Fatemi Dawat

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:07 am

Hamd wrote:KQ ke acche din aa gaye lagte hain, bohra to koi unki dawat join nahi kar raha to wahabiyo ko hi dawat di jaa rahi hain, kyu ke wahabi akal se paidal hote hain aur unhe bewakoof banana aasaan hain... KQ sahab kindly change your head quarter from thane to ISIL territory in Iraq :mrgreen: waha wahabi bewakoof bhare pade hain aapki dawat ki dukaan waha zaroor chal padengi. :idea:
Hamd
If you get a chance to learn a little of history of how dawat came to india and how it was propogated to hindus (idol worshippers) then you would not have shown your ignorance ( which seems to be in abundance in DMBS followers)... If we go by your illogical and dumb mentality , then imam mustansir was unable to find muslims to whom he could have propogated his dawat hence he sent his emissaries to the "cow worshipping" people of india and did dawat to them ( most probably some of your dumb ancestors who gave us a dumb progeny like you.)

P.S. DMBS = Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:14 am

noor5253 wrote:Bakersfield has worst drought conditions in US
i posted this earlier but i think admin only puts what they feel will benefit their munafiq qutbishttp://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/Repor ... l?mobile=y

..
Do you know there is no electricity and water in Yemen and that is why another money making scheme of Rabeha Solar system was started? So you brain dead Noor, who would you blame for lack of electricity and water in Yemen Is that because of SKQ too..

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:01 pm

noor525345 recently had constipation from drinking too little water whilst in bakersfield. the lack of water and noor's constipation were both caused by kq. as a result of this condition, noor's toilet got blocked, it overflowed and damaged the apartment below, resulting in damages to noor of 15,000 dollars. noor's wife was so upset with him, that she gave up making roti's and sat in a corner of the house wearing a ridha. many more catastrophic events were a side result.

doing laanatbaazi against kq caused kq to turn his 'tez nazar' on noor and with his supernatural powers he made noor miserable. the question here which begs an answer is, if noor prayed to his mola mufatlal, did mannats with 100 sajdas to him, then why muft was unable to counter kq's magic. why???

this proves that kq is far more powerful than mufatlal. noor, contemplate this and tremble. if you have hijaars, hide them, because they will all get yellow as soon as you wear them.

haqniwaat
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:45 pm

"Sabaq is a term denoting a teacher or mufeed educating a student or mustafeed in the principles, knowledge and values of aale Mohammed. It is based on the kitaabs that have been composed by our hudaat over centuries and is conducted by the raza of Daiz-zamaan Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin. Sabaq begins with the zahir level which includes jurisprudence (fiqeh), history and hikmat. The next level is taweel, which requires a basic foundation in zahir. Ta’weel includes the deeper and intellectual meaning of the practices of Shari’at, the verses of the Qur’an and the stories of Anbiya’. The final level is haqiqat.
With raza Mubarak of Syedna Qutbuddin sabaq are regularly conducted at Darus Sakina for all levels.
For those who are not in Mumbai or cannot physically attend sabaq at one of the centres, Syedna Qutbuddin has graciously granted raza for sabaq to be conducted via electronic media.
This section gives details of the various sabaqs and their timings and the procedure for registering." -- http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/education/sabaq/

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:45 pm

"The Markaz directory has been updated on Fatemidawat.com and will continue to be updated as new centers are formalized. These community centers will help and support mumineen for religious and social activities. Each Markaz has a Mas’ul (Coordinator) who is responsible for organizing and facilitating the following:

Ibaadat – Namaz and Majlis with Syedna’s TUS raza Mubarak.
Madrasa for children and Sabaq
Rites – Birth (chhatti/Aqeeqa/Misaaq/Nikah/Burial)
Social Support (Zahra Hasanaat Activities) – Helping those who require medical, educational assistance (Qutbi Jubilee Scholarship Program).
Community gatherings – social get-togethers
Communities organized under the guidance of Syedna Qutbuddin TUS should aim to espouse key fundamentals of Syedna’s philosophy and then work towards these goals together. First, following the example of their Mawali Tahereen, mumineen should strive to be good, honest, decent and kind human beings. Tolerance is a key aspect of our religion, and mumineen should maintain the dignity and respect of their mumin brothers and sisters at all times. A mumin’s faith, imaan, is his or her badge of honor, and there should be no intolerance or persecution within our community. Following this concept, the hurmat and sanctity of each mumin must be preserved. No one should be allowed to malign others. It is imperative that there be unity in the jama’at; that all jama’at members live in harmony and concord. In Dawat majalis and in all mumineen gatherings, an atmosphere of joy and tranquility should prevail.

Second, Mumineen should also strive to be helpful to all God’s children. Rasulullah has said, “All humans are children of God, and God loves him who helps his children,” (al-khalqu iyal-ul-lah wa-ahabbu n-nasi ila-llahi anfa’uhu li-‘iyalihi). Mumineen are encouraged to engage with their local communities in positive ways. We should strive to be an open and inclusive society. We must restore the tradition of mutual respect and fellowship with other religious communities, and engage in enhancing the social welfare of fellow Indians and of our compatriots in whichever country we live.

To read the detailed philosophy and vision of Syedna Qutbuddin please visit http://www.fatemidawat.com/philosophy/

The current update includes centers in: India (Mumbai - South, Hyderabad/Secunderabad, and Pune), UK (London and Leicester), Europe (Paris), USA (Bakersfield, Poconos, Chicago, Clark County – Nevada, San Jose, Los Angeles, Boston, Houston, Detroit, Seattle), Canada (Toronto – Mississauga), Far East (Singapore), Gulf Countries (Abu Dhabi – UAE).

Please view contact details of these coordinators on http://www.Fatemidawat.com/contact/dire ... arkaz.html .

If you would like to organize a center in your hometown please contact info@fatemidawat.com."

Universaldad
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Universaldad » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:19 am

haqniwaat wrote:"The Markaz directory has been updated on Fatemidawat.com and will continue to be updated as new centers are formalized. These community centers will help and support mumineen for religious and social activities. Each Markaz has a Mas’ul (Coordinator) who is responsible for organizing and facilitating the following:

Ibaadat – Namaz and Majlis with Syedna’s TUS raza Mubarak.
Madrasa for children and Sabaq
Rites – Birth (chhatti/Aqeeqa/Misaaq/Nikah/Burial)
Social Support (Zahra Hasanaat Activities) – Helping those who require medical, educational assistance (Qutbi Jubilee Scholarship Program).
Community gatherings – social get-togethers
Communities organized under the guidance of Syedna Qutbuddin TUS should aim to espouse key fundamentals of Syedna’s philosophy and then work towards these goals together. First, following the example of their Mawali Tahereen, mumineen should strive to be good, honest, decent and kind human beings. Tolerance is a key aspect of our religion, and mumineen should maintain the dignity and respect of their mumin brothers and sisters at all times. A mumin’s faith, imaan, is his or her badge of honor, and there should be no intolerance or persecution within our community. Following this concept, the hurmat and sanctity of each mumin must be preserved. No one should be allowed to malign others. It is imperative that there be unity in the jama’at; that all jama’at members live in harmony and concord. In Dawat majalis and in all mumineen gatherings, an atmosphere of joy and tranquility should prevail.

Second, Mumineen should also strive to be helpful to all God’s children. Rasulullah has said, “All humans are children of God, and God loves him who helps his children,” (al-khalqu iyal-ul-lah wa-ahabbu n-nasi ila-llahi anfa’uhu li-‘iyalihi). Mumineen are encouraged to engage with their local communities in positive ways. We should strive to be an open and inclusive society. We must restore the tradition of mutual respect and fellowship with other religious communities, and engage in enhancing the social welfare of fellow Indians and of our compatriots in whichever country we live.

To read the detailed philosophy and vision of Syedna Qutbuddin please visit http://www.fatemidawat.com/philosophy/

The current update includes centers in: India (Mumbai - South, Hyderabad/Secunderabad, and Pune), UK (London and Leicester), Europe (Paris), USA (Bakersfield, Poconos, Chicago, Clark County – Nevada, San Jose, Los Angeles, Boston, Houston, Detroit, Seattle), Canada (Toronto – Mississauga), Far East (Singapore), Gulf Countries (Abu Dhabi – UAE).

Please view contact details of these coordinators on http://www.Fatemidawat.com/contact/dire ... arkaz.html .

If you would like to organize a center in your hometown please contact info@fatemidawat.com."

Hahahaha....

Haqniwaat, nice to see you advertise KQ Qutbi Dawaat here. Its only natural that they are the ones who will call for you Fateli Dawat after coming out with the details of KQ's support for the dushmans of SMB and his dawat.

http://www.anonyme.com/View/e36e6481-d7 ... 17717d8c6c

Why is it no surprise to anyone to learn that KQ and Engineer, Contractor and Insaaf are all a team.

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Sceptical » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:20 am

Universaldad , this is the same article which was banned/deleted from wikipedia. reasons : no sources, no reference, just allegations. :lol:
Universalidad is definitely one of [DELETED] trolling in various websites.

kimanumanu
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:31 am

And this is what a true mumin does apparently.

SBM
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:05 am

Why is it no surprise to anyone to learn that KQ and Engineer, Contractor and Insaaf are all a team.

Universaldad
What an educated and humble group of people who cared for community

Ozdundee
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:06 pm

SMS and his goons may try to make conspiracy theories about SKQ and reformists, but the SMS objective is to discredit SKQ rather than fact...they have been throwing countless combination of dirt to see which sticks.

There is no alliance as yet...but there is desire by some reformist to join forces for tactical reasons .

The problem is fundamental differences between the 2 parties on the path of future direction, one is SKQ is unlikely to shake off the STS and SMB ideology that is heavily corrupt and deviant. It is a catch 22.

Some reformists are also true to their principles and honour that they cannot go backwards on commitment to reform the ingrained evils , and root causes for short term gains or popularity. I think that is a valid cause that differentiates quality reformists with solid convictions from just whiners and people seeking fame and positions and flip flopping loyalty.

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:11 pm

Universaldad wrote:
Why is it no surprise to anyone to learn that KQ and Engineer, Contractor and Insaaf are all a team.
your anger and resentment is that ......[deleted] you has been left out of this team of intellectuals, social workers and reformers, isnt it?'.

[deleted]

Universaldad
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Universaldad » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:07 am

SBM wrote:
Why is it no surprise to anyone to learn that KQ and Engineer, Contractor and Insaaf are all a team.

Universaldad
What an educated and humble group of people who cared for community

yes for that reason KQ took these so called intellectuals and started his own new dawat. Time the PDB website clearly decides that they are a part of the of the Khozemite community and that they will hence forth work towards reforming KQ and his eka duka toli. :D

haqniwaat
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:28 pm

"Dr. Bazat Tahera baisaheba was invited by UNESCO (The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) to participate in a roundtable conference on “The contribution of Ali ibn Abi Talib's Thought to a Culture of Peace and Intercultural Dialogue.” It was held at UNESCO Headquarters in Paris, France, on 20th November 2014. UNESCO is the cultural branch of the United Nations and this conference was organized by UNESCO’s Iraq office based in Jordan and Paris as part of UNESCO’s World Philosophy Day celebrations." -- http://www.fatemidawat.com/events/event ... table.html

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by asad » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:26 pm

Universaldad wrote:
SBM wrote: What an educated and humble group of people who cared for community

yes for that reason KQ took these so called intellectuals and started his own new dawat. Time the PDB website clearly decides that they are a part of the of the Khozemite community and that they will hence forth work towards reforming KQ and his eka duka toli. :D
Why so much eagerness in putting PDB in a box?

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by YaHussain » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:50 am

haqniwaat wrote:"Dr. Bazat Tahera baisaheba was invited by UNESCO (The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) to participate in a roundtable conference on “The contribution of Ali ibn Abi Talib's Thought to a Culture of Peace and Intercultural Dialogue.” It was held at UNESCO Headquarters in Paris, France, on 20th November 2014. UNESCO is the cultural branch of the United Nations and this conference was organized by UNESCO’s Iraq office based in Jordan and Paris as part of UNESCO’s World Philosophy Day celebrations." -- http://www.fatemidawat.com/events/event ... table.html
since you always blame dawoodi bohras for paying official we have all rights to ask, how much was paid by KQ for this? :roll:

Universaldad
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Universaldad » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:45 am

asad wrote:
Universaldad wrote:
yes for that reason KQ took these so called intellectuals and started his own new dawat. Time the PDB website clearly decides that they are a part of the of the Khozemite community and that they will hence forth work towards reforming KQ and his eka duka toli. :D
Why so much eagerness in putting PDB in a box?
Box or Carton... the PDB have themselves gone into a Box. The Dawoodi Bohras gave their misaq to SMS and the Khozemites have given their support to KQ. However the PDB are in limbo as to who to call Dai and then oppose and reform this Dai. The Khozemites and their leader KQ are desperately trying to woo the PDB into their fold.

The way one sees it is that the PDB are fighting for their existence, its only the older generation who are still opposing the Dawoodi Bohra community, the younger generations of these people have already moved away from anything to do with Bohras, in some cases shi'ism and in some cases islam itself. Utterly confused and disorganised lot. Same can be said of KQ toli... here today... gone tomorrow.....

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:56 am

gone tomorrow---may be yes-- to waten e qadim
but u will be here only---dont know where will u land afterwards.

Ozdundee
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:19 pm

Universaldad wrote: Box or Carton... the PDB have themselves gone into a Box. The Dawoodi Bohras gave their misaq to SMS and the Khozemites have given their support to KQ. However the PDB are in limbo as to who to call Dai and then oppose and reform this Dai. The Khozemites and their leader KQ are desperately trying to woo the PDB into their fold.

The way one sees it is that the PDB are fighting for their existence, its only the older generation who are still opposing the Dawoodi Bohra community, the younger generations of these people have already moved away from anything to do with Bohras, in some cases shi'ism and in some cases islam itself. Utterly confused and disorganised lot. Same can be said of KQ toli... here today... gone tomorrow.....
Don't be so optimistic...reformists will be around in some form or other...you cannot suppress humanity instinct to change, liberate and improve. We have been around for 1400 years since our Prophet SAW or Issa SAW or Musa sAW came to reform traditions and arrogance. Accepting status quo or dynastic rule is not constant...change is constant.

SKQ is a reformist in some way or other. Islam was a refromists religion.

People may know the difference between PDB and reformists. One is a noun while the other is a profession!

Ozdundee is a reformist but not a member of PDB or fatemidawat

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The Khutba of Maulatuna Zainab in the Court of Yazeed in Sha

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:51 pm

"The Khutba of Maulatuna Zainab in the Court of Yazeed in Shaam
On the solemn occasion of Imam Husain SA Chehlum, we present a paper on the Khutba (oration) delivered by Maulatuna Zainab AS in the court of the Umyyad caliph Yazeed. Maulatuna Zainab delivered this heart rending khutba after Ahle Bayt were driven as prisoners from Karbala to Kufa and then Shaam, the Umayyad seat of power. The khutba of was presented with translation and annotation by Shz. Dr. Tahera baisaheba at Columbia University, New York, in February 2013. Presented here is a short excerpt, the full translation and annotation is presented on fatemidawat.com"
-- http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/re ... shaam.html

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:01 pm

YaHussain wrote:
haqniwaat wrote:"Dr. Bazat Tahera baisaheba was invited by UNESCO (The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) to participate in a roundtable conference on “The contribution of Ali ibn Abi Talib's Thought to a Culture of Peace and Intercultural Dialogue.” It was held at UNESCO Headquarters in Paris, France, on 20th November 2014. UNESCO is the cultural branch of the United Nations and this conference was organized by UNESCO’s Iraq office based in Jordan and Paris as part of UNESCO’s World Philosophy Day celebrations." -- http://www.fatemidawat.com/events/event ... table.html
since you always blame dawoodi bohras for paying official we have all rights to ask, how much was paid by KQ for this? :roll:
Zero dollars.

Universaldad
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Re: The Khutba of Maulatuna Zainab in the Court of Yazeed in

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Unread post by Universaldad » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:17 am

haqniwaat wrote:"The Khutba of Maulatuna Zainab in the Court of Yazeed in Shaam
On the solemn occasion of Imam Husain SA Chehlum, we present a paper on the Khutba (oration) delivered by Maulatuna Zainab AS in the court of the Umyyad caliph Yazeed. Maulatuna Zainab delivered this heart rending khutba after Ahle Bayt were driven as prisoners from Karbala to Kufa and then Shaam, the Umayyad seat of power. The khutba of was presented with translation and annotation by Shz. Dr. Tahera baisaheba at Columbia University, New York, in February 2013. Presented here is a short excerpt, the full translation and annotation is presented on fatemidawat.com"
-- http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/re ... shaam.html

looks like KQ na Haq - ne - waat lagi che. :D

so desperate are the Khozemites that they have to advertise their insignificant clan on this forum to woo professional reformists :D

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by allbird » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:30 am

noor5253 wrote:
haqniwaat wrote: If you would like to begin a conversation/dialogue, let me know. I think at this point we are hoping that any progressives who are interested would say so. The doors are open to everyone with no strings attached. Please feel free to contact me at haqniwaat@cox.net.
I will forward your message.
anajmi wrote:SKQ has my vote. I believe this Dai is a step in the right direction. Although I am still surprised why he hasn't approached the progressives and vice versa if he is open to accountability.

Every 50 years or so, with the creation of a separate bohra sect, the new sect will hopefully be better than the last one.
This shows clearly that Shaqqniwaat (not haq) and his ilk are ready to join hands with the devil for their cause.. As has been said Dushman na dushman apna dost..

Shaqniwaat seems to be one of the close aides of the great satan from thane. Probably the guy who goes with the sons to court as well.
I never understand Bohra mentality, these same people were doing Sajda and tasneem to this Mazoon from last 50 years and also going for Arz, Muswaraah, advice, settle disputes and even Raza in absence of Aqa Moula RA. Now suddenly Lanaat and curses without any qualms and hesitation. Unless they have hatred in their hearts from last 50 years hidden. And now we all are coming in masses to pray lanaat on these saheb-q-ilm. I am NOT pro-SKQ but i would never say Lanaats with others in SMS majalis. I have seen SKQ and many a times done Qadambosi during my lifetime. And also heard from other people how advice from SKQ has solved lots of their personal and business "Mushqilaat" difficulties were resolved. SKQ does have Ilm which all those people who say Lanaat lacks.
I wonder how those people are feeling whose life changed with SKQ advice but now they are in SMS's side. Are we Ehsan feramose , ungrateful lot.

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by allbird » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:58 am

haqniwaat wrote:Chronology of Da'i, Mazoon, & Mukasir from Syedna Zoeb RA - http://www.fatemidawat.com/about/histor ... decessors/
@haqniwaat Why did Dawat -e- Mazoon for 50 years walked away from saifee Mahal and and started another firq ? Does he feel cheated by previous Dai or the bothers pressurised their father to do Nass on SMS and under peer pressure it was done. Did Bu-saheb wanted SMS to be next Dai ? If Aqa Moula RA is right and said during the nass of SKQ "ke mumineen bhai ne sajado karse shuru ma...." not sure of exact wordings. And as we know Aqa Moula RA words always came "TRUE" what is SKQ's next step. Sitting in Thane with Sabr will take him nowhere. Court cases will ROT and delay, decay, without proof and absence of NASS video of SKQ no court will support SKQ. Imam will NEVER appear to testify who is right or wrong.
How long we have to keep giving Sukar-na-Najwa and Ghani (Gold coins) in Hajrat Aliyah. Why was Saifee Mahal cashed out and Cama house not accepted as alternate, and settled for Thane.

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by humanbeing » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:14 am

allbird wrote:these same people were doing Sajda and tasneem to this Mazoon from last 50 years and also going for Arz, Muswaraah, advice, settle disputes and even Raza in absence of Aqa Moula RA. Now suddenly Lanaat and curses without any qualms and hesitation. Unless they have hatred in their hearts from last 50 years hidden. And now we all are coming in masses to pray lanaat on these saheb-q-ilm.
Majority of abdes, don’t really understand nor aware of the root of this problem. These are abde zombies behaving in a mob-mentality or frenzy. Programmed subconsciously to adapt to anything that can be lapped off and practices in guise of walayat, these abdes are taught that by throwing laanat they are getting sawaab, now abdes are going in a overdrive to accumulate as much sawaab and khushi of maula with choicest laanat, abuses and profanities. More creative they get in their abuses with intensity will invoke more pleasure of maula and get sawaab. Isnt this more attractive, convenient and fun to get sawaab ?

allbird
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by allbird » Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:16 am

No Sawaab for saying Lanaat, Sawaab ONLY for DUA ! Yes i totally agree with you. I am part of this community too and confused as many of us are right now in LIMBO

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Critical_Thinker » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:45 pm

Universaldad wrote:Box or Carton... the PDB have themselves gone into a Box. The Dawoodi Bohras gave their misaq to SMS and the Khozemites have given their support to KQ. However the PDB are in limbo as to who to call Dai and then oppose and reform this Dai. The Khozemites and their leader KQ are desperately trying to woo the PDB into their fold.

The way one sees it is that the PDB are fighting for their existence, its only the older generation who are still opposing the Dawoodi Bohra community, the younger generations of these people have already moved away from anything to do with Bohras, in some cases shi'ism and in some cases islam itself. Utterly confused and disorganised lot. Same can be said of KQ toli... here today... gone tomorrow.....
What makes you think SKQ is trying to woo the udaipuris?
I am not aware of anything of the sort.

None of the younger udaipuris have left.
Indeed the new generation have even stronger faith in shia islam.

People said the PDB community would be here today, gone tomorrow.
Yet here we still are after so many decades.
This kind of thing has been said about every split in the ummah.
Going back all the way to the split between abubakr and ali.
Im sure the SKQ jamaat is here to stay too.

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Critical_Thinker » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:00 pm

Ozdundee wrote:Ozdundee is a reformist but not a member of PDB or fatemidawat
Fascinating.
If you consider yourself a 'reformist' why have you not joined the progressive jamaat?
Do you have something against our ideals?

If you are not a member of the PDB jamaat and I assume the SMS or SKQ jamaat, then what community are you a member of?

Incidentally, why do you refer to yourself in the third person?
Are you somebody important in the community you belong to?

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:19 pm

kindly explain the significance and relevance of your above post. There appears to be none.

Ozdundee
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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:44 pm

Critical_Thinker wrote:
Ozdundee wrote:Ozdundee is a reformist but not a member of PDB or fatemidawat
Fascinating.
If you consider yourself a 'reformist' why have you not joined the progressive jamaat?
Do you have something against our ideals?

If you are not a member of the PDB jamaat and I assume the SMS or SKQ jamaat, then what community are you a member of?

Incidentally, why do you refer to yourself in the third person?
Are you somebody important in the community you belong to?
I will answer this question diplomatically !

There is no established Fatemi Dawaat or PDB Jamaat in Australia and thank you for asking which community I belong to, well many but cannot list as someone will I'd me which I don't want ...and am I important in any of the ones I choose to associate with ...I don't look at it that way ...I rather hope my contribution is important and valuable to communities I serve, I don't like being a passenger on a free ride if you get my point that does not give me rights to express my opinion. :D

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Re: Fatemi Dawat

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Unread post by Universaldad » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:07 am

Critical_Thinker wrote:
Universaldad wrote:Box or Carton... the PDB have themselves gone into a Box. The Dawoodi Bohras gave their misaq to SMS and the Khozemites have given their support to KQ. However the PDB are in limbo as to who to call Dai and then oppose and reform this Dai. The Khozemites and their leader KQ are desperately trying to woo the PDB into their fold.

The way one sees it is that the PDB are fighting for their existence, its only the older generation who are still opposing the Dawoodi Bohra community, the younger generations of these people have already moved away from anything to do with Bohras, in some cases shi'ism and in some cases islam itself. Utterly confused and disorganised lot. Same can be said of KQ toli... here today... gone tomorrow.....
What makes you think SKQ is trying to woo the udaipuris?
I am not aware of anything of the sort.

None of the younger udaipuris have left.
Indeed the new generation have even stronger faith in shia islam.

People said the PDB community would be here today, gone tomorrow.
Yet here we still are after so many decades.


This kind of thing has been said about every split in the ummah.
Going back all the way to the split between abubakr and ali.
Im sure the SKQ jamaat is here to stay too.
May be you are not aware, but one of KQ's sons is active on this forum and the have made an arrangement with the administrators of this forum to help them support their cause.

KQ dawat has no principals... anything will do so long as you pledge him support. He will turn haram into halal for you if that is what one seeks. He is desperate for numbers and followers. He wants to show that he has worldly knowledge and some deeni ilm and that he can pacify the biting conscious of the reformists by giving them a bogus Dai.