actual_progressive wrote:In yesterday"s majlis there was a bayan that imam Hasan"s four year old son died in karbala.so much emontional.hands cut down and all so that.but I don't understand Karbala battel had taken place 10 years after demise of imam Hasan.so how can his four year old son be there.first I thought I heard wrong but the person tell it four to five times both.imam Hasan"s son and four year old.so emotional but how can I belive? Relay worldwide. Everybody listing but nobody questioned or nobody ever care for real thing then artificial story.
Yes ofcourse Imam Hasans 4 years old son who sacrificed his life on his kakajee sahib like the 4 year old son of Imam Hussain Mohammad ul Baqir who was also there in karbala, he was the grandson, son of son is also your son isnt it. secondly somebody reffered to the pigeon which came from karbala with the blood of Hussain on its feathers, this is not a new addition infact it was always mentioned in the waiz not just ours but in shia majlis also, it was after the arrival of that pigeon that Umme Salamah a.s went to see the sand in the bottle given by RasoolAllah and found that it has changed its color. when we discuss these events related to karbala which are mentioned in our books dont look at them with an eye of critic because there are justifications for all of them but if we evaluate them in our standards we get entangled in doubts, we are talking about the fazails of the moula who was the grandson of Rasoolallah for whom he said HUSSAIN MINNI WA ANA MINAL HUSSAIN and Hasan and Hussain are the leaders of the youth of jannah, therefore pls concentrate on the message and purpose for which Moula Hussain gave his life and the lives of his whole family from 80 years old Habib ibn e Mazahir to the 6 months old Shahzada Ali Asghar instead of arguing about every little thing, their presentation maybe difficult to understand but overlook the argument portion or you would miss and get wayward from the actual qurbani and message of Moula Hussain.
I have read your post and have certain doubts about what you say :
you say we should not question our doubts : in the waez of 9th muhrram SMS has said that if we have doubts we should ask like Jabber had asked Imam Hassan about why he has done sulah with Muawwiyah. Jabber gets his answer by which he is satisfied but, when someone who has been with Rasool and Ali and has seen this Imam growing from child to becoming an Imam very closely even than can get an doubt in his mind which is said as approppriate to be asked than why can't we ask doubts to our dai and have to follow everything blindly.
I accept faith is to follow someone blindly but that some one has to win that faith. you can not compel the follower to follow blindly as that becomes blind faith. There are lots of things as said " aapna kitabo ma che " you believe but I and many don't so open the kitaab's to us and let us verify the truthfulness of these. the answer to this is you have to join sabak. in sabak you are giving me your viewpoint but how do I get it verified so give it to me and let me learn on my own and keep the doors open for me to clarify my doubts.
let me ask you other than being born in the family what has SMS actually done that you can put your faith in him. for the time before nass declared many of us did not know that SMB has a son by the name SMS as the people in the lime light were QJ. MA, Huzefabhaisaab.
you say about the pigeon story to be true. there was a bayan about pigeon coming and blood dropping on some one in madina and that ugly looking girl started looking good. but from karbala to madina is about 1600kms. pigeon should take about 8 days to reach there by which time the blood should dry up how did the drop fell.
you say 4 years son was Imam Hassan's grandson. give me the name of the grand son and the rivayat you have saying that he was the son of Imam Hussain Mohammad ul Baqir.
don't come with lame talks like fazail's etc. they are good to make people develop a super natural image of the one in the heart but its the mind that needs evidences which have to be logically proved or else people like you will have to accept that you are all in blind faith like the people of pheron.