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Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:11 pm

The History of Saifee Mahal That Needs To Be Told

After the Africa incident, SKQ’s maternal family abandoned him. But what’s interesting is that before the incident, these same family members were responsible for highlighting him in every way possible and in many instances, it was obvious to many that these family members were giving him more importance than they were to SMB. This behavior is what initially laid the foundation for bringing down SKQ.

After the wafaat of SMB, meetings were held daily in Saifee Mahal led by Idris bs. In these meetings, SKQ was bad-mouthed by various family members. One of the maternal sisters actually accused SKQ’s immediate family of being very ruthless in their dealings with her and her children. This is the same complaint raised by other maternal SKQ siblings and their children (who are the children of Amena Aisaheba, STS’s fourth wife). Especially the grandchildren of Amena Aisaheba are vehemently anti-SKQ and have been for decades. They complain of being disrespected by SKQ’s children and hence breaking away from them entirely.

While all this movement from pro-SKQ to anti-SKQ developed within Amena Aisaheba’s family, SKQ’s children became more and more isolated and participation in family activities with SMB and Saifee Mahal in general became almost zero. This self-isolation eventually led to the rest of Saifee Mahal actually isolating them on purpose and not only avoiding them, but name-calling and laughing at almost everything that they did. The rest of Qasre Aali (family members of SMB and children of STS aka Saifee Mahal) began a campaign to downplay the role of mazoon during this time. Ridiculing SKQ’s family had gone down to such a level that even their dress habits were criticized.

This is what laid the foundation to the split we are seeing today. All of this time, the shehzadas of SMB were becoming stronger and almost god-like in the eyes of the public – especially Mufaddal bs. At the same time, the sons of SKQ were becoming the opposite. A campaign in Saifee Mahal against SKQ’s sons was amplified when Aziz bs refused to marry Umama bs (Huzaifa bs’ daughter) in Surat – leading to a hateful campaign led by Qasim bs to label SKQ as “not being with Mola” and being against “Mola’s khushi”. This Surat episode was the beginning of an all-out public campaign against mazoon himself. This campaign also included a major criticism by the powers that were that SKQ and his children made little mention of SMB in any of their speeches.

To come back to the present time, the sons of SKQ have an uphill battle – as is obvious from their perception described above. To go from persona-non-grata to shehzada in a matter of days is a daunting task. So in Saifee Mahal, it is not only the downgrading of SKQ that impacts any possible support for him, but the perception and deep resentment of the sons of SKQ that makes SKQ himself downgraded especially in the eyes of the young generation of bhaisahebs.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:13 pm

The Case Against Bombay Mumineen

For years after the wafaat of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA would perform Ashara in Mumbai. Then suddenly, something began to change. Yusuf bs Najmuddin began a campaign against the mumineen of “Bombay”. This was a campaign against Mukasir Saleh bs Safiyuddin as well. Saleh bs was quite liberal compared to Yusuf bs. In effect, Yusuf bs began lobbying the shehzadas of Burhanuddin Mola against Saleh bs. The same sort of venom that was used for Syedna Qutbuddin was - in a much more diluted form – used for Saleh bs. The claim: Saleh bs was not acting according to the “khushi” of Burhanuddin Mola.

This campaign against the well-loved Syedi Saleh bs was also a campaign against the mumineen of Mumbai. Outright and in public, Yusuf bs claimed that Mumbai mumineen’s “ikhlaas” was questionable. At one point in time, Burhanuddin Mola was in Surat; this was before Yusuf bs’ Multaqa. Yusuf bs claimed that Burhanuddin Mola was very angry at the mumineen of Bombay particularly and that he was not willing to speak to anyone! The pressure on Saleh bs was full-force. He was heard to say that I can hardly wait for that day that I can be taken away from all of these people (the family of Yusuf bs).

There was a big shake-up in Saifee Mahal and especially the family of Amena Aisaheba was a target. The claim was that Amena Aisaheba’s family especially was not fulfilling the wishes of Burhanuddin Mola. This is when the campaign for rida/topi/etc. had been launched. The climax of this campaign was Yusuf bs’ Multaqa – which transformed the Bohra community to what it is today. At the same time, Syedi Saleh bs was downgraded – for “not following the wishes” of Burhanuddin Mola, and Amena Aisaheba’s family – who was always on the forefront of education and modernism – was downgraded to the same level. The claim: Amena Aisaheba’s family did not have enough “ikhlaas” like Yusuf bs’ family (Fatema Aisaheba’s family).

Yusuf bs prepared the Multaqa in such a way that Burhanuddin Mola had to give his stamp of approval. He was left no choice. And during the campaign and before the Multaqa, Yusuf bs told all of Saifee Mahal to come to Surat and ask for “maafi” from Burhanuddin Mola because he was very angry at everyone. For the first time, there was real confusion and insecurity in all of Saifee Mahal – especially in the non-Fatema Aisaheba families – the children of Amena Aisaheba and Wazira Aisaheba. One after the other, adult and child alike, came to Burhanuddin Mola and asked for “maafi”. Most did not even know what the “maafi” was for – but they had no choice. Nobody could question the campaign and nobody could ever question the campaigner – at least not in public! From this point on, Ashara were hardly held in Mumbai.
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Unread post by SBM » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:16 pm

Br Haqniwaat and Br GM
It would be interesting if you and others can put more light on the inner working of Saify Mahal and more details about number of Dependents on hand outs,
number of Non Bohra working and serving the masters
Admin: Please make sure that non relevant posts on this topic gets removed so ordinary Bohras understand how their Masters live the life of Yazidi era.

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Unread post by alam » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:36 pm

I remember the case against "Bombay naa mumineen". This was indeed the case where the Bombay Jamaat Ayaaan were reduced to forcibly doing maafi by YN and goons, for being behind, and lagging, as opposed to the Africaa naa mumineen showing their true ikhlaas.

I second this post by HQ. it is factually correct. Other elders may recall this too.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:39 pm

Bring Them All In Line

So around the time of the Multaqa, [Link DELETED - considered UnSafe by Admin group] most adult members of Saifee Mahal had to fend for themselves - live in the real world. Some left India for better pastures and the ones who were still in Mumbai, were struggling to make ends meet - just like the rest of us. Some had jobs and some had small businesses. Once again, Yusuf bs to the rescue. A new campaign of bringing everyone in line - a witch hunt had started. Those who held jobs, especially, were considered the worst. If you are not in "khidmat", you are a nobody. Saifee Mahal was once again torn apart by this new shake-up. Those who had passed the age of attending Jamea, were excused and "strongly coerced" to become aamils. Those who were in college and school were told to go to Jamea - "if they wanted to remain a bhaisaheb". There was no choice. It was the highest degree of peer pressure.

After his father-in-law's death, Mufaddal bs continued this campaign of Jamea and amaalat. Those who really could not do amaalat were sent to offices in Badri Mahal. The handful of those men who were not a part of the campaign, were persona non-grata. They were simply tolerated but not respected - not even by Kothar. Eventually, even this handful ended up doing something or another - following a shehzada wherever he went as his personal assistant, or hanging around Badri Mahal hoping to get scraps here and there.

Coming back to today, now we can see why not a single bhaisaheb in Saifee Mahal will dare to open his mouth against Mufaddal bs. And the new generation of bhaisaheb Jamea graduates - the totally unprepared for the outside world - are the new aamils and "leaders" of Mufaddal bs' raj. This new generation are the great grandchildren and great-great grandchildren of Syedna Taher Saifuddin. Unfit to survive in the outside world and unable to comprehend you and me - especially the new generation of westernized and modernized mumineen. This was not the dream that Syedna Taher Saifuddin had of the future.
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Unread post by Biradar » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:09 pm

haqniwaat: what you are revealing, basically goes to show the SMB was totally unable to control his brothers and sons, and hence a very weak and ineffectual leader. How come he could not intervene and stop this Iblisi Toli in its track? He was da'i for 50 years, and a single open scolding from him in a vayeez would have put a halt to this mischief. Yet, he did not do anything. Why? If he could not bring justice and fairness to his own family members, what could ordinary bohras expect from him? Hence this terrible feeling on injustice and lack of succor from SMB when his family launched their tyranny on ordinary bohras. What was SMB doing? Sleeping? Or wringing his hands in helplessness?

Sorry to say this, but SMB was not a very good leader, and although he was eloquent, he was weak and unable to eradicate these mischievous weeds from the garden of dawaat. I feel that STS, on the other hand, was far more powerful, perhaps even ruthlessly so, and brought the whole then dawaat machinery under his control. How come SMB could not do so?

But, please keep going. All of this sounds like a very interesting soap opera, hopefully dispelling this veneer of infallibility around the person of the da'i.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:46 pm

My Brother You Are Not

After the wafaat of STS, Saifee Mahal was still a big family. Everyone truly enjoyed as a normal family would. But the lingering cloud became thicker and grayer after SKQ was pronounced mazoon and Amena Aisaheba's family became very powerful. [Refer to a previous post about the 180 degree-turnaround of Amena Aisaheba children against SKQ] These were the younger shehzadas and shehzadis of Syedna Taher Saifuddin and were more worldly-educated and up-to-date with the times. Fatema Aisaheba's family felt like underdogs - often undone by this vibrant counterpart. So the jealousy festered and the pot brewed - in Biblical proportions. Yusuf bs was the star - the way out of being outdone.

But the twist was mystifying. Yusuf bs was not familial with his own family - the Fatema Aisaheba children. In fact, he had a real issue - or vice versa - with Qasim bs, his maternal younger brother. So great was the divide that when koserali (son of Yusuf bs) asked for the hand of Qasim bs' daughter, it was an unthinkable and impossible act. Qasim bs was always jealous of his brother and didn't mince words when he made it obvious at times. When Yusuf bs was in the USA in Chicago, he held a mini-Multaqa there. Qasim bs was furious that when he arrived to USA, a Multaqa was not held for him. So this is the mukasir of Mufaddal bs - Qasim bs; no further adjectives required here.

All this time, Burhanuddin Mola's shehzadas were mesmerized with Yusuf bs. He played all the cards very well. He would even say publicly in his speeches - he gave many - in front of Burhanuddin Mola in various majlis - that he was so blessed that Burhanuddin Mola had allowed him to sit above his own shehzadas. Talk about butter! But the shehzadas took it like bees to flower. The nectar was very sweet. None of the shehzadas would ever do anything without Yusuf bs' blessing. Burhanuddin Mola was simply a figure head for them - the real power lay in Yusuf bs. Anyone who experienced him can confirm this - no further need to elaborate.

Now, another bombshell. It was the "khushi" of Burhanuddin Mola that Saifiyah bs (daughter of SKQ) get married to Mufaddal bs. Note my word "khushi" here. But Yusuf bs' daughter, Johra bs, made such a ruckus that Mufaddal bs had to break it off. So much for using "khushi" for your own convenience. And you can fill in the blanks after this as to what happened.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:52 pm

Br Haqniwaat
Can you also put a family tree so one can relate to progeny at the Saify mahal as well can relate to Napotism in Dai's family

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Unread post by abde53 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:54 pm

We had been asking why Sydena Burhanuddin Moula never talked about his mother? Can you shed some light on it too. Who was she and why no mention about her

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:25 pm

The Four Aisaheba of Syedna Taher Saifuddin & Their Children

(1) Husaina Aisaheba passed away when SMB was very young; he was then brought up by Fatema Aisaheba.
-- Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.
-- Asma bs* (married to Taher bs) - son Moiz bs on SKQ side - Mohyuddin family (not to be confused with Huzaifa bs Mohyuddin, son of SMB).
-- Husain bs - sons: Abeezar, Abi Ali, Abil Fazl (die-hard Egyptian mufaddali), Abi Tameem, Abdo Abi Talib, Taher - very large Husamuddin family.

(2) Wazira Aisaheba
-- Tayyeb bs* - sons: Turab (USA king), Khidar, Behlul (new USA king), Adnan, Mudreka, Joon, Mustali; daughters insignificant - very large Zakiuddin family.
-- Ismail bs* - sons: Quresh, Murtaza, Shamoil - Shehabuddin family.

(3) Fatema Aisaheba
-- Yusuf bs* - sons: Juzar, infamous Badrul Jamali, Saeedul Khair, Koserali; daughters: Johratus Sharaf, Mariya - large Najmuddin family.
-- Qasim bs - sons: infamous Taha, Mukarram - Hakimuddin family.
-- Ali Asghar bs - no children - Kalimuddin family.
-- Maryam bs* (married to Yahya bs) - Ezzuddin family (not to be confused with Qaid Johar bs Ezzuddin) - grandmother of Taizoon.
-- Khadija bs* (married to Dawood bs) - sons: Mudar (Surat aamil), Luwai (Egyptian die-hard mufaddali) - Jamaluddin family (not to be confused with Ammar bs Jamaluddin, son of SMB).
-- Shere Banu bs (married to Dr. Idris bs) - daughter Johratul Majd married to Idris bs (son of SMB) - Zainuddin family - London.

(4) Amena Aisaheba
-- Hatim bs* - daughters married to Qusai bs (son of SMB), Ammar bs (son of SMB) and Abdeali bs (son of SKQ) - Hamiduddin family - Oxford, England.
-- Shabbir bs - daughters married to Mufaddal bs' son and Qaid Johar bs' son - Nooruddin family.
-- Abbas bs - sons: Najmuddin (ran away a long time ago after Africa episode), Saifuddin (die-hard mufaddali), Moiz; daughter married to Taha Hakimuddin - Fakhruddin family.
-- Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS (wife: Busaheba Sakina Aisaheba).
-- Mohammed ul Baqir bs* - severe health issues after Africa episode; passed away several years ago; youngest son of STS - Jamaluddin family (not to be confused with Ammar bs Jamaluddin, son of SMB).

* passed away.

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Unread post by abde53 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Do you or anyone knows about the story of Syedna Burhanuddin Moula's nephew or grandson who was either kidnapped or missing with lots of money.
It is a very old story and Mumbai Police never solved or were paid off to shut the case.

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Unread post by Biradar » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:17 pm

haqniwaat: Can you elaborate on "Africa Episode" in detail? There seems to be no coherent story about this and it seems to be the central turning point in this schism.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:41 pm

Amena Aisaheba (continued)

-- Amatuz Zehra bs* (married to Abdul Husain bs*) - daughters: Durriya, Lulua, Jumana.
-- Shirin bs (married to Hashim bs (son of Syedi Saleh bs) - sons: Mustafa (lawyer), Qaizaar.
-- Zainab bs (married to Abdul Qadir bs*) - sons: Lamak, Ma'ad; daughters: Durrat (married to infamous Saeed ul Khair), Hawra.
-- Fatema tus Sugra bs (married to Zoeb bs) - sons: Ubai, Al Azhar, Al Aqmar.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:47 pm

Biradar wrote:haqniwaat: Can you elaborate on "Africa Episode" in detail? There seems to be no coherent story about this and it seems to be the central turning point in this schism.
There actually was no episode - the only episode was the fact that the Najmuddin family and the Hebatulla's got together and made frivolous statements about SKQ. Even though the Hebatulla's tried to deport SKQ, SMB shut the case not to create another episode like the one in STS time with the other powerful Africa family that finally quit Dawat - the Karimjee's. SKQ never mentioned it after that since SMB shut it, but the Fatema Aisaheba children created a mountain out of nothing which lead to what we see today.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:50 pm

abde53 wrote:Do you or anyone knows about the story of Syedna Burhanuddin Moula's nephew or grandson who was either kidnapped or missing with lots of money.
It is a very old story and Mumbai Police never solved or were paid off to shut the case.
Yes, he is the grand-nephew of Burhanuddin Mola, namely Khadija bs' grandson, Mustafa, who had his name changed to Abdul Qadir. Another Jameaite don't-know-anything-about-the-outside-world Mufaddal bs zombie.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:53 pm

abde53 wrote:We had been asking why Sydena Burhanuddin Moula never talked about his mother? Can you shed some light on it too. Who was she and why no mention about her
He never talked about his mother because Burhanuddin Mola RA was very humble - and we all know that. Also, he didn't know his mother because Husaina Aisaheba passed away when he was very young. He was brought up by Fatema Aisaheba, along with his maternal siblings, Asma bs and Husain bs (mukasir of Burhanuddin Mola).

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Unread post by alam » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:53 pm

What is the story about najmuddin (son of Abbas Bs ) who ran away after Africa episode? How old was he then? Is he living among commoners, or his whereabouts and well-being unknown?

It seems there were many more - i now recall who were the exceptions or resisters, within the Saifee mahal clan, who resisted the status quo and were shunned.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:23 pm

alam wrote:What is the story about najmuddin (son of Abbas Bs ) who ran away after Africa episode? How old was he then? Is he living among commoners, or his whereabouts and well-being unknown?
He went to the USA for college with the financial aid of Qaid Johar bs - that was his ticket out of mayhem. From then on, his whereabouts are unknown however Abbas bs still keeps in contact with him and has not shunned him as a father - which is unlike what we would expect. He has also been seen coming to Saifee Mahal to visit his father. That is the difference between the Amena Aisaheba and Fatema Aisaheba children: the former group is much more liberal with its immediate family whereas the latter is die-hard mufaddal-bs-style throw him in the fire. This reflects the character of the self-proclaimed people of highest "ikhlaas". Taizoon Shakir is a prime example of what happens to a Fatema Aisaheba child who "goes astray".

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:31 am

alam wrote:What is the story about najmuddin (son of Abbas Bs ) who ran away after Africa episode? How old was he then? Is he living among commoners, or his whereabouts and well-being unknown?

It seems there were many more - i now recall who were the exceptions or resisters, within the Saifee mahal clan, who resisted the status quo and were shunned.
I am trying to understand: Am i to infer that this guy had some integerity and conscience and that is why he "ran away"? I mean he wanted to work in the world and earn a living? Or he ran away for other reasons? If it is for the former, okay, he deserves our respect.

The bigger issue with this topic is that it makes interesting reading, and may be likely correct, but such claims being made in a forum under annoynmous names has its own limitations. How can they be verified? Bhai haqniwaat, I respect you and you are likely correct, but with an annoynums name, how can we be sure of all the above claims? By you or by anybody else. Also, how can we be sure that any of this written by anyone is not with an agenda, or, even an outright lie?

The above detailed posts do provide context for the current events in our community, and hence they are of value, I hope that every effort is made that the posts provide value, and that they do not cross that line and become gossip/gheebat.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:44 am

haqniwaat wrote:The Case Against Bombay Mumineen

For years after the wafaat of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA would perform Ashara in Mumbai. Then suddenly, something began to change. Yusuf bs Najmuddin began a campaign against the mumineen of “Bombay”. This was a campaign against Mukasir Saleh bs Safiyuddin as well. Saleh bs was quite liberal compared to Yusuf bs. In effect, Yusuf bs began lobbying the shehzadas of Burhanuddin Mola against Saleh bs. The same sort of venom that was used for Syedna Qutbuddin was - in a much more diluted form – used for Saleh bs. The claim: Saleh bs was not acting according to the “khushi” of Burhanuddin Mola.

This campaign against the well-loved Syedi Saleh bs was also a campaign against the mumineen of Mumbai. Outright and in public, Yusuf bs claimed that Mumbai mumineen’s “ikhlaas” was questionable. At one point in time, Burhanuddin Mola was in Surat; this was before Yusuf bs’ Multaqa. Yusuf bs claimed that Burhanuddin Mola was very angry at the mumineen of Bombay particularly and that he was not willing to speak to anyone! The pressure on Saleh bs was full-force. He was heard to say that I can hardly wait for that day that I can be taken away from all of these people (the family of Yusuf bs).

There was a big shake-up in Saifee Mahal and especially the family of Amena Aisaheba was a target. The claim was that Amena Aisaheba’s family especially was not fulfilling the wishes of Burhanuddin Mola. This is when the campaign for rida/topi/etc. had been launched. The climax of this campaign was Yusuf bs’ Multaqa – which transformed the Bohra community to what it is today. At the same time, Syedi Saleh bs was downgraded – for “not following the wishes” of Burhanuddin Mola, and Amena Aisaheba’s family – who was always on the forefront of education and modernism – was downgraded to the same level. The claim: Amena Aisaheba’s family did not have enough “ikhlaas” like Yusuf bs’ family (Fatema Aisaheba’s family).

Yusuf bs prepared the Multaqa in such a way that Burhanuddin Mola had to give his stamp of approval. He was left no choice. And during the campaign and before the Multaqa, Yusuf bs told all of Saifee Mahal to come to Surat and ask for “maafi” from Burhanuddin Mola because he was very angry at everyone. For the first time, there was real confusion and insecurity in all of Saifee Mahal – especially in the non-Fatema Aisaheba families – the children of Amena Aisaheba and Wazira Aisaheba. One after the other, adult and child alike, came to Burhanuddin Mola and asked for “maafi”. Most did not even know what the “maafi” was for – but they had no choice. Nobody could question the campaign and nobody could ever question the campaigner – at least not in public! From this point on, Ashara were hardly held in Mumbai.
what timeframe is this? 1980s?? More specific years? Also, what is the meaning of the word Multaqa? Finally, if the above is accurate, I don't understand that Burhanuddin Mola had no choice. He was the dai, all the others were under him. He should have said NO. The responsibility has to be assigned to him. As I think of our community, the dress code, amount of matam, ashara, and in terms of thinking - we are unrecognizable as compared to how we were 25-30 years back. If accurate, it throws some light on how things started to turn.

Giving the accelerated pace, I shudder to think how the community make look like 25 years from now.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:38 am

A Summary of the Multaqa - http://akhbar.mumineen.org/archive/shar ... i_mutlaqa/

While the Multaqa brought about changes which were positive as far as mumineen returning to Shariat, it's negative aspects were really what allowed the shehzadas, bhaisahebs, aamils, and kothar to wield enormous power. This is when the red, yellow, green safai chithi was born. This is also when the attitudes towards the not-so-religious changed drastically. Instead of bringing people into the fold by liberal and loving means as was especially the practice of Syedi Saleh bs Safiyuddin, the modern day "mafia" and gundagiri rule began. Gone was the era of little or no enforcement. In came the era of George Bush - either you're with us or against us. They gray was gone.

This new strict enforcement was too much for some in the community to handle, so they simply left the faith or became two-times-attendance - you would only see them on Aashura Day and Lailatul Qadr. Gone were the days of encouraging worldly education. Yusuf bs wrote these verses:

Ghani degree jame kidi, magar phigri (paayo) qame (ukhaarwu) kidi
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Degrees were frowned upon and only certain ones were considered good i.e. doctors. The setup was so well done that we all thought - and many still think - that the Multaqa was ordained by Burhanuddin Mola. But it was the masterpiece of Yusuf bs.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:27 am

Sidelining Burhanuddin Mola
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In his pamphlet that he published (above) - and he published many - Yusuf bs notes here the accomplishments of Jamea. At the time of publication, remember that Yusuf bs is the Rector of Jamea or Ameer ul Jamea. There are many things to note in hindsight on this page from the booklet. First, notice where Burhanuddin Mola is standing. Yusuf bs is on the right side of Nehru. Second, note how he mentions the accomplishments of Jamea - which he himself is in charge of. And on the page below, he has a photo of himself in the back of the booklet - giving the booklet as a gift - to Burhanuddin Mola.
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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:39 am

Mufaddal BS Handpicked From The Beginning

Notice here the glorification of Mufaddal bs from the very beginning by his father-in-law, and...
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notice the no-mention of the Mazoon of Imam uz Zamaan by name even though Yusuf bs had to show a photo of the mazoon (below) - be it on the back page - because remember - he was giving this booklet to Burhanuddin Mola. And you may ask: well, what were the accomplishments of mazoon saheb?! The answer is: there were many, but never publicized by Yusuf bs. Hindsight makes you think.
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Unread post by Dumbledore » Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:33 am

Interesting....too good haqniwaat ben...

We the new generation nd others will be able to know the facts.

ADmin bhai:
Please move this thread to the sticky post section..just a suggesstion otherwise your call.

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Unread post by way2go » Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:45 am

For everyone's info.....all the above details given by haqniwaat are 110% accurate! I have been a privy to the happenings in Saifee Mahal for most of my life and known about the dirty games and politics that have been going on for over 3 decades!!!
The greed for more & more money combined with a lavish lifestyle have totally moved them away from Deen. They are enjoying the worldly pleasures in this Duniya! Prayers etc are only done for 'dikhawa' to the blind followers and to fool them 'Royally'..

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:41 am

way2go wrote:For everyone's info.....all the above details given by haqniwaat are 110% accurate! I have been a privy to the happenings in Saifee Mahal for most of my life and known about the dirty games and politics that have been going on for over 3 decades!!!
The greed for more & more money combined with a lavish lifestyle have totally moved them away from Deen. They are enjoying the worldly pleasures in this Duniya! Prayers etc are only done for 'dikhawa' to the blind followers and to fool them 'Royally'..
way2go brother,
I would like to know what do you mean by worldly pleasures?
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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:13 pm

The Legacy of Burhanuddin Mola RA

The 50 years of Burhanuddin Mola RA brought about the most advancements that Dawat had seen in centuries. It was like the Imam himself had done zuhoor. From masjids to houses, mumineen around the world saw immense barakaat which was never before seen for centuries. And time and again, Burhanuddin Mola kept everyone happy. Everyone. He tried as hard as he could. But the angel that he was, the worldly restrictions were enormous. As you can see from the posts above, he tolerated the actions of many to keep harmony in Dawat. He did so with the guidance of Imam uz Zamaan, just as every Da'i before him has done. So why publicize the evils that existed in this golden era?

Why? Because we are now in a very different era. The safety net which Burhanuddin Mola provided for all of us is now a part of history. After the passing of every Da'i, the new Da'i is responsible for the faithful. But we are faced with a dilemma on who this new Da'i is. So to understand the present, we must understand the past. At the same time in the 50 years of the same golden age, there was an evil so powerful that flowed through the very veins of Dawat. So this new information makes us even more awe struck by the miracle of Burhanuddin Mola - that he provided us with a golden age in the midst of such evil.

This evil was the degradation and denunciation of the mazoon. Never before in the history of Dawat al Satr had such an evil struck with such force; and lasted so long. Imagine the months, the years, and the decades that Burhanuddin Mola's mazoon sat silent - holding tight to a secret that was only to be revealed upon the very death of the Da'i himself. How many humans could withstand such enormous pressure - from within his own family, from within his own faith, from within his own world. Burhanuddin Mola RA has provided all of us with the knowledge we require to use our "Aql" to understand what has happened. Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA says in his Philosophical Discourse:

العقل في الانسان اعلى الجوهر
متلالئ في نفسه كالازهر

Al Aql in man is the loftiest substance,
Luminous like the moon in his soul.

The moon has the capacity to receive light from the outside - the sun. In the same way, Al Aql in mankind has the capacity to receive light from the outside. However, Al Aql first has to be conditioned before the light from a Higher Source can be received. This conditioning is living and present in the misaaq itself. But in the last decades, the conditioning turned from truth to evil. The evil was the denunciation of the mazoon. Therefore, the light can no longer be received from the Higher Source - until and only when the condition is once again pure - the misaaq remembered and recounted.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:49 pm

Amaalat Or Bust

In a world where Islam itself is being challenged, we have aamils who are worldly challenged. The men of Saifee Mahal are either aamils or employed at an office in Badri Mahal. Though they believe they are in contact with the real world, they are living in a bubble ready to burst. Unable to handle the challenges of today and unable to answer the questions being asked, the reply given is to shut you up by calling you names and demoting you in your jamaat. This is not the dream of Burhanuddin Mola RA. Unfit to assist in personal and emotional crises of the faithful, unable to comprehend the issues facing our youth, and unwilling to understand the world we live in, both Mufaddal bs and his entourage of bhaisahebs in Saifee Mahal are leading the faithful on a road to nowhere.

Many of the children of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, including daughters and grandaughters, were brought up by a nanny who was Jewish. Yes, Jewish. When Israel was formed, this nanny - who so cherished Syedna Taher Saifuddin - left for what she considered her homeland and settled in a town called Ber Sheba. Today, we have Mufaddal bs in charge - who despises openly - people from other faiths, whom we consider Ahl al Kitaab. So, did Syedna Taher Saifuddin make a mistake - according to Mufaddal bs - by allowing this nanny to bring up members of Qasre Aali?! Yes, his last name may be Saifuddin, but that seems to be about the only thing Mufaddal bs seems to have in common with his grandfather. No further explanation required.

So imagine: you live in the West. You are sent an aamil from Saifee Mahal or from Jamea - who has little knowledge of the world you live in. And I know some will be ready to pounce every time Jamea is mentioned, but graduates of Jamea - according to Burhanuddin Mola's dream - were supposed to be not only highly educated in Deen but also in Duniya. Say you have a youth in crisis who is born and bread in the West. Would you take this young man or woman to an aamil for counseling?! You know the answer to this question, so no need to elaborate here.

So shouldn't it be the utmost interest of a leader to make sure that his aamils - especially if they are graduates of Jamea - be well equipped in handling modern day crises? But here, we have a leader who is bad-mouthing the West, telling people to stay away from groups, and encouraging all our youth to go to Jamea. Does he not realize that if everyone receives the same type of education, we will have a narrow-minded and narrow-versed leadership for the future? And how do we face the challenges of being minorities and Muslims in the West? In order to live in harmony in the world around us, we must first know the world around us, not shun it. This was not how Burhanuddin Mola taught us to be.

In fact, when Burhanuddin Mola RA visited the United States in 1986, in his bayaan in New York, he mentioned the importance of the Statue of Liberty and acknowledged its far reaching ethos. He even went further to admire America and the American spirit. Everywhere he went in the USA, people who met him were awestruck by his humbleness, his knowledge, and his spirituality. Yusuf bs himself was a highly educated worldly knowledgeable father-in-law of Mufaddal bs. Everyone who knew Yusuf bs can confirm his well-rounded education.

So now it's not hard to believe that nobody in Saifee Mahal is speaking up. How many of them would want to lose their amaalat and go out into the real world and work like the rest of us? How many would dare to speak up with the ever looming threat of violence from Badrul Jamali and Taha Hakimuddin - who are in charge of the Burhani Guards and Toloba?! Even Burhanuddin Mola's mukasir is afraid to speak up. We can all remember when this same mukasir vehemently tore down the zahir/batin ideology.