List of succession disputes in Dawoodi Bohra HIstory

[khokawala]

I was researching on the succession disputes of various Dai of dawoodi bohra, I wanted the chronology of succession dispute like at what number the first split occured and then when did sulaimani, alavi split occur:

eg:

1212 AH 12 th Dai Sulaimani bohra
14xx AH 44 th Dai Alavi bohra

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.
..
14xx AH 47 th Dai
14xx AH 53 rd dai ongoing

[Sceptical]

Imamat
95H/714 : Al-Baqir / Zaidi schism (after Imam Ali ibn Husain Zain-ul-abidin AS)
148H/765 : Ismaili/ Ithna-Asharis schism (after Imam Jafar-as-Sadiq AS)
487H/1094 : Mustali / Nizari schism (after Imam Mustansir Billah AS)
524H/1130 : Tayyebi / Hafizi schism (after Imam Amir AS)

Dai
15th century : Jafari schism (also known as Shia-Sunni Schism)
999H/1591 : Sulaimani schism (after 26th Dai, Syedna Dawood Bin Ajab Shah RA)
1034H/1624 : Alavi-Nagoshi schism (after 28th Dai, Syedna Sheikh Aadam Safiuddin RA)
1171H/1761 : Hibtia schism (during 40th dai era, Syedna Hebatullah RA)
1255H/1840 : Abta-i-Malak schism (after death of 46th Dai, Syedna Mohammad Badruddin RA)

reference : Mullahs on the Mainframe, Jonah Blank

[Abuzer]

wow amazing and I am sure they all claim to be on HAQ, now I wonder how come today's generation know actual HAQ.

only coming of Imam is solution to all this.

[khokawala]

thanks but there are many more I guess , I heard that even 47th was disputed

[Sceptical]

thanks but there are many more I guess , I heard that even 47th was disputed

you didn't read I guess...

1255H/1840 : Abta-i-Malak schism (after death of 46th Dai, Syedna Mohammad Badruddin RA)

[Munira_RV]

wow amazing and I am sure they all claim to be on HAQ, now I wonder how come today's generation know actual HAQ.

only coming of Imam is solution to all this.[/color]

Q1) How today's generation will determine if Mohamed PBUH was really on HAQ (a Prophet) and not otherwise? And if Quran is the HAQ words of Allah?

Q2) Can you cite proof if Allah exist? Remember inference is not equal to proof. Do not cite inferences, cite material evidence. And there after how today's generation will prove the HAQ is with Islamic Allah and not with the God's of other religions?

Q3) How today's generation will determine who was HAQ successor of Mohamed PBUH - Mola Ali a.s. or Hazrat Abu Bakr sahib?

[Abuzer]

wow amazing and I am sure they all claim to be on HAQ, now I wonder how come today's generation know actual HAQ.

only coming of Imam is solution to all this.[/color]

Q1) How today's generation will determine if Mohamed PBUH was really on HAQ (a Prophet) and not otherwise? And if Quran is the HAQ words of Allah?

Q2) Can you cite proof if Allah exist? Remember inference is not equal to proof. Do not cite inferences, cite material evidence. And there after how today's generation will prove the HAQ is with Islamic Allah and not with the God's of other religions?

Q3) How today's generation will determine who was HAQ successor of Mohamed PBUH - Mola Ali a.s. or Hazrat Abu Bakr sahib?

^ if you need proof for above points then you are not even muslim and a shia.

muslims and shia already have faith on above points, problem arises when small confusing circles starts creating it self beneath small communities.

[fustrate_Bohra]

wow amazing and I am sure they all claim to be on HAQ, now I wonder how come today's generation know actual HAQ.

only coming of Imam is solution to all this.[/color]

Q1) How today's generation will determine if Mohamed PBUH was really on HAQ (a Prophet) and not otherwise? And if Quran is the HAQ words of Allah?

Q2) Can you cite proof if Allah exist? Remember inference is not equal to proof. Do not cite inferences, cite material evidence. And there after how today's generation will prove the HAQ is with Islamic Allah and not with the God's of other religions?

Q3) How today's generation will determine who was HAQ successor of Mohamed PBUH - Mola Ali a.s. or Hazrat Abu Bakr sahib?

Munira ben the proof is their HUMANITY. Their work towards the betterment of ordinary people and their simple life style. i think this was enough to believe to the core of our heart that rasulallah and his progenies were on haq. They DID what they PREACHED.

Because we believe rasulallah, we believe existence of ALLAH and that ALLAH is one period.

Now you tell us what made you feel that our syednas or more importantly MS is on haq?

[think]

For argument's sake; history tells us that nabi Dawood and Nabi Suleman were very rich., so to state that if one is rich he cannot be a dai or a religious person does not hold true because Soloman and Dawood nabi were both very rich nabi's. so a rich dai could very well be a genuine representative of Imam Tayeb and then Allah. Allah only knows.

[JC]

Think,

What do you think were the 'sources' of the richness of those Nabees?? How did they collect that wealth??

[seeker110]

whole sale misaq.

[Munira_RV]

Q1) How today's generation will determine if Mohamed PBUH was really on HAQ (a Prophet) and not otherwise? And if Quran is the HAQ words of Allah?

Q2) Can you cite proof if Allah exist? Remember inference is not equal to proof. Do not cite inferences, cite material evidence. And there after how today's generation will prove the HAQ is with Islamic Allah and not with the God's of other religions?

Q3) How today's generation will determine who was HAQ successor of Mohamed PBUH - Mola Ali a.s. or Hazrat Abu Bakr sahib?

^ if you need proof for above points then you are not even muslim and a shia.

muslims and shia already have faith on above points, problem arises when small confusing circles starts creating it self beneath small communities.

Thanks for acknowledging: both Sunni Muslims and Ithna Asheri Shia are not taught proofs (reasoning) and are not convinced about Islam, just their doctrines/dogmas are forced into their head.

[fustrate_Bohra]

Sry munira_rv, as i mentioned in my above post we (including shiah) n Sunnis HAVE REASONS to believe rasulallah/allah n imams(by us).

[kseeker]

For argument's sake; history tells us that nabi Dawood and Nabi Suleman were very rich., so to state that if one is rich he cannot be a dai or a religious person does not hold true because Soloman and Dawood nabi were both very rich nabi's. so a rich dai could very well be a genuine representative of Imam Tayeb and then Allah. Allah only knows.

The problem is not with the fact that the Dai/Nabi is rich... question is HOW did they become rich.... From 47th to 53rd..pretty much all are of the same family.. so please explain to me how did the 51st Dai become so rich when his family was so poor?

[kseeker]

thanks but there are many more I guess , I heard that even 47th was disputed

you didn't read I guess...

1255H/1840 : Abta-i-Malak schism (after death of 46th Dai, Syedna Mohammad Badruddin RA)

Can you please be kind enough to share detail on this schism... who is abta i Malak?

[Sceptical]

Atba-i-malak
The controversery began with the succession of Syedna Mohammad Badruddin (46th Dai) who died under suspicous circumstances. 15 years later after Syedna Badruddin RA demise, Syedna Abdul Qadir Najmuddin RA (47th Dai) nass was called into question : since the designation had never been made public, critic charged that preceding Dai had been killed to prevent him from anointing a different candidate.

The Abta-i Malak jamaat broke off from Dawoodi Bohra under the leadership of Abdul Hussain Jivaji during the reign of 49th Dai, Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin RA. Jivaji claimed he had been appointed to the office of Hujja by the Hidden Imam. Hujja is the most important rutbah after Imam.

They split into 2 more branches, the Atba-e-Malak Badar and Atba-i-Malak Vakil.

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/news/185/64/T ... l_article/

[Abuzer]

so who is current leader? where is his pictures or his website for reference?