Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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alivasan
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

#1021

Unread post by alivasan » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:46 am

alam wrote:
alivasan wrote:Given that mufflos mischevous traits the below logical inference is drawn in fateli dawaat theory

PYN - SMB = SMS
where

PYN=Prince Yusuf Najmuddin
SMB=Sayedna mohammed burhanuddin
SMS=Sayedna muffadal saitanuddin
Similarly
PYN - (STS+SMB) = SKQ

where SKQ = Sayedna Khuzema Qutbuddin
but since we proved theorem SMS NOT = SKQ

and given that

PYN- SMB=SMS
PYN-(SMB+SMS)=SKQ
therefore

PYN=2(SMB+STS) - SKQ
therefore
PYN+SKQ=2(1 zahir SMS+ 1 batein SMS) SMS

hence we prove there are SMS in zahir ne = SMS and 1 in batein = SKQ

we finally prove SMS and SKQ are friends inside and foes outside for world



alivasan
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#1022

Unread post by alivasan » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:50 am

alivasan wrote:
alam wrote:
Similarly
PYN - (STS+SMB) = SKQ

where SKQ = Sayedna Khuzema Qutbuddin
but since we proved theorem SMS NOT = SKQ

and given that

PYN- SMB=SMS
PYN-(SMB+SMS)=SKQ
therefore

PYN=2(SMB+STS) - SKQ
therefore
PYN+SKQ=2(1 zahir SMS+ 1 batein SMS) SMS

hence we prove there are SMS in zahir ne = SMS and 1 in batein = SKQ

we finally prove SMS and SKQ are friends inside and foes outside for world
using this dawaat theorem based on principle of divide and rule returns in form of loots are maximized. so SMS exactly knows how many ghetas are available for slaughter



alam
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#1023

Unread post by alam » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:25 pm

alam wrote:
alivasan wrote:Given that mufflos mischevous traits the below logical inference is drawn in fateli dawaat theory

PYN - SMB = SMS
where

PYN=Prince Yusuf Najmuddin
SMB=Sayedna mohammed burhanuddin
SMS=Sayedna muffadal saitanuddin
Similarly
PYN - (STS+SMB) = SKQ

where SKQ = Sayedna Khuzema Qutbuddin
Actually, I was completely wrong about the above theorem. After some thought, I came up with something far more elementary:

STS + SMB + PYN = SKQ + SMS

where SKQ+SMS corresponds to present day circumstances which although a crisis for many, can be viewed as an opportunity for revoloutionary change at individual and community levels.



alivasan
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#1024

Unread post by alivasan » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:03 pm

which also eludes to "SMS and SKQ are two sides of the same coin". The roots of evils are same in both only form is different and is very close to divide and rule principle.



alam
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#1025

Unread post by alam » Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:51 pm

duplicate
Last edited by alam on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.



alam
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#1026

Unread post by alam » Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:52 pm

alivasan wrote:which also eludes to "SMS and SKQ are two sides of the same coin". The roots of evils are same in both only form is different and is very close to divide and rule principle.
No. It doesn't work that way. You can't mix mathematical principles and theorems with cliches of everyday thinking. That's a cop out.

"2 sides of a coin" and "Roots of evil" are different metaphors. Agreed, The theorem you started is also a metaphor, for distilling complex info to formulas. Even science is a metaphor for understanding chaos. But mixing metaphors doesn't work in clearer understanding.



alivasan
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#1027

Unread post by alivasan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:23 am

alam wrote:
alivasan wrote:which also eludes to "SMS and SKQ are two sides of the same coin". The roots of evils are same in both only form is different and is very close to divide and rule principle.
No. It doesn't work that way. You can't mix mathematical principles and theorems with cliches of everyday thinking. That's a cop out.

"2 sides of a coin" and "Roots of evil" are different metaphors. Agreed, The theorem you started is also a metaphor, for distilling complex info to formulas. Even science is a metaphor for understanding chaos. But mixing metaphors doesn't work in clearer understanding.
Its arguable,i agree on deriving proof using mix of metaphors in given context.allow me bring another aspect theory of "opposable mind" which is also known as integrative management and is one of the most sought after skill in a management profession.as per this there are 2 alternative logical conclusiob or lets assume even more theres 3rd one and 4th one , the as per integrative management to address the problem doable solution is arrived at by summing up "factors of 1 alternative" & "factors of n" which means decision is taken with opposable mind including doable from alternate factors and becomes mix. applying this management principle i can draw logical inference which has elements from more than 1 alternative or metaphor."SKQ has simple approach close to reality and major correction can take place to pull masses on his side in long run at same time in interim SMS can be given plenty of chances so that eventually he ends up and showing up guilty due to his wicked schemes and corrupt arrogant egoistic nature"



think_for_yourself
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#1028

Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:44 am

Thanks for all the fish. The answer is 53!



alivasan
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#1029

Unread post by alivasan » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:45 am

which eludes to faster the support with ice breakers "more la more la muffy more la" and do whatever more la says and whatever he demands faster will be his fall day when he will hit the axe on his own feet after he has reached peak there is bound to be downturn for all good reasons and SKQ with low fan following but consistent, stable and simple appreciaable approach will surface and survive in long run.since been year and is no longer just numbers game as it initially looked and people would have thought or taken for granted.just fan following is not a good measure instead transarency in administration, access to common people will play important role in long run



Al-Noor
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#1030

Unread post by Al-Noor » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:55 am

of course they are friends, they just want abdes to keep thinking between KQ and Muffy and not to think out of the box and realize that this whole thing is invalid now.



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#1031

Unread post by seeker110 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:27 am

Been to a couple of KQ gatherings. Motiff is the same as before. Waza-e- fona at a wedding? Where is the educated family, They want to keep everything to be the same, minus Muffat Lal.

Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss.



Al-Noor
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#1032

Unread post by Al-Noor » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:24 pm

seeker110 wrote:Been to a couple of KQ gatherings. Motiff is the same as before. Waza-e- fona at a wedding? Where is the educated family, They want to keep everything to be the same, minus Muffat Lal.

Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss.
what is wrong with waza e fona? did you ever thought to find translation of it? its just salawat on ahlul bayt....if you are here to condemn something at least do it with good reasons.



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#1033

Unread post by seeker110 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:35 pm

When 60% of audience is Vietnamese in a Chinese restaurant, it seems out of place. A time and place for everything.



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#1034

Unread post by alam » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:59 pm

Alivasan
Please stick to theorems. Your last two posts and regret to say a few others are quite jumbled and confusing. At least use some sentences instead of one big long paragraph with no ,.!? ...
Or just stick to theorems. That seems to be your best communication tool or metaphor so far - at least for me to comprehend.



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#1035

Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:29 pm

seeker110 wrote:When 60% of audience is Vietnamese in a Chinese restaurant, it seems out of place. A time and place for everything.
Are you embarrassed of your own culture? Bohras have kept the Classical Arabic traditions of our imams alive in this modern age. Something to be proud of. It is your ignorance that is embarrassing.



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#1036

Unread post by alam » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:33 pm

seeker110 wrote:When 60% of audience is Vietnamese in a Chinese restaurant, it seems out of place. A time and place for everything.
What's race got to do with this?



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#1037

Unread post by canadian » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:34 pm

think_for_yourself wrote:
seeker110 wrote:
Are you embarrassed of your own culture? Bohras have kept the Classical Arabic traditions of our imams alive in this modern age. Something to be proud of. It is your ignorance that is embarrassing.
What culture? The rituals and customs imposed from top during the last hundred years? What Classical Arabic traditions- to be slave/abde of the dai and his goons? Today's so-called komi libaas has been imposed upon us by these two bit kotharis- kurta-ijaar and rida are not Arabic; they are thrust upon us by these so-called religious leaders. Most of the Bohras are Gujarati and their culture is Gujarati and religion was supposed to be Islam, but it has been forgotten and we have now been taught to be slaves of these religious mafia.
Yes, I am embarrassed by today's moharram tamasha, by the dai and kothar claiming that he is infallible, by the dai and his gang acting like a government within a government and all the un-Islamic and inhumane rituals imposed upon this decent community.



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#1038

Unread post by JC » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:20 pm

Fully agree with my fellow Canadian!

Imagine if Kotharis had a land, a country, I can BET it would have been worst than North Korea. Kotharis have been trying to 'establish' a herd of slaves ........ the tactics used are to create such obedient slaves!



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#1039

Unread post by JC » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:20 pm

Fully agree with my fellow Canadian!

Imagine if Kotharis had a land, a country, I can BET it would have been worst than North Korea. Kotharis have been trying to 'establish' a herd of slaves ........ the tactics used are to create such obedient slaves!



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#1040

Unread post by Al-Noor » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:57 am

seeker110 wrote:When 60% of audience is Vietnamese in a Chinese restaurant, it seems out of place. A time and place for everything.
so what even if there were martians? you don't change your values for the gatherings.



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#1041

Unread post by think_for_yourself » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:11 am

canadian wrote:
think_for_yourself wrote:
Are you embarrassed of your own culture? Bohras have kept the Classical Arabic traditions of our imams alive in this modern age. Something to be proud of. It is your ignorance that is embarrassing.
What culture? The rituals and customs imposed from top during the last hundred years? What Classical Arabic traditions- to be slave/abde of the dai and his goons? Today's so-called komi libaas has been imposed upon us by these two bit kotharis- kurta-ijaar and rida are not Arabic; they are thrust upon us by these so-called religious leaders. Most of the Bohras are Gujarati and their culture is Gujarati and religion was supposed to be Islam, but it has been forgotten and we have now been taught to be slaves of these religious mafia.
Yes, I am embarrassed by today's moharram tamasha, by the dai and kothar claiming that he is infallible, by the dai and his gang acting like a government within a government and all the un-Islamic and inhumane rituals imposed upon this decent community.
Seeker's objection was to the recitation of a specific Qasida which is an excellent example of Classical Arabic religious poetry. I was responding to that specific objection.



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#1042

Unread post by new_james » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:36 pm

another video about why MS keeps on getting awards



canadian
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#1043

Unread post by canadian » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:10 pm

think_for_yourself wrote:[quote="
Seeker's objection was to the recitation of a specific Qasida which is an excellent example of Classical Arabic religious poetry. I was responding to that specific objection.[/quote]

Pardon my ignorance. You say that this Qasida (Waza-e-fona) is “an excellent example of Classical Arabic religious poetry”. So is it recited by any other community-shia or sunni? Who wrote it? Any translation available? Did this poet write any other classical poem or a book?



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#1044

Unread post by asad » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:24 pm

canadian wrote: Pardon my ignorance. You say that this Qasida (Waza-e-fona) is “an excellent example of Classical Arabic religious poetry”. So is it recited by any other community-shia or sunni? Who wrote it? Any translation available? Did this poet write any other classical poem or a book?
Waza E fona is written by STS for SMB.

More details with translation can be found on this link

http://www.fatemidawat.com/prayers/qasi ... ifuna.html



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#1045

Unread post by canadian » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:52 pm

^^^
Thank you, bro. asad.

To bro. think-for-yourself:
I beg to disagree with you. I think this qasida is usual ,ordinary, self glorification by STS and not worthy of being described as “Classical….”.



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#1046

Unread post by humanbeing » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:46 am

canadian wrote:^^^
Thank you, bro. asad.

To bro. think-for-yourself:
I beg to disagree with you. I think this qasida is usual ,ordinary, self glorification by STS and not worthy of being described as “Classical….”.

waza-e-funa is fine .. its catchy .. i wonder if SMS can write any such work ? may be any of his chamcha will do the writing and he will take the credit .. even dai has to have thier own brand of work.



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#1047

Unread post by JC » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:50 am

None of these qaseedas or whatever is ever written by a Dai, neither written by Taher, nor by Burhan and definitely not by Muffy. They have paid intellectuals who do all this work and Dai takes the credit ............. it is very common knowledge and happens in various industries specially show biz (and Bohra religion is a show biz) - Lyricists, Musicians, all have people who do the work for them - their 'name' or 'brand' sells ............

And agree with Canadian all these qaseedas and wazaefuna and all are just 'self-glorification' and cheap tactics, its just an attempt to create and establish a 'brand' ............ this however is a totally flop brand ........... moving forward this will be remembered (yes remembered) as most useless and laughable work.



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#1048

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:24 am

canadian wrote:
think_for_yourself wrote:[quote="
Seeker's objection was to the recitation of a specific Qasida which is an excellent example of Classical Arabic religious poetry. I was responding to that specific objection.
Pardon my ignorance. You say that this Qasida (Waza-e-fona) is “an excellent example of Classical Arabic religious poetry”. So is it recited by any other community-shia or sunni? Who wrote it? Any translation available? Did this poet write any other classical poem or a book?[/quote]

It is written in the Classical Arabic tradition in the modern day. Hence "a tradition kept alive in the modern day." We all know it was written by SMB for STS



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#1049

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:44 pm

Tailormade for Muffy :-

The arrogance of clergy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STlYN5KCiWg



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#1050

Unread post by think » Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:17 am

where is our shahi savari of Palki, airconditioned horse buggy and chartered plane? Is he still in Houston or back to Pavillion in India? Mumineen should keep up with all his mojezas. There is lot of sawaab. As a matter of fact the hordes of mumineen from Houston should follow their mulla Mafadal everywhere he goes. One can never tell when he may hold hand and lead a few in jannat.