Received this letter by mail. Is this true???????
To,
The Editor,
The Bohra Chronicle
This letter is to bring to your notice that the Pune city Amil - Mr. Abdeali Bhai Saheb is assigned the duty of an Aamil. But he behaves like a lord to the entire Pune city Dawoodi Bohras. He harasses and humiliates mumineen, abuses them, makes them plead on their knees, demands and forces mumineen pay money time and again.
Does our Kothar train all the Aamil Sahib's? People of Pune city used to admire Abdeali's father the late Hatim bhai Saheb
But unlike his father Abdeali is a very rude man, he does not understand people and their problems. He bans them from participating in religious activities. He is more of a businessman, expanding his business. He is a estate agent, a diamond merchant and also deals in all sorts of imported car buying and selling. He has made good amount of money in selling and buying huge properties and flats in Pune. His son is managing the diamond Business. Abdeali is earning 4 Lacs rupees per month. He has an imported furnishing shop in MUBARAK MANZIL which has stock of 3 crore rupees. His house, which is named as Saifee Mahal is a sprawling villa with an interior worth 40lacs of rupees.
He is cheating the kothar and poor mumineen of Pune by collecting huge funds, for the construction of SAIFEE HOSPITAL - MUMBAI. Then uses that money lavishly on himself and spreads rumors that the funds, which were collected, have been robbed from the DARUL IMARAT (his residence).
Following is the list of all his other accumulated properties, which he has collected by bullying the true Dawoodi Bohras of Pune. You can help people of Pune by exposing this tyrant and earn blessing in return:
Name:
Mr. Abdeali Hatim Bhaisaheb
Member of the Dawoodi Bohri Community, Pune
Address:
Saifuddin Mahal, Pune City Masjid
above Muslim Co-op Bank
Raviwar Peth, Pune City
Monthly income more than 4 lakhs.
Gold ornaments & gold biscuits worth two crores.
Diamond jewellery worth 5 lakhs.
A farmhouse named 'Diamond' - a plot of 5 acres - approx value of 1 crore.
Well furnished flat at Koregaon Park - Orchid.
Well furnished furnishing shop at Mubarak Manzil - Dhole Patil Road, Valued 1 crore. This shop consists of all imported items worth lacs of rupees.
Other property under his son Yusuf's name - worth 2 crores.
He has a personal diary consisting of 20-25 different names under which he is holding bank accounts in India and Abroad. (this 20 people are very close and very reliable to him).
He heads many Bohri religious committees and trusts, keeping no proper records and cheating people by making them pay unnecessary taxes and charges.
He has collected more than 5 crores of rupees from the Bohra community under the Name of Sayedna who is not even aware of what this Mr. Abdeali is doing under his name. He issues no receipts to any Dawoodi Bohra community member and abuses their faith in the Sayenda.
He travels abroad every 2 months so as to deposit his money in Foreign Bank accounts all unknown.
He holds a lot of US Dollars in all his safe deposit vaults.
People in the Bohra community are threatened by him if they deny him anything including Gold, Diamonds, Property, Cash and Vehicles.
He has a hobby of hunting wild animals, for this he travels abroad killing and hunting animals and also collecting lots of jewellery and electronics on his return.
This data has been collected by the most accurate sources and requires great investigation.
Thanking you,
An alert citizen
Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
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American Desi
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
Why no body report this to Enforcement dept in India where they can investigate him for his income to his holdings just like they do with govt official and the most celebrated case of encounter specialist ( I am forgetting his name)
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
my dear friend,
wake up and smell the roses...!! what has come as a rude shock to u, is old news for the people of pune. sorry, dont mean to sound condescending but, although you have made many shocking discoveries, there are some facts which are a little off the mark. first of all, he is not the son of the ex-amil hatimbhai saheb, but his son-in-law. the actual son, mohsinbhaisaheb, apparently was perceived as weak and did not find favour with the kothar. he lost out in the politics and the son-in-law became the strongman. atleast that is what i know, maybe there are hidden facts....
yes, hatimbhai saheb was a good man, was understanding and helpful, he actually used to have money problems and many a times did my family help him out.
as for this present aamil, what do u think, that the kothar doesnt know about all his black deeds? they have a very efficient intelligence gathering network. as they know about each and every bohra anywhere in the world, so also they keep tabs on all their paid lackey's too, like the MP's who police the army! but why wont they replace him or discipline him..?? simple. he is their alsatian dog in pune! being the closest major city to mumbai, he is in their eyes doing a wonderful job in collection and keeping the sheep in line.
i know personally from some jumaat committee members who are my childhood buddies, (who confide in me because i dont stay there anymore) that although this abde-shaitan has many powerful enemies, he has even more powerful supporters among some of the shehzadas and thus no one dares to oppose him or dislodge him. he has built up a very strong rapport with govt authorities, police, mp's, ministers etc., and his biggest plus point is that he not only achieves the collection targets given to him, but actually exceeds it, year-by-year. there is a lot of migration of new bohras into pune and it is strategically very important to the kothar.
i was told that on 1 or 2 occasions, he was asked by kothar to transfer some urgently reqd amounts asap, (maybe some critical situation) and within 48 hours he sent some 1-1.5 crores from pune, by arm-twisting and cajoling and whatever! the fact is, he has maintained an iron grip on all the far-flung jamaats and places in pune wherever namaaz and jamans take place. today in pune, the community is so much grown and spread out that namaz and jamans take place in 20 diff community halls, masjids, society's etc.
no leaf moves there in pune, without his knowledge or raza! if after all this, he makes a few measly millions for himself , then why remove him? that is the attitude from the kothar.
if it has not yet struck you or any of our naive bohras, our community is run like a profit making, mega-corporation. there are layers of management; directors, managers, branch managers, accountants, p.r. deptt., advt., finance, investments specialists and so on. i dont know if how many of our ignorant bohras know that there are many highly paid non-bohra, non-muslim experts working for the kothar in an extremely secretive way behind the scenes, in all these sensitive areas.
there is a whole machinery working behind keeping the syedna in the news, getting him apptts with imp. people, arranging his foreign visits, meeting heads of state, manipulating the " invitations to visit" etc.
religion has got nothing to do with the kothar and our administration, it is a purely non-spiritual, profit-making, ruthless commercial enterprise. religion and islam are just convenient handles to fool the stupid, naive, ordinary, simple bohra, who has no vision, education or understanding of the reality around him or even of his own religion; to grasp the massive fraud being perpetrated on all of us.
thanks for asking this question about pune, but right now, it seeems that their pet dog has it cushy for life, pune is his jaagir.
wake up and smell the roses...!! what has come as a rude shock to u, is old news for the people of pune. sorry, dont mean to sound condescending but, although you have made many shocking discoveries, there are some facts which are a little off the mark. first of all, he is not the son of the ex-amil hatimbhai saheb, but his son-in-law. the actual son, mohsinbhaisaheb, apparently was perceived as weak and did not find favour with the kothar. he lost out in the politics and the son-in-law became the strongman. atleast that is what i know, maybe there are hidden facts....
yes, hatimbhai saheb was a good man, was understanding and helpful, he actually used to have money problems and many a times did my family help him out.
as for this present aamil, what do u think, that the kothar doesnt know about all his black deeds? they have a very efficient intelligence gathering network. as they know about each and every bohra anywhere in the world, so also they keep tabs on all their paid lackey's too, like the MP's who police the army! but why wont they replace him or discipline him..?? simple. he is their alsatian dog in pune! being the closest major city to mumbai, he is in their eyes doing a wonderful job in collection and keeping the sheep in line.
i know personally from some jumaat committee members who are my childhood buddies, (who confide in me because i dont stay there anymore) that although this abde-shaitan has many powerful enemies, he has even more powerful supporters among some of the shehzadas and thus no one dares to oppose him or dislodge him. he has built up a very strong rapport with govt authorities, police, mp's, ministers etc., and his biggest plus point is that he not only achieves the collection targets given to him, but actually exceeds it, year-by-year. there is a lot of migration of new bohras into pune and it is strategically very important to the kothar.
i was told that on 1 or 2 occasions, he was asked by kothar to transfer some urgently reqd amounts asap, (maybe some critical situation) and within 48 hours he sent some 1-1.5 crores from pune, by arm-twisting and cajoling and whatever! the fact is, he has maintained an iron grip on all the far-flung jamaats and places in pune wherever namaaz and jamans take place. today in pune, the community is so much grown and spread out that namaz and jamans take place in 20 diff community halls, masjids, society's etc.
no leaf moves there in pune, without his knowledge or raza! if after all this, he makes a few measly millions for himself , then why remove him? that is the attitude from the kothar.
if it has not yet struck you or any of our naive bohras, our community is run like a profit making, mega-corporation. there are layers of management; directors, managers, branch managers, accountants, p.r. deptt., advt., finance, investments specialists and so on. i dont know if how many of our ignorant bohras know that there are many highly paid non-bohra, non-muslim experts working for the kothar in an extremely secretive way behind the scenes, in all these sensitive areas.
there is a whole machinery working behind keeping the syedna in the news, getting him apptts with imp. people, arranging his foreign visits, meeting heads of state, manipulating the " invitations to visit" etc.
religion has got nothing to do with the kothar and our administration, it is a purely non-spiritual, profit-making, ruthless commercial enterprise. religion and islam are just convenient handles to fool the stupid, naive, ordinary, simple bohra, who has no vision, education or understanding of the reality around him or even of his own religion; to grasp the massive fraud being perpetrated on all of us.
thanks for asking this question about pune, but right now, it seeems that their pet dog has it cushy for life, pune is his jaagir.
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
just to add, isnt the fact that the use of words like 'sultan al bawahir' (or is it bawaasir?) and of his sons as 'shehzadas', and our self-degradation into 'abde-syedna' and 'amte-syedna', all this...what does it point to?
our kothar is now modelled and has the same pretensions on the lines of the british royal family or the mughal emperors. notice the bestowing of grace and favour titles; the sheikhs, mullahs, mkd and nkd's, etc. the subtle creation of classes and castes, the rulers, the aristocrats, the commoners..
obviously, wherever a well-established power structure and pomp and influence are present, then corruption, sycophancy, nepotism, tyranny etc. is bound to occur.
pune's amil has been very adroit and clever in creating these networks of chamcha's, goonda's, etc. he even uses some not so fanatic bohras, whenever convenient, plays one group against another and is generally making merry directing the orchestra of fools and of course, cracking his whips like a ringmaster at any over-reaching bohra who thinks he has become a lion!
our kothar is now modelled and has the same pretensions on the lines of the british royal family or the mughal emperors. notice the bestowing of grace and favour titles; the sheikhs, mullahs, mkd and nkd's, etc. the subtle creation of classes and castes, the rulers, the aristocrats, the commoners..
obviously, wherever a well-established power structure and pomp and influence are present, then corruption, sycophancy, nepotism, tyranny etc. is bound to occur.
pune's amil has been very adroit and clever in creating these networks of chamcha's, goonda's, etc. he even uses some not so fanatic bohras, whenever convenient, plays one group against another and is generally making merry directing the orchestra of fools and of course, cracking his whips like a ringmaster at any over-reaching bohra who thinks he has become a lion!
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Quote from Al Zulfiqar
Our community is run like a profit making, mega-corporation. There are layers of management; directors, managers, branch managers, accountants, p.r. deptt. advt., finance, investments specialists and so on. That there are many highly paid non-bohra, non-muslim experts working for the kothar in an extremely secretive way behind the scenes, in all these sensitive areas.
Immaculate assessment!!!!
A question always puzzles me, when a mega-corporation reaches it climax, those not getting their due share of the loot works against the interest of mega-looters. But we don’t see enough information get leaked. So either there is a very effective top administer running the show, for which syedna seems unlikely, or all so-called shezadas are satisfied with their share of the pie.
Our community is run like a profit making, mega-corporation. There are layers of management; directors, managers, branch managers, accountants, p.r. deptt. advt., finance, investments specialists and so on. That there are many highly paid non-bohra, non-muslim experts working for the kothar in an extremely secretive way behind the scenes, in all these sensitive areas.
Immaculate assessment!!!!
A question always puzzles me, when a mega-corporation reaches it climax, those not getting their due share of the loot works against the interest of mega-looters. But we don’t see enough information get leaked. So either there is a very effective top administer running the show, for which syedna seems unlikely, or all so-called shezadas are satisfied with their share of the pie.
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
your query is very valid. there are many disgruntled shehzadas who are not getting enough cut or equally. there is intense internal jockeying for power and money and those few bohras with close connections do get snippets of the dirty politics. but then they too are in bed with the robbers, so they keep mum..!
witness the massive and open scandal with the mazoon, how he was beaten up publicly and completely made redundant until recently. it was only after a huge monetary settlement to earn his allegiance and silence his dissent, that he was allowed back into the ranks of the bandits and thugs.
its very rare, but sometimes these skeletons do tumble out of the closet. usually they manage to keep a pretty tight lid on things, because at the end of the day they do realise that too much infighting might mean killing the golden goose itself and then all the easy money will vanish.
an apt example would be the saudi royal family, wherein dog eats dog is the norm, but the general population is not supposed to know! to cover up their excesses and perversions etc, they employ similar tactics, keep the innocent and ordinary public mired in false but strict islamic orthodoxy and rituals, divert their attention and make merry.
the prediction for the saudi royals is an internal collapse, under the weight of their own contradictions, excesses, loot and un-islamic practices. i think that eventually our syedna and his family and their coterie will suffer the same fate. all the struggle of the reformists' tiny boats, on grounds of rights, truth, justice etc. does not make a dent on their huge ship, because they have the nos. and the money. they will fold when their greed goes out of control and the shareholders rebel internally.
the major difference between a mega corp and our jamat is clear, atleast there is some accountability and a recourse to redressal in the former, but no such luck in the latter, as it is answerable to no one, and we are being exploited in the name of religion.
"for any revolution to succeed, it has to come from within". it cannot be imposed from outside.
witness the massive and open scandal with the mazoon, how he was beaten up publicly and completely made redundant until recently. it was only after a huge monetary settlement to earn his allegiance and silence his dissent, that he was allowed back into the ranks of the bandits and thugs.
its very rare, but sometimes these skeletons do tumble out of the closet. usually they manage to keep a pretty tight lid on things, because at the end of the day they do realise that too much infighting might mean killing the golden goose itself and then all the easy money will vanish.
an apt example would be the saudi royal family, wherein dog eats dog is the norm, but the general population is not supposed to know! to cover up their excesses and perversions etc, they employ similar tactics, keep the innocent and ordinary public mired in false but strict islamic orthodoxy and rituals, divert their attention and make merry.
the prediction for the saudi royals is an internal collapse, under the weight of their own contradictions, excesses, loot and un-islamic practices. i think that eventually our syedna and his family and their coterie will suffer the same fate. all the struggle of the reformists' tiny boats, on grounds of rights, truth, justice etc. does not make a dent on their huge ship, because they have the nos. and the money. they will fold when their greed goes out of control and the shareholders rebel internally.
the major difference between a mega corp and our jamat is clear, atleast there is some accountability and a recourse to redressal in the former, but no such luck in the latter, as it is answerable to no one, and we are being exploited in the name of religion.
"for any revolution to succeed, it has to come from within". it cannot be imposed from outside.
Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
This is an every Jamat Kahani. Almost all the Amils are doing business of selling duas, Waez, Namaz etc.
They are masters in corruptions and are teachers of all politicians that are the reason they are not questioned by the authority.
Almost all the Jamat income is spent on Amils and not a single paisa remains for the welfare of the jamat. No account is kept so that they can be caught in future.
At present the shop is opened at saifee mahal and every day there are 3 Ji-Afat from the different jamats from all over India. The charges to attend the Jiafat are fixed 5000 to 10000 Rs. Per head including a day old baby. Those who attends this jiafat have otions to buy extra surf like Mulla, Shaiks or any other titles or special doas. The insider says that earning of each day is approximately 45 to 50 lacs and almost one and half month is booked. For further booking there are competition and the bargain is on , the maximum bidder takes first chance.
Now we know lots of things about Agakhan. Even if the story is true that he is running an agency and in NGos he is taking contracts and giving it to their community members. I don’t see any thing wrong in that. At least he is doing some thing good for his community. In our community sayedna is charging us on every service and leaving lavish life.
If Sayedna starts educational institution, Hospitals and any other services out of the money extracted from us and hand over each to every of his family members and Amils to earn from it, I think in future at least the weight of these crooks will not be felt by us.
Hope Sayedna will look in to the matter and relive us from his and his crooks luxury expenses.
They are masters in corruptions and are teachers of all politicians that are the reason they are not questioned by the authority.
Almost all the Jamat income is spent on Amils and not a single paisa remains for the welfare of the jamat. No account is kept so that they can be caught in future.
At present the shop is opened at saifee mahal and every day there are 3 Ji-Afat from the different jamats from all over India. The charges to attend the Jiafat are fixed 5000 to 10000 Rs. Per head including a day old baby. Those who attends this jiafat have otions to buy extra surf like Mulla, Shaiks or any other titles or special doas. The insider says that earning of each day is approximately 45 to 50 lacs and almost one and half month is booked. For further booking there are competition and the bargain is on , the maximum bidder takes first chance.
Now we know lots of things about Agakhan. Even if the story is true that he is running an agency and in NGos he is taking contracts and giving it to their community members. I don’t see any thing wrong in that. At least he is doing some thing good for his community. In our community sayedna is charging us on every service and leaving lavish life.
If Sayedna starts educational institution, Hospitals and any other services out of the money extracted from us and hand over each to every of his family members and Amils to earn from it, I think in future at least the weight of these crooks will not be felt by us.
Hope Sayedna will look in to the matter and relive us from his and his crooks luxury expenses.
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Br. Al Zulfikar :
I am not from Pune but I used to subscribe to Nasim-e-Sahar for many years which is published from that city for last 80-90 years, I know for a fact that Abde ali bhaisaheb is the son of the previous amil Hatim bhaisaheb and not his son-in-law, Mohsin bhaisaheb is his son-in-law. Abde Ali bhai saheb is no different than any amil in any big money-making city and they (kothar) knows it well and these amils have the kothar's sanction and immunity to behave this way. All the Amils of the big cities and all the shehzadas are all" ek hammam mein sub nangay". they know each others secrets and find themselves impotent to take any action against them lest their secrets come out into the public view. We have similar situation in USA, here in Texas and in LA, in Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Bakersfield all the Amils play their cards very close to their chests, they fight among themselves jockeying for more power but mum is the word among public. with your limited income and resources you can not go to IRS or State Offices because they have big and famous law companies on their pay roll of dawat hadiya. All the Jamea educated idiots also sing their praises because their livelyhood depends on these amils.
It will take an outright rebellion from the collective bohras to staighten out these crooks, but when will that happen no one knows or can predict.
I am not from Pune but I used to subscribe to Nasim-e-Sahar for many years which is published from that city for last 80-90 years, I know for a fact that Abde ali bhaisaheb is the son of the previous amil Hatim bhaisaheb and not his son-in-law, Mohsin bhaisaheb is his son-in-law. Abde Ali bhai saheb is no different than any amil in any big money-making city and they (kothar) knows it well and these amils have the kothar's sanction and immunity to behave this way. All the Amils of the big cities and all the shehzadas are all" ek hammam mein sub nangay". they know each others secrets and find themselves impotent to take any action against them lest their secrets come out into the public view. We have similar situation in USA, here in Texas and in LA, in Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Bakersfield all the Amils play their cards very close to their chests, they fight among themselves jockeying for more power but mum is the word among public. with your limited income and resources you can not go to IRS or State Offices because they have big and famous law companies on their pay roll of dawat hadiya. All the Jamea educated idiots also sing their praises because their livelyhood depends on these amils.
It will take an outright rebellion from the collective bohras to staighten out these crooks, but when will that happen no one knows or can predict.
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
"I am not from Pune but I used to subscribe to Nasim-e-Sahar for many years which is published from that city for last 80-90 years, I know for a fact that Abde ali bhaisaheb is the son of the previous amil Hatim bhaisaheb and not his son-in-law, Mohsin bhaisaheb is his son-in-law."
Br. Akela,
I stand humbly corrected. As I mentioned, I have left pune long ago and only visit there once in a while. Yes, the amils everywhere are the same, to a lesser or greater degree. WHY??
We have an ancient saying in India, 'jaisa raaja, vaisi prajaa'. when the brain is rotten, does the body stand any chance? a similar example is of all the corrupt countries where it all starts from the top. when the public sees the shameless neta's behaviour, they say..well, if whole oceans are being gobbled up by them, then what difference will my 2 sips make..? if you cant beat 'em, join 'em philosophy!
but let us never lose hope. when all else seems lost, sometimes an exceptional person rises from the ranks, someone with a conscience who dares to be like Ali and defy the odds. you never know, but maybe a faint stirring of goodness may arise tomorrow in the heart of some shezada and then maybe he will do things that we could never have never dreamed of.
Allah achieves His Miracls in ways too wondrous to behold, beyond our comprehension!
Br. Akela,
I stand humbly corrected. As I mentioned, I have left pune long ago and only visit there once in a while. Yes, the amils everywhere are the same, to a lesser or greater degree. WHY??
We have an ancient saying in India, 'jaisa raaja, vaisi prajaa'. when the brain is rotten, does the body stand any chance? a similar example is of all the corrupt countries where it all starts from the top. when the public sees the shameless neta's behaviour, they say..well, if whole oceans are being gobbled up by them, then what difference will my 2 sips make..? if you cant beat 'em, join 'em philosophy!
but let us never lose hope. when all else seems lost, sometimes an exceptional person rises from the ranks, someone with a conscience who dares to be like Ali and defy the odds. you never know, but maybe a faint stirring of goodness may arise tomorrow in the heart of some shezada and then maybe he will do things that we could never have never dreamed of.
Allah achieves His Miracls in ways too wondrous to behold, beyond our comprehension!
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Al Zulfiqar
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BTW, talking of nasime sahar....if you recall, its founder - shk kalimuddin husseini, was himself dragged over the coals in connection with the 4 ustad's from the daras, who were murdered and discredited for daring to oppose the ex-sayedna.
the publication being his primary source of bread and butter, the poor man had to swallow his pride and take the abuse.
i do recall his amazing oratory and scholarly discourses, he spoke chaste arabic. totally dependent on the kothar, he had to continue dishing out all the lies and imaginary moajizas and false praise... perhaps a lesson to all naive bohras, never to ever put themselves in such a position where you are at the mercy of a fickle-minded and parasitic master, who will keep expoiting you, and when you are too weak, will dump you, akin to a used and soiled piece of toilet paper!
the publication being his primary source of bread and butter, the poor man had to swallow his pride and take the abuse.
i do recall his amazing oratory and scholarly discourses, he spoke chaste arabic. totally dependent on the kothar, he had to continue dishing out all the lies and imaginary moajizas and false praise... perhaps a lesson to all naive bohras, never to ever put themselves in such a position where you are at the mercy of a fickle-minded and parasitic master, who will keep expoiting you, and when you are too weak, will dump you, akin to a used and soiled piece of toilet paper!
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The situation in Hyderabad is no diff from that of Pune where the crook Aamil 'JUZER B*****D has emassed crores of rupees in the name of new masjids and other construction projects.
He is terrorizing for the last seven years and is not transferred so far due to over exceeding his targets of looting gullible bohras.
The crook lost his family in a tidal wave and his second wife (B***H)is well connected to the royal A*****S and behaves as a maharani..
He is terrorizing for the last seven years and is not transferred so far due to over exceeding his targets of looting gullible bohras.
The crook lost his family in a tidal wave and his second wife (B***H)is well connected to the royal A*****S and behaves as a maharani..
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jamanpasand
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This debate is providing valuable inside information.
Progressives have been fighting kothari individually and collectively for the last century but are unable to strike any significant dent. Therefore, the only hope for a change is from within. Many of us are interested in knowing behind the scene contenders for the succession. I am sure Zulfiqar buddies must have some insight on that.
Progressives have been fighting kothari individually and collectively for the last century but are unable to strike any significant dent. Therefore, the only hope for a change is from within. Many of us are interested in knowing behind the scene contenders for the succession. I am sure Zulfiqar buddies must have some insight on that.
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This was an article that was published in the Sept 2002 chronicle
http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/chronicle/sep02/index.htm
Who knows, what the wealth might have grown to today? Courtesy to the n'number of religious taxes and bribes these ignorant people pay.....
BTW, no new informative chronicles coming since april 05?
http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/chronicle/sep02/index.htm
Who knows, what the wealth might have grown to today? Courtesy to the n'number of religious taxes and bribes these ignorant people pay.....
BTW, no new informative chronicles coming since april 05?
Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
What action has been taken agaisnst Abdeali Bhasisaheb or we can assume that he has given free hand and their is sharing of revenue between him and kothar
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Bro RightRight wrote:What action has been taken agaisnst Abdeali Bhasisaheb or we can assume that he has given free hand and their is sharing of revenue between him and kothar
What do you expect? That these criminals will be held accountable? What a joke!!!! When the higher ups are rotten, can you expect them to deliver justice? They all sail in the same boat....
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guy_sam2005
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
id request the admin to ask this person to change his id or else block him..and guess others would have a prob with his id too as most of you claim they respect syedna saheb as their dai...Sheitan- ul- Burhania wrote:Al Zulfikar,As long as the Bohras remain naive and lack knowledge,it is unlikely anything to happen within,as they have proved to be well organized and always a step ahead. The bohras have the major roll to play,if anything massive has to occur within the Dawaat.You don't expect the Khotars shall allow anything to happen "within" at any cost."for any revolution to succeed,it has to come from within" It cannot be imposed from outside.
or are ur genuine wishes just a good read?
Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
+1guy_sam2005 wrote: id request the admin to ask this person to change his id or else block him..and guess others would have a prob with his id too as most of you claim they respect syedna saheb as their dai...
or are ur genuine wishes just a good read?
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
the pune amil is still going strong there and when he had decided to shift his mahal (residence) to camp from the old congested city area, many people had thought that his powers are finally being curtailed and he was being sidelined as amil only of camp area and a shezaada or some other high functionary would take the reins for the whole of pune.
at that time, abdeali had come to know of the rumours and openly challenged anyone to try and shunt him out from pune. he was right. nothing happened to him and he has in fact become even more brazen in his authority and acts like a 'bade bhai'. people fear him more for his powerful connections with kothar and with the well-known power brokers like goondas, politicians and police, besides his being an amil.
starting with his father, pune has had an almost 50 year unbroken reign of father and son. it is quite likely this scenario will not change in the near future atleast.
at that time, abdeali had come to know of the rumours and openly challenged anyone to try and shunt him out from pune. he was right. nothing happened to him and he has in fact become even more brazen in his authority and acts like a 'bade bhai'. people fear him more for his powerful connections with kothar and with the well-known power brokers like goondas, politicians and police, besides his being an amil.
starting with his father, pune has had an almost 50 year unbroken reign of father and son. it is quite likely this scenario will not change in the near future atleast.
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ghulam muhammed
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Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
There was this gentleman Mr.Asgarbhai Poonawala who expired a couple of years back and who has his shop at budhwar peth area. This man kept himself totally away from the mainstream bohras and never attended any bohra functions or masjids, needless to say that he never paid wajebat but at the same time he was highly influential and shared an excellent rapport with top officials in Pune. Hence abdeali and his goons kept a safe distance from him. Now it so happened that some zaadas had purchased acres of land near lonavla but the same was under litigation as it belonged to adivasis and it was almost impossible to get it transferred. Some chamcha told abdeali that the only person who could help them was Asgarbhai. The besharam that they are, this crook abdeali approached Asgarbhai, went to his shop (Remember bohras come running and crawl on their feet when abdeali calls them) and requested him to help them out. After much coaxing and cajoling, Asgarbhai agreed and spoke to the top authorities and the work was done.Al Zulfiqar wrote:he has built up a very strong rapport with govt authorities, police, mp's, ministers etc.,
Inspite of not having an e-jamat card, Asgarbhai was buried in bohra kabrastan as his funeral was attended by top bureaucrats and govt officials from pune and in front of whom no bohra including abdeali and kothar could dare raise their voice or do any 'chu-cha'..
Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
Is there anyone who knows Abdeali Bhaisahab's mobile number?
Re: Pune City Aamil: Priest or a businessman
Long back the letter I had recieved had the following numbers of Amil Abde Ali Puna Camp:
(0212) 654572, 658898, 656785
(0212) 654572, 658898, 656785