Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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think
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by think » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:26 pm

Totally agree with your frustration. common sense is not so common. May Allah give you strength. Get up, gather a few like minded mumineen and beat the hell out of the chamchas and Amil. They deserve this treatment. you are right , and they are wrong.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:44 pm

Forwarded as Received :

KOTHAR IS SHITTING IN THEIR PANTS AFTER THEIR EXPOSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA !!

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL SOCIAL SITE VISITORS.

Please do not forward any message in the name of Aqa Mola TUS. Only messages from ITS and Al Vazarat are authentic.

Please check in your group that all are followers of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and see that dawat akhbar photos audios and videos are not forwarded from your group.

Please see that nobody posts anything on your group against dawat or Raza na Saheb. If anyone has complain than they can do Arzi to Huzurala TUS by various means including hawaij.org.

These days munafeqeen are trying to break mumineen Jazba by injecting false messages during the time of ibadat like many mumineen received messages after wafat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

It is reported that mumineen are spending most of their time on social sites. As per bayan Mubarak, mumin ne laazim che waqt ni ganimat lai. Use your time in creative activities rather then doing time pass on social forums.

Also it has been reported that muminat behno are being ridiculed by spam callers. It is advised that do thorough check before you join any online social group or share your contact number or post your personal details including photos etc.

It is apt (laazim) for every reader to make their fellow mumin brother and sister aware of these points.

DO NOT FORWARD ANY MESSAGE AGAINST DAWAT. ALL YOUR ONLINE ILLICIT ACTIVITIES ARE BEING REPORTED TO SAHEBO. STRICT ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST CULPRITS.

Wassalam.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:06 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Forwarded as Received :

KOTHAR IS SHITTING IN THEIR PANTS AFTER THEIR EXPOSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA !!

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL SOCIAL SITE VISITORS.

Please do not forward any message in the name of Aqa Mola TUS. Only messages from ITS and Al Vazarat are authentic.

Please check in your group that all are followers of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and see that dawat akhbar photos audios and videos are not forwarded from your group.

Please see that nobody posts anything on your group against dawat or Raza na Saheb. If anyone has complain than they can do Arzi to Huzurala TUS by various means including hawaij.org.

These days munafeqeen are trying to break mumineen Jazba by injecting false messages during the time of ibadat like many mumineen received messages after wafat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

It is reported that mumineen are spending most of their time on social sites. As per bayan Mubarak, mumin ne laazim che waqt ni ganimat lai. Use your time in creative activities rather then doing time pass on social forums.

Also it has been reported that muminat behno are being ridiculed by spam callers. It is advised that do thorough check before you join any online social group or share your contact number or post your personal details including photos etc.

It is apt (laazim) for every reader to make their fellow mumin brother and sister aware of these points.

DO NOT FORWARD ANY MESSAGE AGAINST DAWAT. ALL YOUR ONLINE ILLICIT ACTIVITIES ARE BEING REPORTED TO SAHEBO. STRICT ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST CULPRITS.

Wassalam.
Certainly shitting in their pants. Work their way by stifling no killing any opinion. NO freedom of speech and expression and want zombies as followers who fill their coffers. Freedom of speech is curtailed only if you have all & entire cupboards filled with skeletons.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:22 pm

It is reported that mumineen are spending most of their time on social sites. As per bayan Mubarak, mumin ne laazim che waqt ni ganimat lai. Use your time in creative activities rather then doing time pass on social forums.
It is also reported that Muffadal and his Goons are spending most their time collecting Cash. As per Imam's Hidayat, Dai ne Laazim che key Mumineen ney Pareshan Naa Karey, Instead of using his time in creative activities of collecting more cash, he should be doing Ibaada.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by think » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:34 pm

or shake hands with the madagascar chief and cover him with a shawl.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:01 pm

Kothar will face herculean task containing social media! I hope the social media trouble for the Kothar grow exponentially! I urge all members to fully utilize social media to the maximum as a tool to expose the Kothar mafias!
AgnosticIndian wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:Forwarded as Received :

KOTHAR IS SHITTING IN THEIR PANTS AFTER THEIR EXPOSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA !!

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL SOCIAL SITE VISITORS.

Please do not forward any message in the name of Aqa Mola TUS. Only messages from ITS and Al Vazarat are authentic.

Please check in your group that all are followers of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and see that dawat akhbar photos audios and videos are not forwarded from your group.

Please see that nobody posts anything on your group against dawat or Raza na Saheb. If anyone has complain than they can do Arzi to Huzurala TUS by various means including hawaij.org.

These days munafeqeen are trying to break mumineen Jazba by injecting false messages during the time of ibadat like many mumineen received messages after wafat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

It is reported that mumineen are spending most of their time on social sites. As per bayan Mubarak, mumin ne laazim che waqt ni ganimat lai. Use your time in creative activities rather then doing time pass on social forums.

Also it has been reported that muminat behno are being ridiculed by spam callers. It is advised that do thorough check before you join any online social group or share your contact number or post your personal details including photos etc.

It is apt (laazim) for every reader to make their fellow mumin brother and sister aware of these points.

DO NOT FORWARD ANY MESSAGE AGAINST DAWAT. ALL YOUR ONLINE ILLICIT ACTIVITIES ARE BEING REPORTED TO SAHEBO. STRICT ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST CULPRITS.

Wassalam.
Certainly shitting in their pants. Work their way by stifling no killing any opinion. NO freedom of speech and expression and want zombies as followers who fill their coffers. Freedom of speech is curtailed only if you have all & entire cupboards filled with skeletons.

AgnosticIndian
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:33 pm

dawedaar wrote:Kothar will face herculean task containing social media! I hope the social media trouble for the Kothar grow exponentially! I urge all members to fully utilize social media to the maximum as a tool to expose the Kothar mafias!
AgnosticIndian wrote: Certainly shitting in their pants. Work their way by stifling no killing any opinion. NO freedom of speech and expression and want zombies as followers who fill their coffers. Freedom of speech is curtailed only if you have all & entire cupboards filled with skeletons.

Twitter and Facebook. Twitter more so as things go viral there. During the election season last year, twitter forces political parties to take corrective measures while appointing candidates or inducting people in party.

Prominent example was Pramod Mutalik's induction into the BJP which was overturned in matter of hours after massive outrage by pro BJP twitterati against his induction.

Social media certainly has the power to influence. That's why they want Abdes to be zombies. Not have Facebook accounts, not whatsapp and stay "mashgul" in tilawat so that the kartoot of kotharis is not exposed & propagated. Aa saglu jovai na, aa sagla logo sathey milvanu nai etc so that their cash cows don't wander off

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by Dumbledore » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:37 am

Innovative wudhuh
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by zinger » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:10 am

Dumbledore wrote:Innovative wudhuh
:lol: :lol: :lol:

what a waste of expensive hand sanitizers :mrgreen:

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by Dumbledore » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:18 pm

zinger wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:Innovative wudhuh
:lol: :lol: :lol:

what a waste of expensive hand sanitizers :mrgreen:
Wondering how he is doing kulli with sanitizer...i .doubt he is using sanitizer...

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:52 pm

Do they even know that Hand Sanitizers contains Isopropyl Alcohol

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by WYP » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:19 pm

zinger wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:Innovative wudhuh
:lol: :lol: :lol:

what a waste of expensive hand sanitizers :mrgreen:
watch something...feel the need to comment..insert foot in mouth.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:34 pm

Forwarded as Received :-

Karachi ma je heat wave chaali rahi che ane baarish nathi ye Arz fil Hazratil Imamiyah Nooraniyah ma kidhi.

Mola ye Dua Mubarak farmaavi che ane Dua e Joshan ni tilaavat waaste irshad e muneer farmaayu che.

Inform all Mumineen and start Amal Mustaali
.


P.S. MOLA COULD HAVE INSTEAD DONATED AIR CONDITONERS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM ! :lol: :lol:

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by New » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:28 pm

It looks like Mola's Doa did not go across the border to Karachi and stalled in Mola's home town Mumbai with Beshumar bairsh.

think
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by think » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:37 pm

stupid fools. do they not know that the seas, the winds and the rain clouds are under the control of Al mighty Allah

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by New » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:40 pm

Doa is free while air conditioners cost money...

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:07 am

Frwd as recvd
Please save the msg n read again over next few days n seek the answers for yourself. Pass on to your near n dear ones and discuss freely.

WHAT IF HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
..just think over.
Supposition:
What if, a group of a few bhaisahibs n kothar n aamils n jamea ustaads got together in a conspiracy and started to make accusations n spread false rumours against the present Mazoon saheb to bring him down in the eyes of the people? All this happens openly and still the Dai continues to take the oath of taa'at of the Mazoon from mumineen in the misaq, regardless of the serious accusations of the rebel group. In such a case
Q.) Who would you rather believe n keep faith in - the Mazoon or the rebel group? Why?
Q.) If you believe the rebels to be true, what about your oath in misaq? If indeed you think the rebels are wrong, would you still consider them loyal to, and still in the Dai's misaq?

Supposition :
If the Dai feels that the powerful group of his relatives are fierce enemies of the person the Dai wants to appoint as his successor, and there may even be a risk to the life of his Mansoos if his enemies came to know about his appointment, in such a case what is more important for the Dai

Q.) the safety of the next Dai - the true Captain who shall look after the ruhani safina - the mission of dawat, which can survive only if the next Dai remains safe; and decide to keep the Nass secret from others
Q.) please the relatives, who although outwardly help somewhat in running the safina, in reality are planning to hijack the safina by putting in place as the next captain a person of their own choice? Will the Dai then succumb to the pressure and appoint the person of the relatives' choice OR keep the nass secret, no matter what the consequences?
In that case, is the life of the next Dai and along with him the continuation of the Dawat under the rightful Dai more important for the present Dai or the number of people that will remain on the safina of najaat? Which option would the Dai take?

Supposition:
Whom would you look up to for judgement if two or three or even more claimants came forward if the Dai passed away without a public announcement of the nass ?
Q.) Will you trust the Dai's Mazoon's words, who is second highest in rank after the Dai, and obey what he says or follow other lower ranking persons who go against the Mazoon?
Argument: The Mazoon in satar ni dawat has Full raza from the Dai, to conduct the affairs of Dawat and he has the Dai's absolute faith. Only a person of highest integrity, knowledge and ikhlaas gets appointed by the Dai as his Mazoon. This is Not a political position that may be given to someone for appeasement. The Mukasir of Dawat, for whom the oath of allegiance is also taken in misaq, has limited raza. Mukasir e Dawat Syedi Salehbhaisaheb Safiyuddin had said in his waaz about the difference in the levels of the two rutbas that if the Mukasir is compared to zameen, Mazoon is like aasman.

The answers to all the above theoretical questions, if as supposed to be happening in some other period of time, are quite simple. They are heavily in favour of the Mazoon, and the wisdom in keeping the nass secret whatever be the consequence. The more important question is that, has one indeed made a correct judgment about his faith, as per these same answers, the first time such questions arose in our lifetime, during the later period and after the wafat of Aqa Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA?

The Dai al Mutlaq are referred in the Qur'an as those embedded deep in knowledge. They are the fountainhead and forbearers of the ilm of Rasulullah SA and his progeny, the Imams.This is the most important sign of Haq na Dai, who is never seen floundering in his ilm. Dai outshines all other ulemas through the brilliance of his ilm. The proof of deep spiritual knowledge of the Dai has helped our predecessors mumineen to identify and stay with the true Dai in such times of confusion.
As per our belief, acceptance of all our amal like namaz, roza, zakat depend on the valayat of the Haq na Dai.

The point is how many people have the conviction in their faith and are prepared to stand up to the voice of their conscience and belief.
Why are so many unwilling to step out of the comfort zone, even at the cost of najaat.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:33 am

So in short Dai had more fear of opposition in his heart than tawakkal on ALLAH, he feared more about the enemies instead of doing the right thing and then keep faith on ALLAH.

there was a risk of life for whole panjatan pak but yet nabi(s) declared ALI as Imam in front of 40,000 muslemin and then he did tawakkal on ALLAH to protect Ali(A) and his family.

I really hope people stop defending those who were in clear error.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:52 am

WYP wrote:
zinger wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:

what a waste of expensive hand sanitizers :mrgreen:
watch something...feel the need to comment..insert foot in mouth.
sorry, but... which foot did i put in my mouth? the left one or the right one? Duh!!!

and i can choose to comment whenever and whatever i feel like on. sue me

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by WYP » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:37 am

zinger wrote:
sorry, but... which foot did i put in my mouth? the left one or the right one? Duh!!!

and i can choose to comment whenever and whatever i feel like on. sue me
your intelligence (or lack thereof) is shining through. please comment as much as you want.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:01 pm

Have you ever seen packaging of hand sanitizers. That doesn't look anything close to a sanitizer bottle. It surely is water!
zinger wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:Innovative wudhuh
:lol: :lol: :lol:

what a waste of expensive hand sanitizers :mrgreen:

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:05 pm

Forwarded as Received :-

Narendra Modi ni khushi na khaatir Bohra o ye Fajar ni Namaz baad "Yogabhyaas" kidho.... Ujjain, Najmi Mohalla.


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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:29 pm

Are not they supposed to be reciting Quran or doing other Ibaada
Let us hear our resident Aamil Taha BS aka Adam to help us from all the authentic hidden Books he has about this kind of NAUTANKI during the month of Ramadan

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:06 pm

Come on man, give them a break. Don't act like the Saudis, Taliban or the ISIS!
SBM wrote:Are not they supposed to be reciting Quran or doing other Ibaada
Let us hear our resident Aamil Taha BS aka Adam to help us from all the authentic hidden Books he has about this kind of NAUTANKI during the month of Ramadan

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:12 pm

dawedaar wrote:Come on man, give them a break. Don't act like the Saudis, Taliban or the ISIS!
SBM wrote:Are not they supposed to be reciting Quran or doing other Ibaada
Let us hear our resident Aamil Taha BS aka Adam to help us from all the authentic hidden Books he has about this kind of NAUTANKI during the month of Ramadan
Your comments could be justified but for the TIMING of the Yogabhyaas, why no such thing was prevalent earlier but surfaced only after Yoga Day announced by Narendra Modi ? It is more of an act to appease Modi rather then derive health benefits if any. And to carry out the same in religious places is all the more questionable.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:10 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
dawedaar wrote:Come on man, give them a break. Don't act like the Saudis, Taliban or the ISIS!
Your comments could be justified but for the TIMING of the Yogabhyaas, why no such thing was prevalent earlier but surfaced only after Yoga Day announced by Narendra Modi ? It is more of an act to appease Modi rather then derive health benefits if any. And to carry out the same in religious places is all the more questionable.
To give one more example as to how far the Bohra Dai goes in his feet licking gesture of Modi, the below mentioned article cites L.K. Advani's Rath Yatra passing from Gujarat wherein DAWOODI BOHRA DRUMMERS were also present to welcome the biggest enemies of Muslims :-

"The Gujarat chief minister laid it extravagant for the veteran “yatri” from the moment Advani’s “Jan Chetna Rath” crossed the border of Daman and rolled into his state through Vapi, a chemical hub 400km east of Gandhinagar.

He had a helicopter whirr across the skies till the motorised chariot was smothered with flower petals.

At the welcome arch, Modi lined up a repast that included a baroque representation of “secularism” in the shape of children dressed like priests, “Bharat Mata” and Dawoodi Bohra drummer boys. He marshalled a thousand youths with saffron bandanas on motorcycles to race with the convoy".

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1111107/j ... 717880.jsp

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:52 am

WYP wrote:
zinger wrote:
sorry, but... which foot did i put in my mouth? the left one or the right one? Duh!!!

and i can choose to comment whenever and whatever i feel like on. sue me
your intelligence (or lack thereof) is shining through. please comment as much as you want.
i have no clue what is bugging you so much, anyways, its none of my concern. feel free to squirm while i keep commenting

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:55 am

dawedaar wrote:Have you ever seen packaging of hand sanitizers. That doesn't look anything close to a sanitizer bottle. It surely is water!
zinger wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:

what a waste of expensive hand sanitizers :mrgreen:
you are right, it probably is. i thought the image was being burnt out, but i see now it is a white coloured bottle. also, he gargled with it, so doubt it was sanitizer

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:21 am

Yoga has always been promoted in bohra community if not proactively and zealously as they promote the Dai but subtly. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) was known to do Yoga till his old age. In Saifee Hospital, there is some yoga teaching department as well.
ghulam muhammed wrote:
dawedaar wrote:Come on man, give them a break. Don't act like the Saudis, Taliban or the ISIS!
Your comments could be justified but for the TIMING of the Yogabhyaas, why no such thing was prevalent earlier but surfaced only after Yoga Day announced by Narendra Modi ? It is more of an act to appease Modi rather then derive health benefits if any. And to carry out the same in religious places is all the more questionable.

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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya - 2015

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:27 pm

dawedaar wrote:Yoga has always been promoted in bohra community if not proactively and zealously as they promote the Dai but subtly. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) was known to do Yoga till his old age. In Saifee Hospital, there is some yoga teaching department as well.
ghulam muhammed wrote: Your comments could be justified but for the TIMING of the Yogabhyaas, why no such thing was prevalent earlier but surfaced only after Yoga Day announced by Narendra Modi ? It is more of an act to appease Modi rather then derive health benefits if any. And to carry out the same in religious places is all the more questionable.
Bohras mainstream especially in India are at risk or may be too late drifted out of islamic mainstream traditions and brotherhood. ..such examples are when we are seeking association with HINDU ...from leadership all the way down there is tectonic shift.

Islam al so expects that when. your traditional group is rolling you from islam it is time to cut ties ....our Taqua is diminished