Burhani Guards

[SBM]

I like to know if Burhani Guards are paid employees or are they volunteers, if they are volunteers and they give so much time in preparation of Ashara Venue or Khidamat guzari of Kothris, how are their families supported?
Can some one from the other side of spectrum honestly tell everyone here about the amount spend on Ashra Venue preparations
including working hours and material as well as labor? Who pays for all these expenses? Can the money be used for other better purposes like lowering Saabils and Wajebaats so Ayman Abids of the world do not have to suffer due to local corrupt but appointed Aamils with Raza of Syedna(Raza of Aqa Moula is not my words but the words of Aamils and others pointed out every time on Malumaat and other forums as well as the Farmans, as nothing gets done without the Raza of Aqa Moula TUS)

[incredible]

I guess these people are self motivated helpers.

[ozmujaheed]

Bro Oma you will be surprised how much volunteering time Bohra men have...you know they practise jaan se qurban literally , the misaq oath.

But we should not mind that , it is their time and their motivation.

Dont people like AZ, GM S Insaff similarly contribute their time to this website and cause ?

[S. Insaf]

If one looks at the history of Burhani Scout and Burhani Guard it will be notice that they are the products of frustration and fear looming large in to Syedna Saheb's administration after mass revolt in Udaipur in 70s. Their members are rowdy elements employed to attack reformists, break houses and offices, to attack Jamiya ustads, Mazoon-e-Dawat, Tazoon Shakir and general Muslims during Kothar's Tamashas with or without provocation. They get charged and fearless especially when Syedna Saheb is around.

[aziz]

if one looks at history of s insaaf aka the snake he will notice that he is a product of frustration and bad intentions and jealousie looming largely due to the fact that he has become very very insignificant in the last 2 decades or so,this is a person who as he claims was an insider at badri mahal before and now is nothing, so what does he do? first is start calling the people who usurped moula ali sa and did zulm on panjatan hazrats in order to gain sunni wahabbi popularity on this forum,then start quoting non existent happenings like mazoon being beaten or taizoon shakir incident whose father by the way is aamil of san francisco even now to show thatand try to prove that he is still an insider at badri mahal as he would like to be .
next attack he makes is on maatam of imam hussein sa and vaez of syedna ,all his remarks in other threads about ashara not being held in mumbai this year have bitten the dust and bohras are arriving in thousands to mumbai,right now he is rightly so burning with hasad and indignancy at being sidelined from his rightful position as an insider at badri mahal hence all this lies and false innuendos,

he claimed due to politics it will not be in mumbai then he claimed that it would be saifee mahal but now the whole dawwodi bohra world knows that ashara 1432 inspite of people like inssap (iblis) will be at saifee masjid and in vicinity of all other fellow muslims ,and there is nothing he can do about this


insaaf see all this and burn with envy and you will burn even more after you die

[aziz]

see you in mumbai ashara 1432 with moula tus inshallah,will not be surprised if the snake comes to attend the vaez in order to criticise later

[aziz]

like i said insaap will even fight for the rights of snakes and scorpions when it suits him in his adawat of moula tus,thats the person he is,,
the proof is there for all to see when he calls the three hazrats

[mumin]

getting back on the subject. Most of the burhani guards and even the marsia reciters are emplyed by the bohri shop owners in saddar bohri bazar and other bohri establishments. they ask the shop owners who are also bohri's to give them paid leave since they are going to give their duty in burhani guards or are in the marsia party. So their volountry duty is indirectly paid for by the bohra dukaan seth. If paid leave is not given by the seth then he is reported to the local amil and serious consequences can take place for this bohri shop owner. most of these people in burhani guards are nothing short of scums of society. They are illeterate and the bohri dukan is the best source of employment.

[Al Zulfiqar]

like i said insaap will even fight for the rights of snakes and scorpions when it suits him in his adawat of moula tus,thats the person he is,,
the proof is there for all to see when he calls the three hazrats

aziz,

your hatred for reformists has blinded you to the simple fact that ali never said laanat on the 1st 3 khalifas or acted against them in any way. in fact he gave unhesitatingly of his advice to them whenever he was approached, he named several of his sons after them (from wives he married after the death of fatima), gave his daughters in marriage to them, and among the 72 shohoda of kerbala were sons and nephews of ali, hussain and hassan who were named after the first 3 khalifas, facts which you are ignorant of and are being deliberately kept in the dark about.

if you are a shia and staunch follower of ali, then you are acting in total contradiction to his life, behaviour and principles. you are a jaahil, anti-shia and stupid fool who sullies the reputation and integrity of the great ali. if you are a classic example of a kafir praja, what does it say about yr raja???

as for fighting for the rights of animals and all living creatures, it is well known that the prophet and ali preached kindness and compassion towards them and advocated their humane treatment. he once saw an emaciated, hungry and thirsty dog by the wayside and stopped to fetch it some water and food, equating it to an act of kindness to any human being, and one which would take a believer closer to jannat.

even snakes and scorpions are god's creation and have the right to live, they have their places ordained in the divine scheme of things. your attitude and approach are worse than the venom of these creatures. atleast they use it only to defend themselves, you on the other hand use it wantonly and insult the greatness of ali, whose shia you claim to be,

[aziz]

AZ you have started quoting sunni wahabbi texts to argue,where did you get the knowledge that ali sa never said laanat on those who usurped him and slapped and whipped his wife fatima as when she was pregnant ,,,,the fact that you call them khalifas says a lot about your shia beliefs



if snakes and scorpions are gods creation therefore acceptable then so is pig ,cocaine, heroin whisky and other haraam things, are they also acceptable to you, then even the people who murdered imam hussein are gods creation according to your perverted thinking,including the person who killed moula ali sa also,


talking about venom everybody who has eyes and can read your posts will know who has the most venom and why thats the case ask insaaf who has read all the haqiqat books and knows the answers on what will happen to him and you when you die and why you the venom in you and why i abused snakes and scorpions ,,insaaf knows the answers to this

[canadian]

AZ you have started quoting sunni wahabbi texts to argue,where did you get the knowledge that ali sa never said laanat on those who usurped him and slapped and whipped his wife fatima as when she was pregnant ,,,,the fact that you call them khalifas says a lot about your shia beliefs



if snakes and scorpions are gods creation therefore acceptable then so is pig ,cocaine, heroin whisky and other haraam things, are they also acceptable to you, then even the people who murdered imam hussein are gods creation according to your perverted thinking,including the person who killed moula ali sa also,


talking about venom everybody who has eyes and can read your posts will know who has the most venom and why thats the case ask insaaf who has read all the haqiqat books and knows the answers on what will happen to him and you when you die and why you the venom in you and why i abused snakes and scorpions ,,insaaf knows the answers to this

Bro. Az:

I think you and other reformists can never win. Wow!
The last two dais and their henchmen have done a perfect job of transforming one of the most decent communities in to a bunch of zombies who have nothing but hatred towards any one who does not follow their leaders.

[Al Zulfiqar]

AZ where did you get the knowledge that ali sa never said laanat on those who usurped him and slapped and whipped his wife fatima as when she was pregnant ,,,,the fact that you call them khalifas says a lot about your shia beliefs
if snakes and scorpions are gods creation therefore acceptable then so is pig ,cocaine, heroin whisky and other haraam things, are they also acceptable to you, then even the people who murdered imam hussein are gods creation according to your perverted thinking,including the person who killed moula ali sa also,

aziz, the more you post, the more you expose your immaturity, ignorance, cheap character and gutter upbringing.

1. do you deny the well-documented history that ali gave his daughters in marriage to uthman and umar?
2. do you deny that he had sons from wives he subsequently took after fatima died and named them after the first 3 khalifas?
3. do you deny that among the 72 shohoda of kerbala, all close family members of ali, hassan and hussain, were adult males named after the first 3?
4. with all your ranting, raving and foul language, can you overturn the events of history? if ali did not take up arms against the first 3 inspite of hundreds and thousands willing to give him support with arms, horses and money, he refused to say a single vile word against them, are you and the syedna greater than ali? if you have proof that in fact he did curse, abuse and slander the first 3, then show us your proof from any of our scriptures and books. do not swallow the lies being dished out by our evil kothar as they have a sinister agenda in exploiting and misquoting history and emotionally blackmailing fools like you.
5. Allah himself has declared certain things haraam in the quran and the prophet has further elucidated it with his own behaviour and teachings. by giving stupid examples, you are only shooting yrself in the foot.

your postings are so childish, puerile and foolish, that i do not think i will waste my time anymore answering them.

[Maqbool]

The Aziz like people are here to sabotage the topics and to derail from the main subject, because they are here for that purpose only and are neck deep in what ilm is given to them.

My request is all of you to please stick to the main subject and ignore the persons who are here for their devious mission.

[asif786]

1. do you deny the well-documented history that ali gave his daughters in marriage to uthman and umar?
2. do you deny that he had sons from wives he subsequently took after fatima died and named them after the first 3 khalifas?

Bro AZ

How can Ali a.s marry his daughter umm kulsum to Umar ? Umar was Rasullahs father in law ( father of Hafsa) so he was grandfather of Fatema zahra s.a , so in relation he was great grand father of Umm kulsum . This marriage is haraam in islam .

Abubakr, Umar and uthman were common names during that period and also there were many othe great sahabas by the same names hence Panjatan name there sons abubakr , etc . How do yo prove that they Ali named them after the 3 khalifa?

[aziz]

can you prove that ali sa named them after this shaitans,those were common names ,and do not mean what you are implying,
but do you deny that umar la your khalifa slapped and whipped moulatena fatema rasullahs daughter,this is not a bohra fact but the whole shia world knows it,and you call him khalifa,,what moula ali did at that time was for safety of islam ,

from your posts its clear who is ranting and raving one moment snakes scorpions are gods creation and the other they are haraam according to quran


by your logic if somebody is named after the three shaitans then it means the three were okay thats plain stupid thinking,so then is insaaf named after syedna taher saifuddin and he hates him and is full of adawat of syedna taher saifuddin ,what happens to your logic then,

[like_minded]

by your logic if somebody is named after the three shaitans then it means the three were okay

What difference does it make? Whether they were ok or not?? Why do you want to cling on to it? Instead, why don't you focus on the present??

[guy_sam2005]

If one looks at the history of Burhani Scout and Burhani Guard it will be notice that they are the products of frustration and fear looming large in to Syedna Saheb's administration after mass revolt in Udaipur in 70s. Their members are rowdy elements employed to attack reformists, break houses and offices, to attack Jamiya ustads, Mazoon-e-Dawat, Tazoon Shakir and general Muslims during Kothar's Tamashas with or without provocation. They get charged and fearless especially when Syedna Saheb is around.

Have some decency...by now everyone knows how big liar you are...where u dont have any knowledge cant u keep shut.....
Those guys have nothin to do with rubbish u talkin bout...they do khidmat voluntarily..and that khidamat is only crowd control in most decent and helpfull manner.those who attend miqaats wit huzurala(tus) knows how much labour time and sleeples nights they put so the mehmaans visiting can be facilated in best possible manner...................
oma,

[guy_sam2005]

like i said insaap will even fight for the rights of snakes and scorpions when it suits him in his adawat of moula tus,thats the person he is,,
the proof is there for all to see when he calls the three hazrats

aziz,

your hatred for reformists has blinded you to the simple fact that ali never said laanat on the 1st 3 khalifas or acted against them in any way. in fact he gave unhesitatingly of his advice to them whenever he was approached, he named several of his sons after them (from wives he married after the death of fatima), gave his daughters in marriage to them, and among the 72 shohoda of kerbala were sons and nephews of ali, hussain and hassan who were named after the first 3 khalifas, facts which you are ignorant of and are being deliberately kept in the dark about.

if you are a shia and staunch follower of ali, then you are acting in total contradiction to his life, behaviour and principles. you are a jaahil, anti-shia and stupid fool who sullies the reputation and integrity of the great ali. if you are a classic example of a kafir praja, what does it say about yr raja???

as for fighting for the rights of animals and all living creatures, it is well known that the prophet and ali preached kindness and compassion towards them and advocated their humane treatment. he once saw an emaciated, hungry and thirsty dog by the wayside and stopped to fetch it some water and food, equating it to an act of kindness to any human being, and one which would take a believer closer to jannat.

even snakes and scorpions are god's creation and have the right to live, they have their places ordained in the divine scheme of things. your attitude and approach are worse than the venom of these creatures. atleast they use it only to defend themselves, you on the other hand use it wantonly and insult the greatness of ali, whose shia you claim to be,

Basics first,
NO bohra has any hatred for anyone.not even reformist,to be very honest i dont hate u or either mr.insaaf,i despise your lies and propoganda though.....

[SBM]

WHY A SIMPLE QUESTION ABOUT THE EXPENSE AND THE MODE OF OPERATION FOR BURHANI GUARDS TURNED INTO SHIA/SUNNI ISSUE?
Can some one please reply a simple question how do Burhani Guards support their families if they are involved with all these preparations of Ashara and Khidmat for more than 10 days at any given stretch whether during Haaj or during Ashara (it takes atleast 20 days prior-during and after Syedna's vaiz for Khidmat) How are they paid?
CAN WE COME BACK TO REAL TOPIC

[seeker110]

They are paid in roohani cheques.Just cant cash it. Unnecessary burden on society.Like the people they protect.When you do wrong,you need protection.

[Aarif]

OB,

I don't think the kotharis pay them anything. This is a voluntary activity that some hardcore abdes take up. What they get in return for their services is the sharaf and sawaab of serving the mumineen. I think it is an unpaid bohra police force use to control crowds and maintain decipline.

[Aarif]

These links might be useful in getting some anwers...

http://burhaniguardsinternational.com/rules.pdf
http://www.anjumaneshiateali.org/BurhaniGuards.html

[aqs]

WHY A SIMPLE QUESTION ABOUT THE EXPENSE AND THE MODE OF OPERATION FOR BURHANI GUARDS TURNED INTO SHIA/SUNNI ISSUE?
Can some one please reply a simple question how do Burhani Guards support their families if they are involved with all these preparations of Ashara and Khidmat for more than 10 days at any given stretch whether during Haaj or during Ashara (it takes atleast 20 days prior-during and after Syedna's vaiz for Khidmat) How are they paid?
CAN WE COME BACK TO REAL TOPIC

Burhani guards International or BGI is a group of all the different scout groups from different towns.

these scout group perform on few occasions in there home towns and enlist their services for few Miqaats like Ashara or Salgirah khidmat or whenever Sydna(tus) is in nearby town.

the group head of these scouts contacts head of BGI and tells him about the number of members who want to come for the khidmat for that particular event, he gets permission and he goes and reports to a central command center.

Maximum member of BGI come from Mumbai, Surat and Karachi, these cities have more than 2000 members enlisted locally, whenever a Miqaat is finalized for khidmat all of these members get a sms asking them to report to their group head on how many days they will be able to come for khidmat, generally if the occasion is in the same town then they come on a rotatory basis, a single member does not necessarily do khidmat for all days, but many of them are there for all the days.

group members include recent misaaq boys to very old people also who are given khidmat according to there expertise and where they can be utilized in the best way

accommodation and food for BGI members coming from out of town is arranged by local Jamaat for the Days Syedna(tus) is in town.

transportation cost is borne by members themselves and if the Miqaat is out of country sometimes they are reimbursed 50-70% of the cost but its not necessary and generally members who go have to bear their own expenses.

Maximum members come from Business class families and are one of the many male members in their families so their businesses are not affected, as i have said earlier its generally on a rotatory basis so they are not asked to attend all days for khidmat.

its a voluntary khidmat and hence not a single paisa is paid to them. In fact they pay a yearly membership fees

[guy_sam2005]

WHY A SIMPLE QUESTION ABOUT THE EXPENSE AND THE MODE OF OPERATION FOR BURHANI GUARDS TURNED INTO SHIA/SUNNI ISSUE?
Can some one please reply a simple question how do Burhani Guards support their families if they are involved with all these preparations of Ashara and Khidmat for more than 10 days at any given stretch whether during Haaj or during Ashara (it takes atleast 20 days prior-during and after Syedna's vaiz for Khidmat) How are they paid?
CAN WE COME BACK TO REAL TOPIC

well only 10% or even less guards give khidmat of haj n all that too on rotational basis...This yr ashara khdimat started only a week prior to ashara..And if ashara is in any town not only mumbai then all the committee members will have 2 put time n effort,in these period mostly employees take care of shops if the members are self employed,employees workin witl bohras are permitted leave ,guysworking wit MNC's manage their khidmat timings.like if they go for night shift they give khidmat in daytime,
There is no financial benefits u get from burhani guards or any committee in that case.its just khidmat.and there is no force on u to come and give time either its voluntary,

[aziz]

dear aqs and guy-sam,this is not the answer the progs want to hear from us ,they want to know whether the BG have gold tapes in their bathrooms and have stores of dry fruit in their houses , and where the money is coming from as the dawoodi bohras are a very poor community ,all the thousands of people me included who will spend money for going to ashara 1432 in mumbai are corrupt and have gotten money illegally,
according to progs only the poor do khdmat and that to for financial benefits there are no volunters in dawoodi bohras.

so please do not break their hearts and tell them what they want to hear

[incredible]

most of this burhani guards are so called chamchas of local amils,time what they spend in so called khidmat they look for favour of amil in future in the way of muwasaat or some kind of personal help,some also look for mullah and sheikh titles.just to show off in society.

I personally knows few of this burhani guards who eats tobacco,never prays salah,and are indulge in many haraam activities but yet they keep long beard and are always in front row to jump into any kind of tamsha's like milad organized by kothar.

there is no free lunches in world every one works for there own benefits.may be just young guys who have given recent misaaq works free just because they are kids and dont understand politics of amil and moronic kothar.

[aqs]

most of this burhani guards are so called chamchas of local amils,time what they spend in so called khidmat they look for favour of amil in future in the way of muwasaat or some kind of personal help,some also look for mullah and sheikh titles.just to show off in society.

I personally knows few of this burhani guards who eats tobacco,never prays salah,and are indulge in many haraam activities but yet they keep long beard and are always in front row to jump into any kind of tamsha's like milad organized by kothar.

there is no free lunches in world every one works for there own benefits.may be just young guys who have given recent misaaq works free just because they are kids and dont understand politics of amil and moronic kothar.

dont use a wide brush to tarnish the image of volunteers, their can be few unscrupulous fellows out there but maximum are there with one motto to do khidmat of Aqa Moula(tus)

[incredible]

most of this burhani guards are so called chamchas of local amils,time what they spend in so called khidmat they look for favour of amil in future in the way of muwasaat or some kind of personal help,some also look for mullah and sheikh titles.just to show off in society.

I personally knows few of this burhani guards who eats tobacco,never prays salah,and are indulge in many haraam activities but yet they keep long beard and are always in front row to jump into any kind of tamsha's like milad organized by kothar.

there is no free lunches in world every one works for there own benefits.may be just young guys who have given recent misaaq works free just because they are kids and dont understand politics of amil and moronic kothar.

dont use a wide brush to tarnish the image of volunteers, their can be few unscrupulous fellows out there but maximum are there with one motto to do khidmat of Aqa Moula(tus)

i respect your suggestion but what ever i have said is ugly face of 90% of volunteers.

[aqs]

dont use a wide brush to tarnish the image of volunteers, their can be few unscrupulous fellows out there but maximum are there with one motto to do khidmat of Aqa Moula(tus)

i respect your suggestion but what ever i have said is ugly face of 90% of volunteers.

thats what i am saying dont use a generalized sentence, this can be true for few individuals but not a whopping 90%. might be in your town people have ulterior motive for khidmat but i have seen people from different towns on different miqaat literally doing khidmat from jaan and maal

[SBM]

Br. Aqs
Thanks for the information
Br. Incredible
There is nothing wrong for them to get Shaikh or Mullah Titles if they are providing these services for free. In my opinion they deserve it more then others like SARKAR family or corrupt community members who can buy the titles.
Profstatin
No once again you are wrong, I just wanted to know the mode of operation which was provided very nicely by Br. Aqs without any meanness or sarcasim unlike you.