It is time for Civil Disobedience

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S. Insaf
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It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:53 pm

It is time for Civil Disobedience
Bohra Community is a sub-sect of Islam. Hence it is a religious community.
The members of this community remained strictly adhere to the basic principles of Islam since first Bohra Dai Syedna Zoeb’s assuming the office of Dai-ul-Mutlaq in 532 Hijri till Syedna Taher Saifuddin occupied the office of Dai in 1323 Hijri, (for 800 years).
For more than eight centauries, Bohras had NOT HEARED about customs/practices/beliefs like:-
1) Raza of Dai or his appointed Amils in all religious as well as social and personal affairs of the community,
2) Unquestioned obedience to Dai in religious as well as social and personal affairs of the community,
3) Worshipping Dai like God, Sajda to Dai, Qadambosi of Dai, addressing Dai as “Aqa Maula”, “His Holiness”, “Sultan” and Dai's siblings as Shahzadas/ Shanzadis.
4) Words like Salaambandh, Jamatkharij, Baraat
5) Words like Karam, Ehsanat, Sharaf of Dai,
6) Status like STD. MKD, NKD,
7) Money-making innovations like Najwa, Wajebat, Sabeel, Drees, Ziyafat, Araz, Ikram, Tasees, Tallaqi, Nawazish,
8) Abd-e-Sayedna, Amt-e-Sayedna,
9) Dress-code and E-majat Card,
10) Selling Musallah space in masjids for namaz and selling grave space in qabrastan.
11) Misaq for being loyal to Dai and that too time and again,
These are all recent innovation by last two Dais and have been made integral part of Dawoodi Bohra Faith.


If Bohras have lived without observing these innovations for eight Hundred years and they have not gone astray, Why now?
How can any revolt against these repressive policies of Dai make one enemy of Dawat, Dai and religion?

No. Not! Certainly not.


Remember it is time for Civil-Disobedience. Come out of your comfort zone, be a true Momin (believer in Allah wa dahu la shreek).
Burn E-jamat cards in front of Masjids, burn imposed dresses for Dawoodi Bohra men and Dawoodi Bohra women and Dawoodi Bohra children.
Stop participating in Jamat's functions. Stop seeking Raza of Amil for all your personal, social and religious matters.
Stop giving respect to Amils, Saheb-e-Dawat, so-called Shahzadas, Shahzadis and Bhaisahebs.
Total and uncompromising Civil Disobedience can only leberat us from undue priestly domination.

Mkenya
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by Mkenya » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:33 pm

Insaf Bhai: Where have you witnessed Bohras come out to protest. Of course, Bohra women have 'uthawe' farmans of SMS to tie rakhi on Modi, 'pur josh' attendance at airports on SMS's arrivals and 'sarghas' through towns, markaz full of Momineen on Muharram waez, Ramadhan, and so on. But sir, as far as getting even a handful Bohras to protest would result in the unleashing of Burhani guards. In the 'tawareekh' of Bohra history I doubt if one can find even one case of civil disobedience. One has to look at the efforts, and subjugation, of the leaders and their followers in the three countries of East Africa namely Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania. They were ruthlessly stubbed out not by Kothar but by devoted Abdes. They or their descendants have timidly retreated into the woodwork.

New
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by New » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:38 pm

With a due respect to Insaaf bhai, what you are proposing is nothing new to people who live in the countries like India. Giving away Dai's daman, will lead you to hell. So an additional factor has been added in the struggle. What you have proposed is too much to bite. So why not start with a simple small step, baby step. May be many have already started. Just do not go to Masjeeds as a silent bycott. This will require giving up Jaman. Some people may feel complelled to go for their reliogious faith. However, just do not go for optional things like Darees, Urus and Wahez. The first step is to loosen the grip of Muffy before breaking it.

ghulam muhammed
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:59 pm

I would like to make some more addition to S. Insaf's list :-

There was no concept of "Ruku Chithi" before the 51st Dai nor is there any mention of it in Daimul Islam.

No Dai prior to 51st Dai demanded crores of rupees to give religious sanctity to Masjids ala waqf.

No Dai sold Mohurrum vayez like how it is done now when venue is chosen based on the amount offered, the Dai does vayez only at such places whose Jamat bids the highest !!

Bohra spring
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:59 pm

I am encouraged by growing numbers of young boys and girls in there 20s who have come up to ask that Bohra practises is not Islamic , they watch YouTube , associate with Muslim friends and have stared picking the Quran and reading it and understanding the meaning.

Yes there will always be a critical mass of orthodox , but Islam is growing and harvesting true Muslims from our community. Reformism needs to help these enlightened youth to find the true path, refocus our energy to rescue the ones who want to reconvert, fighting the kothar is wasteful, discussing Muffy is wasteful. ..make him irrelevant. The power of islamic knowledge in the hands is very powerful. I personally witnessed an Amil trembling when I used the ayats to politely tease his conscious. my young convert told me madrasa teacher were left speechless when confronted by the truth or reference to Quran.

This ramadhan I have rescued 5 persons , in 30 days that is an achievement. .. what 100 reformists would achive if the rescued some too ? and next year those 500 new converts would rescue 5 each ...and the new dawaat would grow steadily. And it takes time.

Do it silently with sincerity and conviction. ..in Shallah He will support you. Step by step.Even Prophet SAW did not go after leadership, he questioned their belief system, when enough Quraysh converted the leadership was fragile.

Civil disobedience will topple the powerful, but the core belief system will remain corrupted, and the chaos instability continue. ..lessons from Arab spring.

Look at how Islamic expansion in persia , asia how they were wa successful. ..replace the leadership and ideology both...

think
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by think » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:13 am

definitely agree with bohra spring. violance is not the answer. Just like the kothar has brainwashed abdes into the wrong beliefs, we should educate our young to read the quran for themselves and decide. The truth will set them free of the evil claws of the kothar. this will stop all money pouring into the coeffers of the kothar and would be diverted to the poor and needy and orphans. goodness will then be everywhere and allahs light will shine bright.

dawedaar
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by dawedaar » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:11 pm

The problem with upbringing of desi children (be it in India or abroad) is that they are only taught to beat their peers in academics and professions. If Falan bhai's son is scoring 90%, you should score 95%. If falan bhai's son is earning 100k salary, then you should earn 110k. Desi upbringing is always relative. They are never encouraged to think freely, do whatever they want to do in life, explore the world etc. There are few exceptions but like 1 in 100 maybe. As such, desis are only concerned about earning their livelihood and practicing religion which they are fervently advised to do since their childhood in most cases. Bohras are special case where the thought process is more rigid where children are taught to always agree to what their Maula says as he can never be wrong. When they grow up, their mind is already moulded like a die hard abde. In such a scenario, forget about any change or revolution.
think wrote:definitely agree with bohra spring. violance is not the answer. Just like the kothar has brainwashed abdes into the wrong beliefs, we should educate our young to read the quran for themselves and decide. The truth will set them free of the evil claws of the kothar. this will stop all money pouring into the coeffers of the kothar and would be diverted to the poor and needy and orphans. goodness will then be everywhere and allahs light will shine bright.

confusedlady123
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by confusedlady123 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:17 pm

This should start at root level.
First things first.
Like.Tanzeem ladies and gents should not have seperate or earmarked or pehli saff.
Similarly they should also not have reserved thaal space.
For this to happen people praying at the masjid should speak up.
Or better still if there is place in their saff and they call people to fill in ...one should not go let their saff remain empty.
Namaaz qubool karwu is in Allah's hand.
Then next if qasre people come to ur masjid dont hover around them. Leave them alone.
Let them find place for themselves.
In this manner there are many things one can do at masjid level....things will start looking up maybe in the near future .InshaAllah! !

SBM
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:28 pm

Then next if qasre people come to ur masjid dont hover around them. Leave them alone.
This may be the best start. stop giving importance to Aamil's family as well as leave alone all the Goons, that should be easy to do, just come little late or go to bathroom when they arrive.

yfm
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by yfm » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:10 pm

Why do we remember Imam Hussein and only do matam? When a poor person, or a person in need of some kind (whether he is poor or rich) remember Imam Hussein and HIS grief, feels in his heart a begging to Allah. It makes him get closer to Allah and seek Allah's help. If the only reason to remember imam hussein is to torture yourself with matam without the remembrance invoking a desire to help and do good to those who are in difficulties makes no sense. It is crying for Imam Hussein for having been killed cruelly. Surely, his sacrifices and his cruel death should have a significance in the among the bohra "elite" to strive for piety. Yet where is this piety seen among the so called pious bohras? If it is not there why should we treat them as "pious"? When you despise them and spit on them, they may know how "pious" they are.

AgnosticIndian
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:01 pm

IMO there is a deep undercurrent against MS but people are not opening up out if fear. Fear of the clergy & more importantly fear of the society. Almost all Bohras are in business and are in the market area where others are. Fear of boycott in business and fear of being cursed is there.

IMO a critical mass to make voice heard and get a change is 20-25% of the people. There are individual whatsapp groups of say 5,10,15 but they remain closed because adding anyone is fraught with "danger". If the groups somehow join and become larger, I am sure a critical mass can be reached where people become confident that they have enough people thinking how they think and this might put things into motion against MS.

The best case scenario as far as I am concerned is early death for both the claimants without any declared successor which will throw everything in further chaos and put an end to this cult. May be s democratic system will then come in

New
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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by New » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:22 pm

You can not depend on some one dying or wish them dead. KQ' removal from the stage will be advantageous to Muffy. No free lunch, if you want freedom you will have to work for it.

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Re: It is time for Civil Disobedience

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Unread post by New » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:23 pm

You can not depend on some one dying or wish them dead. KQ' removal from the stage will be advantageous to Muffy. No free lunch, if you want freedom you will have to work for it.

yfm
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Re: It is time to visit our counter part TheIsmaili.org/

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Unread post by yfm » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:49 am

It is time to visit our counter part TheIsmaili.org/, and know where we are relative to our counter part. It may help us wake up.

Al-Noor
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Re: It is time to visit our counter part TheIsmaili.org/

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:03 am

yfm wrote:It is time to visit our counter part TheIsmaili.org/, and know where we are relative to our counter part. It may help us wake up.
our most elder relative is www.sunni.org and www.shia.org why not start from there to find out the truth? :wink: