Where is Syedna Saheb?

[SBM]

Is not an odd occurance. The Kotharis who never miss
an occassion to present Syedna during Muharram Waaz
Everyone around the World is forced to watch 3-4 hours of Video of him.
How come they didnot show him praying at Bonham house in LONDON. why only audio relay.
Call me cynical but I smell conspiracy. Is some one using his voice to relay the message. They could have put all the rumours to rest by showing his live video from his Bonham house. We all know he is sick and nobody would have cared how he looks. If they could have relayed his AUDIO prayers from 11.30 pm to 4.30 AM then they could have relayed VIDEO Presentation/
I know Kotharis do visit this message board regulary,might be they can shed some light.

[Muslim]

I think a lot of people actually would have cared how he looked. If he looked too frail, that would cause panic amongst kotharis. As it is, they are shocked that he is ill and that he is not really the invincible farishta they had hoped. Like you said, we all know he is ill, and its serious enough for him not to be able to attend the mosque. What more do you really need to know? The voice on the relay was unmistakably Sayedna's.

[mumin52]

hey guys...
so u blocked one of the member call wethegreat.. why? coz he was saying the truth.. well truth is always bitter.. U r really wasting yah time n thinking who is going to be the next dai.. use tht much of yah brains in who will run yah reformist website.. hehe u guys r just limited to this shit msg broad... u dont hve n e rite to call yah self dawoodi bohra... coz urs fundamental beleive is not rite...u r just muslims i do know if u r capable of tht .. u hve got yah self de-promoted..u were born in mumineen family n due to yah parents sins tht u have landed up abusing n saying rubbish about the community.... so u all piece of shit... listen one thing...on the day of jugement inshallah i'll c u lannattís in hell.. crying n repenting of wht mistake u did by not beleiving the truth.
u guys dont worry about us.. since 900 years duáat are there after nuss after nuss..n tht will be untill imam's zoohor. May allah grant this ma'a n bawa syedna mohd burhanddin saheb longlong life wid sehat kulliya... Ameen..!!

- Mumin52

[Average Bohra]

so u blocked one of the member call wethegreat.. why? coz he was saying the truth..

You may be familar with Safai Chitti...wethegreat just lost his....and for a better reason than what you may lose yours for.

[Bohra-cpl-in-Houston]

Mumin 52 writes:

"u hve got yah self de-promoted.. "

Mumin52 - you need to go back to school "de-promoted" is not a word, its "demoted", or I guess in your case you need to go to school !!

Average Bohra, Omabharti - I think Mumin52 is feeling a little lonely since his buddy was shut out....!! and from the looks of it Mumin52 might just get popped. Do you guys notice how every time one of us raises a question or has an opinion about something these guys come in with their trash talk and it totally derails the original point of discussion...

Its so awesome to have a place where we can freely express our thoughts and also the material provided on this site took much pains and efforts to put up. I just want to say kudos to Admin, and all everyone else who has put in so much time and effort in providing us with valuable insights and information. You guys are the best!!

bohracplinhouston@yahoo.com

[tahir]

The voice in the relay was robust and didnt give any indication of illhealth. In all probability, they have relayed a a previously recorded speech. Afterall, the contents of all the "bayans" and "waaz" are more or less same and even if they differ significantly, how many people can recollect a 5 year old speech?

[trance]

I cant believe the levels you ilegitimate kinzeers stoop to !

Our Aka Mola is well on the road to recovery, inshalalah

Bohra cpl in houston , I know where your from and know who you are, your guard has been dropped

AAkhir ma dua kariyeh ke Aka mola ni umr taroze tak daraz rahe.

Ameen

[tahir]

Originally posted by trance:

Bohra cpl in houston , I know where your from and know who you are, your guard has been dropped

So you admit that one needs to guard himself against the dai and the kothar?...and that there is a kothari mossad hunting for the detractors....doesnt this show all the trappings of a greedy evil empire?

[Bohra-cpl-in-Houston]

Trance, am I supposed to be scared of you now? I'm really shaking in my boots!!

Tahir - you crack me up dude! You're right we should guard ourselves - some of these guys are more scary than HALLOWEEN ghosts !!

[mumin_mukhlish]

Bohra Cpl,
You are supposed to be scared of Hell Fire after death as well as before death as you are very well aware of what is going to happen with you after going against with dai like what happened with other dawaat na dushmans.

As mumin52 mentioned,you guys r just limited to this shit msg broad... nobody knws so called reformist outside this message board except your belowed Swami Agnivesh Evrybody knws dawoodi bohra as a follower of Syedna Muhammed Burhanuddin Saheb(TUS)

[S. Insaf]

Muslims including Dawoodi Bohra Muslims are required to be the followers of Islam and not any mortal human being.
But if you are Sayedna worshipper and not Allah worshipper then please do not call yourself Muslims or Dawoodi Bohras and degrade our faith.

[Alislam]

Below is an e-mail sent by a kothari, finding reason for Syedna's ill-health..

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Long Live Aqa Mola TUS in best of health till the day of Judgement. Mari Umar khuda mola ne aapi dejo .

My fellow mumineen, recently our beloved Mola TUS health was under extreme duress. O Sons and daughters of dawat ul haq, let me tell you

who was responsible. Badrul Jamali bs was the sole organiser of Aqa Mola tus shikar trip and he did it without Aqa Mola tus khushi (this info directly from Shaikh Mufaddal Motiwala). Does anyone know Badrul Bhaisab left for Africa 4 months in advance to prepare for the trip. Or does anyone know that this hazrat went all the way to China just to buy a tent for the hunting trip. Or does anyone know he spent $20,000/- for each shikar animal but told Mola that they were for free. This lier lied to Mola. Not only did he not lie but most importantly did not do proper shikar bandobast which was the main reason for Mola's health deterioration. I heard there were mosquitos all over the place and inside mola's accomodation!


If our 94 year aged mola tus knew of such extravagant amounts being spent he would never agree to go, and most importantly, if preparations were not right, he would not have gone there, but this clearly shows the influence and lies and deceit of this bhaisab and his friends and bosses.


Another reason for Aqa Mola tus health is Mahal-us-Saifee being raized to ground. The representative of Governor of Mecca was pushed and abused

by the "great diplomat" Mohammed Hassan which accelerated the demolision process of Mahallus saify, which was so dear to our mola as it was built by Muqaddas mola. This surely must have been very hurting and painful for Mola tus.



Even after doing all this pressure on mola tus he is still at large. why? because he is protected by the power behind all this fitnat and fasaad : his all powerful sister Zohra baisahebat binte Shehzada Najmuddin Saheb.



Mumineen have experienced that her brothers have been making money whether it is construction in Surat and Marol or issuing Passes, events like ashara and other

miqaats. and they have amassed crores. but we do not care much for that, but this is crossing the line as it is directly hurting our mola tus. badrul Jamali's face has already turned black due to the blackness of his heart. see him and confirm for your self, or look up nasim-e-sehar where his recent shikar picture shows his dark side.


if someone did harm to your father would you sit idle and not raise a hand? This is our Beloved Ruhani Father.

If one mumin can beat up khabis Engineer for doing bakwaas in front of Aqa Mola tus then Why should we spare Badrul Jamali bs and Mohammad Hasan for deterioriting Aqa Mola tus health and hurting Dawat. This is the time to act, don't spare them. show your imaani josh and put an end to their nonsense.


Syedna's Adna Gulam


Abbas Arsiwala

[Muslim]

Originally posted by tahir:
The voice in the relay was robust and didnt give any indication of illhealth.

He did mention more than once that he was ill. If it was an earlier recording why would he mention that? As much as kotharis are capable of deceit, I think your theory is a little far-fetched.

[tahir]

Originally posted by Alislam:
Below is an e-mail sent by a kothari, finding reason for Syedna's ill-health..

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... Not only did he not lie but most importantly did not do proper shikar bandobast which was the main reason for Mola's health deterioration. I heard there were mosquitos all over the place and inside mola's accomodation!

If you go for hunting a lion, beware of mosquitoes. - Anon

[tahir]

Originally posted by Muslim:
As much as kotharis are capable of deceit, I think your theory is a little far-fetched.

naivete or agenda?

[tahir]

The other day I was talking to a Sheikh saab who had been very close to the dai's family. He told me that Badrul Jamali's father Shd. Najmuddin was the brother of Burhanuddin and was a key contender for dawat. He was frustrated when the nass was passed to burhanuddin and was at constant loggerheads with his brother. Once matters went to extreme and he even publicly slapped burhanuddin. People say that Najmuddin was much more talented and a far better administrator than burhanuddin. It was he who actually masterminded the corporatisation of dawat. When he was at the helm of things the revnues of dawat increased by leaps and bounds and all the mullahs got rich. However, a caucus of mullahs close to burhanuddin always saw najmuddin as a potential threat since he couldnt reconcile himself to losing the dawat to burhanuddin and can anytime incite a rebellion (thereby exposing kothar). They hatched a plan to get rid of him and were always looking for a chance when they can make it look like an accident. They finally got the chance in Egypt where they pushed Najmuddin down from a high rise building. Needless to say that it was very easy for kothar to make this flock of a million sheep believe that it was an accident.

[jamanpasand]

everything which goes up fast have to come down fast. The recent syedna acute illness, strong rifts in his family and razing of mecca property
are few symtoms of a falling empire. Next decade will be the period of reforms which were due for the last 50 years. But this will be at the cost of many splits. There is no strong leadership after syedna burhanuddin which can take the community out of this present crises which damage. We have heard the names of few strong contenders like Muzum,Quaid Johar, Muffaddils etc. May be someone can take time and give shajra
of syedna family. This will give reader like me more understanding of the infights.
Anyway this a good forum at a very interesting juncture. Keep it up.

[tahir]

Originally posted by jamanpasand:
There is no strong leadership after syedna burhanuddin which can take the community out of this present crises which damage

burhanuddin's leadership had never been strong either...actually it were the sheep which were morally very weak..... that made the leadership look stronger.....one such weak sheep (a cross between Don Juan and Antonio Banderas with a dash of Jim Carrey) has just entered the board...

[Admin]

Juan, pls consider this as a warning. Any more tomfoolery from and you will have yourself shut out from this message board.

[Admin]

We thought we were being too nice to Juan by warning him. We did so without realising the extent of the mess he had created here. Sorry bro, you had to go. This is no place for foul-mouthed, low-life people.

[kabeer19922001]

The letter of Kothari produced by Ali salam shatters some crucial Sayedna myths:

a) Sayedna has no knowledge of the future. As such he is not "gaib na jaanaar". If he was he would have known about the Africa hunting trip disaster and the mosquitoes.

b) Sayedna is not God but a mere human. All the "qiyamat tuk jeevo" nonsense will not prevent him from reaching his final destination.

c) Sayedna has no help from Imam ul waqt. Mecca property could not be saved.

Regards

[tahir]

Originally posted by Admin:
We thought we were being too nice to Juan by warning him. We did so without realising the extent of the mess he had created here. Sorry bro, you had to go. This is no place for foul-mouthed, low-life people.

HASTA LA VISTA ESPANA.....

[tahir]

and kabeer, if u read between the lines, the letter also implies a bloody "dog eat dog" fight for the throne....like shd. najmuddin, some more of them are going to be slain.....the bohris should be prepared to add some more stops on their "52 gaam" ziyarat tour circuit.

[alsojinxed]

1) Who is this big spender and embezzler "Badrul Jamali" ?

2) Who is this trigger-happy nutjob "Abbas Arsiwala" ?