Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:00 am

SBM wrote:^
Adam Bhai is back .. welcome back Taha BS
Any comments about Amte doing Bhumi--oops Muffi Puja....(see the posted photograph on the Chair)
I see that he could not answer my question regarding the manner in which we should do iqraar of current Mazoon and mukasir. Should we do it in the way MS did of the ex-Mazoon? I. E. Mouth the words but have hate in our hearts? Or should we believe in the misaq the way we were meant to?

When he is cornered he likes to sling his slimy gobbledygook and slither away hoping no one will notice.

Once again Adam, is the current Mazoon and current Mukasir an imposter (permissible according to you)? Should we be swearing by their names or swearing at them?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by alam » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:12 am

Adam wrote:
kimanumanu wrote:According to Adam, a Dai can appoint an impostor in one of those positions and keep him there for 50 years and that's allowed by our glorious daawat texts.
True. Not just according to me.
Rasulullah SAW did the same, and kept them in much higher positions than the Mazoon.

Saif53 now that you are back , and Adam disappears with this discussion, perhaps you can help out your friend adam. Llet's draw up the discussion again without sidetracking it. Try engaging in the dialogue with Character without degenerating the discussion with irrelevant questions:

SMB 's mazun and mukasir ended up on two different sides. That crushes fundamental elements in the Misaaq
"aa sagla umoor aney maratib nu iqrar karo and kaho na'am".
That's the fundamental difference.

This is the real crack, the core of the faith that has been ripped. This is the End of story of certainty and 100% perfection on who is appointed by the Dai (you pick who) as your Maazoon or mukasir.

It's only a matter of time before more holes in the dam that holds the core belief crack up.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:00 am

who says nothing can be changed over night? prophet(S) came he changed hundreds of years of jhahil arab in just few years, here we are dealing with gujarati brahmans bohras, just ask them to give money straight to poor and needy thats it. but here intentions are not clear as they should be.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:03 am

Again I would like to put my point again....

No doubt KQ is much better than MS right now, but this is not enough he must step up and declare that he is leader and not any thing more, he is just well versed in bohra doctrain but not having any secret doors or jannat naa aapnar, he must admit MB has really goofed up and he will try his best too rectify those things, the day KQ announce this me and many more who now knows the truth about this dawat will happily follow him as a community leader and a well wisher.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:47 pm

watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :

Shk Abbas Naseer (Babubhai-- Brother of Shk Yahya Naseer)....... was caught in Sharjah, and 500 mumin na saamne peshi thai. He had been leading prayers since long time in makhfi without Raza and also stating dawedaar name in Dua.

Faazil raato ma bagair raza namaz padhaavto hato... Dora/taweez/faal ane dawedaar na khayal mutaabik amal karto hato ane Jamea si farzando ne jata rokto hato. Ehna bairo bhi sagli cheezo ma shaamil hati.

Khuda apna aava logo se dur raakhey ane Mufaddal Mola na saya ma aabad saad amaan raakhe...


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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:50 pm

Actually the Bohras of Dubai have very high regards for Abbasbhai Naseer who is also suppose to be very knowledgeable in deeni matters. Now is it the case similar to the 4 ustaads of Jamea who were humiliated in public as they too had questioned the Dai and his administration.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:40 am

Al-Noor wrote:Again I would like to put my point again....

No doubt KQ is much better than MS right now, but this is not enough he must step up and declare that he is leader and not any thing more, he is just well versed in bohra doctrain but not having any secret doors or jannat naa aapnar, he must admit MB has really goofed up and he will try his best too rectify those things, the day KQ announce this me and many more who now knows the truth about this dawat will happily follow him as a community leader and a well wisher.

Agree and same here

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by kseeker » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:16 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :

Shk Abbas Naseer (Babubhai-- Brother of Shk Yahya Naseer)....... was caught in Sharjah, and 500 mumin na saamne peshi thai. He had been leading prayers since long time in makhfi without Raza and also stating dawedaar name in Dua.

Faazil raato ma bagair raza namaz padhaavto hato... Dora/taweez/faal ane dawedaar na khayal mutaabik amal karto hato ane Jamea si farzando ne jata rokto hato. Ehna bairo bhi sagli cheezo ma shaamil hati.

Khuda apna aava logo se dur raakhey ane Mufaddal Mola na saya ma aabad saad amaan raakhe...


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The real story:
Mr Abbas Naseer used to lead prayers for 'anti' bohra jamaats without 'raza of mola'. He was humiliated by the new Dubai Aamil the next day because of this and told to leave. What this new aamil did not know is that Mr Abbas Naseer has been in Dubai/Sharjah for a long time and has many influential friends. Abbas Naseer has now managed to make it back into the good books of the aamil.

Truth be told, he has helped a lot of people in Dubai and has therefore made loyal friends. some of whom are now very rich. A couple of phone calls to this aamil must have done the trick. then again, in a place like dubai you dont need influential friends. one call in the dubai religious affairs section stating that the jamat are not letting me enter and pray in this mosque and the govt shuts down the entire place..

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by asad » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:00 am

kseeker wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :

Shk Abbas Naseer (Babubhai-- Brother of Shk Yahya Naseer)....... was caught in Sharjah, and 500 mumin na saamne peshi thai. He had been leading prayers since long time in makhfi without Raza and also stating dawedaar name in Dua.

Faazil raato ma bagair raza namaz padhaavto hato... Dora/taweez/faal ane dawedaar na khayal mutaabik amal karto hato ane Jamea si farzando ne jata rokto hato. Ehna bairo bhi sagli cheezo ma shaamil hati.

Khuda apna aava logo se dur raakhey ane Mufaddal Mola na saya ma aabad saad amaan raakhe...


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The real story:
Mr Abbas Naseer used to lead prayers for 'anti' bohra jamaats without 'raza of mola'. He was humiliated by the new Dubai Aamil the next day because of this and told to leave. What this new aamil did not know is that Mr Abbas Naseer has been in Dubai/Sharjah for a long time and has many influential friends. Abbas Naseer has now managed to make it back into the good books of the aamil.

Truth be told, he has helped a lot of people in Dubai and has therefore made loyal friends. some of whom are now very rich. A couple of phone calls to this aamil must have done the trick. then again, in a place like dubai you dont need influential friends. one call in the dubai religious affairs section stating that the jamat are not letting me enter and pray in this mosque and the govt shuts down the entire place..
Whole episode is from Sharjah and not Dubai.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:34 am

Just got email KQ sahab has written some nice melodious Qasida for eid ul fitr


http://www.fatemidawat.com/prayers/qasi ... uddin.html
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:36 am

Also got email from Al Mashad Iran, very beautiful message from Al Mashad as well.
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Saif53 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:59 am

FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
Who's The Liar?
NONE of the Qutbi Bohras have ANY proof in relation to any alleged nass on KQ. They have been questioned time and time again, and they keep coming up blank. Not a shred of evidence. When their followers are questioned are cornered into debate, one of the answers they have been instructed to parrot is along the following lines. They say:

"Do you believe that the Mazoon of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA fo 50 years, is lying?"

In short, YES. He is lying.
It is philosophically sound because Dawat History has proven that people in higher positions have gone astray from Dawat. KQ isn't an exception, and this shouldn't shake-up your faith even a bit.
Read: http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/p/summa ... itnat.html

Their followers use the above rhetoric to play the 'rank' or 'quantity' card, and by using it as 'emotional blackmail', they make it seem impossible and ludicrous.

Syedna al Qadi Noman RA, in his kitaab, Sharh al Akhbar (Vol 1) relates to those detractors who disobeyed the clear Nass on Moulana Ali AS. He says (summary):

[When weak minded people of the ummah are questioned in debate and cornered because they don't have any substantial reply, their most common reply is "Do you mean to refer to 1 & 2 and the other companions that followed them - as infidels (kaafirs)!?"

They must be replied to by saying: "O' ignorant one! If you do not wish to refer to them as kaafirs, then don't, but know this, (by protecting them), you are disobeying, denying and rejecting the clear orders of Rasulullah SAW - hence, that makes you a kaafir instead!"]


In the light of the above bayaan, I address the same to the Qutbi Bohra followers who have no clear proof of Nass, but simply cling on to the above statement. To them, I say:

If you find it difficult to believe that Khuzaima Qutbuddin is lying or call him a liar, then don't. But, by doing this you are disobeying, denying and rejecting the clear orders of the infallible 52nd Dai Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA in 1388H 1415H 1426H 1432H and every single day until His wafaat - hence, that makes you a kaafir/liar instead!

You're supporting the same person that kept you away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA physically during his life and at his janaza, and who is now keeping you away from him spiritually.

The choice is yours.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:14 pm

Saif53 wrote:FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
You're supporting the same person that kept you away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA physically during his life and at his janaza, and who is now keeping you away from him spiritually.

The choice is yours.
Indeed. Muffy's love of money kept majority of people away and is now keeping even more people away. Spirituality is non-existant unless you call the new hit song "Moula Moula" as being spiritual.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:33 am

One thing is for sure no matter what was wrong with SMB and SKQ when they had power but right now SKQ is oppressed by muffy gang, and no matter what difference I have about SMB and SKQ I will always support oppressed against the oppressor.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by seeker110 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:07 pm

What a noble thought, too bad it doesnt lead to regular bohra brothers,exploited by the evil doers.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by hamhyd » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:35 am

seeker110 wrote:What a noble thought, too bad it doesnt lead to regular bohra brothers,exploited by the evil doers.
sharjha episode really happen or just a rumors

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by james » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:04 am

kimanumanu wrote:
Saif53 wrote:FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
You're supporting the same person that kept you away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA physically during his life and at his janaza, and who is now keeping you away from him spiritually.

The choice is yours.
Indeed. Muffy's love of money kept majority of people away and is now keeping even more people away. Spirituality is non-existant unless you call the new hit song "Moula Moula" as being spiritual.
Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.

As regards to spirituality,one only has to listen to the various waseela and read the munajat shareef by Syedna Aaliqadar Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS to assert that you live in la-la land.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by james » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:08 am

alam wrote:

Saif53 now that you are back , and Adam disappears with this discussion, perhaps you can help out your friend adam. Llet's draw up the discussion again without sidetracking it. Try engaging in the dialogue with Character without degenerating the discussion with irrelevant questions:

SMB 's mazun and mukasir ended up on two different sides. That crushes fundamental elements in the Misaaq
"aa sagla umoor aney maratib nu iqrar karo and kaho na'am".
That's the fundamental difference.

This is the real crack, the core of the faith that has been ripped. This is the End of story of certainty and 100% perfection on who is appointed by the Dai (you pick who) as your Maazoon or mukasir.

It's only a matter of time before more holes in the dam that holds the core belief crack up.
If anything,it bolsters the assertion that Mazoon or Mukasir can go astray as it has happened in our times as opposed to the claims made by Khuzaima and his ilk.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:13 am

james wrote: Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.
Talking of pictures, Hitler and Kim Jong-un also have such pictures.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:21 am

kimanumanu wrote:
james wrote: Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.
Talking of pictures, Hitler and Kim Jong-un also have such pictures.
And with much larger crowds :mrgreen:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by james » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:35 am

kimanumanu wrote:
james wrote: Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.
Talking of pictures, Hitler and Kim Jong-un also have such pictures.
Talk about missing the point!

Let's recap your fallacies,You claimed that majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.The simple proof in support of your claims to show how the people don't come to his bethaks or masajids under his tutelage or his sermons.Go on,try putting opinions across backed with some shred of evidence.

The simple proof against your nonsensical opinions would be to ask to compare the throngs of crowds between the two eras. Unless you believe Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA also kept majority of people away (Nauzobillah).

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:48 am

james wrote:The simple proof in support of your claims to show how the people don't come to his bethaks or masajids under his tutelage or his sermons.Go on,try putting opinions across backed with some shred of evidence.

The simple proof against your nonsensical opinions would be to ask to compare the throngs of crowds between the two eras. Unless you believe Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA also kept majority of people away (Nauzobillah).
Why don't you go ask him about his sulking with the Londoners? Yes, comparing with Syedna Burhanuddin RA, this is the same London he stated "Feel at home" about.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:52 am

@james
you still defending muffy? you cant be real for sure...whoever you are love for money has blinded your soul, brother hundreds of halaal money is far better than millions of haraam. please dont spoil your akhirah for money.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by zinger » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:09 am

james wrote:
Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.

As regards to spirituality,one only has to listen to the various waseela and read the munajat shareef by Syedna Aaliqadar Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS to assert that you live in la-la land.
Friend James, are you perhaps saying that even more people are with Mufaddal Maula as compared to Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA?

Is that what you are trying to say? because that is surely what it means when you say "majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA"

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by zinger » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:12 am

james wrote: Talk about missing the point!

Let's recap your fallacies,You claimed that majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.The simple proof in support of your claims to show how the people don't come to his bethaks or masajids under his tutelage or his sermons.Go on,try putting opinions across backed with some shred of evidence.

The simple proof against your nonsensical opinions would be to ask to compare the throngs of crowds between the two eras. Unless you believe Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA also kept majority of people away (Nauzobillah).
Again, same question... Are you saying that more people attend now than they did? Or are you saying less people attend now than they did then? Or are you saying that the number of people attending now and then are the same?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:36 pm

james wrote:
Adam wrote:
Hey James and Adam, someone has posted this on facebook,

"Hate no one, no matter how much they’ve wronged you. Live humbly, no matter how wealthy you become. Think positively, no matter how hard life is. Give much, even if you’ve been given little. Keep in touch with the ones who have forgotten you, and forgive who has wronged you, and do not stop praying for the best for those you love." -Ali Ibn Abi Talib S.A

I don't think so that the present happenings in the bohra jamaat is according to what Maula Ali (SA) has advised. Most bayaans have a dawedaar bashing and lanatbaazi session. What do you guys say? I am not accepting a reply from those 2 as they shy away when asked a tough question. Let's see if they have guts to comment on this!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:32 pm

dawedaar wrote:
james wrote:
Adam wrote:
Hey James and Adam, someone has posted this on facebook,

"Hate no one, no matter how much they’ve wronged you. Live humbly, no matter how wealthy you become. Think positively, no matter how hard life is. Give much, even if you’ve been given little. Keep in touch with the ones who have forgotten you, and forgive who has wronged you, and do not stop praying for the best for those you love." -Ali Ibn Abi Talib S.A

I don't think so that the present happenings in the bohra jamaat is according to what Maula Ali (SA) has advised. Most bayaans have a dawedaar bashing and lanatbaazi session. What do you guys say? I am not accepting a reply from those 2 as they shy away when asked a tough question. Let's see if they have guts to comment on this!
1. Do not be rude in speech (3:159)
2. Restrain Anger (3:134)
3. Be good to others (4:36)
4. Do not be arrogant (7:13)
5. Forgive others for their mistakes (7:199)
6. Speak to people mildly (20:44)
7. Lower your voice (31:19)
8. Do not ridicule others (49:11)
9. Decide on affairs by consultation (42:38)

There are some commands for the abde Muffadalis too :-

1. Do not follow anyone blindly (2:170)
2. Do not mix the truth with falsehood (2:42)
3. Stand out firmly for justice (4:135)
4. Help those in need by finding them (2:273)
5. Choose rulers by their merit (2:247)
6. Do not become divided (3:103)
7. Do not cooperate in sin and aggression (5:2)
8. Cooperate in righteousness (5:2)
9. ’Having majority’ is not a criterion of truth (6:116)
10. Strive against sinful and unlawful acts (5:63)
11. No one will bear others’ sins (17:15)
12. Invoke not any other god along with Allah (28:88)
13. Enjoin right, forbid wrong (31:17)

Muffy too needs to learn some lessons from Quran :-

1. Do not engage in bribery (2:188)
2. Do not mix the truth with falsehood (2:42)
3. Do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly (4:29)
4. Spend wealth in charity (57:7)
5. Do not spend money extravagantly (17:29)
6. Order righteousness to people only after practicing it yourself(2:44)
7. Do not prevent people from mosques (2:114)
8. No compulsion in religion (2:256)
9. Eat and Drink, But Be Not Excessive (7:31)
10. Invitation to God should be with wisdom and good instruction (16:125)
11. Do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge (17:36)
12. Walk on earth in humility (25:63)
13. No Monasticism in religion (57:27)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by james » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:38 am

kimanumanu wrote:
james wrote:The simple proof in support of your claims to show how the people don't come to his bethaks or masajids under his tutelage or his sermons.Go on,try putting opinions across backed with some shred of evidence.

The simple proof against your nonsensical opinions would be to ask to compare the throngs of crowds between the two eras. Unless you believe Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA also kept majority of people away (Nauzobillah).
Why don't you go ask him about his sulking with the Londoners? Yes, comparing with Syedna Burhanuddin RA, this is the same London he stated "Feel at home" about.
The bone of contention is that your opinion that majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.You bring London into the mix which is a dishonest way of debating unless you believe the majority of Bohras live in London. Do you believe that?

Just this once,I'll let this pass.What do you want to discuss regarding London? Do you think this is happening for the first time in history? You couldn't have been wrong.Time and time again people have wronged and done things which is against the nehej of Dawat. Be it the Burhanpur Dargah Case or the Udaipuris of 70s or Africa incident in recent history.

Do you want to discuss increment of Sabeel in London which has taken place during Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS's era? Do you think this has happened for the first time? Do you think Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA did not increase Sabeel wherever he saw fit? You couldn't have been more wrong. A recent case in point would be Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA's visit to Kolkata on eve of Chelum in the year 1432 Hijri.

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA = Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS. Remember this always.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:47 am

@james
you still defending muffy? you cant be real for sure...whoever you are love for money has blinded your soul, brother hundreds of halaal money is far better than millions of haraam. please dont spoil your akhirah for money.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2015

#210

Unread post by james » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:49 am

dawedaar wrote:
james wrote:
Adam wrote:
Hey James and Adam, someone has posted this on facebook,

"Hate no one, no matter how much they’ve wronged you. Live humbly, no matter how wealthy you become. Think positively, no matter how hard life is. Give much, even if you’ve been given little. Keep in touch with the ones who have forgotten you, and forgive who has wronged you, and do not stop praying for the best for those you love." -Ali Ibn Abi Talib S.A

I don't think so that the present happenings in the bohra jamaat is according to what Maula Ali (SA) has advised. Most bayaans have a dawedaar bashing and lanatbaazi session. What do you guys say? I am not accepting a reply from those 2 as they shy away when asked a tough question. Let's see if they have guts to comment on this!
I dig your passive-aggressive melodrama. :mrgreen:

A lowlife will see akaalim or a quote and apply it to every sphere of life and its circumstances.Perhaps you take issue with Moulatena Zainab AS for taking umbrage against Yazid and his ilk (People who wronged her), Nauzobillah.

Let's see if you have the guts to reply to this example.(Taking a leaf out of your book)