No Nass after 46Dai

[Nafisa]

It is very unfortunate that people are wasting time on this message board instead of taking action in the larger interest of the community. Nass on Mufaddal is under discussion which is useless because Mufaddal's grandfather's grandfather, 47 Abdulqadir Najmuddin was also Taghoot. He killed 46th Dai Syedna Muhammed Badruddin through poison. Badruddin Saheb expired before the announcement of the Nass . Since all are fraud Duaat -tecnically without Nass - they all are from the one and the same family. See the history, Fasaad began in the Dawat from Najmuddin 47 dai's time on a very large scale.
I understand that many senior members of the message board are well versed with this history.

[ghulam muhammed]

Excerpts from an old post by Hussain ksa :-

Syedna Tayeb Zainuddin declared nass upon Syedna Badruddin (46th Syedna son of Abdeali Saifuddin).
Syedna Badruddin was 26 years old when he took the position of Syedna and later within four years he was murdered by poisoning. (Here began the controversy of Nass)
Syedna Abdulqader Najmuddin bin Syedna Tayeb Zainuddin became 47th Syedna.
Syedna Abdulqader Najmuddin declared nass upon his brother Syedna Abdul Hussain Hussamuddin (48th Syedna).
He declared Nass upon another son of Syedna Abdulqadir Najmuddin, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (49th Syedna) and father of Syedna Taher Saifuddin.
Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin declared Nass upon Syedna Abdullah Badruddin son of Syedna Abdul hussain Hussamuddin.
Syedna Abdullah Badruddin declared nass upon his son Syedi Tayyeb who was Mukasir – e- Dawat.

History repeated itself and Syedi Tayyeb was also murdered by poisoning. Syedna Abdullah Badruddin was quite depressed over the death of his beloved son and mansoos syedi Tayyeb. He died within one and half year later. Here emerged Syedna Taher Saifuddin (51th) and the scenario changed. From 46 to 50th Dai they used to write the world Dai ul Mustauda but the 51th declare himself Dai ul Mutlaq (with absolute powers), God on earth etc.

[ghulam muhammed]

Excerpts from Mubarak's post :-

There is a verse in the Diwan of Shaikh Sadiq Ali at page 103 of the second volume of 1233 edition which runs as under:-
Dai Zoeb pehla ne chhe Badruddin khatim
Meaning: Dai Zoeb (Sayedna Zoeb bin Musa) was the first Dai-ul-Mutlaq in order and 46th Dai Badruddin (Sayedna Mohammad Badruddin bin Abdeali Saifuddin) was the last Dai-ul-Mutlaq.
This was construed to be a prophecy as Shaikh Sadiq Ali had died before the death of Sayedna Mohammad Badruddin Saheb. Late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had also refered this verse in his book "Zue-Nure-Haqqul-Mubin at page 99-103 and refuted it as misprint.

Sheikh Sadik Ali Sahib:
• Dai Zoeb pehla ne chhe Badruddin khatim
• Nuss vager che Dai but’on barabar, mat sir nit u phod mitti na devta per – this verse was written on 47th stanza, 23 stanzas were written left hand side and 23 stanzas were written on the right hand side and below that was written that 47th stanza – nuss vager che… The inference is quite clear: 23 Dai in Yemen and 23 in Hindustan and after that from 47 onward all ‘nuss vager’.

[truth seeker100]

I think we should just stop caring about this dai business and just concentrate on being good muslims by praying namaaz and doing rozaz. this dai business has nothing to do with islam

[AmmarHussaini]

we know it from years, what can be done about it?

[Habeel]

I m not sure what exactly u guys want to prove by putting up all these history. It may be right and wrong or mix of both. The fact is, arguments doesn't stop here, you can go back to conflicts of nagoshia, majdu, alevi, sulemani, jafari fitnat, mustalian-nizari, druz, qaramati, ithna ashari, Sunni-shia, Muslim vs. others and so on. How these historical fact is going to help me in my practical life, is it productive? How is it going to help? I am not saying that not to represent historical accounts but these may misguide if its not proven facts.

[morela]

Leave daees there were such power tussles even among the imams , nizari imam was also prosecuted on this account all go backs to shias rejecting. The valiphate which Ali himself patronised

[fustrate_Bohra]

I think we should just stop caring about this dai business and just concentrate on being good muslims by praying namaaz and doing rozaz. this dai business has nothing to do with islam

Brother you forgot the most important thing which according to me should be first in the list for being a GOOD MUSLIM. It is Respect and Value each and every HUMAN BEING and to be always helpful to each other I think this was the MAIN reason why ISLAM was discovered by our great beloved RasulAllah.

I had understood this very well and hence try to implement this in my daily life of whatever i can do but i also make sure doing this shouldnt hamper my responsibilities towards my dependents.

[alam]

It is very unfortunate that people are wasting time on this message board instead of taking action in the larger interest of the community. Nass on Mufaddal is under discussion which is useless because Mufaddal's grandfather's grandfather, 47 Abdulqadir Najmuddin was also Taghoot. He killed 46th Dai Syedna Muhammed Badruddin through poison. Badruddin Saheb expired before the announcement of the Nass . Since all are fraud Duaat -tecnically without Nass - they all are from the one and the same family. See the history, Fasaad began in the Dawat from Najmuddin 47 dai's time on a very large scale.
I understand that many senior members of the message board are well versed with this history.

Behen Nafisa, and GM Bhai,
are there any true followers of 46th dai syedna Muhammad Badruddin left on this planet? Or was Syedi Saadiqali Saheb (as GMbhai mentions) the last and perhaps only known follower. Wouldn't there have been a sect and schism then - during era of 47th? If no schism, how come? And who are the 48ers and why their claim?

Once again, these and many more legitimate questions have been squashed for various reasons:
1. It's way too much for anyone to fathom And maintain faith in the story of Dai succession, Imam seclusion. Sschisms in Islam have been going on since the last 1400 years, therefore it is best to not to dwell on it, just have blind faith in what you are told (usually in bayaans, sabak, vaaz, etc).
2. Systematic cover-ups, conspiracies, and outright lies and manipulations.

My own view is that Truth and fact have historically been the one and only thing that Allah has exclusive authority and patent on, so one would never know with full confidence anything other than their own perceptions and experiences. (even this, what i am saying, ha!). Therefore, recite qalema, surrender to the faith in Allah, and keep your imaan kaaamil. Simple as it sounds, it's both the hardest and easisest thing in the world to do.

[ghulam muhammed]

Behen Nafisa, and GM Bhai,
are there any true followers of 46th dai syedna Muhammad Badruddin left on this planet? Or was Syedi Saadiqali Saheb (as GMbhai mentions) the last and perhaps only known follower. Wouldn't there have been a sect and schism then - during era of 47th? If no schism, how come? And who are the 48ers and why their claim?

Excerpts of an old article which sheds some light on the subject issue and interestingly some incidents are similar to what we see today in the succession battle between MS and KQ :-

It was following the death of the 46th Bohra dai-i-mutlaq that the Daudi Bohras split and the Atb-i-Malak Jamaat came into existence. The founder of this new group, Abdul Hussain Jivaji, claimed that the 47th dai-i-mutlaq, whom the majority of the Bohras had chosen to follow, had unfairly usurped that position and that, therefore, he was not the rightful possessor of the amar (sahib-i-amar).

In his place, Jivaji claimed to be the hujjat or 'proof' of the imam, and hence, the divinely appointed leader of the Bohra community. Jivaji's claim brought him into sharp conflict with the powerful Bohra establishment, as a result of which he, along with his followers, was forced to move to Nagpur, where he set up the headquarters of his new community. He now claimed the title of malak, and christened his community the Atba-i-Malak, or 'the followers of Malak'.

From the donations of his followers he bought a large tract of land in Nagpur, which he named as Mahdibagh, and set up his headquarters there. Here he established a Mosque, a Jamaatkhana, a library, a madrasa, a clinic and an agricultural, tailoring and engineering unit, and his followers lived and worked together in a commune. Soon his name spread among the Bohras, and he succeeded in attracting many Bohras to his fold in Nagpur, Gujarat, Hyderabad, Khandesh and Ujjain.

In claiming to be the hujjat of the Imam, Jivaji based his arguments on traditional Bohra beliefs as contained in their interpretations of the Qur'an and their own texts, the Sahifa and Nasihat of their leaders. Jivaji claimed that following the death of the 46th Bohra dai-i-mutlaq the amar had passed on to four hidden leaders or mumalikins in seclusion, until the death of the fourth of these, Adamji Tayyebji of Bombay, in 1891. The last mentioned was Jivaji's father, from whom Jivaji claimed to have received the nass or appointment to the exalted post of 'proof of the imam'.

According to Jivaji, time had been divided into three cycles or daurs. The first of these was the daur-i-fatrat or the 'age of lethargy', a period of 3000 years. This was followed by the daur-i-satr, or the 'age of darkness', lasting 7000 years. Finally the daur-i-kashf or the 'age of light', that would carry on for 50,000 years. Jivaji held that he had been appointed by God to herald the end of the 'age of darkness'. The 'age of darkness', he claimed, was also period of the Prophet Muhammad and the various Bohra Imams and dai-i-mutlaqs whom the Bohras believe received the amar after him. Jivaji maintained that from 1891 to 1901 would be the ten-year period of the akhir-uz-zaman or the 'end of time', after which the amar would be passed on to the divinely appointed leader of the 'age of light', known as the Qaim. He claimed to be the one who would herald the arrival of the first Qaim, and hence also took the title of hujjat-ul-qaim. In contrast to the Prophet, imams and dai-i-mutlaqs of the 'age of darkness', Jivaji held that the Qaim would be able to openly reveal hidden divine secrets, something which, he believed, was not possible in the earlier time cycles.

Jivaji died in 1899 at the village of Korhadi, near Nagpur, soon after which a major split occurred in the Atba-i-Malak sect on the issue of his successor. On one side were the supporters of a close disciple of Jivaji, Khan Bahadur Ghulam Hussain Miyakhan Hakim. Ghulam Hussain had been appointed by Jivaji as the 'veil of the Malak' or hijab-i-malak, and was given the name of Badruddin, 'the moon of the faith'. He and his followers claimed to be the true inheritors of Jivaji's legacy, and styled themselves as the Atba-i-Malak Badra Jammat. On the other hand, were the supporters of another of Jivaji's close disciples, one Abdul Qadir Ebrahimji Chimthanawala. Abdul Qadir claimed to have been appointed by Jivaji as his legal heir or Vakil, and so he and his followers called themselves as the Atba-i-Malak Vakil Jamaat.

Besides the issue of succession to Jivaji, other factors were at work in the dispute between the Badris and Vakilis. Central to this was the sprawling headquarters of the community, the Mahdibagh commune. Both Ghulam Hussain and Abdul Qadir claimed to be the rightful owners of this vast property. In the course of the dispute between the two, Abdul Qadir was ex-communicated from the community by Ghulam Hussain, although he had taken the oath of allegiance [mithaq] from the latter. Abdul Qadir and his followers then had to leave Mahdibagh, setting up their headquarters a mile way on a small piece of land, which they named Qaimibagh. Abdul Qadir and his supporters then instituted several court cases against the Jamaat led by Ghulam Hussain, claiming ownership of Mahdibagh for themselves. Many of these cases are still in the courts today. Following the split in the Atba-i-Malak Jamaat, clear theological differences began to emerge between the two groups, which are at the root of the present controversy.

Abdul Qadir proclaimed himself as the Qaim, the imam of the 'age of light', whose arrival, he claimed, Jivaji had been sent by God to herald. After his death in 1911, the same exalted position of Qaim was claimed by his successors, his three brothers, Abdeali, Razzak, and Imdad Ali. The present head of the sect, Tayyebhai Razzak Chimthanawala, nephew of Imdad Ali, also claims the same title. According to the Vakilis, the Qaim is God's representative on earth and is the sahib-i-amar, or guardian of God's spiritual mission in the world, in his own time. Although various other Shia groups also place faith in the imam, whether in 'seclusion' or not, the Vakilis differ with them on the issue of the role of the Qaim.

According to the Vakilis, following the ushering in of the 'age of light' with the appointment of Abdul Qadir as the Qaim in 1901, the shariat of the Prophet Muhammad (shar-i-Muhammadi) stands abrogated. In a deposition before the court of the district judge of Nagpur in the civil suit 143/67 [Jafar Bhai vs. Hasan Nurani], the present head of the Vakili Jamaat, Tayyebhai Razzak, claimed that the Islamic rituals prevailing before the establishment of his sect had been abrogated. The reason he gave was that, 'The rituals of every Prophet are abolished, when the next Prophet appears with the appearance of the Quyam [Qaim]'. It is not clear if, from this, Tayyebhai Razzak was claiming to be a Prophet himself or a status equal to that of the Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh). Further, he claimed that with the founding of the Vakili Jamaat and the dawn of the so-called 'age of light', essential Islamic rituals such as fasting during the month of Ramadan, praying in Mosques, and offering namaz had been abolished, for such rituals, he alleged in his deposition, 'were futile'. The Mosque, he said, was a mere piece of cement and mortar, and the true Mosque was actually 'the place where the religious leader, Guru, is offered regard and respect and prostration'. The Kabah, he stressed, was simply a deaf, dumb black stone'. All Islamic rituals, he added, that had an external [zahiri] form in the so-called 'age of darkness', had now, in the 'age of light' been declared to be totally unnecessary by Abdul Qadir and should only be followed in their 'inner' or batini sense.

On the other hand, the followers of the rival Atba-i-Malak Badr Jamaat continued to remain within the broad contours of Islam, asserting that the shariat of Muhammad still had to be followed in the 'age of light', the only difference between the 'age of light' and the age preceding it being that Jivaji, the 'hujjat' of the imam, and his successors had now to rationally and openly argue the rationality behind the rules of the shariat. Hence, rather than claiming for themselves the title of Qaim, Ghulam Hussain and his successors, including the present-head of the sect, Muhammad Amiruddin, merely claimed to be the dai-i-mutlaqs of the Imam or Qaim, in line with mainstream Shia theology.

The theological wrangling between the two sects of the Atba-i-Malak are thus several decades old and would probably have gone un-noticed but for an attempt this February on the part of the Vakilis, led by their self-styled Imam, Tayyebhai Razzak, to enter the Mahdibagh colony ostensibly to organise a gathering [majlis] at the Mosque there, the Masjid-i-Ibrahim. On 12th February, 1998, the residents of Mahdibagh, shot off an angry letter to the Commissioner of Police, Nagpur, claiming that the Vakilis were threatening to force their way into their Mosque. They stressed that since the Vakilis had publicly claimed that since in the view of their so-called imams, zahiri [external] namaz in a Mosque was useless and had been abolished by Abdul Qadir, their first so-called Qaim, the Vakilis' intention in entering the Mosque was but a crude attempt to capture control over the Mahdibagh colony. In order to galvanise public opinion on the issue, the leaders of the Atba-i-Malak Badr Jamaat have contacted several leading Muslim authorities, both Shia as well as Sunni, throughout the country. In their request for fatwa from leading Shia and Sunni Ulama, they have enquired whether, in the light of the shariat, it is allowable for the Vakilis, who explicitly reject the shariat of Muhammad, particularly the injunctions on namaz, and deny the need for a Mosque, to claim a right to enter their Mosque. Important Muslim institutions such as the Madrasai-i-Madinatul Ulum, Nagpur, the Dar-ul-Ulum Salafiyya, Nagpur, the Dar-ul-Ulum, Deoband, the Jamia Nizamia, Hyderabad [all Sunni madrasasas] and the Tauhidul Muslimin Trust, a Shia institution in Lucknow headed by the well-known scholar Sayyed Kalbe Sadiq, have declared it unlawful for the Vakilis to enter any Muslim Mosque. Some of them have even declared the Vakilis to be non-Muslims.

Meanwhile, despite the flurry of fatwas denouncing the sect, the head of the Vakilis, the head of the sect, Tayyebhai Razzak, persists in his grandiose claims. In an extensive interview with this writer in Nagpur recently, Tayyebhai Razzak claimed himself to be the imam for the whole world, and that all those who do not believe in him, Muslims as well as others, were kafirs and shall 'certainly perish in hell'. While he claims that the Qur'an itself establishes the veracity of the Vakili sect, he himself admits that he knows no Arabic. Indeed, he does not even know Urdu. According to him there is no need for him to read the Qur'an in its original, because, he says, his is 'no bookish knowledge'. Instead, he says, he is in direct communication with God. When asked why, if he denied the relevance of the shariat, he sported a beard and depicted a picture of a Mosque on the cover of his sect's Gujarati periodical, Isbat-i-Kashf, he frankly admitted that this was simply to 'attract others' to his fold. In reply to a question as to why he was now attempting to enter the Mosque of the Badris although the Vakilis clearly negated the need for Mosques and Namaz, he confessed that his intention was just to prove the 'legality' of his sect's claim over the sprawling Mahdibagh property. 'That property belongs to me', he said, 'and I shall bring Mahdibagh into my hands at any cost'.

Such attempts to make religion a tool for personal greed have not been rare in the past, but, clearly, the present controversy far surpasses anything in the history of the Bohras, which itself has been replete with cases of splits on the issue of succession and control over the vast wealth of this enterprising community.

Source: a href="http://www.islamicvoice.com/september.9 ... L">Islamic Voice

[AmmarHussaini]

when ever wealth gets involve in religion it becomes disaster, why do you think Muhammed(s) never left any thing for his family?

imagine if muhammed burhanuddin would have spent money on right things he would not have hoarded this wealth and there would not be any such fights which we are witnessing today.

[Mkenya]

To go back in time and delve into whether there was or not Nass after 46th Dai is like digging up the Jurrasic Park. All we will learn, if anything, is that it is an academic exercise; to be archived in the history section. My stand on the Dais, their claims of divine ancestory and heritage, and their infallibility is carefully weaved web of bunkum. From the last 80 to 90 years Bohras have been regularly fed a diet of the invincibilty of Dais, Mazoon and Mukasir. Fast forward to the present times Kothar has effectively harnessed the power of cyberspace to bombard Bohras with selective and self-serving propaganda. Piggy-backing on the Kothar bandwagon are the hordes of sheikhs, mullas, committees of ayaans and jamaat administrators who syphon off massive sums of money. "Aa badha Dai nu naam lei ne lilu ghaas chari khai che'.
To follow this topic is a moot point. 'Aa badhu randya pachi nu dahpan che'. I implore the posters to focus more of their energy on topics that are related to this site's mission. That is to expose the vicious treatment, publicise injustice, assist the downtrodden, and so on.

[Adam]

@Nafisa
If the Dawat stopped at the 46th Dai. What happened to your Dawat after that? Shop closed? No more salvation?
If it's being run by a "Nazim" at the moment, who is he?

@GM

From 46 to 50th Dai they used to write the world Dai ul Mustauda but the 51th declare himself Dai ul Mutlaq (with absolute powers),

INCORRECT.
All Dai's from the first Dai are Dai Mutlaq.
Imam's Dawat in Datr is only represented by the Dai Mutlaq. There's no such concept as "Dai ul Mustauda" in ANY Dawat book.

Dai Zoeb pehla ne chhe Badruddin khatim

INCORRECT
So such verse was written. Please give evidence, if you claim otherwise.

[truth seeker100]

@Nafisa
If the Dawat stopped at the 46th Dai. What happened to your Dawat after that? Shop closed? No more salvation?
If it's being run by a "Nazim" at the moment, who is he?

@GM

From 46 to 50th Dai they used to write the world Dai ul Mustauda but the 51th declare himself Dai ul Mutlaq (with absolute powers),

INCORRECT.
All Dai's from the first Dai are Dai Mutlaq.
Imam's Dawat in Datr is only represented by the Dai Mutlaq. There's no such concept as "Dai ul Mustauda" in ANY Dawat book.

Dai Zoeb pehla ne chhe Badruddin khatim

INCORRECT
So such verse was written. Please give evidence, if you claim otherwise.

are you really stupid? so according to you without a dai there is no salvation? your ignorance is really pathetic. I can tell you for a fact that your maula muffy will not help you a bit in the hereafter. Allah is going to ask you about namaaz and good deeds, not about your faith in a chor dai called muffy. so I suggest you speak some sense or get lost!!

[AgnosticIndian]

Isn't it true that Dawat was in a financial mess till 50th, do what were the 47th-50th fighting for and poisoning Dai,Mansoos?

[Adam]

Isn't it true that Dawat was in a financial mess till 50th, do what were the 47th-50th fighting for and poisoning Dai,Mansoos?

Huh?
Referring to incorrect facts.

[ghulam muhammed]

Dai Zoeb pehla ne chhe Badruddin khatim

INCORRECT
So such verse was written. Please give evidence, if you claim otherwise.

Firstly, the couplet was an extract from a post by Bro Mubarak and FYI he has already provided the book name, page number etc., kindly see the post once again.

[think]

Fraud nass, fraud progress, fraud management, fraud services. all this to make money for their ayashi by hoodwinking the weak mind with fear such scared folks those are called abde i.e.slaves of the mortal dai and his wives, brothers and children and the like. .

[JC]

Fraud nass, fraud progress, fraud management, fraud services. all this to make money for their ayashi by hoodwinking the weak mind with fear such scared folks those are called abde i.e.slaves of the mortal dai and his wives, brothers and children and the like. .

This whole concept of Imamat and resultant concept of Dawat and Dais is all a ploy, for Power and Money, that all. This is a Game. Nass is part of this game and drama. This Soap Opera has its twists and turns .............. and it wants to keep audience amused and connected .......... and glued ............

[morela]

The progressives should now NOT hesitate to formally declare that Daiship has now become null and void.

[true_bohra]

The progressives should now NOT hesitate to formally declare that Daiship has now become null and void.

so when is the chairman of your central board passing a resolution for the same.....but whats the use of passing such resolution...deep in your heart you have already abandoned the position of Dai...so do we care for such stands from your side...BIG NAAH!!!