Amirul Hajj

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Amirul Hajj

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:24 pm

Does anyone knows who is the Amirul Hajj this year from SMS camp?
No mention on any Abde sites while people have already started going to Saudi Arabia

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Unread post by MMH » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:43 am

SBM wrote:Does anyone knows who is the Amirul Hajj this year from SMS camp?
No mention on any Abde sites while people have already started going to Saudi Arabia

its aliasgar kalimuddin b.s...

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Unread post by MMH » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:52 am

And here he is!
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Unread post by MMH » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:54 am

And another pose :D
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Unread post by SBM » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:40 am

Tx Sis MMH
Who is he? Why no Shezaadas this year and no Pomp-whistle and bell about his announcement?

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Unread post by alam » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:09 am

ALiasghar bs has been languished in poverty and sidelined by the new regime. He was not very successful in meeting his target during Saheb-e-Dawat, but due to his gift of the gab, also being half brother to syedna Burhanuddin, and poor political conditions ((for the Mufaddali Bohras) in Saudi Arabia, and due to his old age, this is his last chance to prove himself as being valuable in the present day scenario in Muffy Dawat and Saudi regime. Unbeknownst to him, he is the new scapegoat and easy target to put in front of adverse Saudi government during Haj. He has done much in his lifetime as Fitnat to Dawat, and it's payback time for him, to ensure his spot when the time comes.

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Unread post by MMH » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:08 am

SBM wrote:Tx Sis MMH
Who is he? Why no Shezaadas this year and no Pomp-whistle and bell about his announcement?

Muffy moula credits him for being his teacher...he is y.n' s brother. i think he was the master mind in this dawat takeover coup from what i have heard about him on the fatemi dawat videos.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:33 pm

Hope the Amirul Haj understands the following :-

Haj Shows Muslim Unity

Haj is one of the five pillars of Islam. Muslims declare that there is no god worthy of worship but Allah and that Muhammad is His messenger; they pray, they fast, they pay obligatory charity, and they go for Haj. Haj is a pilgrimage to the city of Makah in Saudi Arabia. At the mosque and in the surrounding area, Muslims perform prayers and rituals. Haj is an obligatory act performed once in a lifetime by all mentally, physically and financially able Muslims.



“And Haj (pilgrimage to Makah) to the House (Kaa’ba) is a duty that mankind owes to God, those who can afford the expenses (for one’s conveyance, provision and residence) ; and whoever disbelieves then God stands not in need of any of mankind, jinn and all that exists” (Qur’an 3:97)

“And proclaim to humankind the Haj (pilgrimage). They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Haj)” (Qur’an 22:27)

The Haj is spread on several days of total devotion to the One God. Muslims come together to celebrate His praises, ask for His forgiveness and demonstrate unity for His sake alone. Throughout the Muslim world, Haj has come to symbolize unity. Although Muslims may be disunited due to many outside influences, such as money, politics, border disputes or other worldly concerns, Haj is the great leveller. At Haj, all Muslims are equal; nothing about the rituals they perform makes one person better than another.

Millions of Muslims stand in one place, wearing the same simple clothing, following the same rituals and saying the same words. They are united in their devotion to God. The black man stands next to the white man and they call on God with one voice. The king stands beside the pauper and they declare their submission to the will of God using the same words.

Muslims from every corner of the globe are united in their submission to the will of God. They cry out as if with one voice, “Here I am O God, here I am at your service, and You have no partner. Here I am. All praise, grace, and dominion belong to You. You have no partner.” This supplication is said repeatedly by the pilgrims. It is their answer to God’s call for the Muslims to perform Haj.

These words are repeated with joy and reverence by all, regardless of status or class. Some people are so overcome with emotion that they weep; others feel elated and happier than they have ever felt before. Every person there feels that he is one person, alone among millions answering God’s call and God hears his supplication and sees his arrival. The pilgrims feel amazed that they are the guest of the most Merciful God. He or she attends this gathering by the invitation of God, not at the invitation of a government or an organization, nor at the request of a family member or friend.

Haj is performed because God has invited the believers to congregate together. Regardless of place of birth, nationality, ethnicity, gender, or status, all are welcome, and all are equal in the sight of God. The Muslims gather to meet one another and demonstrate to each other, and the world that they are united. They are united by their worship of One God.

“O humankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with God is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa (piety, God consciousness). Verily, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware.” (Qur’an 39:13)

Islam is the religion of unity. Repeatedly throughout the Qur’an God reminds the believers that they must remain united and seek strength through unity. Haj epitomizes this unity. People from every race and colour come together in submission to the will of God. Muslims are one brotherhood and they come together with a sense of purpose and a desire for peace.

“The believers are nothing else but brothers (in Islam). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear God, that you may receive mercy.” (Qur’an 39:10)

“And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of God (this Qur’an), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember God’s favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islam), and you were on the brink of a pit of fire, and He saved you from it. Thus God makes His Ayah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided.” (Qur’an 3:103)

Haj is the largest annual gathering of Muslims; it is the largest gathering of people united by the peacefulness and serenity that is Islam. Anything that disturbs the peacefulness of Haj is prohibited. No matter what is happening in the material world at Haj, peace prevails.

Muslims gather together and their diversity is a wonder to behold. The old stand with the young, the rich stand with the poor, people of all colours and nationalities stand shoulder to shoulder in prayer, and perform rituals side by side. Prophet Muhammad (may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him) said, “In their love, kindness, and compassion for each other, the believers are like a human body. Muslims at Haj are one people, they are a soothing sea of humanity, gathered together to worship One God. Muslims turn their faces in one direction and submit to the will of God. They are united by their love of God and united in their diversity

http://www.newageislam.com/islamic-soci ... ty/d/99293

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Re: Amirul Hajj

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:15 am

But for Bohras their haqiqi kaaba is Dai, their god on earth (ilahul Ard) where as god has mentioned in several ayats that he is not associated or in partnership with anyone.
hajj for them is nothing but a show off to other bohri brothers and sisters that they had the privilege and opportunity of doing Hajj.
Some time back when Syedna Burhanuddin (RA) had an opportunity to do Umrah he was praying salaams and making Dua in front the Holy Kaabah. If he is the Haqiqi Kaabah why does he have to do all that if for that Kaabah is just a black object.

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Unread post by think » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:39 am

I have performed haj and kerbala with him. HE was in karachi a few years back and the die hard abdes used to carry him around because he could not walk. He did have major issues with his health.

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Unread post by JC » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:46 am

Jo hum ko hamari qabar may milnay aaeay ga .............. wo khud char logo kay kandhay par sawar ho kay apni qabar may gaya ........... :( :cry:

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:38 pm

yeh sab dhong hain BABA, PEER, MAULANA, FAKHIR KE
Allah has written everything in Quran.....but disbelievers will never get taufeeq, hidayat and hikmat of our beautiful scripture of Quran!
they say only a person who has an idea about the art will be able to get the meaning behind the art!

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:23 pm

Allah has given them a grace period, the same way he gave grace period to Pheron!
Nabi Moosa (AS) was adopted son of Pharoh and, he only revolted against Pheron....history repeats, it is always the ones from the family who revolt.
and our time has come too.
Sons of Nabi Ibrahim (AS) revolted
Sons of Nabi Noah (AS) revolted

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:50 pm

the saudi's will be watching the bohra hajji's carefully. any slightest transgression and they will crack down on them. at that time this ali asghar b.s. will be the fall guy and his sorry backside will be hauled into prison.

since the last 25 years or more, the bohra hajji's are carefully instructed to take precautions, hide their identities and practise taqiya. this was always being done to a certain extent, but since the ex syedna smb was blacklisted in the early 80's and the jeddah amil shabbir vajihuddin was caught, beaten up and deported for money laundering, shirk and other crimes, the training has increased. but the saudi's are no fools and know everything thats going on. if they are not cracking down more severely, its only because they do not wish to create a ruckus and waste their energies on a bunch of, in their opinion, rafids. they are more concerned with the ever present danger from the iranians, al qaeda and now isis. as far as the saudi's are concerned, they consider the bohras as cowards and weaklings. they pose no danger to the state or to others. they know quite well that the bohras are idol worshippers and brainwashed cult members. the saudi anger is not so much against the bohras per se', but their cunning leaders who lead them into kufr and loot them.

i am sure brother hussain ksa will have more light to shed on this. he has news in advance about trouble brewing, through his local contacts.

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Unread post by Mkenya » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:27 pm

I hope Ali Asghar B.S. does not instruct Bohra Hajjis to do:
"Aa 'Musla' kare tem na karjo, hun jem karu tem karjo".

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:18 am

HM,

what have the pics u posted got to do with haj? what they show is someone, i presume this ali asghar b.s., who is presiding over a majlis.

perhaps its your feeble attempt to divert attention from my post?

can these pics deny that syedna was blacklisted and could not visit saudi for 20 years?
can these pics deny that the jeddah amil shabbir vajihuddin was deported?
can these pics deny that the dammam markaz was closed down?
can these pics deny that the saudi's do not allow bohras to congregate privately for namaaz and maatam and they have to do so very secretively, dispersing through various narrow alleyways, hiding their shoes and keeping everything very quiet?

if you have to defend, then atleast mount a sensible defense. with this type of refutation you are only betraying your stupidity and lack of common-sense. unfortunately this is typical of all idiot abdes - divert the topic, confuse and obfuscate and if nothing works, then come down to abuse and hurling epithets such as munafeqeen, muddai, etc.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:33 am

so you agree that syedna was humiliated and blacklisted for 20 years?
that the amil of jeddah was deported?
that the dammam markaz was closed down?
that the cowardly saudi bohras hide their kufr like rats?
that mufatlal has not dared to go to saudi, the markaz of islam, after his nassbandi, whereas he has gone to even the remotest villages on a looting spree?

hurling insults at me won't whitewash above facts. bohras sitting in a majlis does not prove anything. all your inshallahs could not prevent the syedna being humiliated and banned.

we have seen hundreds of idol worshipping idiots like you over the years. they come, hurl invective, fire and brimstone and then retreat licking their wounds after having been hammered black and blue.

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:21 pm

Seems like Hussain Makkaji has been disbarred since all his postings have vanished. It seems that he was our friend who had lots of LOL LOL LOL in the past (London Bohra)

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Unread post by MMH » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:51 pm

SBM wrote:Seems like Hussain Makkaji has been disbarred since all his postings have vanished. It seems that he was our friend who had lots of LOL LOL LOL in the past (London Bohra)

...and here I was wondering who AZ Is blabbering away to.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sorry AZ...with due respect to your posts...they seem out of place without HM's posts
..

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:45 pm

MMH wrote:
SBM wrote:Seems like Hussain Makkaji has been disbarred since all his postings have vanished. It seems that he was our friend who had lots of LOL LOL LOL in the past (London Bohra)

...and here I was wondering who AZ Is blabbering away to.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sorry AZ...with due respect to your posts...they seem out of place without HM's posts
..
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Unread post by JC » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:38 pm

Saudis can be wrong on hundred counts but they are RIGHT on kicking asses of bhais of this cult .........

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:27 pm

Amirul Haj

Image

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:40 am

MMH wrote:
SBM wrote:Seems like Hussain Makkaji has been disbarred since all his postings have vanished. It seems that he was our friend who had lots of LOL LOL LOL in the past (London Bohra)

...and here I was wondering who AZ Is blabbering away to.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sorry AZ...with due respect to your posts...they seem out of place without HM's posts
..
Me too .. I was wondering whether AZ had lost his marbles or was he in an "ilham"-like conversation with some guy in satr :lol:

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Unread post by zinger » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:44 am

SBM wrote:Seems like Hussain Makkaji has been disbarred since all his postings have vanished. It seems that he was our friend who had lots of LOL LOL LOL in the past (London Bohra)

you are sooooo wrong brother. it was our friend of many ids.

dont you understand why i greeted him with a "hello hello hello :mrgreen: " on his very second post?

Dont tell me you didnt recognise him

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Unread post by true_bohra » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:45 am

zinger wrote:
SBM wrote:Seems like Hussain Makkaji has been disbarred since all his postings have vanished. It seems that he was our friend who had lots of LOL LOL LOL in the past (London Bohra)

you are sooooo wrong brother. it was our friend of many ids.

dont you understand why i greeted him with a "hello hello hello :mrgreen: " on his very second post?

Dont tell me you didnt recognise him
Whats the use..admin bans his one id and he returns with many new...

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:36 pm

As if the Saudis are projecting a very good image of Islam themselves.. The Saudi rulers are a bunch of American puppets... They can only target bohras who are helpless (Even if they are culpable for wrong practices).. The Saudis are know to indulge in all ayyashis in western countries (mostly UK) where they spend most part of their summer.... Just because Saudis are in power there and have lot of petro dollars, they can dominate. What are Saudis doing to help (given Saudis clout) Palestinian cause if they are so conerned with Islam and muslim brother. So there is nothing to be happy off that Saudis are punishing the bohras...
Al Zulfiqar wrote:the saudi's will be watching the bohra hajji's carefully. any slightest transgression and they will crack down on them. at that time this ali asghar b.s. will be the fall guy and his sorry backside will be hauled into prison.

since the last 25 years or more, the bohra hajji's are carefully instructed to take precautions, hide their identities and practise taqiya. this was always being done to a certain extent, but since the ex syedna smb was blacklisted in the early 80's and the jeddah amil shabbir vajihuddin was caught, beaten up and deported for money laundering, shirk and other crimes, the training has increased. but the saudi's are no fools and know everything thats going on. if they are not cracking down more severely, its only because they do not wish to create a ruckus and waste their energies on a bunch of, in their opinion, rafids. they are more concerned with the ever present danger from the iranians, al qaeda and now isis. as far as the saudi's are concerned, they consider the bohras as cowards and weaklings. they pose no danger to the state or to others. they know quite well that the bohras are idol worshippers and brainwashed cult members. the saudi anger is not so much against the bohras per se', but their cunning leaders who lead them into kufr and loot them.

i am sure brother hussain ksa will have more light to shed on this. he has news in advance about trouble brewing, through his local contacts.

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:45 pm

As if the Kothar care a bit about the Saudis... The honey spots are in Africa, UAE, Kuwait, Indian subcontinent, USA, Europe where the business is ever growing and flourishing
JC wrote:Saudis can be wrong on hundred counts but they are RIGHT on kicking asses of bhais of this cult .........

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:48 pm

Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin was amirul Hajj a couple of years ago...
Al Zulfiqar wrote:so you agree that syedna was humiliated and blacklisted for 20 years?
that the amil of jeddah was deported?
that the dammam markaz was closed down?
that the cowardly saudi bohras hide their kufr like rats?
that mufatlal has not dared to go to saudi, the markaz of islam, after his nassbandi, whereas he has gone to even the remotest villages on a looting spree?

hurling insults at me won't whitewash above facts. bohras sitting in a majlis does not prove anything. all your inshallahs could not prevent the syedna being humiliated and banned.

we have seen hundreds of idol worshipping idiots like you over the years. they come, hurl invective, fire and brimstone and then retreat licking their wounds after having been hammered black and blue.