Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Qadir » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:51 am

Dear, ghulam muhammed Dont you have any shame how to address any elder. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin may be the same age as your father . What you address him is very rude and unacceptable.

Akhtiar Wahid
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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:39 am

Dear Admin,

It has come to my notice that Universaldad is lying and running a propaganda to fool the members on this forum regarding this case.

If universaldad is so confident about his masters MS campaign and gaining victory over this case. Please explain to us in brief who these kids are their face and names. As we know there are 100's of children in Qasre Aali family and hardly any common bohra knows who is who, anyone can be deceived.

Please show the verdict of court statements where it states that MS and Co has won the case and children are handed over to them.

Please members and readers do not fall in trap of these kothari missionaries who are you to spread lies and deceive us.

Whatsapp messages does not prove authenticity about anything.

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by y-kuc » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:26 am

Ghulam bhai,

Could you please give the link for the above post. It is on one more thread but the link is incomplete so i was not able to open it.

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Universaldad » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:41 am

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Dear Admin,

It has come to my notice that Universaldad is lying and running a propaganda to fool the members on this forum regarding this case.

If universaldad is so confident about his masters MS campaign and gaining victory over this case. Please explain to us in brief who these kids are their face and names. As we know there are 100's of children in Qasre Aali family and hardly any common bohra knows who is who, anyone can be deceived.

Please show the verdict of court statements where it states that MS and Co has won the case and children are handed over to them.

Please members and readers do not fall in trap of these kothari missionaries who are you to spread lies and deceive us.

Whatsapp messages does not prove authenticity about anything.
Wahid follower of KQ,

Check mumbai mirror today and your masters son Aziz has confirmed the verdict. (sentence deleted for innuendos )


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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:24 pm

Qadir wrote:Dear, ghulam muhammed Dont you have any shame how to address any elder. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin may be the same age as your father . What you address him is very rude and unacceptable.
Dear Qadir, Unfortunately I have learnt the art of addressing elders from your Mola itself who doesn't have shame in abusing and showering laanats on his uncle who also happens to be his ex father-in-law and also Mazoon-e-dawat.

Universaldad
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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Universaldad » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:07 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Qadir wrote:Dear, ghulam muhammed Dont you have any shame how to address any elder. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin may be the same age as your father . What you address him is very rude and unacceptable.
Dear Qadir, Unfortunately I have learnt the art of addressing elders from your Mola itself who doesn't have shame in abusing and showering laanats on his uncle who also happens to be his ex father-in-law and also Mazoon-e-dawat.
Ghulam, please clarify, are you a supporter of Khuzema, Engineer (deleted)? Why do you keep so much interest in Dawoodi Bohra affairs when it does not concern you? dont you have a life? Suggest you get a dog and call it life, then you will be able to say you have one. :D

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:03 am

Suggest you get a dog and call it life
That is what exactly SMS and his gang is doing, treating all the Abdes like you as Dog and call it life and enjoyment.
Unfortunately you do not even realize that you are being treated worst then Dog by SMS and his Goons :oops:

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Biradar » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 am

I am not sure why followers of Mr. Muffadul (LA) are celebrating. These children and pawns in a much bigger game, and their custody battle is irrelevant to the larger issue of nass. Also, not to put a fine point on it, the current physical custody of the kids is with the father, but it does not mean that they will have sole custody. In general, once the divorce is complete, the question of custody sharing (or lack thereof) comes up. In any case, these children are just a victim of the royal greed and hunger of the bohra leadership for money and power.

It is ironic that the so-called "royal" family is now getting its comeuppance. In the same way as these parasites separated families, destroyed marriages and caused untold pain and sadness, now their own families are facing the same problems. Allah works in mysterious ways, and his justice is sweet. It is clear, this drama is only the first step. As is well known, SMB lived the last two years of his life in humiliation, being paraded around like a mannequin dummy by his children to draw the crowds and get funds flowing. He could hardly say a word or move around, yet was pushed around and shoved by Mr. Muffadul (LA) to participate in a grotesque drama. We have seen the death by madness of his youngest brother, Mohammad al-Baqir BS. More humiliation and aafat are on the way. Very soon, we will see further public humiliation of this [DELETED] clan, [DELETED] [DELETED]

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:50 am

Very well said Biradar
unfortunately we do not have like button we need it badly

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:43 am

Universaldad wrote:
Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Dear Admin,

It has come to my notice that Universaldad is lying and running a propaganda to fool the members on this forum regarding this case.

If universaldad is so confident about his masters MS campaign and gaining victory over this case. Please explain to us in brief who these kids are their face and names. As we know there are 100's of children in Qasre Aali family and hardly any common bohra knows who is who, anyone can be deceived.

Please show the verdict of court statements where it states that MS and Co has won the case and children are handed over to them.

Please members and readers do not fall in trap of these kothari missionaries who are you to spread lies and deceive us.

Whatsapp messages does not prove authenticity about anything.
Wahid follower of KQ,

Check mumbai mirror today and your masters son Aziz has confirmed the verdict. (sentence deleted for innuendos )
Mr. Universalfool read the news properly, In your excitement you completely forgot to read between the lines and understand how cleverly this article has been produced to fool gullible idiots like you.

This case was for SKQ's daughter to get complete custody of children, but court decided to give their fathers temporary custody as the children also belong to their father. These people are throwing crap and you are taking it like always.

Fathers have not got complete custody, Ten days each month and if any of the parent pressurize or tortures them to bend their ways they will be put behind the bars.

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by james » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:02 pm

Biradar wrote:I am not sure why followers of Mr. Muffadul (LA) are celebrating. These children and pawns in a much bigger game, and their custody battle is irrelevant to the larger issue of nass. Also, not to put a fine point on it, the current physical custody of the kids is with the father, but it does not mean that they will have sole custody. In general, once the divorce is complete, the question of custody sharing (or lack thereof) comes up. In any case, these children are just a victim of the royal greed and hunger of the bohra leadership for money and power.

It is ironic that the so-called "royal" family is now getting its comeuppance. In the same way as these parasites separated families, destroyed marriages and caused untold pain and sadness, now their own families are facing the same problems. Allah works in mysterious ways, and his justice is sweet. It is clear, this drama is only the first step. As is well known, SMB lived the last two years of his life in humiliation, being paraded around like a mannequin dummy by his children to draw the crowds and get funds flowing. He could hardly say a word or move around, yet was pushed around and shoved by Mr. Muffadul (LA) to participate in a grotesque drama. We have seen the death by madness of his youngest brother, Mohammad al-Baqir BS. More humiliation and aafat are on the way. Very soon, we will see further public humiliation of this [DELETED] clan, [DELETED] [DELETED]
Thanks for dropping the facade of affixing "RA" after Syedna's name. You just couldn't keep up the masquerade for long,could you? :lol:

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:39 pm

james wrote:
Biradar wrote:I am not sure why followers of Mr. Muffadul (LA) are celebrating. These children and pawns in a much bigger game, and their custody battle is irrelevant to the larger issue of nass. Also, not to put a fine point on it, the current physical custody of the kids is with the father, but it does not mean that they will have sole custody. In general, once the divorce is complete, the question of custody sharing (or lack thereof) comes up. In any case, these children are just a victim of the royal greed and hunger of the bohra leadership for money and power.

It is ironic that the so-called "royal" family is now getting its comeuppance. In the same way as these parasites separated families, destroyed marriages and caused untold pain and sadness, now their own families are facing the same problems. Allah works in mysterious ways, and his justice is sweet. It is clear, this drama is only the first step. As is well known, SMB lived the last two years of his life in humiliation, being paraded around like a mannequin dummy by his children to draw the crowds and get funds flowing. He could hardly say a word or move around, yet was pushed around and shoved by Mr. Muffadul (LA) to participate in a grotesque drama. We have seen the death by madness of his youngest brother, Mohammad al-Baqir BS. More humiliation and aafat are on the way. Very soon, we will see further public humiliation of this [DELETED] clan, [DELETED] [DELETED]
Thanks for dropping the facade of affixing "RA" after Syedna's name. You just couldn't keep up the masquerade for long,could you? :lol:
There is a gujarati saying...... "Jyaar thi jaaga tyaar thi savaar" !

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by abde53 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:15 am

Looks like after divorce from Arwa Ben, Taha Saifuddin BS is already busy looking for a new Shikar in the form of a wife. News from USA is that he is currently in Las Vegas with his children and staying at Holiday Inn
It is also rumored that one of the girl he is interested even testified in favor of Arwa Ben during the Divorce/child custody case.
May be some one from USA can verify the story.SBM bhai or Crater Lake Ben-Think for yourself ben can shed some light on it

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:23 am

^
I live in East Coast and Las Vegas is on the West side hopefully Sister Crater Lake and Think for yourself may have some knowledge

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:42 am

SBM wrote:^
I live in East Coast and Las Vegas is on the West side hopefully Sister Crater Lake and Think for yourself may have some knowledge
Why would it matter to us who Taha Saifuddin proposes to! He could propose to Paris Hilton and it would be a yawner....

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:02 am

It matters because the followers of SMS should know what there masters are upto. Remember it is the same Kothari Goons who made the big deal about Khuzema Qutbuddin of his involvement with Nafisa Ali in his younger days
BTW information put by Br Abde53 may be eschewed. I got information that Taha is courting one Umaima who testified against Arwa
Oh well Family Feud at its best

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An Open Letter to Mr. Taha Mufaddal Saifuddin

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:15 am

What Fatah-e-Mubeen? It is your personal matter.

Saifuddin Insaf
Editor, Bohra Chronicle
1202 Zeenet, LBS Marg, Mulund (W), Mumbai- 400 080.
Phone: 981988 4226 E-mail : sinsaf@yahoo.com

To,
Mr. Taha Mufaddal Saifuddin'
Saifee Mahal,
Pavai Road, Malabar Hills, Mumbai- 400006

Sub: S-1501-FL-627601 under Domestic Violence Prevention (Act DVPA) for separation & Custody of Children dated 30-01-2014 in the court of California by your wife, Arwa against you.

Is It not a fact that since 17-01-2014 till today your children are with your wife Arwa in America?
The court has granted interim relief in the matter and provided for alternate custody of your children between you and your wife. The court has opined that ultimate judgement in the matter can only be from a court of competent jurisdiction in India since both your Arwa's family originates in India.

Even then to hide the facts from public and to fool the entire community, it is announced in public sermons in masjid (obviously under your instruction) that Great Victory (Fateh Mobin) has been accomplished by Daawat Hadiyah and the custody of your children has been ultimately granted to you and that the children are back in Saifee Mahal in your custody. What a shame? It is the usual modus operandi of " Fateh Mobin" celebration since Chandabhai Galla case it is however gross misquotation of a court judgement. It is a contempt of court. It tarnishes the credibility and prestige of " Daawat Hadiya " which contents that it is the only "Rightful Islamic Mission ( " Haq Ni Daawat) in the Islamic world.

More shameful are the charges leveled against you by your wife and mother of your children. She has said "She was repeatedly raped by you during the three-year period prior to her leaving India.
You locked her in a room and would not let her leave.
You threw her cell phone against the wall and broke it.
You would punch your fist into the wall or bang your head against the wall if ARWA did not want to engage in sex with you.
You threatened to burn your 5 years old child, M with a lit match when you were angry.
You dragged your 14 years daughter, S out of bed by her hair when you were angry.
Even if these charges are refuted by you one thing is clear that the Bohras now know how much pious, kind-hearted and people of high moral and ethics you all are! You and your wife both belong to Sayedna Taher Saifuddin's family.

Whether you like it or not I would like add to your knowledge that in Islam only Fatah-e-Mubeen was celebrated when The holy Prophet, Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa (pbuh) in March 628 AD succeeded with sulahe-Hudaybiyyah (The Treaty of Hudaybiyyah). It was an important event that took place during the formation of Islam. Hence it was described as Great Victory (Fatah-e-Mubeen. A fantastic exaggeration of that by your family.
Thought late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin had lost Chanda Bhoy Galla case as he was made accountable for public money he fooled the entire community by announcing "Fatah-e-Mubeen thus hiding his defeat.

Fight between you and your wife is solely your personal matter, general followers are not interested what you do within the four walls of bed room. Neither it is a matter of Dawat-e-Hadiyah.

I request you that please stop fooling innocent Mumineen even if you can not guide them on the right path.
Your Well-wisher,
Saifuddin Insaf

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Adam » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:33 am

SBM » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:13 pm
Let us see if Adam aka Taha Hakimuddin can respond to these. How come grand children are not going back to India with him as he said earlier.


The Children have reached Mumbai, India.
Alhamdolillah.

Got my answer SBM?

@Biradar
@
These children and pawns in a much bigger game, and their custody battle is irrelevant to the larger issue of nass.

Correct. This case hasn't anything to do with the Nass Case.
It's just a starter to KQ to warn him of what's in store for him.
If he tries to make a false claim (like KQ and his daughters), and goes to Court on a false claim and continues to twist the truth, The Truth Will Prevail, and he will suffer a humiliating defeat.

In that sense, it's related to the Nass Case. But KQ isn't smart enough, or too arrogant, to get the hint.


@S. Insaf
Most of the claims of the daughters lacked credibility. Hence they were lying, just like their father KQ.
Yes. It is a personal matter. So why are you posting it on a Public Forum?


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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:06 am

If what insaf bhai has mentioned is truth than m surprise as to why kqs side is not responding to fake FATEH MUBIN ?

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:51 pm

Floating around on WhatsApp :

"Aa bewe moula je Raudat ma suta che, ye uthi ne aawe to aa zulm karnarao ne pakde.
Watching their kids do ziyarat
Dawedars ni chokrio fatema and Arwa"

The mothers are in Mumbai and cannot go to Rozat Tahera for ziyarat so they are visiting from the expressway bridge
arwa.jpg

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:58 pm

Adam wrote:If he tries to make a false claim (like KQ and his daughters), and goes to Court on a false claim and continues to twist the truth, The Truth Will Prevail, and he will suffer a humiliating defeat.
Your master Muffy also did the same when he transferred around 100 dawat properties of Gujarat in his name OVERNIGHT but sadly truth didn't prevail as he "managed" to get a judgement in his favour due to the sudden transfer of the Judge by his bosom pal Modi !!

Moral of the story :- In the present times, truth does not always necessarily prevail as it is crushed under the weight of money which unfortunately lies with Muffy, thanks to abde idiots !!

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:02 pm

Adam wrote:Most of the claims of the daughters lacked credibility. Hence they were lying, just like their father KQ.
After the terrible Nass fiasco in broad daylight Mufaddalis talking of credibility ?? As regards KQ's daughters credibility, you need to once again read the case papers wherein your master's sons have admitted to most of the allegations levelled against them.

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by Qadir » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:51 am

The case of children custody is personal matter of SMS and KQ.
Why should we be so concerned for it.
We must believe in Allah Ta'ala and Muhammad Rasulallah who would want us to pray 5 times namaaz, be good to everyone, and never say something offensive to anyone whoever he/she maybe.
We must stop discussing so much about children custody and mind our own personal matters.
Never speak anything if you cant speak good for anyone.

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:34 am

My dear QADIR its MS who is publicising the return of farzandos by FAKE FATEH MUBIN.

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:41 am

must believe in Allah Ta'ala and Muhammad Rasulallah who would want us to pray 5 times namaaz, be good to everyone
Good Can you tell this to your Master and all the Aamil who do a speedy Namaz and continuous Maatam
When was the last time you or anyone heard about the importance of 5 times Namaz on the contrary Bohra says we pray 3 times and many abdes/amtes do not even do that.
Be good to everyone so why was he sending Lanaat to his own uncle and a Mazoon he agreed for 50 years

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by mnoorani » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:41 am

Qadir wrote:The case of children custody is personal matter of SMS and KQ.
Why should we be so concerned for it.
We must believe in Allah Ta'ala and Muhammad Rasulallah who would want us to pray 5 times namaaz, be good to everyone, and never say something offensive to anyone whoever he/she maybe.
We must stop discussing so much about children custody and mind our own personal matters.
Never speak anything if you cant speak good for anyone.
Well said Qadir bhai, but these Munafiqs do not understand. They have publicized the whole event by even putting a picture of the children on the cake and sending messages of whats app.
Nobody should say anything offensive to anybody. It is only the haq of the Haq na dai to pronounce laanats and gaalis in the masjid to the ex mazoon whom he dutifully respected during his fathers lifetime for fifty years. We are the followers and we should not immitates the verbal offensives of our Dai Al Mutlaq Sayedna Mufaddal Saifuddin.

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:22 am

Qadir wrote: Never speak anything if you cant speak good for anyone.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Qadir bhai you forgot your own advice when you spoke ill of SKQ on the other thread. Not sure what is greater your stupidity or your hypocrisy!

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:47 am

I frequently see Mufaddal groupies call SKQ followers delusional but no one mentions the delusion of the MS and QJ sons, husbands of SKQ daughters.

I believe it was delusional of the husbands to imagine that they (by their own admission) could openly disrespect their wives father, get violent over their wishes to visit their parents, show disproportionate anger over their perceived housekeeping mistakes, show disproportionate anger in disciplining the children and then expect the wives to roll over and welcome them into marital relations in the bed-chamber.......Just sayin'.... :roll:

It would seem that their expectations were not grounded in reality which led to their frustrated punching of walls and the raping of their wives.

Every married bohra man knows all too well that unless the wife is treated like a flower, exactly as per Burhanuddin Moula's naseehat, the wife will withold certain gifts :D These men seemed to have missed out completely on those lessons despite having grown up in Burhanuddin Moula's home. Shame on them!

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Re: Saifuddin v/s Saifuddin: Child custody case judgment

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:45 am

SBM wrote:Floating around on WhatsApp :

"Aa bewe moula je Raudat ma suta che, ye uthi ne aawe to aa zulm karnarao ne pakde.
Watching their kids do ziyarat
Dawedars ni chokrio fatema and Arwa"

The mothers are in Mumbai and cannot go to Rozat Tahera for ziyarat so they are visiting from the expressway bridge
arwa.jpg

Is this accurate or a fake message ?? If accurate, it is sad.