Discussion: Saifee Mahal Thread - Inside Stories

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by asad » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:49 am

Br. HNW,

I think it was supposed to be other way round. we would be asking questions on this thread and you will answer them. Nevertheless if you or others can find answers to these Hikmati questions we are all ears.

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by Haqq_Prevails » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:42 am

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:I also feel the same, and am sure many others.
just did not wanted to bring this sensitive topic.
but would like to know the truth, as it is alleged that KQ never prayed that marasiya.
so something definitely is fishy in this
Fulkul hussain marsiya was prayed many times in majalis and waaz presided by Syedna Qutbuddin TUS. Anyone who claims that he never prayed it is blatantly lying.

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:53 am

Haqq_Prevails wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:I also feel the same, and am sure many others.
just did not wanted to bring this sensitive topic.
but would like to know the truth, as it is alleged that KQ never prayed that marasiya.
so something definitely is fishy in this
Fulkul hussain marsiya was prayed many times in majalis and waaz presided by Syedna Qutbuddin TUS. Anyone who claims that he never prayed it is blatantly lying.
ok guys relax
i said it is alleged by MS
may be true, may not be
anyways the question asked by asad still remains valid.
did SMB himself wrote this marasiya at such an advanced stage of life?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:54 am

and now the rasa of SMB is really written by MS himself?

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Unread post by Sceptical » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:48 am

asad wrote: Br. HNW,

What is the reason behind other families not going with KQ. I dont buy the argument of all of them being corrupt and not listening to the heart when they are supposed to be knowing most about the religion. If KQ was on haq why didnt except his immediate family and these three families joined him. I am not interested in History that this has happened in the past. I am more interested in "Why" this happened now.

Even Hussain Husamuddin who used to defend KQ (might be he didnt wanted to be called a zahiri mukasir) and he was also with SMB for quite some time as Mukasir but didnt sided with KQ and was always on the side of MS since the day he was declared mansoos.

Infact whole of Qasre Aali is dieing to be seen as pro MS, if few of them had doubts they would have stayed away as neutral as its the matter of their faith but no one seems to be bothered about KQ's claim.

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:58 am

haqniwaat wrote:So the questions are:
(1) Why did SMB not declare nass in public – in this age of technology, it was the easiest thing to do. And why is the answer to this question always hikmat?
(2) Why has SKQ not gone for ziyarat? This is on the minds of thousands of people. What is the hikmat behind this?
(3) How do we know that Dawoodi Bohraism is the correct religion to begin with? What is the hikmat about this?
(4) Why has there been no miracle of SMB – which many are awaiting – to decide their fate? What is the hikmat in this?
(5) What is the real reason behind the court case – it’s been a year now. What is the hikmat in this?
(6) I know many are asking these questions in their minds but are too afraid to say them out loud. But one thing is for sure – Mufaddal bs being a da’i – there can be no hikmat in this. If he truly is the da’i, then this religion itself is questionable.
(7) We hope that the fate of Saifee Mahal is not the fate of this faith.
Answers
1. SMB was torn between betraying his father STS wishes and denying his son the inheritance to massive wealth and income .
2. Not only SMB , SKQ has not even gone for the ziyarat of his Prophet SAW and his imams or hajj since coming to power, does this not raise questions marks about his spiritual committment . What does this say. About his devotion to islamic fundamentals .
3. Have we not heard enough ....Islam is supposed to be the religion...Bohraism is an innovation.
4. SMBs cannot perform miracles , never did or could...it was publicity.
5. Court case is about inheritance of power and wealt.
6. SMS and SKQ seem to be the most competent leaders...this says a lot of the talent pool in the community.
7. Sai fee mahal needs to be depossed and turned into a community centre. The inhabitant asked to go and get real jobs, and we find other more competent and capable leaders.

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:29 am

Br OZ and Br Asad
i do not know why this sudden change in Haqniwaat and I do not really know who this person is .May be what happend to Taizoon Shakir may be happening to this person
I spoke with two different people one of them is Taizoon Shakir himself and other is some one whose family is totally divided between SMS and SKQ and have blood of STS/SMB in their veins and both have verified the stories of Saify Mahal.
But unfortunately once Taizoon got appointed as coordinator of SKQ his life has been turned upside down by SMS Goons and seems like he has no other support.
Good thing he is US Citizen and these Goons can not harm him. I did request Taizoon to join this forum but he has declined since he does not want to wash dirty laundry in public and he does not believe in giving LAANATS to his own relatives.
I even noticed Br Biradar has changed his stance once he started reading the posts on this thread. I do hope that some one else will become as brave as Haqniwaat and start answering some of the questions we all have regarding the working of Dawat and life style of Rich and Ruthless known as Qasr-e-Aaali

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by alam » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:41 pm

Haqniwaat
Please can you throw light on this if you know:
Mukasir Saheb, Syedi salehbhai saheb's two sons -
1. hashimbhai Saheb - I think that's his name - married to STS daughter shirinBs. He was a pariah in Saifee mahal, never participated in all the Bhai Saheb deals, courtship and rituals of princely kingdom. He was shunned and alienated from his family including som Mustafa.. ? Can you shed some light on this?

2. His other son qureshbhai Saheb had a falling out and remarried second time a commoner woman, lived and prayed namaaz without regard to tarteeb...? his 1st marriage was to STS granddaughter mubaraka.

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:13 pm

SBM wrote: start answering some of the questions we all have regarding the working of Dawat and life style of Rich and Ruthless known as Qasr-e-Aaali
It's not as if Qasre mawali are bad while their figure heads are faultless ! Their ruthless ness is patriarchical as they defend their livelihood and control over their livestock. I admire kothars fighting spirit. Their method is so politically , brushing shoulders with NaMo is paying dividends, sophisticated and have thrown every thing at it and remain legal so no one can accuse them in court for crime. If you ask they have won more hearts and minds too. As I stated they outgunned and outsmarted.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:59 pm

alam wrote:Mukasir Saheb, Syedi salehbhai saheb's two sons -
1. hashimbhai Saheb - I think that's his name - married to STS daughter shirinBs. He was a pariah in Saifee mahal, never participated in all the Bhai Saheb deals, courtship and rituals of princely kingdom. He was shunned and alienated from his family including som Mustafa.. ? Can you shed some light on this?
This gentleman was always far away from Kothar and its evils. There is an unwritten law in Saifee Mahal that any zaadi marrying someone away from Saifee Mahal NEVER leaves the comfort of this palace and it is her husband who has to stay with her in this palace. Hatimbhai saab refused to bow down to this diktats as being a ghar jamai was too humiliating for him. Hence he tried to put sense into his wife but she was adamant and refused to leave the comforts of Saifee Mahal due to which they both lived separately at their respective houses. Hence the man was totally heart broken and depressed and spent most of his time in Radio Club, Colaba. He had even shaved off his beard and dressed ordinarily without any saya/kurta.
alam wrote:2. His other son qureshbhai Saheb had a falling out and remarried second time a commoner woman, lived and prayed namaaz without regard to tarteeb...? his 1st marriage was to STS granddaughter mubaraka.
Qureshbhai saab was extremely powerful till such time as his father was alive and due to his heavy built he was nicknamed "Fire Brigade". He virtually ruled over Mumbai and Badri Mahal and Amils were scared of him. Soon after the demise of his father Salehbhai saab, he lost all the control and was treated like a nobody by the sons of SMB. He ultimately settled in Pardi (Gujarat) where he had a farmhouse after marrying a commoner. In his last days he was often seen in Bandra dressed in pant/shirt.

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by Biradar » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:07 pm

SBM wrote:I even noticed Br Biradar has changed his stance once he started reading the posts on this thread. I do hope that some one else will become as brave as Haqniwaat and start answering some of the questions we all have regarding the working of Dawat and life style of Rich and Ruthless known as Qasr-e-Aaali
What? When did this happen? What do you think was my stance before, and what is it now?

I find these Saifee Mahal stories amusing, but it does not change anything. All powerful organizations will have some people who want to wrest control of the community. It is human nature. I wrote about this (the overtaking of the dawaat by Yusuf Najmuddin and his brothers and nephews) extensively even before haqniwaat started this thread.

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by Saeed al Khair » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:57 am

Fulkul Husain Marsiyyah, Munajaat of lailat ul Qadr, and Marsiyyah of SMB is written by Jafar us Sadiq ibn SMS.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:
Haqq_Prevails wrote: Fulkul hussain marsiya was prayed many times in majalis and waaz presided by Syedna Qutbuddin TUS. Anyone who claims that he never prayed it is blatantly lying.
ok guys relax
i said it is alleged by MS
may be true, may not be
anyways the question asked by asad still remains valid.
did SMB himself wrote this marasiya at such an advanced stage of life?

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Unread post by dismantled » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:17 pm

A Cry For Help Never Answered
Subj: Tasleemat
Date: 98-08-02 16:14:50 EDT
To: idris@badruddin.demon.co.uk

Shehzada Saheb,

I am in very deep distress and have no one to turn to, and thought maybe you can help. I don't even know how to express what I am about to write, but I have faith in Aqamola's TUS doa mubarak, and know that he will always be with me, until and and even after my last breath. Please read this with shafaqat, as Aqamola TUS would want to see rehmat on any mumin.

Several months ago, Taher bhai Qutbuddin stayed over at our place here in Bakersfield, along with his wife. Before he came, the Aamil Saheb here, and many others from Baite Zaini made it very clear that they will not call our home, or have anything to do with us, as long as Taher bhai is at our house.

During Ashara Mubaraka in Nairobi, Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb called me in the morning one day, and asked me how things were. Then, the following day, he called me again, and told me that "since Taher bhai stayed at your house, he has probably messed up your mind and I want to clean it".

Then, he began to ask me questions like "can a mazoon receive taeed from Imam uzZamaan?" I replied "no". "Then who receives taeed?" I replied: "Aqamola". Then he said: "who will come in your qabr?" I replied: "Aqamola". Then, he began to ask me if I knew what happened with Mazoonsab. I replied that I knew a little bit, but not much. Then he began to tell me things that he said Mazoonsab had done in Africa. He told me to go and ask anyone "right here, any mumin, and they will tell you the story!" I was absolutely shocked! I replied: "I thought Aqamola TUS had said not to talk about this and that Aqamola had given maafi to Mazoonsab?" He said: "yes, but Mazoonsab still did all these things...so what if he had been given maafi, he still did these things, didn't he?!" Then, he went on to tell me what Mazoonsab had done in Udaipur, recently...how he used his hands to give salaami "like Aqamola TUS".
So the email above proves that not only did Mufaddal bs not support Taizoon but in fact, he sided with Mukarram. Mukarram - who was already backed up by his father Qasim bs. And Taizoon was all by himself, with no support from his family. A leader would have realized that he is being too harsh on a young man who already did not have any support from his family. But instead of supporting Taizoon, Mufaddal bs took Mukarram's side.

Why? Because apparently Taizoon had gotten angry at Mukarram on the phone when Mukarram told him that he won't talk to him if Taher bs stays at his house - and Taizoon told Mukarram to "go to hell". Mufaddal bs wrapped himself around these words "go to hell" and pounded Taizoon with all sorts of stuff for three consecutive days - early in the morning - before Burhanuddin Mola's waaz in Ashara.

So what Mukarram did was correct - telling Taizoon that he and all of Baite Zaini in Bakersfield will not have anything to do with Taizoon just because Taher bs was staying at his house? And Taizoon did something so horrible by getting angry and telling Mukarram to go to hell that Mufaddal bs ransacked his life and tormented him - knowing very well how much Taizoon idolized Mufaddal bs?! Yes, Taizoon had more respect for Mufaddal bs than anyone else after Burhanuddin Mola when this episode took place. But Mufaddal bs pulled the earth from under Taizoon's feet and tossed him away like trash.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:43 pm

As the thread is dedicated to Saifee Mahal, let me take the liberty to re-post an article which I had posted in 2008 as the same is relevant :-

Inside Saifee Mahal

Ever wondered what its like inside this palace of a spiritual guide who claims to be an ardent follower of Hazrat Ali a.s. At no point of time did Rasul Allah s.a.w. (Sarkar-e-qayanat) or Hazrat Ali a.s. (Shere Khuda) ever named their respective holy houses as "Mahal" or ever lived the luxurious lifestyle of a king like our present Dai.

1) Saifee Mahal is spread over acres of land and is situated in the most expensive locality of India where the going rate of an apartment is around Rs.45,000 per sq.feet and by which Saifee Mahal is valued at a minimum of Rs.1,000 crores.

2) One forgets that our country is a vibrant democracy once he enters SM because here you find a monarch (Sultan of Bohra) living with his princes (shehzadas), princesses (shehzadis) and other members who proudly call themselves "royal family". Democracy ends here and dictatorship begins.

3) The monarch resides in a palace which is a huge 3 storeyed structure wherein in one of the massive halls, he conducts baithaks, ziafats and wajebat collections. On the 1st floor there is another huge princely hall adorned by carcasses of stuffed tigers shot by the monarch which he proudly displays. The monarch's personal living room has been recently done up with water fountains. The lavish iranian carpets, priceless antiques and marble floorings are worth seeing.

4) The palace is surrounded by a sprawling garden, car parks and a small masjid. There are another few buildings near the palace and within the SM premises, out of which one building is exclusively for his sons and the others are for Mazum saab and other family members which number around 1000.

5) One of my fanatic relative had been to one of the son's apartment and he found it to be no less lavish then that of a superstar. The interior was just mind blowing and done up by a leading interior designer of Mumbai. The dining table and chairs were made of silver, the swing in the balcony had silver rods. His child played with small gold toys and had a doll house, the likes of what we see in hollywood films. He was shocked to see the wash basin as it had gold engravings on it and hold your breadth, the tap was of solid gold. The other artefacts and antiques were out of the world.The shehzadas re-do their interiors every 6 months because that is how their wives pass their time.

6) Now next to the main palace is the common kitchen which caters to the whole lot in SM. I dont need to mention the variety of food which is cooked here as it is anybody's guess. The servants on the other hand are served with dal and rice on a daily basis. Every apartment has got a minimum of one maid and one male servant. Now you can multiply that with the number of apartments that exist in the premises. Add that with the number of drivers, gardeners and watchmen. They have a professional security agency to guard their SM round the clock. The number of non bohra servants far out number the bohra servants. Now who says there is poverty among bohras ?

7) There are a few godowns which are stuffed upto the brim with costly crystal dinner sets, crystal showpieces and antiques. One of the godown is stuffed with a number of 50kg sacks of badam, pista and walnut, half of which is eaten up by ants and rodents.

8) I bet that the maximum amount of currency notes that anyone on this forum must have seen would have been a bag full of notes or a cupboard full of notes unless one is an employee of a leading bank. Here in Saifee Mahal there is a huge room full of currency notes collected from gallas of various dargahs and wajebat and other extortion amounts. I was told that there is a team of young brainwashed boys from surat which comes at regular intervals just to count the money and it takes them a few days to count the booty. The extortionists are so busy that they do not even have the time to count the money.

The above are the few observations made by my fanatic relative who is very close to one of the shehzadas and surprisingly he was not sad or ashamed on seeing the above but on the contrary he narrated these facts with a sense of pride. This is the state of our present day gullible bohras.

Now from the above mentioned facts can anyone please tell me, where are the teachings and principles of Islam and the Holy Prophet s.a.w. and where does the stereo typed slogan of the bohras' "Live like Ali a.s. and Die like Hussain a.s." fit in ?

Last but not the least, this property worth a thousand crores was gifted by Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy and these be-imaan people instead of being grateful to Sir Adamjee have on the contrary prevented the bohra coomunity from even doing his ziarat and have come out with all sorts of baseless and cooked up false allegations against him and his family. If Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy is so much disliked by them then why are they enjoying on his property ? Why dont they move out of a place which belonged to a so called daawat na dushman ?

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Unread post by allbird » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:42 am

Abuzer wrote:So mola ni khushi is just for commoners these "royals" don't give damn about it and they do what they like.
again Jazakallah for putting this in open world, may be few lives will be saved in future.

Ghar ki Murgi Daal barabar... as the saying goes. I have heard Shazadas telling people to LIE in front of Aqa Moula (RA). And amazing thing was people did what shazadas asked not fearing Moula's shaan.

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Unread post by allbird » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:05 am

alam wrote:Haqniwaat
Please can you throw light on this if you know:
Mukasir Saheb, Syedi salehbhai saheb's two sons -
1. hashimbhai Saheb - I think that's his name - married to STS daughter shirinBs. He was a pariah in Saifee mahal, never participated in all the Bhai Saheb deals, courtship and rituals of princely kingdom. He was shunned and alienated from his family including som Mustafa.. ? Can you shed some light on this?

2. His other son qureshbhai Saheb had a falling out and remarried second time a commoner woman, lived and prayed namaaz without regard to tarteeb...? his 1st marriage was to STS granddaughter mubaraka.
I personally knew Sydei Salebhai saheb saffuddin RA. He was a man of integrity and principle. Even Amils of moohalla bhendi bazaar were scared of him. He was well and truly Amil of Bombay. No amil would dare harass s any mumineen and his justice system was very fair. His only disadvantage was he operated from Badri Mahal and main power was in Saifee Mahal. His sons did try to protect his father from the oncoming slaughter from the big house but due to his advance age and growing financial empire in SM he was fighting a losing battle. Ultimately his sons payed the price after his demise, because he stepped onto too many Amils toes to protect common mumins. Now Badri Mahal belongs to those Kothari's or so called ex-Jamea grads and retired jamea teachers Mukasir is reduce to Mr nobody. I have seem people don't even stand up as sign of respect for current Mazoon and ex Mukasir Husain bhai saheb husamuddin. While SMS get picked up on Miyaana for didaar Husain BS is picked up on PLASTIC GARDEN CHAIR and transported to his waiting car. This sounds more like crockey voice old Italian mobsters story from Godfather.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:11 am

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:16 am

Bhai HNW,

Can you shed some light on where was Shezada Hozefa bhaisaheb (son of SMB) when Maula had the stroke in London [during the Cromwell Hospital Nass incident]?

Was he physically present in London?

If so, he is conspicuously absent from the nass declaration; and even if he was not present the 1st time, would he not be present the 2nd time around? Why not? How come he was not a witness to the whole event, at least the 2nd time around? [When the other Shezadas called Muffadal Bhaisaheb and Quaid Johar bhaisaheb, and they did Qadambosi, why did they also not call him if he was in London?]

Also, if one looks at the Raudatut Tahera Nass video, one can see that he is sitting there in an uninterested manner. I wish he was alive to answer the questions, but ….. we will never know that.

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Unread post by DMY » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:40 am

I think Hozefa BS died long time, before all the nass drama unfolded. He couldn't have been present at the Raudat Tahera. You are possibly referring to someone else mistakenly.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:51 am

Saeed al Khair wrote:Fulkul Husain Marsiyyah, Munajaat of lailat ul Qadr, and Marsiyyah of SMB is written by Jafar us Sadiq ibn SMS.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote: ok guys relax
i said it is alleged by MS
may be true, may not be
anyways the question asked by asad still remains valid.
did SMB himself wrote this marasiya at such an advanced stage of life?
If what is said above can be proved unquestionably, that would be another lie in the story of SMS and may damage the credibility - That they are ascribing something to Burhanuddin Moula [Fulkul Husain marasiya] that was written by somebody else. So then what else are they ascribing to Burhanuddin Moula that was made up, and/or said by other people? But hearsay will not work. One needs clear evidence.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:54 am

DMY wrote:I think Hozefa BS died long time, before all the nass drama unfolded. He couldn't have been present at the Raudat Tahera. You are possibly referring to someone else mistakenly.
London Nass was June 2011 and Raudatut Tahera was also in June 2011. Hozefa Mohiuddin BS died January 2012, and he was very much alive at those events.

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Unread post by way2go » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:19 pm

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
DMY wrote:I think Hozefa BS died long time, before all the nass drama unfolded. He couldn't have been present at the Raudat Tahera. You are possibly referring to someone else mistakenly.
London Nass was June 2011 and Raudatut Tahera was also in June 2011. Hozefa Mohiuddin BS died January 2012, and he was very much alive at those events.
Agree.... Hozefa BS expired on 16th January 2012 to be precise.

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Unread post by mufaddali53 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:00 pm


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Unread post by SBM » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:35 pm

mufaddali53 wrote:The blog has been updated - http://taizoonshakir.wordpress.com/2015 ... one-wrong/
Can anyone shed light what is the reaction of SKQ people. Can anyone from SKQ camp get a reaction from Taher BS or Dr Bazat Tahera.
I know with my short conversation with Taizoon Shakir that he is not getting support from them despite the fact that he has put his life and family in harm's way since he believes in Haq and his belief principals.
I do hope that exposing all these letters by Taizoon does not jeopardize his safety and create more complication in his already complicated life

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Unread post by mufaddali53 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:41 pm

Here's another post - http://taizoonshakir.wordpress.com/2015 ... ufaddalis/. This one is strongly opinionated!

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:37 pm

They can't touch him as long as he is in the US. Interesting that QJ tried to get him to London (and onwards to India?) - this was rumoured earlier on this forum but now he is confirming it himself. I wonder why they have submitted the Zahir-Batin stuff to court - maybe because of the Internet archive so they could not ignore it anymore?

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Unread post by Biradar » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:59 pm

A question which has bothered me: was Huzefa BS's death natural? He was relatively young, and comes from a family which has, on the average, a long life-time. SMB (RA) lived till 100, his brother Mr. Hussain Hushamuddin is in his 90s. I wonder if Huzefa BS was unable to go along with the charade and conspiracy, and was assassinated. I would not put it beyond Dawedar Mr. Muffadul Saifuddin (DMMS) and his Iblisi Toli to conspire to murder. After all, for them billions of dollars were at stake. What is a murder, if it achieves their goal of usurping the da'i's throne and control of community treasure and property?

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by khaqsaar » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:48 pm

mufaddali53 wrote:The blog has been updated - http://taizoonshakir.wordpress.com/2015 ... one-wrong/
I have heard this in bayan so searched it to find the following in Wikipedia, this is defined as retraction by Abitameem BS
"Saiyedna Haatim bin Ibraahim, in his last days, decided to do Nass on him as appoint him as the next Da’i ul-Mutlaq. He said that, ‘O my Master, I request you to do Nass on your son Saiyedna ‘Ali because he become complete and mature like me in the ‘Uloom-e-Da’wat’. He deserves the martaba (rank) of Da’i ul-Mutlaq than me because being your son is his additional quality which I don’t have. Saiyedi ‘Ali bin Mohammad al-Waleed recited the aayat of the Qur’an, “Wa olil arhaame ba’zokum oola be ba’az” which means, ‘And blood relations among each other have closer personal ties in the Decree of Allaah.’ Saiyedna Haatim bin Ibraahim accepted the request of Saiyedi ‘Ali bin Mohammad al-Waleed and did Nass on his son Saiyedna ‘Ali bin Haatim. Saiyedna Haatim praises Saiyedi ‘Ali in one of his books and says that, "Allaah Ta’aala ordered His Angels to prostrate (do Sajadah) to his Khaleefah Aadam (as) on the Earth and do his Taa’at (be obedient to him) and accept his Caliphate. It was difficult for Angels to obey the order of Allaah. But Saiyedi ‘Ali bin Mohammad al-Waleed have transcended the ranks of Angels of Allaah by putting forward his disciple, instead of himself, to the rank of Da’i ul-Mutlaq."
Apparently the next dai #5 was Syedna Ali b M. Waleed

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:35 pm

Who is Taizoon Shakir and how is he related to Smb?

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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories

#150

Unread post by Biradar » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:57 pm

khaqsaar wrote:
mufaddali53 wrote:The blog has been updated - http://taizoonshakir.wordpress.com/2015 ... one-wrong/
I have heard this in bayan so searched it to find the following in Wikipedia, this is defined as retraction by Abitameem BS
"Saiyedna Haatim bin Ibraahim, in his last days, decided to do Nass on him as appoint him as the next Da’i ul-Mutlaq. He said that, ‘O my Master, I request you to do Nass on your son Saiyedna ‘Ali because he become complete and mature like me in the ‘Uloom-e-Da’wat’. He deserves the martaba (rank) of Da’i ul-Mutlaq than me because being your son is his additional quality which I don’t have. Saiyedi ‘Ali bin Mohammad al-Waleed recited the aayat of the Qur’an, “Wa olil arhaame ba’zokum oola be ba’az” which means, ‘And blood relations among each other have closer personal ties in the Decree of Allaah.’ Saiyedna Haatim bin Ibraahim accepted the request of Saiyedi ‘Ali bin Mohammad al-Waleed and did Nass on his son Saiyedna ‘Ali bin Haatim. Saiyedna Haatim praises Saiyedi ‘Ali in one of his books and says that, "Allaah Ta’aala ordered His Angels to prostrate (do Sajadah) to his Khaleefah Aadam (as) on the Earth and do his Taa’at (be obedient to him) and accept his Caliphate. It was difficult for Angels to obey the order of Allaah. But Saiyedi ‘Ali bin Mohammad al-Waleed have transcended the ranks of Angels of Allaah by putting forward his disciple, instead of himself, to the rank of Da’i ul-Mutlaq."
Apparently the next dai #5 was Syedna Ali b M. Waleed
I have just about to comment on this myself. Good job.

In their quest to prove their conspiracy, Dawedar Mr. Muffadul Saifuddin (DMMS) has smeared even the exalted personalities of S. Hatim (3rd da'i al-mutlaq) and S. Ali bin Mohammad al-Walid (5th da'i al-mutlaq). It is clear from the above extract, that the position of the 5th da'i (Ali bin Mohmmad al-Walid) was very exhaled in the eyes of S. Hatim. It was he himself who, when he found out the intention of S. Hatim to do nass on him, told S. Hatim to appoint his (S. Hatim's) son instead.

No mental gymnastics can make this event appear like a retraction of nass! If DMMS is using this example, he is even a bigger fool than I thought initially. But, Bohras are so ignorant of their history, that they will buy any crap which DMMS will dish out to them. Shame on Bohras, and shame on DMMS!