Mr.Mufaddal's 'Gundagardi' On Qutbuddin's Followers.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:50 pm

SHK MOHAMEDALI RAJA

Tel: +44-7519862981. E.mail: m.abdullahbhai.52@gmail.com. Leicester, United Kingdom.

Dear Shehzada Saheb/Bhai saheb, Ba’d al-Salam al-Jameel,

I, Shk Mohammed Raja, was appointed first Wali-Mulla of London by Taher Saifuddin Mawla (RA). Burhanuddin Mawla (RA) graciously granted me Hadiyat in Surat at occasion of Zikra 2005, and before he draped a shawl over me, he put his Mubarak hand on my shoulder, and said : “tame Dawaat ni khidmat kidhi che, karo cho, ane karso”. My daughter’s Nikah was prayed by Burhanuddin Mawla (RA) in Saifee Masjid, Mumbai, to Shehzada Hussein bhaisaab bin Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb (TUS) during historic 100th Milad celebrations.

I would like to convey to you the following :

I want to tell the truth regarding what happened in Dubai last year in December 2014, during Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s visit there. A photo of me and wife Tasneem seemingly bowing before Shehzada Mufaddal was taken and circulated worldwide by his group almost as if we were a “trophy” with accompanying messages such as “Hussein Qutbuddin’s sasra and saasu give misaq to Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin.

Since that time and until a month ago, my wife and I were living under constant fear of Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s group, but now no more. Now I want to relate my story and the truth about the despicable actions of this group, and the threat and fear tactics that they used in order to force me and my wife into pledging loyalty to Shehzada Saifuddin :

• Syedna Qutbuddin (TUS) had kindly appointed me Wali-Mulla of UK after the wafaat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA). I had also taken the first misaaq for Syedna Qutbuddin (TUS) on 4th Rabiul Aakhar 1435 H/4 February 2014.

• In December 2014, a few days before Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin arrived in Dubai, I received a call from my pregnant daughter Alifya’s husband Murtuza Tambawala- they are both settled in Dubai - that she was critically ill and that we should come to Dubai immediately. Without a second thought, we rushed to the airport and caught the earliest available flight to Dubai.

• It is only after we arrived in Dubai that we found out that this was a complete hoax: our pregnant daughter was fine, and her husband had told us an utter lie to get us there unsuspecting of what was about to happen. Soon after arriving I found out that he was advised, encouraged and closely directed by Dubai’s Amil Kinana, Kauserali bin Shehzada Yusuf bhai sahib Najmuddin, Shehzada Idris Badruddin and other members within Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s close group of functionaries.

WE WERE BLATANTLY TOLD THAT IF WE WANTED TO KEEP CONTACT WITH ALIFYA AND IF WE WANTED TO HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH HER FUTURE BABY, WE WOULD HAVE TO PLEDGE COMPLETE ALLEGIANCE TO SHEHZADA MUFADDAL SAIFUDDIN. While being bullied and blackmailed in this inhuman manner , and surrounded by self-confessed “gundas” (See below), I felt I had no choice but to succumb to the coercion and outwardly comply. I was mentally broken down, emotionally tortured and numb with fear, despair and agony.

• For three days, I was taken to the office of the Amil of Dubai where he endlessly proclaimed that Mufaddal Bhaisaheb was right while using the vilest language towards Qutbuddin Mawla (TUS) and his children. I was sternly warned not to argue back: only ‘HA MA HA MILAWJO”. After hearing over 15 hours of Mufaddali propaganda, I can say that I have emerged even stronger in my faith in the truthfulness of Qutbuddin Mawla (TUS) and the falsity of Mufaddal Bhaisaheb’s claims.

• Thereafter, the Mufaddali group instructed my daughter’s husband that we should have no access to Wifi or 3G at home, and our phones be inspected everyday to see whether we had contacted anyone against “farman”.

• On Chehlum day 1436 H/12 December 2014, I was taken to the waaz of Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, and was surprisingly personally given a VIP seat by the Dubai Amil alongwith other Saifee Mahal Bhaisahebs. This I interpret was done to pamper my ego, in order to highlight the ‘great benefits’ I would receive for following Mufaddal Bhaisaheb. As expected, and as he has done time and again, Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin ranted against Qutbuddin Mawla (TUS) while parts of his audience were worked up to a la’nat shouting frenzy.

• The next day after Chehlum, my wife and I were told that “Mufaddal Mawla tamne bewe ne yaad farmave che”. Under threat of not ever being allowed to see my daughter and my unborn grandchild, I was again forced to comply. I was apprehensive as I had no idea what was in store for us.

• We were taken to a warehouse where Mufaddal Bhaisaheb was going to come later for ‘qadam’. After he arrived with his brothers and brothers-in-law, we were escorted by one of their secretaries to him. It was demanded that we pronounce la'nat on Mawlana Qutbuddin (RA), which we could not do despite of all the pressure: we quickly said “Dawat na dushmano par la’nat”. Mufaddal Bhaisaheb acted as if he is oblivious to the inhuman pressure being put on us in order to get us to stand in front of him. We were ordered to bow to him, while well placed photographers happily clicked away. Although I tried to hold my emotions in check, my wife couldn’t keep herself from sobbing at the cruelty of the situation. Mufaddal Bhaisaheb then looked towards his brother-in-law Kauserali and said “You take their misaaq”. We were then escorted out.

• At this point in time, my wife and I were in a complete daze and mentally defeated. Later that day, we were taken to Kauserali, who before taking misaaq, mocked and humoured : “Mein tamaro misaaq kem law, tame toh sagla na misaaq leta tha”. After a misaaq in which we went through the motions, Kauserali warned us against leaving Shehzada Mufaddal and ‘going back’ to Syedna Qutbuddin (TUS), by threatening us in Swahili (he knew we are originally from Africa) : “mimi hiko gunda” (“Iam a gunda”), and “Mein Mombassa no gundo chhu, everyone is afraid of me, everybody knows how bad Iam…. Remember that you are now in the danger zone”. He demanded that we phone him every week and that Tasneem send him a “good morning Whatsup” everyday.

• He then told us to talk to our daughter who is married to Hussein Bhaisaheb to try to “convince her to leave him” and to talk to Shk Abdulhussein bhai Ebrahim, Hong Kong, a staunch mumin and supporter of Mawlana Qutbuddin (TUS) to come to Mufaddal Bhaisaheb.

• Finally, he said “Kei bhi araz tamne karvi hoi to mane kehjo, since I can walk directly into Mufaddal Mawla’s room, since my sister is his wife”

• After this period which felt like a nightmare, I and Tasneem returned to UK. Our regret knew no bounds as we called Shehzada Hussein Bhaisaheb and asked him to araz our maafi to Qutbuddin Mawla (TUS), and araz that we have never stopped believing him, nor have we with our hearts ever left his misaaq. Mawla with great compassion, karam and ehsan forgave us immediately.

• Iam now at a place where Iam strong and can freely relate what I have gone through in the past months at the hands of Mufaddal Bhaisaheb and his group. It is clear to me that a person wo uses lies, threats, coercion and inhuman ploys to entrap and force people into becoming/staying loyal to him cannot be the true Dai of our community. This is not how Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA) and Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) established Dawat. My question to all of you is until when will you continue “HA MA HA MILAWANU” with this group ?

Abde Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin (TUS),

Sd/-

Shk Mohammed Raja, Leicester, UK
27 Ramadan 1436 H, 13 July 2015.

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:23 pm

The image and the message that was then circulated widely as some sort of "fateh":

"Dawedar no dekro husain teni wife apna ma avi gaya
Mohammed Bhai raja and tasnem from Leicester whos daughters married to dawedaars husein is now back in misak

whatsapp message"


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Unread post by dawedaar » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:01 pm

Kothar forgot new age business policy - Everything comes with a return policy!

adna_mumin wrote:The image and the message that was then circulated widely as some sort of "fateh":

"Dawedar no dekro husain teni wife apna ma avi gaya
Mohammed Bhai raja and tasnem from Leicester whos daughters married to dawedaars husein is now back in misak

whatsapp message"


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7654&p=151848#p151847

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:33 pm

This letter that he has writen is directed towards whom? The sons of SMB and STS? Who is referred to as the Shezada-sahebs?

I hope he goes and testifies in the court of law in the Bombay High court that this is what the SMS side is doing. How can such a person be a Dai and give hidayat?

If there are further court cases related to the custody of children, I hope that this is submitted too. If this is what they do to adults, what else brain-washng can they do to impressionable children?

Given that SMS side is spreading so much hate about the other side, would the Indian state (courts) consider a different arrangement in the best interests of the children?

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Unread post by Biradar » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:45 pm

It is very likely that the children also do not want to be with Dawedar Mr. Muffadul Saifuddin. Just like this grown up man could not do much and had to humble himself in front of DMMS, the kids probably have very little choice and need to go along with the charade. My suggestion to people is to abandon this [DELETED] of DMMS and not be a silent participant in the atrocities which DMMS is perpetuating on common bohras. It is really high time that bohras grow a spine. I mean, come on. When will bohras wake up? No one is safe from this monster [DELETED] and they will go after you if you even deviate one iota from the prescribed rules. Best to leave DMMS while you can.
dal-chaval-palidu wrote:This letter that he has writen is directed towards whom? The sons of SMB and STS? Who is referred to as the Shezada-sahebs?

I hope he goes and testifies in the court of law in the Bombay High court that this is what the SMS side is doing. How can such a person be a Dai and give hidayat?

If there are further court cases related to the custody of children, I hope that this is submitted too. If this is what they do to adults, what else brain-washng can they do to impressionable children?

Given that SMS side is spreading so much hate about the other side, would the Indian state (courts) consider a different arrangement in the best interests of the children?

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Unread post by think » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:06 pm

ehat drives normal people to loot, fight, and even kill in the name of their favourite muffy,? Because it is easy to blend into a crowd wearing the same qaumi libaas, and psychology.. abdes who commit riotous acts are more likely to have rooted their identitiesin their muffy. . the simplest trigger is loyalty.afterall the term fanatic derives from the latin fanaticus denoting deep religious devotion.

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Unread post by new_james » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:28 am

Section 506 in The Indian Penal Code
Indian Penal Code
506. Punishment for criminal intimidation.—Whoever commits, the offence of criminal intimidation shall be punished with imprison­ment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine, or with both; If threat be to cause death or grievous hurt, etc.—And if the threat be to cause death or grievous hurt, or to cause the destruction of any property by fire, or to cause an offence punishable with death or 1[imprisonment for life], or with imprisonment for a term which may extend to seven years, or to impute, unchastity to a woman, shall be punished with imprison­ment of either description for a term which may extend to seven years, or with fine, or with both.

The law explicitly protects all Indian residents from threats, intimidation with severe punishment. It is our duty to bring to notice to the authorities when such people over step the boundaries of a civil society.

Below is a sample NC (non-cognizable) letter if any Bohra Community member is feeling threatened by Jamaat members IN INDIA. Once the NC is submitted at the Police station, the police will take your statement, and will also call the "accused" and take their statement. Take two copies of the letter below, and get an acknowledgement of the same on the second copy. This NC can be used later in legal proceedings.

To,
Senior Police Inspector
[Address of Police Station]


Respected Sir,

Re : Request for registering our non cognisant complaint.

I have been threatened by some of our Dawoodi Bohra community members. [give details about the threats, e.g. who gave threat, at what time, at what place. If Amil gave the threat, please mention his name]. I request that me and my family get adequate security and protection by the Police and the Police should question and take the statement of the accused mentioned in this letter.

Residence Address
[Write your residential address and contact number]

Office Address
[Write your office address]


Kindly register our NC and oblige.




Sincerely,


[Put your name and sign above]

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Unread post by new_james » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:29 am

if people are being threatened in other countries, please mention on this forum

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:57 am

urgent request. Can someone please post the Idd day broadcast video by SMS or send by PM. Phone quality is ok as long as audio is audible.

Brothers GM or SBM please help if you can .

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:00 am

^
Br Oz
I am sorry but I have stopped going to all those but I know where you are going with this and I do hope some one can provide the link

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Unread post by dawedaar » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:41 am

I had emailed Shk Mohammed Raja on the email given in that letter and he replied by swearing in Allah's name and Quran pak that whatever written in that letter is true to the last word. Now, this is serious.

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:47 am

why does not Shk Raja speak about intimidation and coercion by Muffadal Saifuddin and group on him on social media like youtube etc,

If he has accepted SKQ saheb with all his heart and would not transgress then what is the issue. If he speaks out he will help lot of disturbed minds who are still not sure who is the right one. This message is not about swearing or discriminating but plain simple truth on how these people made him bow down to him for a photo op.

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Unread post by alam » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:13 am

He already has - in his letter published on this forum.

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Unread post by new_james » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:30 am

For those who would like to complaint against injustice of the Aamils In Madhya Pradesh
http://www.mphrc.nic.in/Content/complaint.aspx

For Karnataka
http://www.kshrc.kar.nic.in/docs/Format ... 0KSHRC.pdf

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Unread post by new_james » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:36 am

This site has all the state human rights commission key personal contacts
http://nhrc.nic.in/shrc.htm

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:03 pm

ignore

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Unread post by true_bohra » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:08 am

The topic is quite interesting. However why not see the other part of it. Reformist have called it as gundagardi. Obviously if anything is against Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, they would use such absurd words but can they tell a proper word for describing the atrocities on children making them read a script and being captured on video and showing a false lie propagating there society.

Is there any word for that also???

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:13 am

true_bohra wrote:The topic is quite interesting. However why not see the other part of it. Reformist have called it as gundagardi. Obviously if anything is against Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, they would use such absurd words but can they tell a proper word for describing the atrocities on children making them read a script and being captured on video and showing a false lie propagating there society.

Is there any word for that also???
yes there is a word, its called "Self defence"

muffy is gunda because he is roaming around in the world acting directly against the basics of dawat and doing ayyashi on people money.

if abdes will know what muffy does in his bunglows in khandala, africa and surat/srilanka, they will beat him with shoes.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:58 am

If abdes will know what muffy does in his bunglows in khandala, africa and surat/srilanka, they will beat him with shoes.
And what may be those acts?
Stop innuendos unless you have some solid evidence

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:39 am

SBM wrote:
If abdes will know what muffy does in his bunglows in khandala, africa and surat/srilanka, they will beat him with shoes.
And what may be those acts?
Stop innuendos unless you have some solid evidence
luxurious zyafats and swimming pools and many other things, pictures are already been circulated on this forum, your idiocy has no limits no seriously how old are you?

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:12 am

An Noor
If these are you allegations and it has been posted here HOW COME ABDES ARE NOT BEATING HIM WITH SHOES AS YOU IMPLIED

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:16 am

I emailed Shk Mohammed Bhai Raja about why he waited so long before writing his letter to Shehzadas. This was his response:

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Salam Bhai,

For many months after returning from Dubai to Leicester, I and my wife Tasneem were under severe stress and fear because of the threats that we had received from Mufaddal Bhaisheb's group in Dubai. We were forced to attend majlises in Leicester and London where Mufaddal Bhaisaheb's amils and functionaries recited la'nat and gaalis on our beloved Mawla Qutbuddin (TUS). This was agonizing and painful. I could not believe that I had become so helpless, and I kept going more and more into depression.

In May, my pregnant daughter Alifya came to the UK and reached her delivery due date. I was previously very afraid that if I openly declare my allegiance to Qutbuddin Mawla (TUS), that Mufaddali group will punish/mentally hurt my daughter, and that that could affect her health and pregnancy.

I finally gathered enough courage about two months ago to write a Whatsapp message to Mufaddal Bhaisaheb's amil and Jamaat members in Leicester conveying that I was and have always been with Qutbuddin Mawla (TUS). In minutes I started receiving calls of gaali. The amil also called me and demanded that I come to the Markaz to sign a letter saying that I had not sent this message and that someone had hacked into my account! I refused, so after a long and vain effort to convince me, he ended the call by saying: "ok, but we know your phone was hacked so we will continue to count you with us!" They obviously didn't want my news to spread.

I felt a lot of courage after this, as I was standing up for the truth, and saw that Mufaddali people, despite all their vile language, could not hurt me.

At the beginning of Shehrullah, I decided that I had to write to Shehzadas and Bhaisahebs in Saify Mahal and Badri Mahal about my ordeal. My main motivation for this came from the fact that I had received news from some people currently living in Saify Mahal that I was being used as "an example of Mufaddal Bhaisaheb's rightfulness". I decided that I wanted to set the record straight.

I hope now you understand why it took me some time to write about this.

Kind wishes,
Mohammed Raja

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:54 am

Has Mr Raja made a police complaint about his harassment?

What he is alleging is serious , but I am surprised in UK he would feel helpless?

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:34 am

No doubt Mr Raja is quite courageous man good work....

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Unread post by allbird » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:43 am

="ghulam muhammed"]SHK MOHAMEDALI RAJA

Tel: +44-7519862981. E.mail: m.abdullahbhai.52@gmail.com. Leicester, United Kingdom.

Dear Shehzada Saheb/Bhai saheb, Ba’d al-Salam al-Jameel,


• Iam now at a place where Iam strong and can freely relate what I have gone through in the past months at the hands of Mufaddal Bhaisaheb and his group. It is clear to me that a person wo uses lies, threats, coercion and inhuman ploys to entrap and force people into becoming/staying loyal to him cannot be the true Dai of our community. This is not how Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA) and Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) established Dawat. My question to all of you is until when will you continue “HA MA HA MILAWANU” with this group ?

Abde Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin (TUS),

Sd/-
Shk Mohammed Raja, Leicester, UK
27 Ramadan 1436 H, 13 July 2015.
(part of the letter is deleted by Moderators due to repetitious)

If such big personality are coerced into conversion, how can small middle class person can fight against this tyrants of Saifee Mahal. This dawat is doomed. Aqa Moula (RA) made mistakes, he choose wrongly. For me SMS and SKQ they are both frauds. Or unless IMAM himself decides its now right time to make appearance.

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:23 pm

James' reaction to the Mohammeed Raja revelations has been revealing of the desperation that MS minions feel. At first it was:

"Oh Shk Mohammed Raja is still with MS and this is all an SKQ propaganda. "

When proved otherwise, he flailed and said,

"Look at Mohammed Raja's hypocrisy! He gave misaq and then went back!"

James you fool. How can misaq under coercion be a misaq? Was Moulana Ali AS a hypocrite for giving Bayat to Abu Bakar? For a Jamea graduate you are pretty dumb.

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:05 am

^Actually all jamea graduates are dumb.....they get degree in dumbness.:lol:

amazingly I also had cleared jamia entrance test when I was young child due to my mom willingness for me to join jamia but my dad was not really happy with jamiya degree and he didn't let me joined and now I thank him for this stand. my dad said read Quran with translations and read to understand it and not just for the sake of sawab, encouragement from my dad in my young life helped me to understand Islam in depth and now I am far above abdes who do nothing with understanding. strong headed father in positivity is blessings from ALLAH.

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:53 am

To all people with a Reasoning mind and a truthful conscious...
Its OK to read all the different kind of arguments the abdes(Saif53, James , Adam etc..) of DMBS put out on this Forum(where freedom of speech is practiced) and other Dawat controlled websites/blogs(where freedom of speech is not practiced).

But one should keep in mind one thing always, that ,our ancestors were mumin and have followed the principles of shariat of Rasullullah (SW) and moulana ALi .
They gave us good upbringing and we are proud that our conscious are clear due to the right virtues passed down to us by our ancestors.
Hence no matter what our eyes see or have seen and what our ears have heard, but if our conscious is not agreeing to it (like the coercion and threats and high handedness) , then we need to realize that something is definitely wrong .

It is a well known fact that many people in early Islam did not just convert to islam because they heard Quran or feared the islamic armies...majority of people were attracted to the noble virtues of Rasullulah(SW) and the person that he was…..no wonder then that even at a young age the tribes of Arabia told him to decide as to who would put the Hajaru-l-Aswad (Black Stone) in the Kaaba...because they trusted him.

Now ask yourselves, do you even see even the slightest of such noble qualities in DMBS?.....here we cant even have a small community agree to his ridiculous demands.
Would you have ever followed a person like DMBS in those times if he was out proclaiming that he would lead you to jannat?

Just because he is son of Syedna Burhanuddin(RA), does not make him a sure-shot leader to take us to heaven….he simply does not portray any divinity in him.

Even for people who believe that Nass was done on him , they still can't get their heads around the fact that how can such a person with such anger management issues , low beliefs in secular education , and constant threat to his own followers about doling out money in order to gain jannat, be the Dai?

Well let me rewind back and refresh the past….we all know that even moulana ALi had to pray namaz behind the (1,2,3) when he was doing takiyat...
Now think for a moment that if we were in those times and we would have seen with our own eyes that Moulana Ali himself prayed behind them, would we be following the 3? ...Obviously not !!!
Because we have sense and understanding that those 3 never had the qualities of a true leader , and that it was quite obvious that Allah would never ever want his followers to have a leader with such inhumane qualities..

Similarly, being believers in Allahs mercifulness, how can we assume that DMBS (with all his nonsensical rants and fear mongering about Allah's wrath) be the right leader who will take us to imam and jannat?

In essence, do not always believe what your eyes have seen and ears have heard...but rather believe what you true conscious tells you.
Peace be upon us all


DMBS=Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb