Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:28 pm

https://youtu.be/IrEZNFIKAt8

Please click the above link. I have uploaded this fantastic video footage on YouTube. It shows how Mufaddal Mola snatches money from Bohra men, women and children and how his army of accountants count the booty behind a partition.

Someone really has sneaked into this prohibited area and captured this footage at great risk. I say Bravo to those courageous persons. We need such more videos

What does "squeeze every penny" mean? | Yahoo Answers

It would mean if for instance you were robbing money off someone you would keep going until you made them broke or you get every penny you could until they tumbled you.

Please watch the video. It shows how money robbed from children is being counted behind a long partition by an army of money counters. Observe how one Panda is watching like a hound.

A person chasing money is called greedy; locking it away is called miser; spending it away is called spendthrift; one who has none is called penniless; one who has no urge for money is called ambitionless; one who gets it without toiling, is called anti-social; one who amasses money toiling day and night is called fool because he has no time enjoys fruits of his labor

Where do Shehzadas fit? My take is: Yes, Kothari blueblood Shehzadas and Shehzadais are greedy; they enjoy life beyond imagination, they are not miser....they are self indulging spendthrift; they never use their own money they make Bohra pay for their every luxury; they talk of poverty only for hyping Bohras telling them Molana Ali had kept no money and he used to self-deny pleasure; Shehzadas and Shehzadais are very very anti-social. Like Mongol army, they loot each town they descend. In Farsi they say, Amdand o rabudand o burdand o bastantad o raftand.


They came, they robbed, they carried, they bagged, and they left.

Asghar Vasanwala



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:48 pm

Bohras of Paris Line up to greet the butcher of Muslims :-

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:22 am

Sceptical wrote:
Qadir wrote:There is a prophecy that the rightful successor of a dai will only dafan him and no one has the right or power to do this task.
:?: :?: :?:
not all the Dai were buried by their Mansoos.
True.
But, as mentioned in the Risala, it is the Sunnat of Dawat that if the Mansoos is present in the same city, he must attend the Janaza.
http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/2014/ ... nal-rites/



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Unread post by lawgraduate » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:03 pm

AgnosticIndian wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg :

Another stupid justification of Muffy's daweedari by an abde...

Mola na picture ma one thing if you notice...... Would like to share that Burhanuddin Mola and Mufaddal Mola na paachhal same takiyo (pillow) muko che...... Kitna ishaaro hikmat na pehla sij hata !!
:lol: :lol:

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Duh! The pillow was to show that Muffy was a Zada amongst the others present. They have to show the class difference. How can be sit on same looking chair as others
other sitting there are also sehzadas, MB was delibrately promoting mufaddal every where, he wanted his own blood in leadership rather than his half brother.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by mnoorani » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:01 am

Adam wrote:
Sceptical wrote: :?: :?: :?:
not all the Dai were buried by their Mansoos.
True.
But, as mentioned in the Risala, it is the Sunnat of Dawat that if the Mansoos is present in the same city, he must attend the Janaza.
http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/2014/ ... nal-rites/
Here you go again Adam,
Why are you underlying the importance of the position of the Mazoon ? Is not the position the second highest rightfull position after the Dai ? When the Imam is not in hiding then the position of the Dai is the highest and there have been cases where there have been more than one Dai under an Imam at the same time but only during the Imams presence, when not in Parda. But when the Imam goes into parda then the Dai is the highest authority and then comes the Mazoon. So when a Dai goes into Parda the Mazoon becomes the all powerfull. Infact there never has been a position called the Mansoos. It was always the Mazoon who was second in Command after the Dai. But here in the case of The Alive but buried in the grounds of Bhindi bazaar within the specially imported mud of Karbala, The late but still called Al Hayy Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin. The pretentious son was installed as the Mansoos by immediate family and a new rutba was created called the Mansoos. Thus an entire community was held in farce by a paralysed Dai who is made out to underestimate the position of his second in command and does not seem it proper to bring out a nass proclamation in front of the second in Command ,the Mazoon whom he himself kept in the position for fifty years. Or are you trying to subtly say that the Dai was no longer in control of the community and every act was ordered by his sons, this makes out that he Dai was very weak and was totally a puppet acting according to the terms of his very ambitious sons. This is why the weak dai was not able to remove his own Mazoon ,the second in Rutba after him. This proves that the sons were so powerfull that the Dai feared them , thus it was a wise decision of the Mazoon not to attend the funeral. He was just following the fear factor of his own predecessor the late and most illustrious Dai, Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin whose new title implies that he was buried alive.



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Unread post by Adam » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:52 am

But when the Imam goes into parda then the Dai is the highest authority and then comes the Mazoon. So when a Dai goes into Parda the Mazoon becomes the all powerfull. Infact there never has been a position called the Mansoos.


Yes, the highest rutba AFTER the Dai is the Mazoon. The Dai & Mansoos are considered one. Hence Mazoon comes after them.

Or are you trying to subtly say that the Dai was no longer in control of the community and every act was ordered by his sons,

I'm not trying to say that. The Qubtis are.

He was just following the fear factor

Agreed. KQ was terrified and run away like a mouse.




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Unread post by Qadir » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:47 am

mnoorani wrote:
the Dai is the highest authority and then comes the Mazoon. So when a Dai goes into Parda the Mazoon becomes the all powerfull. Infact there never has been a position called the Mansoos. It was always the Mazoon who was second in Command after the Dai. The pretentious son was installed as the Mansoos by immediate family and a new rutba was created called the Mansoos.
This is a list of all Dais who did not did nass on their mazoon:

3. Syedna Hatim Mohiyuddin

17. Syedna Hasan Badruddin

19. Syedna Idris Imaduddin

20. Syedna Hasan Badruddin

38. Syedna Ismail Badruddin

40. Syedna Hebatullah il Moayedfiddin

44. Syedna Mohammed Ezzuddin (His mansoos was his mukasir Syedna Taiyeb Zainuddin)

45. Syedna Taiyeb Zainuddin (His mansoos was his mukasir Syedna Abdulqadir Najmuddin )

48. Syedna Abdul Husain Husamuddin (His mansoos was his mukasir Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin)

49. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin

50. Syedna Abdullah Badruddin (STS was not his mazoon)

52. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (SMS was not his mazoon)
mnoorani wrote:
Thus an entire community was held in farce by a paralysed Dai who is made out to underestimate the position of his second in command and does not seem it proper to bring out a nass proclamation in front of the second in Command ,the Mazoon whom he himself kept in the position for fifty years. Or are you trying to subtly say that the Dai was no longer in control of the community and every act was ordered by his sons, this makes out that he Dai was very weak and was totally a puppet acting according to the terms of his very ambitious sons. This is why the weak dai was not able to remove his own Mazoon ,the second in Rutba after him.

KQ believes that SMB was not in a condition to even speak or think properly.

WE believe that SMB was in his full consiousness and at the time of nass (private in hospital and public at r.tahera) he knew very well what was going on and it was all by his will.



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Unread post by humanbeing » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:41 am

Qadir wrote: WE believe that SMB was in his full consiousness and at the time of nass (private in hospital and public at r.tahera) he knew very well what was going on and it was all by his will.
SMB was as helpless as common abdes about the the awesome orchestra that was being played, where he was the puppet paraded around.. to refresh your memory, refer to videos of many paalkhi parade, to satiate salivating abdes to soak in the barakat with rova jevu moose manipulating and capitalizing on the euphoria of hyped emotions. Such was the miserable moral depravity of kothar INC that; they made the parades a common anticipated ritual where abdes could compete with each other to deedarofy decked up SMB carrying him on the shoulders and worse, raising the numb SMB (Idol) over their straightened elbows and turning him 360 degrees for spreading the barakati vibes for thirsty howling, yelling crying abdes & amtes in the masjid, where the focus always must be Allah. I watched the whole drama on a large cinema scape screen mounted in our community halls with ironical sadness. One would wonder, what people are crying to; the helpless, medical condition of SMB or the mockery that his family and staff made of him in his end days.

I am wondering, how can anyone miss the drooped, fragile, lowered head, skin and bones weak structure of SMB covered in layers and layers of white clothes made to sit. The sheer noise and howling of abdes and loud zaroori elaans, bumpy passage over swaying paalkhi carriers causing discomfort, pain or shock in that fragile medical state if at all SMB was aware of what drama and circus is going on around him. Both the arguments of SMB’s consciousness or not are defeating and depressing in the state he was handled.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by mnoorani » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:15 am

Adam wrote:
But when the Imam goes into parda then the Dai is the highest authority and then comes the Mazoon. So when a Dai goes into Parda the Mazoon becomes the all powerfull. Infact there never has been a position called the Mansoos.


Yes, the highest rutba AFTER the Dai is the Mazoon. The Dai & Mansoos are considered one. Hence Mazoon comes after them.

Or are you trying to subtly say that the Dai was no longer in control of the community and every act was ordered by his sons,

I'm not trying to say that. The Qubtis are.

He was just following the fear factor

Agreed. KQ was terrified and run away like a mouse.


You agree that the highest Rutba after dai is Mazoon ,then the Nass should have been done in the presence of the Mazoon or the Mukasir. But the alleged nass took place only in front of Shahzaadas who have no rutba at all. It is a known fact throughout history that the Dais sons and have gone astray and proclaimed different claims and created new spinter groups.
There never has been a rutba of a Mansoos, period. This was created by the non rutba holder brothers of Muffaddal .



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Unread post by mnoorani » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:23 am

He was just following the fear factor
Agreed. KQ was terrified and run away like a mouse.

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KQ was just following the Sunnat of his dead brother ,the previous Dai who is addressed as the Al Hayy ,event though he lies buried beneath the ground. It was the Ilah Al Ardh and Chaand sa Rehbar Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, who had runaway like a mouse from Bhindi Bazaar during unfortunate violence. Under heavy police protection, leaving the helpless followers alone to face the wrath. Thats when the followers saw that the rehbar was actually a coward.
This Sunnat E Burhani was then followed by the son of the same dai when our Muffy fled Karachi like a geedar during the blasts there.
Geedar ,Chuha is this a family of humans or of animals ?



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Unread post by Adam » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:23 pm

mnoorani wrote:
You agree that the highest Rutba after dai is Mazoon ,then the Nass should have been done in the presence of the Mazoon or the Mukasir. But the alleged nass took place only in front of Shahzaadas who have no rutba at all. It is a known fact throughout history that the Dais sons and have gone astray and proclaimed different claims and created new spinter groups.
There never has been a rutba of a Mansoos, period. This was created by the non rutba holder brothers of Muffaddal .


1. Nass can be done in the presence of ANYONE. It is not necessarily in the presence of Mazoon and Mukasir. It has happened many times in history.
2. You're referring to the Hospital and 1388 Nass. Otherwise, the Raudat Tahera Nass was in the presence of the Mukasir as well. KQ ran away.
3. There isn't a rutba called "Mansoos". That's just who he is. The Dai and Mansoos are one.
Or else, if Nass was done on someone other than the Mazoon or Mukasir, what would you call him?



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Unread post by Qadir » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:55 am

mnoorani wrote: Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, who had runaway like a mouse from Bhindi Bazaar during unfortunate violence. Under heavy police protection, leaving the helpless followers alone to face the wrath. Thats when the followers saw that the rehbar was actually a coward.
maybe you should read my previous thread posted on another forum:
Qadir wrote: He knew very well about the consequences and the aftermath.

His words approximately were:

"Mamluk e aale mohammed aaj aem kahu chu, poori duniya na saamne kahu chu, khuda ni laanat A*****, U****,U**** na upar.

Aaj tame sagla bhi mara sathe parho laanat .... zor si bolo ... haji zor si laanat parho.

Main duniya ne aem kahu chu ke mumineen bija gair koum na muslemeen si bilkul alag che. Mumineen ane gair muslemeen aek nathi zara bhi aek jeva nathi."

English:" I slave of Mohammed and ahle bayt is saying in this in front of whole world ***********. You also prononce laanat.... Raise you voice and prononce lanat.

I want to tell the whole world that Mumineen of Dawoodi bohra caste are totally different from the other muslim castes people.

We are not them and they are not us."


The consequences are well known.

The aftermath is that when there were Hindu Muslim riots in gujarat many hindus (not all) didnt harmed many dawoodi bohras as according to syedna mumineen were not same as other muslims.

Due to which lives of many mumineen were saved.


Maybe now you understand the hikmat.



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Unread post by LFT » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:25 pm

Thats very interesting - can you provide approximate date of both events?



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Unread post by SBM » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:46 pm

The aftermath is that when there were Hindu Muslim riots in gujarat many hindus (not all) didnt harmed many dawoodi bohras
Really-- This is what happens to Abdes who are totally brainwashed and live in Cocoon. Many Bohra businesses were looted and burned. One of the elected official was killed in front of his family. One of the Muslim businessman Ali Asghar was forced to sell his property due to the pressure from RSS-_A HINDU NATIONALIST PARTY( just in case if your brain does not comprehend that)
Qadir- You really proved that your brain needs some new brain cells since all of it are fallen off due to too much bending



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Unread post by alam » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:38 pm

The aftermath is that when there were Hindu Muslim riots in gujarat many hindus (not all) didnt harmed many dawoodi bohras
QadirbhaiSaheb,,
"Many"Hindus didn't harm "many" dawoodi Bohras implies "some" Hindus harmed "some" dawoodi Bohras.
Even if your implication was intended to mean all Bohras were unharmed, it's quite a ruthless line of deduction, and insensitive toward your fellow brothers and sisters who were harmed by this , regardless of whether they wee Hindu or Muslim or dawoodi Bohras.

SBM bhai correctly points out about the cocoon we live in.

As Bohras when we stop using our Aql - which is according to STS qasida - a jowhar, then its overwhelmed by caprice and obstructions.

العقل أفضل كل سوء ان ومن
عقل سلىما من عوّاد اعترى
[al'Aql is superior to everything if it be Aql-e-Saleem,
That is, not overwhelmed by obstructions]

ان ىغلب العقل ألهوا قاد الهوى
اقلً هوٰى فًى موردٍ او مصدرا
[If caprice overpowers Al'Aql, caprice will ride upon it,
And Aql will stumble in its results and consequences]


You do yourself disservice when you disregard humanity and compassion, to serve your own sense of narcissistic self- importance and self-indulgence, which I'm sorry to say, our community leaders are stuffing down our throats and forcing us to consume doses of self-centeredness, inflated self-importance at the cost of losing your compassion toward humanity.

SBM's language can be brutal - I agree, but let the substance of his message, not the words he uses, weigh in on you!



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by bohraji » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:21 pm

Qadir wrote:
mnoorani wrote: Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, who had runaway like a mouse from Bhindi Bazaar during unfortunate violence. Under heavy police protection, leaving the helpless followers alone to face the wrath. Thats when the followers saw that the rehbar was actually a coward.
maybe you should read my previous thread posted on another forum:
Qadir wrote: He knew very well about the consequences and the aftermath.

His words approximately were:

"Mamluk e aale mohammed aaj aem kahu chu, poori duniya na saamne kahu chu, khuda ni laanat A*****, U****,U**** na upar.

Aaj tame sagla bhi mara sathe parho laanat .... zor si bolo ... haji zor si laanat parho.

Main duniya ne aem kahu chu ke mumineen bija gair koum na muslemeen si bilkul alag che. Mumineen ane gair muslemeen aek nathi zara bhi aek jeva nathi."

English:" I slave of Mohammed and ahle bayt is saying in this in front of whole world ***********. You also prononce laanat.... Raise you voice and prononce lanat.

I want to tell the whole world that Mumineen of Dawoodi bohra caste are totally different from the other muslim castes people.

We are not them and they are not us."


The consequences are well known.

The aftermath is that when there were Hindu Muslim riots in gujarat many hindus (not all) didnt harmed many dawoodi bohras as according to syedna mumineen were not same as other muslims.

Due to which lives of many mumineen were saved.


Maybe now you understand the hikmat.

When illiterates like you try put forward a point that contains nothing but nonsense, then we here in Gujarat have a specific saying for people like you. " Ehvi waat kare che ke ghadera ne pan taav aave ".
Unfortunately a donkey has more intellect then you. Does it run in your family ? You had mentioned in an earlier post that your very ilmi Great Maternal Grandfather was uttering the names of 51,52 and the 53 during his last days Instead of the names of Allah and verses of the Quran. I wonder what kind of a Hafiz he was. But then you come here with the above post and prove that stupidity runs in you geneaology.

The Gujarat riots that you mentioned were the worst that there ever was. The Hindu rioters had come with names and addresses of the muslims that they wanted to attack, this included all. Bohras ,non bohras and also the Aga Khanis. If the kothar is paying you to write such lies then I advice you in the name of Allah to get out of this employment and do an honest living where at least you will not face ridicule that also exposes your upbringing and details the insanity of your ancestors. Nobody was spared. Each muslim was a target. Infact there were lots of Bohra workshops and factories and kaarkhanas that were stripped off their machinery and many were burnt to the ground. Many of these bohra businesses were not able to open again. Houses were torched and people were attacked. Even those that were taken to the hospital were not allowed to be treated as the BJP , VHP and RSS personnel were there in hospitals and would not allow the doctors to treat muslim patients. There are allegations against Hindu doctors who harmed muslim patients as well. There were riots in places like kalopur as well. People living in Saraspur had double trouble as they had to defend their homes and societies against the Hindu mobs and at the same time they had to defend the Dargah of Qutbuddin Shaheed. The Bohra men had sat on the perimeter wall and defended the dargah with bricks. Much further down people were not so lucky at Gulbarg Society where the Bohra Ehsan Jafri was literally torn to pieces and burnt alive. offices and shops of muslims, yes including bohras were picked up and looted and burnt. One bohra CA friend of mine was astonished to find his office destroyed but the files of his Hindu clients were left untouched. Even the posh area of Paldi was not spared. The Shalimaar building was the first target then there was another mob going on towards the muslims. It was Dr. Bhavnagarwala who saved so many muslims of Paldi including Bohras by firing shots that killed two people of the attacking mob. This frightened the mob as the two killed were their leaders. All this is only a small part of Ahmedabad. There was mass looting and killing in Vatwa area well and at Isanpur a whole family of bohra zayereens was torched with the passengers burnt alive.
You have to come to Ahmedabad and speak to the locals to know more details. There was much violence in other parts of Gujarat as well and Bohras were not safe anywhere. So many people were rendered homeless and entire areas were warzones.
So step away from the fear of your employers and remember that there will come a day where you will be questioned . Have faith in Allah and regard him as your saviour and drop your shackles. For once stop lying.



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:41 pm

An email from Asgar Vasanwala :-

PM Modi is now touring western nations. All politicians including Kothar need audience. Overseas Bohras have become fixture in Modis gathering. In France, Bohras were ordered to meet PM Modi. Previous Dais kept distance from politicians. They didn’t meet Nehru and other PM like what Kothar is kissed up to Mr. Modi. Bohras presented a momento to PM Modi. Please click following link and view the footage of this event in Paris. A Bohra on stage and reporter are doing Phekam Phenk that Bohras settled in France 200-300 years ago. That means Bohras were in France in Aurangzeb time. Can they show proof like newspaper cutting or birth registration or school certificate of a single Bohra dating bach to year 1700 AD. How many Bohras settled in France then; Just one Bohra or 100s of Bohras. Bohra use Phekam phenk and exaggeration. They Pay to corrupt TV reporters for praising. Once I had seen a TV report saying Surat Daras was the largest Mosque in Asia. Is Daras bigger than Jama Masjid Delhi?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ex8q8xwwbcjmhr6/Dawoodi Bohras Welcome Shri Modi in Paris %28Saif%29 Vodeo.mp4?dl=0



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:08 pm

Email from Asgar Vasanwala:

In our Dawat history, Mola Mufaddal will be membered as “Roti na Bava”. Who will be Tarkari Bawa? How can one eat Roti without Tarkari? Mola nu amal ardhu rahi jase! Momino ne tarkari banavanu kon sikhavse? Su Ma Fatema tarkari nohta banavta?

Salaam-e-Jameel,

Maula TUS has done scores of Bayan on Roti and emphasized it even by making Roti.
Faizul Mawaidul Burhaniya is organizing a Roti Making Gathering in following locations and timings.

City: Irving
Location: Evan-e-Mufaddal
Lead: Mu Fatemaben Alibhai
Phone: 469-733-4716
Date: 15.4.2015
Day: Wednesday
Time: 9 am onwards

City: Arlington
Location: Dr. Shk Huzefa's house
Lead: Rehanaben Bharmal
Phone: 214-789-9640
Date: 18.4.2015
Day: Saturday
Time: 11 am onwards

City: Plano
Location: Mu Abuzer Hussain's house
Lead: Zainab ben Hussain
Phone: 214-250-8271
Date: 18.4.2015
Day: Saturday
Time 10 am onwards

City: Valley Ranch
Location: Mu Saifuddin Mahuwala's house
Lead: Ummul Bani ben
Phone: 972-987-7065
Date: 18.4.2015
Day; Saturday
Time: 11 am onwards

City: Irving
Location: Mawaid kitchen
Lead: Fatemaben Vohra
Phone: 469-348-5988
Date: 19.4.2015
Day: Sunday
Time: 10 am onwards.

Please come one and come all to partake in this Azim work of making "Mohabbat ni Roti". If possible, please bring your own instruments (Belan / Tawa / Choki etc.)

Khuda Ta'ala Maulatena Fatema (AS) ni Akhri Roti Ni Barakat si Momin Na Ghar Ghar ma Rozi-Roti utarta rehjo, Ameen!
May Allah grant our Bawa Shafiq Syedna Aali Qadr Mufaddal Saifuddin Aqa (TUS) a long life until the day of Qayaamat. Ameen!

Wa-Salaams, Abide Syedna (TUS) Faizul Mawaidul Burhaniyah Committee Anjuman-e-Najmi Dallas



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:40 pm

SBM's language can be brutal - I agree,
Br Alam
But that is only language they understand, If their Master can give the laanats and curses to his uncle mine is very mild in comparision



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Unread post by alam » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:43 pm

Sbmbhai
laanats are off the charts completely. .. there is no comparison



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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:56 am

bohraji wrote:The Gujarat riots that you mentioned were the worst that there ever was. ……………………………..All this is only a small part of Ahmedabad. There was mass looting and killing in Vatwa area well and at Isanpur a whole family of bohra zayereens was torched with the passengers burnt alive.
You have to come to Ahmedabad and speak to the locals to know more details. There was much violence in other parts of Gujarat as well and Bohras were not safe anywhere. So many people were rendered homeless and entire areas were warzones..
To add to bohraji’s painful post, I too have heard heart wrenching stories of murder and loot, it would be insensitive not to consider ‘ola musalmaano’ plight. One can enquire about a Jeep with bohras in it were barbed wired and torched with women, men and children in it at Sanjali area in Gujarat. Places like Dahod where bohras are in large numbers, were also terrified, shops looted and families locked themselves up living in terror. Near by villages such as dhanpur, rachwa, jesawada where bohras have established business since decades were looted and shops emptied and burnt to ground right in front of their eyes, while they watched in silence helplessly hidden. The tribals who carried out such acts of terror still roam around with chin high up and bohra who could crawl back to normalcy stand with lowered head in their presence. Few bohras were so terrified, they left the idea of starting business and instead took up low meagerly paid jobs in gulf countries.

The whole Gujarat pogrom was unfortunate, in addition to that, the Kothari jamaats were shameless, in these emotionally shaken times, they cajoled affected bohras to still pay wajebaat, whichever way possible and ofcourse word “fakhera” is subtly used, top of it .. these ignorant and helpless abdes actually loaned the monies to pay up wajebaat … in dreams that this would bring 70 times barakat. Not realizing their own will power, hardwork and fellow business and social relations that helped them get back and prosper. Not these religious thugs who could only chant prayers sitting on their sujni.

The kothar is like a blood sucking parasites with its own diversified breed of pests; from royals to amils and jamat members. The qaradan hasana and other such schemes were token showmanship to hoodwink the euphoric abdes. While the actual loans were facilitated to influential businessmen who had only dents in their businesses.



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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:06 pm

I wonder if James and Qadir are reading this thread.

So what good came out of the riots for the bohoras? Can either of you who have the inside knowledge let us know, What good came out of Syedna's lannats on 1, 2, 3 except for his apology which still did not make any difference as one can see from the foregoing.

Now, James, you say and Qadir supports, that whatever Syedna did was for the good for the momin. Can you tell me what good came out of it?



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:31 pm

JavedhJuma wrote:I wonder if James and Qadir are reading this thread.

So what good came out of the riots for the bohoras? Can either of you who have the inside knowledge let us know, What good came out of Syedna's lannats on 1, 2, 3 except for his apology which still did not make any difference as one can see from the foregoing.

Now, James, you say and Qadir supports, that whatever Syedna did was for the good for the momin. Can you tell me what good came out of it?
An interesting post with regard to the above was posted by Mr.S. Insaf :-

What is Sayedna’s wisdom?

By S. Insaf.

I am very very sorry as a Dawoodi Bohra, to admit that it was the biggest blunder committed by Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb.

22nd August 1988 was the 10th of Moharram, a day devoted commemorate the tragedy of Karbala. Sayedna’s vaiz tamasha was organised on grand scale. More than 50,000 Bohras were gathered in Bhindi Bazar, Bombay and were made sit on the road outside Saifee Masjid. Mikes and TV screens were put up all over the locality. Always the Shia Sunni vaizeen on 10th of Moharram stick to describing the tragedy of Karbala only. But on such a day Sayedna Burhanuddin chose to curse the first three Khalifas of Islam and Hazrat Aisha, the wife of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). He not only cursed them but ordered the present Dawoodi Bohra audience to repeatedly cruse them. There are several mosques, residences and shops in that area belonging to Sunni Muslims. Naturally it hurt their religious feelings and there was a riot between Bohras and Sunni Muslims.

Sayedna Saheb and their Shahzadas immediately left the place in police jeeps removing their turbans. According Blitz magazine there was a gang of Shiv Sanik already present in the Saifee Masjid wearing Bohra caps. Was it then, a pre-planned action? News spread all over Bombay among Muslims. They demanded an apology from Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb but he refused. There were several shops near Rozatut-Tahera selling Sayedna’s photographs. Agitated Muslims looted these shops along with other shops and passer-by Bohras were helplessly watching their beloved Almighty Aqa Moula’s photographs floating in drainages all over. They had never imagine that.

Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb went on claiming that cursing the first three Khalifa was right as per his “maslak” as per Shia tradition. But Shias also condemn this act and riots continued for days in which 5 innocent Muslims including 3 Dawoodi Bohras lost their lives. The property worth 12 Crores was destroyed. Situation became so tense that curfew was imposed for three days in Bhindi Bazar and Mohammad Ali Road Areas.

Following Friday after Friday prayers Muslims took out a protest march demanding an apology from Sayedna. On the interference of Maulana Ziauddin Bukhari and then Maharashtra Chief Minister Sharad Pawar, ultimately Sayedna Saheb agreed to tender an oral apology but Muslim leaders refused and demanded a written apology. Yusuf Najmuddin found it difficult that Sayedna Saheb who has all along claimed to be Kal-Masoom (near innocent, one who can not commit any sin or error); how can he submit a written apology and that too publicly?

Then Yusuf Najmuddin’s close friend and communist Urdu writer, Dr. Zoe Ansari came to their rescue. He very carefully drafted in Urdu language an apology using words like “Ma’zarat” for apology easily understood by Urdu knowing Muslims but difficult for Bohras. He also took care in not mentioning the Lanat episode but merely saying “mere chand kalemat jo mene 22 August 1988 ko kahe”. He also added that “I have always tried that in spite of differences in belief and faith the mutual relations and love with each other should prevail. It is because we have faith that the Muslims are united on the basis of the kalma that “There is no god but there is Allah".

Interestingly when Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had claimed that he was “Ilahul-Ard”, God on earth, Justice Martin had quoted the same kalma, “There is no god but there is Allah" to smash late Sayedna’s claim.

In the mean time news had spread all over the country and Muslims from Maharashtra, Gujarat and Rajasthan were planning to file a suit against Sayedna Saheb in the courts of law. So it was decided that the written apology by Sayedna would published in newspaper and broadcasted over the television to reach to Muslims everywhere.

Therefore the apology drafted by Dr. Zoe Ansari in consultation with Yusuf Najmuddin was copied by Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb in his writing and the copies were sent to all newspaper overnight and then read out apology by Sayedna’s brother Qasim Hakimuddin was broadcasted on TV channels.

What was Sayedna Saheb’s wisdom in cursing the first three Khalifas and that too on the day of Ashura, is still not known.

Inspite of giving a written oath that “Last evening (due to my hurting utterances) the displeasing situation has been created that has weaken the mutual relations in Islamic nation. It is in benefit of all of us that we forget this bitterness and as usual embrace each other with trust and love.”, he, his family members, his Amils and his fanatic Dawoodi Bohras still continues to curse and hurt the feelings of Muslims in general.

What is Sayedna Saheb’s wisdom in perpetuating hatred among Muslims? What is Sayedna Saheb’s wisdom in having close association with hardcore Hindutwa leaders like Narendra Modi, who are most hated by Muslims? This is further creating a divide between Muslims and Dawoodi Bohras.

Is it in the interest of the community as a whole in long term?



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:39 pm

Bro javedhjuma,

I salute and admire Prince Aga Khan for not licking Modi's a@@e like the Bohra Dai inspite of the severe atrocities committed on the Khoja Jamat during the riots of 1992 and 2002 in Gujarat. I remember how mercilessly people from your Jamat were attacked in cities like Surat in 1992. This is the sign of a good community leader who unlike the Bohra Dai doesn't care about protecting his own interests in India but gives two hoots to people like Modi ! Shame on the Bohra Dai !



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:47 pm

One more news item which appeared during 2002 Gujarat Mass Genocide engineered by Narendra Modi :-

When Muslims are targeted in Gujarat, to claim that Dawoodis are not Muslims is sheer betrayal

It was reported in English daily Indian Express and Hindi daily Pratakal on 4 April 2002 that a group of Dawoodi Bohras in Gujarat claimed that they are ‘Not Hindus. No. Not Muslims either. They are Dawoodi Bohras caught in the crossfire’.

"When the Maulana gives us any directions, we follow. When he asked us to return to business, we had to", said Shabbir Moiz Vohra, who set up shop in Kawant a week ago.

Shabbir suffered losses to the tune of Rs 6 lakh when his three shops were looted and burnt, but did not accept any compensation, saying he would "be better off without it".

We don’t fear anything after hearing from the Maulana. We don’t want to take revenge because we love peace", said Aliajgar Jainuddin Vohra, who has reopened one of his three damaged shops.

Both of them clarify that they "are not Muslims, but are Dawoodi Bohras". So does Nadir Badruddin Vohra. "We do break bread with them but marriages are taboo. They offer namaz five times a day, we do it only thrice; our mosques are also different", he stressed.

These Bohras claim that "When the Maulana gives us any direction we follow". It is obvious that whatever they have said regarding their not being Muslims is as per dictates of Sayedna Saheb. There is not corrective statement regarding this claim from Sayedna’s side either. So one will consider it as official statement of Sayedna that Dawoodi Bohras are not Muslims.

In fact any one who follows the basic principles of Islam and believes in Allah, His book the Qur’an and the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is a Muslim. Dawoodi Bohras are very much believers of these three essentials and are, therefore Muslims. They also believe in Wilayat of Hazrat Ali and therefore they are a sub-sect of Shia Muslims. They combine Zohar and Isha prayers and again Asar and Maghrib prayers and pray five times prayers in three times. But they observe all five prayers. Their mosques are known as masjids and not by any other name like temple, church or synagogues. They believe in five pillars of Islam: Wahdat, Salat, Zakat, Haj and Jihad. So it is wrong to say that they are not Muslims.

Being a business community it is true that by and large Bohra community is a peace-loving community. It is unfortunate that their present religious heads have adopted a life of luxury and in order to amass wealth they have imposed several un-Islamic taxes and practices on the followers. In order that their followers do not mix with other Muslims and know the true Islam they make systematic efforts to assert on the minds of the followers that they are quite different from other Muslims.

But the hypocrisy of their religious leaders becomes evident when they order their followers to close down their bank accounts as interest is prohibited for Muslims, or when the Bohra religious head takes pride in being the Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University or his representative being on the Central Haj Committee and Muslim Personal Law Board. They make announcements of their being the real well-wishers of the Muslim world.


But when the time comes for them to be accountable under Islamic law or Muslim Waqf Act, or to save their skin in a situation like in Gujarat now, they feel no shame in claiming that they are not Muslims. Further more, the Dawoodi Bohras statement, obviously under instruction from Sayedna Saheb, that they are peace-loving is most dangerous under the circumstances, which directly implies that the other Muslims are not peace-loving and are trouble creaters.

Violent attacks on reformist Bohras time and again by fanatic followers of Sayedna and their round and arrogant behaviour with other Muslims, cursing the Muslim Khalifas and creating riots are for any one to judge how peace-loving these followers of Bohra high priest are? It is the duty of Sayedna to immediately refute the statements made by his followers that they are not Muslims. We also insist on Muslim organizations like Muslim Personal Law Board, Haj Committee, Aligarh Muslim University etc to seriously note this contention on behalf of Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin.

(Source: The Bohra Chronicle, Mumbai, June 2002) q



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:51 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote: a group of Dawoodi Bohras in Gujarat claimed that they are ‘Not Hindus. No. Not Muslims either. They are Dawoodi Bohras caught in the crossfire’.
ghulam muhammed wrote:Both of them clarify that they "are not Muslims, but are Dawoodi Bohras"
Marwaris, Jains and Kutchis address themselves as such but if at all there was a Hindu/Muslim riot they will not say "Hum Marwari hai, hum Hindu nahi hai". During Gujarat riots bohras said "We are bohras, we are not muslims", see the difference. Bohras alienated themselves from the Muslim religion altogether. Also Marwaris dont say "Hum Marwari hai aur woh Hindu hai" like how bohras say "Ola Musalman chhe, hamein to bohra chhe" !



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Unread post by Biradar » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:12 pm

It is amazing that people here will come to defend the indefensible. The behavior of SMB and his bothers and children has always been calculated to protect their own interests. If it was not this forum documenting their atrocious behavior, they would claim, and do claim, that Bohra lives were saved during the Gujrat riots. Obviously, they were not, and many bohras lost their lives, their livelihood and their homes. My cousin had to leave Ahmedabad and move to Pune. Many others had their shops looted, many were killed and burned alive. Where were the miracles of the sayedna? What was he doing? Hiding, no doubt, praying that he would mint money when riots cooled down. The Bohri establishment to suck up to Modi is the same. Another trick to ensure that the interests of the Big Mullah and his brothers and children are protected.

Also, to see the apology which Qasim Hakimuddin (LA) had to give on live TV, please go to this page:

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/reform_issues/multimedia/

Look towards the bottom where he reads out an apology from SMB. No need to argue further about his political abilities.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:48 pm

Although the gruesome incidents of gujarat mass genocide have been discussed exhaustively but there are some extremely startling revelations by the murderers who have publicly admitted their own role as well as Modi's role in the pre-planned massacre which was carried out by hindutva forces like BJP, RSS, Bajrang Dal under the able guidance of Modi, Advani and others who are openly felicitated by the Dai which is shameful, inhuman and horrific to say the least. I have purposely opened this thread for the ones who wish to know the intricate details with FULL evidence as the same will be an eye opener not only to members on this forum but people in general

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:09 pm

Received an email as under :-

Salaam e jameel

In Najaf e Ashraf after ziyarat on thursday night (April 2nd) Amil saheb got the opportunity to do arz of our khidmat in Moula Ali AS Zarih Mubarak. Aqa Moula tus Dallas taraf si one pillar of gold and silver ni khidmat ne karam ane ehsaan kari ne qabool farmavi. Apan Dallas mumineen ne ek nirali khidmat ma Aqa Moula tus shamil kida – yaqeenan the barakat of which we will see for generations to come - Inshallah. We offer lakho Sajadaat us Shukr in Hazrat Imamiyah Qudsaniyah. Sagla mumineen ne mubarak ane mohanna. Khuda Aqa moula tus ne hamesha sehat ane aafiyat ma salaamat salaamat baki rakhe. Aameen

Amil saheb Anjuman-e-Najmi na check arz kida ane Aqa Moula tus ne qadambos thaya.

We know that the Zarih work is happening in Dubai and Inshallah we will see the beautiful gold and silver pillars on the zari of Moula Ali AS's Zarih soon and khuda apne Aqa Moula tus sathe Najaf e ashraf ane Karbala ni ziyarat karvu naseeb thai - ameen.

Jamaat has done araz for the full amount but some of us have not yet given our checks to the jamaat, so please get your checks in and give them to Sh. Muder bhai Saiger or any of the Jamaat members ASAP. Please bring them in tonight, even if you are giving post dated checks.

Was Salaam,

Abeed e Syedna tus
Anjuman e Najmi


Bohras were looted billions of Rupees, dollars, and pounds for Zareeh and Kufa masjid. Shias then rejected that Zareeh. Its pieces were sold to Bohras as tabarruk. This nonstop collection is a ploy for supporting extravagant life style of Syedna Family and its brat boys and girls. Are Bohras not tired and rebel against such phony projects? Would Mola Ali want Bohra hard-earned money spent on progress or on gold decoration of his Mazar? Molana Ali abhorred worldly gold and silver. He wanted to spend time and treasure helping the poor even in darkness of night. Present leaders are unworthy followers of Molana Ali



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:41 pm

After the Gujarat Yatra, Muffy has hop skipped and jumped to COLOMBO !!