE ONE

Qur'an 23:78-92

ALLAH THE SOVEREIGN

Qur'an 3:26-27

Qur'an 25:45-50

Qur'an 42:9-13

ALLAH THE OMNIPRESENT

Qur'an 2:115

ALLAH THE MERCIFUL

Qur'an 11:90

Qur'an 42:19

Qur'an 18:59

Qur'an 42:25

Qur'an 11:90

Qur'an 4:110-111

Qur'an 39:53-54

Qur'an 7:156

Qur'an 6:54

ALLAH THE LIGHT

Qur'an 24:35-45

Qur'an 28:71-73

ALLAH'S SIGNS

Qur'an 30:20-27

Qur'an 40:61-68

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THE MAN-ALLAH RELATIONSHIP: ITS FOUNDATIONS

(a) The Love of Allah

Qur'an 2:165

(b) Thankfulness

Qur'an 2:172

(c) Heedfulness

Qur'an 16:1-2

(d) Service and Worship

Qur'an 29:17

(e) Remembrance

Qur'an 20:13-15

(f)Obedience

Qur'an 22:34-35

Qur'an 7:3

Qur'an 9:31

(g) Seeking His Help

Qur'an 1:4

Qur'an 3:160

Qur'an 10:84-87

Qur'an 3:191-194

(h) Total Dedication

Qur'an 6:162-163
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[Muslim First]

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Br. anjmi; AS
You may post translation if you desire. Don't be afraid of Bully.

Wasalaam

Br. Zeal

There is nothing to critisize but to learn and increse you knowledge of Deen

Wasalaam
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[anajmi]

Br. Muslim First,

I don't get bullied. The only reason I am not posting translations is to show the others on this board how people like porus make it difficult for others to understand the quran. Besdies, by taking Yusuf Ali out of the equation, I have pretty much ended the debate about translations.

[porus]

anajmi,

I have, wherever possible, tried to offer an alternative, almost literal, translation if I do not like Yusufali or another 'received' translation. Would you not agree?

Of course, you may continue to reject my interpretation, as you have done in the past. However, if you think that my translation is incorrect you can always get an Arabic scholar to verify it.

I think you should post the entire Quran here. I mean the Quran, in its original Arabic version, without your comments. I will have absolutely no comment to make on those postings.

On the other hand, just provide links. There are hundreds of those.

I guarante that almost no one except you will respond to the 'content' (the Quran translations) of what MF is posting. After some congratulatory messages, his postings will go to Forum Heaven.

I will wait to be proven wrong.

[Muslim First]

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CHAPTER IV

THE UNSEEN

Qur'an 1:123

Qur'an 16:77

KEYS TO UNSEEN

Qur'an 6:59-62

Qur'an 13:8-11

ALLAH THE ALL KNOWING

Qur'an 31:34

Qur'an 59:22-24

ALLAH’S TRUST

Qur'an 33:72

ALLAH’S WORDS

Qur'an 18:109-110

Qur'an 31:27-30

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[anajmi]

porus,

If I were to look at an arabic dictionary, I would be able to produce a literal translation of the quran. Will I trust my translation? Definitely not. Even though I am a believer. So do you think I would trust your translation/interpretation? Absolutely not.

And don't you think if I were to post the entire quran over here in Arabic without any comments, it would be construed as stupidity? I post ayahs or their translations if they are relevant to the discussion at hand. And Yusuf Ali's translation is far superior than what you will ever be able to produce, mainly because he was a believer and you are not. For eg, he understands where in La ilaha illallah, Allah is referring to himself and where he is referring to other deities. You do not.

Of course, you may continue to reject my interpretation, as you have done in the past. However, if you think that my translation is incorrect you can always get an Arabic scholar to verify it.

As I have shown in many instances, I actually didn't need an arabic scholar to show that your translation was incorrect. Besides, would you accept the explanation of an Arabic scholar if he were to say that your translation was incorrect? For eg. according to your translation, there is no god, quran is not the word of God and God is schizophrenic. I think most Arabic scholars will disagree with that.

And it doesn't matter if this thread goes into "Forum Heaven". I have been participating on this board for over 6 years and have learnt a lot from threads that are currently in "Forum Heaven". Besides, if I think something is important for me to post, I will post, hoping that someone will read. It doesn't matter if no one does.

[Muslim First]

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CHAPTER V

THE STORY OF CREATION

Qur'an 13:2-3

FRESH AND SALT WATER

Qur'an 35:12

BEES AND HONEY

Qur'an 16:68-69

THE FLY

Qur'an 22:73

Qur'an 32:4-9

Qur'an 55:14-16

Qur'an 23:12-14

Qur'an 7:189-195

MAN:
ALLAH’S REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH

Qur'an 7:11-26

Qur'an 31:27-30

DIABOLIS’FALL

Qur'an 38-:71-85

Qur'an 20:115-126

MAN’S NATURE

Qur'an 4-:28

Qur'an 21:37

Qur'an 70:19-35

Qur'an 75-:31-40

Qur'an 50:16-18

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[porus]

Originally posted by anajmi:
according to your translation, there is no god, quran is not the word of God and God is schizophrenic.

You must identify which ayats of the Quran I have translated thus:

"there is no god, quran is not the word of God and God is schizophrenic."

Another of your silly and baseless accusations.

About the schizophrenic God, remember the question mark? If your God wills one thing and at the same time he wills its opposite, then he is schizophrenic.

I did not say there is no God, I said that he is not knowable because he is beyond any human attributes you can assign him. And humans can only think in terms of human attributes. Therefore your idea of God is a figment of your imagination.

As to Quran being word of God, may be it is. But there is no way of knowing that to be true. It is as you say a matter of faith, which is inculcated during child rearing.

I will no longer discuss Quran with you. Thanks for the dialogs.

[anajmi]

which is inculcated during child rearing.

I am not sure what was inculcated in your head when you were being reared. Maybe you were "special".

I did not say there is no God, I said that he is not knowable because he is beyond any human attributes you can assign him. And humans can only think in terms of human attributes. Therefore your idea of God is a figment of your imagination.

No, my idea of God is from the quran and the hadith, not a figment of my imagination. Your idea of God, however, is a figment of your imagination as per your own acknowledgment, because otherwise there is no way of knowing that "he is not knowable because he is beyond any human attributes you can assign him". The quran says nothing of that sort.

If God is not knowable then chances are he does not exist, because if he does, then what is the point in him remaining unknowable? Shouldn't he make himself known so that people can do good and stay away from the bad and follow his commandments? Which is exactly what he does by sending messengers.

And as I explained before, God does not will opposite things at the same time. It is simply your understanding which is lacking.

Now according to you God is not knowable, he is inaccesible, the quran is inaccesible, isn't that your interpretation of the religion of Islam? or the quran? Now if I point out that your interpretation of the quran is that God is not knowable that he is inaccesible and that the quran is inaccesible, will you ask me to point out the ayahs that you translated to say that?

Let us not play games with the words of Allah.

The reason you said God is schizophrenic is because of the ayahs that I quoted about God where he puts a seal on the hearts of the disbelievers and at the same time asking the believers to spread his message. You translated that as "God is schizophrenic".

You know, my rearing turned out to be pretty good. I will always be ready to discuss quran with you.

[profrog]

how do you explain the discrpencies in the quran,and there are so many ayats which have not been translated

[Hussain_KSA]

Prof Frog : As far as blievers are concerned they blieves that God has reason for it and he only know that, but if you really want to know that translation according to Ismaili faith you have to go through library of Kothar (if you have access) there are number of books on Tawil. These books were taken back from the Mumeneens during the Period of Sydena Taher saifuddin Saheb. As per current tradition only Dai knows the Tawil and has right to interpret the Quran.
At that time three families did not return back their stock of fatimi litrature and subsequently ex-communicated. One of those families was Dr. Zahid Ali's family. The books of Dr. Zahid Ali later donted to Ismaili Library (Agha Khan) in London. Second Family was Hadani family. Dr. Abbas Hamdani (USA) still posesses the books. There are some more in India but just scared to be identified because of their relatives and kothars wrath.

[Hussain_KSA]

Sorry : It should be read Pro Frog and Books of Zahid ali donated to......

Sorry again

[Humsafar]

No, my idea of God is from the quran and the hadith

How can you be sure that the Quran is not a figment of somebody's imagination? And please spare me the comeback: "because the quran says its a word of god". Let's be a little more sophisticated.

[Zeal]

Humsafar,
Are you sure you are a human being ?
Lets be a little more practical

[anajmi]

Humsafar,

In an earlier post of mine, I did reply to that particular question even though it was not asked. Even if the quran is a figment of somebody else's imagination, it is still not a figment of my imagination, right?

My idea of god is still from the quran and the sunnah of the prophet.

Is that sophisticated enough for you?

profrog,

What did your mola have to say about them? Do you even have the balls to ask him? If you are really interested in knowing, post the discrepancies over here as there are enough learned people who can answer them.

[Humsafar]

anajmi,

...it is still not a figment of my imagination, right

The point is, it is still a figment. It doesn't matter of whose imagination. Still, I would trust my own imagination than somebody else's.

Zeal,

Let me put it in a way that you would understand: I'm a human being possessed by a "devil". And the word devil is open to interpretation.

[Zeal]

Humsafar,
Thanks for putting it my way.
I think I do not need an interpretation of the word devil at least on this board.

I know of bigger scholarly devils on this board:-)
Many will agree !

[Zeal]

Humsafar,
Thanks for putting it my way.
I think I do not need an interpretation of the word devil at least on this board.

I know of bigger scholarly devils on this board:-)
Many will agree !

[anajmi]

Humsafar,

You aren't being too sophisticated. Infact you are being dishonest. I do not believe the quran is the figment of anyone's imagination. You do. So I am not trusting anyone's imagination. Least of all, your's and porus'.

[anajmi]

Consider this, in the last 14 centuries, hundreds of millions of fictional books have been written. Books that have been a figment of the author's imagination. Not a single author (other than the author of the quran) has claimed that his book is the truth.

If the quran is a work of the prophet's imagination, I have to say, he is the smartest man on earth to date. He has convinced people the way no one else has even dared to. Not a single author of fiction that I know of has claimed his book to be the truth and even if they have (I do not know of any) I don't think the believers in those books survived a new generation.

Allah says in the quran, produce a single surah like it and take help from whoever you want and you still won't be able to do it. The challenge still stands.

I used to wonder how difficult would it be to just write three sentences (that is the shortest surah in the quran) in Arabic. I then realised, it wasn't just the writing of 3 sentences, but it was replicating the effect that the quran has had on mankind, which was the challenge.

Then I want to take this opportunity to summarize my discussion with porus over the last few weeks.

In the beginning we were told the it was necessary to learn Arabic to be able to understand the quran. There was a lot of back and forth on that. I argued that if I were to learn Arabic would my interpretation of the quran be any better than that of Yusuf Ali who knew better Arabic than I could ever learn?

Then we heard that it was not possible to understand the quran even if we knew Arabic. We had a lot of back and forth on that too. We apparently wouldn't be able to understand Shakespeare and evey book written more than a hundred years before, cause the spoken language goes through a change every so often.

Then we heard that the quran was inaccessible and God was inaccessible for some weird reason the science behind which, I am still trying to figure out.

And then finally we come back to "figment of your imagination".

And then when nothing else works "rearing as a child" is always there to hide behind.

[Humsafar]

anajmi,

I do not believe the quran is the figment of anyone's imagination.

Back to my original question? How can you be so sure.

Zeal,

The concept of devil is one of the most ingenious of theological devices. Especially in the dualistic world of revealed religions, the devil (satan) is a perfect foil for god. I would argue that god needs devil more than we need god. Why? Becuase without the villain (devil) few would believe in the hero (god). Besides, the devil is god's default escapegoat or fall guy or wild card. Everything that goes wrong can be conveneintly blamed on the devil, and the poor chap is not going to complain. Is he?

Let say, for example, when people do not agree with your particular religious point of view, you can always say "it's not their fault, the devil has entered their soul." It's like neo-cons (baby Bush and gang) who retort when asked why "terrorists" target the US, "because they hate America." In both cases, the answer comes like a reflex, doesn't require you to think.

You not only readily accepted my "devillish" (no pun intended) solution, but further went on to create a hierarchy of devils. But I must agree porus is the biggest devil of all (on this board)!!

[anajmi]

Humsafar,

Just as you are sure it is, I am sure it is not. You don't have any proof do you? It's just your faith.

[anajmi]

Humsafar,

Your explanation about the devil ain't too original. Most people who do not believe in God give that explanation. There really is not other explanation for them. Besides, if God truly exists, do you actually think he needs the devil to convince us? No he does not. He is God after all. See if people had understood the concept of God they wouldn't come up with these silly arguments.

The devil is there simply like Bush is there or Saddam was there.

Let say, for example, when people do not agree with your particular religious point of view, you can always say "it's not their fault, the devil has entered their soul."

I am not sure I have ever said something like that either to you or to porus have I? Infact I think it is entirely your fault, that is why you will be punished for it.

[Humsafar]

If the quran is a work of the prophet's imagination, I have to say, he is the smartest man on earth to date.

I cannot but agree with you. No single man in such a short period of time (23 years of his prophethood) has had so dramatic and far-reaching influence on the world as prophet Mohammed. It's not for nothing that he is generally acknowledged as the most influential personality in recorded history.

He has convinced people the way no one else has even dared to.

He did convince hundreds of people (I'm guessing) during his lifetime. After his death though, the spread of Islam of out of his hands. It came in the wake of Islamic imperialism which it seems he neither intended nor predicted.

Not a single author of fiction that I know of has claimed his book to be the truth

Right. Because they were writing fiction and don't need to claim otherwise. But if we are talking about a book of truth, let's say physics, then there are probably more people who accept that as truth than any other book.

...and even if they have (I do not know of any) I don't think the believers in those books survived a new generation.

Fiction writers normally do no not have standing armies to make people read their books. But when it comes to facts, people have accepted truths of physics generation after generation.

Allah says in the quran, produce a single surah like it and take help from whoever you want and you still won't be able to do it. The challenge still stands.

I'm given to understand that certain passages in the Quran are unsurpassed in beauty and poetry. And I've no hard time accepting that. But the challenge itself, I find it quite vain, something that only a human plagued with self-doubt would condescend to do. Think about this: Let's accept that Allah is the author of the Quran, now would He, given all his power, glory and infinite capacity, cheapen Himself by challenging mortals to do what He can do? I don't think so. Such an idea would not cross the mind of a God who is confident of his work. Those who don't believe in His words, He should have said, can go to the devil.

Even so, if someone took up the challenge what are the criteria, standards of judging the entry? But then it's not just that, but "replicating the effect that the quran has had on mankind, which was the challenge."

Well if sheer numbers is the criterion then there are more non-muslims than Muslims. Does it mean other divine books and messages are winning. You can make what you will of this.