Ashara 1436 Surat

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Re: Ashara 1436 Surat

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Unread post by Dumbledore » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:17 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:WHY DO YOU NEED A SMALL SIZE TELEVISION SET RIGHT BELOW THE GIANT SCREEN ??

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So that the aamil/sheikh sitting on sujni should not get neck pain.

While abdes had to see the screen withe their neck raised as the screen is mounted high

They just care for their comfortand not for general public
Also before sitting they take raza from television on takht

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Unread post by Biradar » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:30 pm

Not that I attend these Yazidi majlis organized by Mr. Muffi (LA) and his Ibilisi Toli, but have these abde fools also doing sajdas to the TV? Like they did during the time SMB (RA)? Just curious.

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:34 pm

The first picture is before the waiz in which the paatlo is being placed. This paatlo is placed by a senior and considered a privilege as the papers and book of the vaizeen is placed upon it

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:40 pm

I advise you bro biradar to control your language and emotions and stop callingnames to majlis you may have differences with some person but when you are referring to majlis Hussain you observe respects

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Unread post by actual_progressive » Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:36 pm

In yesterday"s majlis there was a bayan that imam Hasan"s four year old son died in karbala.so much emontional.hands cut down and all so that.but I don't understand Karbala battel had taken place 10 years after demise of imam Hasan.so how can his four year old son be there.first I thought I heard wrong but the person tell it four to five times both.imam Hasan"s son and four year old.so emotional but how can I belive? Relay worldwide. Everybody listing but nobody questioned or nobody ever care for real thing then artificial story.

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:27 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:May Allah (swt) give us the strength and wisdom to walk on the path of Imam Hussain (a.s.) who is the true definition of Sacrifice, Patience, Faith and Trust. On this last day of Ashura I pray for peace, happiness, love and success for all forum members. I seek your forgiveness for any words spoken or any deed at my end which may have hurt you. Please do remember me and all forum members in your prayers.
To all forum members ... On this day of Ashura, a humble request to remember me in your duas.

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Unread post by talibeilm » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:00 am

May Allah keep all of us on the path of Haqq, Sabr and Imaan as shown to us by Hazrat Imaam Hussain via his sacrifice at Karbala.Also on this day of Ashura I sincerely pray to Allah to free us from the dynasty rule and convert our present cult into a truly Islamic sect. Ameen

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Unread post by maddy » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:56 am

For today morning wayez of SMS I would give maxx maxx 5 points out of 10. . . .
Also one more turning point he mentioned. .
For years we listen that Nabi (a.s) came to Umme salma in her dreams to inform that Imam Husain died in Karbala and then Umme salam check the bottle , but this year Pigeon came to inform . . :D :D

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Unread post by MUSTAPH » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:23 am

Mubarak Mubarak Mubarak

Mufaddal Moula ni Dua no asar to dekho bhaiyo

Taha BS (5 farzando) na Ane Ibrahim BS 4farzando) je dawedar yahan si America lai gayelo ... E badha 9 bachchao ne America na judge e bachchaona bawa ne 5din ni custody api deedhi chhe. Inshaallah aje aa bachchao moula ni waaz live relay ma joi sakse


Can anyone throw more light on this

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Unread post by Biradar » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:36 pm

salaar wrote:I advise you bro biradar to control your language and emotions and stop callingnames to majlis you may have differences with some person but when you are referring to majlis Hussain you observe respects
Yes, perhaps you are correct. Mr. Muffadul (LA) is like Iblis. However, the followers are partly blameless, although I personally believe it is better to sit home than attend programs organized by him.

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Unread post by murtaza2152 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:16 pm

Biradar wrote:Not that I attend these Yazidi majlis organized by Mr. Muffi (LA) and his Ibilisi Toli, but have these abde fools also doing sajdas to the TV? Like they did during the time SMB (RA)? Just curious.
Biradar , i laugh when i see you writing SMB RA and giving false respect to moula after his death , when he was there you compared his dawat to muawiyah's rule and many more fathomable words i have heard from your mouth, why this double standards , you have to give answer to Allah one day , atleast be true to your conscience.
I very well know you carried hatred for moula Burhanuddin and it has been now converted towards moula Saifuddin, Do hatred but don't show double standards.

Quoting you

accountability wrote:
Natural contender of the office wll be Mazoon, but there are precedents, that nominee was not Mazoon, but in each case nominee was declared in mazoon's presence and endorsed by mazoon.

Biradar Wrote:

This is a ridiculous statement. Please prove that in each case of the last 52 da'is the appointment was endorsed by mazoon and in his presence. In many instances the nass was done by letter, sometimes in public and sometimes in private among a select few. At the end of the day the da'i can do absolutely what he wants and no one is required to endorse his choice. In the time of satr the da'i is the absolute leader. There is an instance when the Mazoon was removed from his position.

I think people are getting too worked up about this nass issue. It was bound to happen one day and it is good it has happened so that the community does not split. Of course, schisms are still possible but I think highly unlikely. In the misaaq one explicitly declares that the da'i can promote whoever he wants and demote whoever he wants. It does not say he needs endorsement from anyone. Now, one can question the misaq from many perspectives but this is the way it is.

Just accept this as a valid succession and move on. There will no difference to the progressive movement at all. Things are not going to change and probably will get worse.


Biradar wrote:

Brother aziz,

Do not get carried away by the wealth and splendor which the present sayedna displays. The da'is have not always been rich and, in the past, their greatest asset has been simplicity, humility and piety. All these characteristics are missing from the present administration and in fact, the lust for money and power has replaced everything. It is true that reformists do not have power, but the fight is not for power anyway. It is for openness, transparency in handling community funds and properties and non-interference in secular matters. Remember, for example, that Sayedna Kutub Khan was killed by Aurangzeb: at that time the dawaat was poor but the da'i stood up to a tyrant despite all the splendor of the Mughal empire was against them. Today, I am sure, the da'i would invite Aurangzeb to the masjid, give him a core rupees and also cover him with a shawl. Just to make sure that his own financial empire was protected.

You, and other orthodox, are bedazzled by the money which the da'i possess. It is true he is very rich and powerful, but the accumulation of wealth and power is not what one expects from a person who claims to be a spiritual leader. You clearly belong to the camp of Muawiya: you want to worship the richest person around. Remember that Imam Hassan abdicated the caliphate and that Imam Zain ul-abedeen lead a life of worship and did not pursue power. Sadly, the present da'i is nothing but the CEO of a multi-billion enterprise called the Dawaat.


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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:19 pm

The Surat congregation ended last night . Was it a success ? I want people's comments ?

Politically it was a master act, 53rds first Ashara as it is called, well choreographed, participants in their hundreds of thousands well fed,well entertained, selective scenes of die hards getting glimpses of gifting, the normal feta youth who allegedly single handedly paid crores was to send a powerful message that any commoner wealthy can serve the master.

Globally people were connected through live relays and private what's app .

These thousands upon thousands will return home and sing praises the propaganda machine will continue. We can all kind of agree if 30% of Bohras attended Surat and if another 20% attended local sermons Regularly....SMS has the majority of numbers to carry him through any court or external review by SKQ , unless a miracle happens. Reformists are also in the same situation where the wealth and glamour where abdes get dazzle dazzled is like a tsunami.

The question is only die hands attend these gatherings how many will describe any scandals

The speeches were a mix of emotion, anger, no controversial outbursts like lanat, bringing in SMB and then connecting with SMS, emotional psychological manipulation was 1st class everything was professionally handled.

I salute the political and strategic execution. I know I am awake and my associates will cringe but for a force not to acknowledge its weakness or recognise the strength of its opponent is reckless ...but we have to credit their act like any Olympic games ...I think kothar themselves did not realise how successful this was to turn up but they rolled with the success and got better.

The momentum of this class act will carry SMS through for many months, that is if a surprise scandal or issue does not erase their gains ...SKQ and reformist as I have mentioned before will need to learn from the political aspects of a movement where SMS successful employed, while others struggle to grasp.

Question is how do reformist other than watch and critique respond to this massive wave ? The next few months will interesting to see what we can offer and how well the SMS marketing campaign evolves!

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Unread post by Maqbool » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:07 am

On the day of Ashura qasim(R) has taken wasila. In the seventies he has gone to Madras. There he has declared himself as 53 dia. Since he is from the toli of munafekin najmuddin he has been spared and not taken any action against him. The offense is similar as claimed on SKQ. During his visit to Madras he has declared barat on some prominent personality of Madras and announced that all the family members should do barat to the person. He has instructed to the family members to send the person -on whom barat is announced- out of house or all family members should quit the house. The reason of barat was, he has demanded share of Asian dehydrate and Asian electronics with out any compensations.

In this vasila he has preyed that the grand children of SMS and Qj should come back soon. According to his action in Madras he should have announced a lanat and has demanded barat to these children!

This corrupt in character Qasim(R) is made mukka shir in dawat. Kuda kher kare.
R=Rawdy

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Unread post by salaar » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:22 am

actual_progressive wrote:In yesterday"s majlis there was a bayan that imam Hasan"s four year old son died in karbala.so much emontional.hands cut down and all so that.but I don't understand Karbala battel had taken place 10 years after demise of imam Hasan.so how can his four year old son be there.first I thought I heard wrong but the person tell it four to five times both.imam Hasan"s son and four year old.so emotional but how can I belive? Relay worldwide. Everybody listing but nobody questioned or nobody ever care for real thing then artificial story.
Yes ofcourse Imam Hasans 4 years old son who sacrificed his life on his kakajee sahib like the 4 year old son of Imam Hussain Mohammad ul Baqir who was also there in karbala, he was the grandson, son of son is also your son isnt it. secondly somebody reffered to the pigeon which came from karbala with the blood of Hussain on its feathers, this is not a new addition infact it was always mentioned in the waiz not just ours but in shia majlis also, it was after the arrival of that pigeon that Umme Salamah a.s went to see the sand in the bottle given by RasoolAllah and found that it has changed its color. when we discuss these events related to karbala which are mentioned in our books dont look at them with an eye of critic because there are justifications for all of them but if we evaluate them in our standards we get entangled in doubts, we are talking about the fazails of the moula who was the grandson of Rasoolallah for whom he said HUSSAIN MINNI WA ANA MINAL HUSSAIN and Hasan and Hussain are the leaders of the youth of jannah, therefore pls concentrate on the message and purpose for which Moula Hussain gave his life and the lives of his whole family from 80 years old Habib ibn e Mazahir to the 6 months old Shahzada Ali Asghar instead of arguing about every little thing, their presentation maybe difficult to understand but overlook the argument portion or you would miss and get wayward from the actual qurbani and message of Moula Hussain.

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Unread post by Kharas_Mithas » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:37 am

WATTSAPP MESSAGE

Aaje Mola tus ye Fajar ni namaz pachi je Pakistan na ben gai kale tutak per rush na sabab guzri gaya hata ehna janaza per namaz parawee ane janaza bhi uthaya ...
Ehna dikra ne taziyat aapi Moula tus ye pachi ahne gale lagavi Lida ..
Mumtaz ben Jamali was a Homeopathic doctor !!

Sent as Recvd ..

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Unread post by Kharas_Mithas » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:39 am

WATTSAPP MESSAGE

Aaje Mola tus ye Fajar ni namaz pachi je Pakistan na ben gai kale tutak per rush na sabab guzri gaya hata ehna janaza per namaz parawee ane janaza bhi uthaya ...
Ehna dikra ne taziyat aapi Moula tus ye pachi ahne gale lagavi Lida ..
Mumtaz ben Jamali was a Homeopathic doctor !!

Sent as Recvd ..
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Unread post by Kharas_Mithas » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:40 am

Kharas_Mithas wrote:WATTSAPP MESSAGE

Aaje Mola tus ye Fajar ni namaz pachi je Pakistan na ben gai kale tutak per rush na sabab guzri gaya hata ehna janaza per namaz parawee ane janaza bhi uthaya ...
Ehna dikra ne taziyat aapi Moula tus ye pachi ahne gale lagavi Lida ..
Mumtaz ben Jamali was a Homeopathic doctor !!

Sent as Recvd ..
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Unread post by JC » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:42 am

Now that Tamaha Mubaraka is over in Surat, some serious business mubaraka will start ........... some rupia mubaraka will start rolling in in big numbers mubaraka ....

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Unread post by Biradar » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:54 am

murtaza2152 wrote:
Biradar wrote:Not that I attend these Yazidi majlis organized by Mr. Muffi (LA) and his Ibilisi Toli, but have these abde fools also doing sajdas to the TV? Like they did during the time SMB (RA)? Just curious.
Biradar , i laugh when i see you writing SMB RA and giving false respect to moula after his death , when he was there you compared his dawat to muawiyah's rule and many more fathomable words i have heard from your mouth, why this double standards , you have to give answer to Allah one day , atleast be true to your conscience.
I very well know you carried hatred for moula Burhanuddin and it has been now converted towards moula Saifuddin, Do hatred but don't show double standards.

Blah blah blah
Okay: are you really an idiot? All the things you quote about me, the supposed bad things I have said, actually prove the opposite! I have always criticized the excesses of the clergy and praised Fatimid literature, history and philosophy. Now, looking at the posts you quote, proves exactly that. It is true that during the time of SMB (RA) politicians were given millions of dollars, given shawls and other gifts, etc. This I still condemn! However, now, after the death of SMB (RA) it is becoming apparent who was running the show, and manipulating SMB (RA). It was the very Yazid who has now assumed the da'i's throne! And, you bootlicking sycophant, continue to follow him, irrespective of how he disobeyed his own father, abused his mazoon for decades, and now is pulling of a grand coup.

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Unread post by Kharas_Mithas » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:42 pm

JC wrote:Now that Tamaha Mubaraka is over in Surat, some serious business mubaraka will start ........... some rupia mubaraka will start rolling in in big numbers mubaraka ....
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Unread post by pheonix » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:33 pm

Biradar wrote:
murtaza2152 wrote: Biradar , i laugh when i see you writing SMB RA and giving false respect to moula after his death , when he was there you compared his dawat to muawiyah's rule and many more fathomable words i have heard from your mouth, why this double standards , you have to give answer to Allah one day , atleast be true to your conscience.
I very well know you carried hatred for moula Burhanuddin and it has been now converted towards moula Saifuddin, Do hatred but don't show double standards.

Blah blah blah
Okay: are you really an idiot? All the things you quote about me, the supposed bad things I have said, actually prove the opposite! I have always criticized the excesses of the clergy and praised Fatimid literature, history and philosophy. Now, looking at the posts you quote, proves exactly that. It is true that during the time of SMB (RA) politicians were given millions of dollars, given shawls and other gifts, etc. This I still condemn! However, now, after the death of SMB (RA) it is becoming apparent who was running the show, and manipulating SMB (RA). It was the very Yazid who has now assumed the da'i's throne! And, you bootlicking sycophant, continue to follow him, irrespective of how he disobeyed his own father, abused his mazoon for decades, and now is pulling of a grand coup.

Abay gadhe in the above post, you comapred SMB to Muyavia and now you are writing RA against his name. Thori sharam karle you double faced scumbag

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:47 pm

^
So phonix you approve SMS being equated to Yazid since you only complained about SMB being equated to Muwayya (by family tree of course)

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Unread post by canadian » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:03 pm

My apologies for diverting the subject; but would the gentleman using the moniker "pheonix" kindly let me know the meaning of that name? I know what phoenix is, but this "pheonix" is new one to me. I would love to learn its meaning.

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Unread post by think » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:00 pm

getting back on the subject; these are my views,
1, how can one claim to be "hussain na dai" the authority of the Imam far, far exceeds the position of the dai and that too of our imam hussain who has among all other imams made the utmost sacrifices for the deen of islam. What sacrifices has muffy made for the deen of islam ? All I can see is that he has been looting people in the name of islam.
2, The surat ashura was nothing but a tamasha. after seeing the performance of the dai ; i was displeased. The dai's actions were completely controlled by his henchmen. He was prompted at every step as what to do. The videos are evidence. even him making the action of bending down and rubbing his hand on his neck , was so un natural. He has been acting it out all the time.
3. to spend the least amount of time during the maktal bayaan , he had asked one of his sons to recite quraan ayats. had never seen this happen. this was the time when the shahadat of most of the imams family and friends is to be recited so people can relive the sacrifices of our Imam hussain; instead , there was more rhetoric about his father and his father's father.
4. vaez was relayed in some of the u.s. cities and this was simply a marketing strategy but it was made to sound like " moula nu ehsaan ,ghanoo ehsaan ke hamne ghani, ghani barakat se navazi deda.
5. atlanta local amil was flown at mumineen's expense to surat with his family and another one imported from puna , all at the expense of the mumineen.
this guy from pune made a bundle in u.s. dollars with ofcourse money from the jamaat and a free plane ticket on top of that he was flattered by the wali mulla , like no ones bussiness. amol butter was cheap that day. his praises and acting out was so artifical. such acting and unnecessary flatering has no place in the majlis of Imam hussain buka and gham.
6. the word ashura mubaraka is completely wrong. ashura is a sad day in the lives of shias all over the world and there is no mubarak badi in this sad episode of our imam hussain's utmost sacrifice.

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Unread post by pheonix » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:41 pm

canadian wrote:My apologies for diverting the subject; but would the gentleman using the moniker "pheonix" kindly let me know the meaning of that name? I know what phoenix is, but this "pheonix" is new one to me. I would love to learn its meaning.
Weak spelling

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Unread post by pheonix » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:46 pm

SBM wrote:^
So phonix you approve SMS being equated to Yazid since you only complained about SMB being equated to Muwayya (by family tree of course)
I dont have any problem him comparing SMB to anyone but at least he must balls to own it, not change positions at the drop of the hat.

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Unread post by MUSTAPH » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:43 am

salaar wrote:
actual_progressive wrote:In yesterday"s majlis there was a bayan that imam Hasan"s four year old son died in karbala.so much emontional.hands cut down and all so that.but I don't understand Karbala battel had taken place 10 years after demise of imam Hasan.so how can his four year old son be there.first I thought I heard wrong but the person tell it four to five times both.imam Hasan"s son and four year old.so emotional but how can I belive? Relay worldwide. Everybody listing but nobody questioned or nobody ever care for real thing then artificial story.
Yes ofcourse Imam Hasans 4 years old son who sacrificed his life on his kakajee sahib like the 4 year old son of Imam Hussain Mohammad ul Baqir who was also there in karbala, he was the grandson, son of son is also your son isnt it. secondly somebody reffered to the pigeon which came from karbala with the blood of Hussain on its feathers, this is not a new addition infact it was always mentioned in the waiz not just ours but in shia majlis also, it was after the arrival of that pigeon that Umme Salamah a.s went to see the sand in the bottle given by RasoolAllah and found that it has changed its color. when we discuss these events related to karbala which are mentioned in our books dont look at them with an eye of critic because there are justifications for all of them but if we evaluate them in our standards we get entangled in doubts, we are talking about the fazails of the moula who was the grandson of Rasoolallah for whom he said HUSSAIN MINNI WA ANA MINAL HUSSAIN and Hasan and Hussain are the leaders of the youth of jannah, therefore pls concentrate on the message and purpose for which Moula Hussain gave his life and the lives of his whole family from 80 years old Habib ibn e Mazahir to the 6 months old Shahzada Ali Asghar instead of arguing about every little thing, their presentation maybe difficult to understand but overlook the argument portion or you would miss and get wayward from the actual qurbani and message of Moula Hussain.


Salaar

I have read your post and have certain doubts about what you say :

you say we should not question our doubts : in the waez of 9th muhrram SMS has said that if we have doubts we should ask like Jabber had asked Imam Hassan about why he has done sulah with Muawwiyah. Jabber gets his answer by which he is satisfied but, when someone who has been with Rasool and Ali and has seen this Imam growing from child to becoming an Imam very closely even than can get an doubt in his mind which is said as approppriate to be asked than why can't we ask doubts to our dai and have to follow everything blindly.

I accept faith is to follow someone blindly but that some one has to win that faith. you can not compel the follower to follow blindly as that becomes blind faith. There are lots of things as said " aapna kitabo ma che " you believe but I and many don't so open the kitaab's to us and let us verify the truthfulness of these. the answer to this is you have to join sabak. in sabak you are giving me your viewpoint but how do I get it verified so give it to me and let me learn on my own and keep the doors open for me to clarify my doubts.

let me ask you other than being born in the family what has SMS actually done that you can put your faith in him. for the time before nass declared many of us did not know that SMB has a son by the name SMS as the people in the lime light were QJ. MA, Huzefabhaisaab.

you say about the pigeon story to be true. there was a bayan about pigeon coming and blood dropping on some one in madina and that ugly looking girl started looking good. but from karbala to madina is about 1600kms. pigeon should take about 8 days to reach there by which time the blood should dry up how did the drop fell.

you say 4 years son was Imam Hassan's grandson. give me the name of the grand son and the rivayat you have saying that he was the son of Imam Hussain Mohammad ul Baqir.

don't come with lame talks like fazail's etc. they are good to make people develop a super natural image of the one in the heart but its the mind that needs evidences which have to be logically proved or else people like you will have to accept that you are all in blind faith like the people of pheron.

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:29 am

salaar wrote:
actual_progressive wrote:In yesterday"s majlis there was a bayan that imam Hasan"s four year old son died in karbala.so much emontional.hands cut down and all so that.but I don't understand Karbala battel had taken place 10 years after demise of imam Hasan.so how can his four year old son be there.first I thought I heard wrong but the person tell it four to five times both.imam Hasan"s son and four year old.so emotional but how can I belive? Relay worldwide. Everybody listing but nobody questioned or nobody ever care for real thing then artificial story.
Yes ofcourse Imam Hasans 4 years old son who sacrificed his life on his kakajee sahib like the 4 year old son of Imam Hussain Mohammad ul Baqir who was also there in karbala, he was the grandson, son of son is also your son isnt it.
Could you clarify please - How is it possible that the 4-year old boy was the son of Imam Mohammed al Baqir when the Imam himself was just 4 years old at the time of Karbala ? At the said time, Imam Ali Zain al Abedeen was 23 years old.

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Unread post by salaar » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:32 am

First please let me clear I am not at all defending SMS, Iam myself a critic of his money making theories. Now you were talking abt Jabir bin Abdullah al Ansari and his objection on Imam Hasans decision but intentions matters a lot in contrast i would give you an example of Bilal e Habshi who was the moazzin of RasoolAllah and throughout his life he apparently remained in the khidmat of RasoolAllah but during Siffin he showed his nifaaq towards Maula Ali and opposed his decision to fight, he was not asked to change his decision and immediately seperated from the ranks of ashaab Ali, only waliullah knows the purity of your heart and intentions, jabir was bestowed with the ziarat of Rasoolallah as he had a unshakeable faith and his intentions were not dubious. So . We are people who do sin in our every breath what to talk or compare our act with the act and ikhlaas of jabir bin Abdullah. The events that are narrated about Karbala I would only say what my moula Mohammad ul baqir said to Abu hanifa ke tanay aa waat ma shak che ke aa laakri Rasoolallah no che Magar aa waat ma tou shak nathi ke aa gosht anay khoon bhi Rasoolallah nou che, what I am saying is if you have doubts abt these events just forget them or consider them exaggeration but keep your faith strong on the message and purpose of this sacrifice. If your child has pain in his finger how concern you become giving the best medication just imagine with what heart he lifted the body of Ali Akbar, ignore small things concentrate on the objective.

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Re: Ashara 1436 Surat

#330

Unread post by salaar » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:08 am

Disillusioned I never said that the 4 year old was the son of Mohammad ul baqir I was just intended to say that like Mohammad ul baqir who was the grandson of imam Hussain , this 4 year old was the grandson of imam Hasan.