Moharrum and Ashara 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:00 pm

FMB is a success in US where cooking food is considered hassle. People prefer to take FMB, especially people in which both man and wife are working. Also, due to lack of cheap domestic help as available easily in India, females even if they are not working prefer to take dabba than to make food at home.
qjbj wrote:"how can you say FMB is dying as far as I understand every abde is taking dabba? do you have some more information about it?"

Many adbes who are taking it is because its not by their choice. For many its because of repercussions from Amils and system. I know for sure in my jamaat almost 70% not taking it as Amil has no means to pressure anyone. The remaining 30% are because they are sheikhs and/or in jamaat committee and are bound by the system. Many of these are fed up with the thaali when they discuss in private.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:52 pm

New wrote:Thanks brother DCP, for your comments. To me it seems that people are looking for an ultimate solution. That is not going to happen. I am not in India and I do not have a Whatsup list. I request all the readers to do participate to circulate, or are we just going to talk about it? There is also education minister in each state. It is very appropriate to send a copy to him or her. Sending to media is a must otherwise Muffy knows how to buy every one.

I have nothing at stake in this. Just I do not want to see the community getting fooled. OK accept this Fatwa now and next year it may extend to 40 days and then...
Please folks who have the contacts, at least put it on this thread. Then those who want to write or pursue will write to those contacts.

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:18 am

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In open letter, the journalist says middle-class Bohras will be hit hard if they are not allowed to attend work and school for 10 days.

A reformist from the Dawoodi Bohra community has come out in the open challenging Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin's order for followers to stay at home during the 10-day mourning period for Muharram starting October 14.

Saifuddin Insaf, general secretary of the Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community, has written an open letter, suggesting use of technology and other means to help members join the prayers on mourning days without compromising their daily routine.

In his letter of August 15, Insaf has criticised the move to keep members from offices/businesses and children from schools for a long period. Earlier, the diktat sent by the Syedna Trust to every Bohra household had warned that those not following the order could face consequences.

"Janab, do you know what the majority of ordinary Bohra families will undergo when their breadwinner loses 10 days of earning to submit to your above diktat? No, because you have enormous wealth, sufficient for your ten generations to live in luxury. You don't have to earn for your daily needs, medical treatment, school or college fees, functions, marriage, burial, etc," reads the communication from Insaf, who is also the editor of Bohra Chronicle.

Insaf has urged the spiritual leader to make use of IT such as YouTube, prerecorded compact discs (CDs) to deliver sermons to the members of the community. On the one hand, the reformist's letter goes on to say, community leaders have embraced modern inventions to reach out to the members, but on the other, diktats like this are being issued to make them retrogressive. There are nearly 2.5 lakh Dawoodi Bohras in the city.

"You are taking full advantage of computers, Internet, WhatsApp, DVDs, YouTube and other devices of communication, but you are making every effort to keep the community members backward by indulging them in community kitchens and tiffin deliveries"

Insaf's open letter says that sermons can be given in a manner similar to the ones followed by other Shia Muslims (with flexible timings), and pre-recorded CDs be passed on to the members so that they can listen to them whenever possible.

"I request you to revoke your order and instead of asking mumineens to shut shop, skip offices and children to skip school, you change the timing of your sermons from 6 pm to 9 pm."

Despite many calls and messages, Raghib Qureshi, spokesperson of the community, chose not to respond.

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:02 pm

To all the mumineen,
Ek Zaroori Elaan
Please note that Saifee Hospital will remain closed for 10/12 days being Bohra hospital as per the announcement of Our Aqa Maula Mufaddal Saifuddin as no business, schools and no jobs for the 10 days of moharram as majority of management, doctors are Mumineen who has to obey the farmaan to attend sermons, or else their Jamat card will be cancelled. All Kabrastan staff also not available during that period, so no death allowed.

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Unread post by Nafisa » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:04 pm

97 years old Aamil Karachi Yusuf bin Yahya has passed an order that
"all women should be come Asharah Waez in light blue or light gray colour Rida.
The characterless Chamchas of Faize Hakimi are starting mission of order implementation, in a way that they are forwarding SMS to each community member.
People have no money even for bread and these bastards are harassing them for this "Mufaddali Muharram Festival".
O Allah! Soon send your Azaab upon the imposter "ilah al Ard" Mufaddal and his family and supporters, Aameen.

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:05 pm

I guess, just posting the link is sufficient. There is no need to post the content as well. It is more readable at the website.
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Reformist challenges Syedna’s Muharram diktat
File photo of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin delivering a sermon
Mumbai Mirror Bureau

In open letter, the journalist says middle-class Bohras will be hit hard if they are not allowed to attend work and school for 10 days.

A reformist from the Dawoodi Bohra community has come out in the open challenging Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin's order for followers to stay at home during the 10-day mourning period for Muharram starting October 14.

Saifuddin Insaf, general secretary of the Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community, has written an open letter, suggesting use of technology and other means to help members join the prayers on mourning days without compromising their daily routine.

In his letter of August 15, Insaf has criticised the move to keep members from offices/businesses and children from schools for a long period. Earlier, the diktat sent by the Syedna Trust to every Bohra household had warned that those not following the order could face consequences.

"Janab, do you know what the majority of ordinary Bohra families will undergo when their breadwinner loses 10 days of earning to submit to your above diktat? No, because you have enormous wealth, sufficient for your ten generations to live in luxury. You don't have to earn for your daily needs, medical treatment, school or college fees, functions, marriage, burial, etc," reads the communication from Insaf, who is also the editor of Bohra Chronicle.

Insaf has urged the spiritual leader to make use of IT such as YouTube, prerecorded compact discs (CDs) to deliver sermons to the members of the community. On the one hand, the reformist's letter goes on to say, community leaders have embraced modern inventions to reach out to the members, but on the other, diktats like this are being issued to make them retrogressive. There are nearly 2.5 lakh Dawoodi Bohras in the city.

"You are taking full advantage of computers, Internet, WhatsApp, DVDs, YouTube and other devices of communication, but you are making every effort to keep the community members backward by indulging them in community kitchens and tiffin deliveries"

Insaf's open letter says that sermons can be given in a manner similar to the ones followed by other Shia Muslims (with flexible timings), and pre-recorded CDs be passed on to the members so that they can listen to them whenever possible.

"I request you to revoke your order and instead of asking mumineens to shut shop, skip offices and children to skip school, you change the timing of your sermons from 6 pm to 9 pm."

Despite many calls and messages, Raghib Qureshi, spokesperson of the community, chose not to respond.

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:08 pm

1 leg in grave and even then such high handedness! Is there even an Aamil who is 97 years old?

Nafisa wrote:97 years old Aamil Karachi Yusuf bin Yahya has passed an order that
"all women should be come Asharah Waez in light blue or light gray colour Rida.
The characterless Chamchas of Faize Hakimi are starting mission of order implementation, in a way that they are forwarding SMS to each community member.
People have no money even for bread and these bastards are harassing them for this "Mufaddali Muharram Festival".
O Allah! Soon send your Azaab upon the imposter "ilah al Ard" Mufaddal and his family and supporters, Aameen.

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Unread post by Nafisa » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:10 am

Reply to Mr. Saifuddin Insaf by a paid Kuthari Agent. Kuthar circulating it widely through social media:

Dear Mr Insaf,

I had the rare encounter with spare time (unlike you, who seems to have it in unfettered abundance) on 19th August 2015 and, hence, decided to waste it by reading your so-called 'open' letter in The Mumbai Mirror to the spiritual head of the Dawoodi Bohra community, His Holiness Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS. Apart from the lurid quality of your diatribe which obviously, your accomplished ally in misdemeanours of this nature and all things ribald - The Mumbai Mirror - is renowned to have an acutely high taste for through daily practice, I was perturbed more by the 'closeness' of your letter.

Since you were attempting the rare and brave art of empathetic writing in favour of the Dawoodi Bohra community, for which you say you are so deeply concerned, shouldn't you have at least given it a genuine shot? Shouldn't you have told the Dawoodi Bohra community about the facts you were concealing regarding the time they have to spend at Muharram sermons? Or about the dastardly nature of what you were suggesting as a Muslim? Didn't you feel compelled to tell them about the hatred you nurture within you for everything the Dawoodi Bohra community and organised society at large stands for? Sigh, I thought yours was an open letter!

Hence, to conduct a systematic expose of your intellectual bankruptcy, I thought I should write you an honest, open letter. First, can you please clarify what exactly you're disgruntled about because the number of factual errors, logical flaws, level of incoherence and contradictions in your letter have the same numbing effect on the intellect as sulphuric acid on the senses. Are you upset about the way of life of the Syedna - about which you seem to have first-hand knowledge to make such audacious and unfounded accusations as 'enormous wealth, sufficient for ten generations'? This raises several serious questions - what are your sources for making such defamatory claims that are tantamount to privacy invasion? I don't know if you're aware but not only do you have no legal or moral rights to do so, it is also a glowing resume of your pastime hobbies - snooping around and stalking. It might even be termed obsessive behaviour.

What is more perplexing is how you believe paradoxes make for a coterie of intelligent thought. Maybe they do in Alice in Wonderland but not in the real world. For instance, on one hand you claim the Syedna does not have to earn for his daily needs, medical expenses, etc. Which would imply he does not have this so-called 'enormous wealth' that only you seem to be aware of. If this contradiction wasn't enough, you also claim to be well-informed about the average income levels of Dawoodi Bohra families (privacy invasion level two) and have surreptitiously hinted that the majority of the Dawoodi Bohra community is not wealthy. But if you had been truthful, you would have also mentioned in your letter that your opinion defies over 60 news reports that have appeared since 2009 across Indian television news channels and the print media where the community has been described as 'wealthy'. Even your friends at the Mumbai Mirror acknowledged this fact. This also demolishes your mirage of empathy that obeying Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin's request to attend the Muharram sermons for 9 days will adversely harm the daily earnings of the majority of the community. Along with a nod to prosperity, that entire body of reportage also described the community as 'educated, progressive, incredibly well-knit, peace-loving and entrepreneurial'.

This can lead to only two conclusions - either you believe that the Indian journalistic community is incompetent or biased or that you single-handedly have more knowledge than 60 journalistic institutions put together. Which again brings me back to my original question - who exactly are you arguing against and what do you want to say? Are you, by any chance, exasperated with the Indian media? Or is it that this web of camouflage you have created over the years through the misleading Reformist (you have done the harshest injustice to such a noble term) tag has had nothing to say at all. It is but your only defense mechanism against accepting the hollowness you harbour within and the detrimental nature of the world view you espouse?

Now, let's move to the even more shocking drought of facts in your letter. If you had, even by accident, attempted so much as a semblance of what is called research (clearly a phenomenon alien to you and your other regressive friends as is evident from your website, your endeavours and theirs for the past so many years), you would have realised some simple truths. The number of hours in a year is approximately 8765. According to the Price and Earnings Report 2012 by the respected financial services institution UBS, the global average of number of hours spent working in a year is 1915 and the Asian average is 2154. India leans towards the latter. This is after the 12 minimum days of leave mandated by the Indian government along with the 15-20 days average number of leaves a year taken by earning Indians. The 9 Muharram sermons of the Syedna last for a maximum average of 4 hours with a maximum of 8 hours on the tenth day of Ashura. This year, they stretch across 7-8 working days. That's a total of approximately 40 hours. Which amounts to only a negligible 0.4% of the whole year, a miniscule 1.8% of the working year and a paltry 8.3-11.1% of average annual paid leaves. Even if you were to take a sum total of the hours for 9 days of Muharram, it amounts to a still-negligible 2.46% of the whole year, still-miniscule 10% of the working year and a devoted-to-spirituality 37.5-50% of average annual paid leaves.

Do you seriously believe this will bring Dawoodi Bohra families into financial ruin as you've suggested? Then, as a Dawoodi Bohri, I am seriously offended about your judgments about our capabilities and intellectual and physical capacity to make a living and I demand an immediate apology. According to global market research firm GfK, the average global shopper spends US$800 a year on gifts alone during religious holidays and here Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin is inviting people to spend time away from the material world, contemplate, introspect and soulfully mourn Imam Hussain AS - a martyr who sacrificed his and his family's life for the virtues, ethics and principles that form the very edifice of humanity. Is this not an economic, financial, personal and a humano-social-cultural gain as opposed to your ludicrous argument that a Dawoodi Bohra family suffers personally and financially during Muharam?

Additionally, an HRD Ministry, Government of India Report 2012 on the state of education in the country reports that the average duration of an academic term in urban India is 180-200 days across levels of education. Non-attendance for 7 days during Muharram amounts to 3.5-3.8% of the academic year.

I am compelled to ask - are you serious about the arguments you were making Mr Insaf? Or is the venerated voice of the published media yet another place worthy of being vilified and mortified by you for your own hidden gains and heinous agendas?

Yet again, I must be quizzical - who and what exactly are you against? Are you against Dawoodi Bohris and Indians at large exercising their right to spend their holidays and leaves as they wish to? Or are you riled up about the fact that Dawoodi Bohris have leaves in the first place and you opine that they shouldn't be granted any breaks at all? Or are you piqued about the idea of spiritual well-being and a non-corporeal inclination that the community artistically balances with intellectual pursuit and commercial success?

In a committed display of your flair for thoughtlessness and the theatrical, you have also callously suggested that the sermons either be made available through DVDs or be conducted in the evenings between 6-9pm. Firstly, this reflects the derisory status you accord to the stone-rupturing sacrifice of Imam Hussain AS since you seem to allude that eulogising His life and martyrdom is mere celluloid-worthy material that can be equated with other audio-visual content; to be consumed at leisure. If this is your disposition towards arguably the most unspeakable of crimes against humanity, are you a Muslim at all (are you a timid, closet atheist hanging onto a label to avoid relinquishing covert advantages or out of an inability to divulge your true belief system?)?

Secondly, you're proposing that hardworking Dawoodi Bohris attend the Muharram sermons after a tiring day at work or a concentration-drying day at an academic institution thereby compromising both their time to de-stress as well as be unable to fully and attentively partake in the spiritual fulfillment the sermons provide. Lastly, there are reportedly 40,000-50,000 Dawoodi Bohra households across Mumbai. A DVD of acceptable quality costs approximately Rs 20. A DVD for each household implies a total cost of Rs 800,000-1,000,000? In your delusional master plan, how was this money to be arranged? Wouldn't it be more altruistic if Dawoodi Bohra families attended the sermons during the day and spent this money on providing food for others as a humble tribute to Imam Hussain's tolerance and patience as he watched everyone from his newborns to the near-departed be massacred after having been deprived of food and water for three days? They could also spend the money for charitable purposes after the sermons. But if they were at work all day and attended the sermons at night or watched them at home over DVD, where would they find time to lend a helping hand to society? Or is any form of philanthropy what you're opposed to?

Even more critically, you have also stated that the community kitchen and food delivery service undertaken by the community is a backward idea! Pray, enlighten us, are you against all forms of societal harmony and women's progress or the genius toddler within you picks initiatives based on steadfastly crafted selection criteria? The Dawoodi Bohra community kitchen model is the first of its kind to have institutionally freed women from the chores of daily cooking. I'm not surprised that a cynic and a masked oppressor like you feels this is a regressive concept. Moreover, the Dawoodi Bohra community - as stated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi - is one of the few communities in India where female literacy is nearly 100% with over 70% women making it to college. If these are the people you say are going to be "hit hard" by 7 days of missed work and academics, they and - we as a community then - must surely be genetically disadvantaged, isn't it?

A last word on your self-claimed mantle of reform. Your self-styled 'movement' has been around in the form of dissent since the early 1900s. In the past 100 years, it has managed to set up two schools and a magazine that are still in operation. That too, in one city. Most Indians haven't heard of any hospitals you and your friends have built, any initiative you may have undertaken to alleviate poverty or any encouragement you may have provided to the Dawoodi Bohra community to be dutiful citizens and contribute to the milieu they live in. Maybe it's your tendency for solitary behaviour, to renege and desert that has prevented you from doing so. Nevertheless, in 50 years of his tenure as the spiritual guide of the Dawoodi Bohra community, His Holiness Late Dr Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin pioneered the conceptualisation, visualisation and construction of 700 mosques, 137 guest houses, 52 mausoleums, 26 hospitals and sanatoriums, 50 libraries, 21 maternity homes and established 75 savings schemes. His list of accolades is too exalted for a mention alongside your hackneyed conclave. So, I beseech you, as a rare and perhaps the first gesture of truthfulness and solidarity towards the society at large, kindly renunciate your smokescreen of progressive, reformist. Please do not insult the hallowed notion of the revolutionary, don't steal from the deserved empathy of the victimised.

Mr Insaf, perhaps we will always be flummoxed about what exactly has miffed you in Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin's beckoning to the faithful to attend the 9-day Muharram sermons. However, what is manifestly clear from your 'open' letter is what you stand for and endorse - mediocrity in thought, lack of conceptual clarity, dogmas and harsh diktats based on your personal whims and fancy rather than reasoning and compassion, deprivation of people's freedom to exercise their power of choice, denying people their right to adhere to a belief system, keeping a closed mind to the concept of spirituality and, as a Muslim and human being, utter disregard and resentment for the virtues of sacrifice, justice, love, sharing, generosity and societal development. That you're a self-badged reformist can perhaps be reconciled with the fact that the world is home to hypocrites too. What is terminally bewildering, however, is that the word 'insaf' is in your name.

Recommending a name change for Mr Saifuddin Insaf
Proud to be a humble servant and follower of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS
Yousuf Rangoonwala

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:23 am

I don't know who Mr Rangoon wala is. But according to his writing and his logical arguments he seems to me high intelligent person. Problem arise when such highly intelligent person is talking without obvious logic and without ground realities. And he justifies salvary to his master. Than what I would say. We are doomed.

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Unread post by y-kuc » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:06 am

It is a lot of rambling.. with liberal use of synonyms.com or thesaurus.com maybe :P .

Intellectuals, as I have experienced, talk more of to the point without going round and round the point.

But alas.. nothing better can be expected from jamea passouts who are used to filling sheets in their exams with TASAWWURAT which is similar- off the point blabbering.

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:50 am

both the open letters are useless .. eventually abdes and bohra are going to do what they want to do. no one is going to starve to death or be that helpless and forced to attend the mikaats .. SMS camp in its usual arrogance have been passing such farmaans now and then .. these strict farmaans and muffy maula rantings on the takht is all routine for him, given his arrogant, short tempered grumpy nature. abdes are too dumbed down or dheeeth to be affected. It is a wonder, why is such a need to shout and rant about muharram attendance, when the abdes already line up in huge numbers to attend muharram's waaz, where mostly they would be dozing off, socializing, snacking, gaming and getting all spiritual with rova jevu mooh and rushing off to catch faakera jaman.

Kothar has already made muharram event such a carnival attracting zombie abdes chanting and merry making, orchestrated maatam and shahadat at drop of a hat .. the attendees will be huge .. this ranting of muffy are just another campaign to prove they are working and give some tasks to freeloading mullahs, amils and sheikhs to earn thier salaams ..

SKQ Vs SMS case in the background, SMS camp are busy dishing out some campaign or another to keep their flock in check. jo dikhta hai woh bikta hai .. SMS would be in full display of glory, pomp and fanfare ...

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:24 pm

Rangoonwala's logic is so stupid it's mind boggling. According to him and his logic, if a man eats 3 times every day for 65 years, then he should have absolutely no problem going hungry for 9 consecutive days cause that is just 0.17% of his life!!

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:35 pm

I had the rare encounter with spare time (unlike you, who seems to have it in unfettered abundance) on 19th August 2015 and, hence, decided to waste it by reading your so-called 'open' letter in The Mumbai Mirror
Still he found the time to read the letter and then write a longer boring diatribe so he is liar of not having spare time. Credibility Check :oops:

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Unread post by y-kuc » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:22 am

anajmi wrote:Rangoonwala's logic is so stupid it's mind boggling. According to him and his logic, if a man eats 3 times every day for 65 years, then he should have absolutely no problem going hungry for 9 consecutive days cause that is just 0.17% of his life!!
LOL ROFL .. 1+

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:31 am

Important point is this is just an extra "faarman" from syedna and he is trying to test his strength, as I said before if it is about Imam Hussain every momeen can leave their work not just for 10 days but for whole life, but here its not about the gham of Imam Hussain this is just power and strength show off and for this no one should leave their work even for a day.

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:35 pm

[quote="dawedaar"]I guess, just posting the link is sufficient. There is no need to post the content as well. It is more readable at the website.

Dear dawedar. I are right that I should not post same content because link is also available.
But I always post both together. Because this dawoodi bohra forum is one kind of historical document. After some times websites remove some contents. So for sake of preservation for future generations I post both. And I encourage all members to post link and content together.

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:51 pm

MUFFY'S FATWA TURNED INTO MUFFY'S PROPAGANDA BY HIS MARKETING TEAM !!

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:37 pm

Burhani Guards Ujjain ye Ashara ma Qablal Waqt Hazir thava ni and beeja mumineen ne Waaz ni majlis ma lava vaste Janab Abee Ali Bhaisaheb na nazdeek Ohbat kidi

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Ashara in Houston?

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:45 pm

Several messages are doing rounds in Bohra whatsapp circles with names and numbers of agents offering USA visa assistance across many cities. So is this all speculation and rumor mongering (a favorite abde activity during these days before the Ashara) or is Houston confirmed? Is there any activity going on in Houston. Any secret agent based in Houston here? What does your intelligence report say?

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:05 pm

watsup msg :

Forwarded as Received :

From: Shk Mohammedbhai Khurram.

Salam e Jameel:

Mumineen have by now heard the buzz of preparations going on in Houston with the ummeed that Aqa Mola TUS will do Ashara Mubaraka 1437 in Houston Inshallah. Khuda Aqa Mola TUS ne salaamat salaamat baaki raakhe ane apni umeed puri kare. Ameen.

Apan Dallas na Mumineen aaj 17 years si Aqa Mola na Qadam Mubarak Dallas ni zamen par thaai - ehna pyaasa che. We are all waiting to hear the Bushra of Aqa Mola TUS to listen to our arz and say that he is coming to Dallas. Khuda Mola TUS na vaseela si apni aa umeed jaldi puri kare. Aameen !

So Mumineen bhaio bheno ane farzando, we need to be prepared and Jamaat committee has been meeting and has started preparing for Aqa Mola's safar Mubarak to Dallas. Apni umeed che ke je Masjid nu kaam start karva nu che, that will get started by the barkat of Aqa Mola's Qadam Mubarak. That will make things easy for us and just like it happened 19 years ago, Burhanuddin Mola RA had come to Dallas and did Qadam Mubarak on the Masjid zameen and 12 years later came back to do Iftetah. Inshallah we will see this repeat with Mufaddal Mola TUS. Hamna Mufaddal Mola TUS padhaare, Masjid ma jalwa numa thaai ane apne Masjid ne expand karva ni raza aape ane dua farmaave. This is our umeed and arz to Aqa Mola TUS.

In preparation, Jamaat has decided that Ikram fund needs to be collected and a minimum unit of $5,000 per family must be given and will be put in a separate Ikram fund account. These funds will only be used for Aqa Mola's Ikram and safar to Dallas. It is important that mumineen aa rakam ada karta thaai, so that we are ready with funds needed to do araz in khidmat of Shehzada sahib DM Aqa Mola TUS ne lai ne padhaare. Besides funding for ikram, every mumin has the umeed that Aqa Mola ni Ziyafat kare, Aqa Mola kabool kare ane khush thai ne ehna haq ma Dua Mubarak farmaave. Har mumin na dil ma umeed che ke Aqa Mola ne potana ghare lai jai, Aqa Mola na Qadam Mubarak ehna ghar ma thaai. So please email me or Shk Huzaifa bhai with your neeyat of Ziyafat, Qadam or Majmue Ziyafat or any khidmat that you have umeed for. We will compile a list and do araz. Please start sending this as soon as possible.

Different committees are being organised and more information will be sent in emails as it solidifies that knowing that most mumineen would like to get involved in khidmat we will send out a google sheet for mumineen to enrol. If you have questions please do not hesitate to approach any Jamat committee members by phone or email.

Aqa MolaTUS ni Dua Mubarak si apni umeedo puri thaai che, apni duao sunai che - ye Mola TUS ne Khuda hamesha salaamat salaamat baaki raakhe - Aap ni umar sehat aneaafiyat ma daraaz ane daraaz kare - Ameen.

Abeed-e-Syedna TUS
Anjuman-e-Najmi
Dalaas.

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

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Unread post by think » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:48 pm

well, these chamchas are hired to find out public response. On one hand there is a case going on as to who is the rightful dai and on the other ghailas are being ushered like ghetas and bakras.

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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:13 pm

Drumming “Abstain from jobs and school for Moharram 9 days”

Mufaddal Mola never went to school, had no job, didn’t work late night in library, didn’t have to submit project meeting dead line, didn’t have to pay rent, didn’t had to walk shop to shop comparing price. How does he know what it means closing business or bunk the job, or not attending school is.

46thDai Syedna Abde Ali Saifuddin was an Aalim; he had banned Matam. If 46th Dai and Mufaddal Mola are following the same Imam, why one is all into Matam and other banned it. It is because Mufaddal Mola doesn’t know doing Bayan and attracting Bohras. Matam and Marasia is good time pass for him.

Please click following link and view following waez clip from Godhra. He talks of only Jaman, Matam, and not attending school, job, and business.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/2u2gze13kg5na ... m.mp4?dl=0

Asghar Vasanwala

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

#174

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:11 pm

watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :

"Ashara Mubaraka".
Apply for US visa now, early ones can avail of attractive discounts.
Call : 0567343711, 0506310251, 0563315094
.

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

#175

Unread post by dawedaar » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:11 am

While other jamaats have started extortion emails, whats happening in Houston. Did people there got any extortion emails/calls?
ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg :

Forwarded as Received :

From: Shk Mohammedbhai Khurram.

Salam e Jameel:

Mumineen have by now heard the buzz of preparations going on in Houston with the ummeed that Aqa Mola TUS will do Ashara Mubaraka 1437 in Houston Inshallah. Khuda Aqa Mola TUS ne salaamat salaamat baaki raakhe ane apni umeed puri kare. Ameen.

Apan Dallas na Mumineen aaj 17 years si Aqa Mola na Qadam Mubarak Dallas ni zamen par thaai - ehna pyaasa che. We are all waiting to hear the Bushra of Aqa Mola TUS to listen to our arz and say that he is coming to Dallas. Khuda Mola TUS na vaseela si apni aa umeed jaldi puri kare. Aameen !

So Mumineen bhaio bheno ane farzando, we need to be prepared and Jamaat committee has been meeting and has started preparing for Aqa Mola's safar Mubarak to Dallas. Apni umeed che ke je Masjid nu kaam start karva nu che, that will get started by the barkat of Aqa Mola's Qadam Mubarak. That will make things easy for us and just like it happened 19 years ago, Burhanuddin Mola RA had come to Dallas and did Qadam Mubarak on the Masjid zameen and 12 years later came back to do Iftetah. Inshallah we will see this repeat with Mufaddal Mola TUS. Hamna Mufaddal Mola TUS padhaare, Masjid ma jalwa numa thaai ane apne Masjid ne expand karva ni raza aape ane dua farmaave. This is our umeed and arz to Aqa Mola TUS.

In preparation, Jamaat has decided that Ikram fund needs to be collected and a minimum unit of $5,000 per family must be given and will be put in a separate Ikram fund account. These funds will only be used for Aqa Mola's Ikram and safar to Dallas. It is important that mumineen aa rakam ada karta thaai, so that we are ready with funds needed to do araz in khidmat of Shehzada sahib DM Aqa Mola TUS ne lai ne padhaare. Besides funding for ikram, every mumin has the umeed that Aqa Mola ni Ziyafat kare, Aqa Mola kabool kare ane khush thai ne ehna haq ma Dua Mubarak farmaave. Har mumin na dil ma umeed che ke Aqa Mola ne potana ghare lai jai, Aqa Mola na Qadam Mubarak ehna ghar ma thaai. So please email me or Shk Huzaifa bhai with your neeyat of Ziyafat, Qadam or Majmue Ziyafat or any khidmat that you have umeed for. We will compile a list and do araz. Please start sending this as soon as possible.

Different committees are being organised and more information will be sent in emails as it solidifies that knowing that most mumineen would like to get involved in khidmat we will send out a google sheet for mumineen to enrol. If you have questions please do not hesitate to approach any Jamat committee members by phone or email.

Aqa MolaTUS ni Dua Mubarak si apni umeedo puri thaai che, apni duao sunai che - ye Mola TUS ne Khuda hamesha salaamat salaamat baaki raakhe - Aap ni umar sehat aneaafiyat ma daraaz ane daraaz kare - Ameen.

Abeed-e-Syedna TUS
Anjuman-e-Najmi
Dalaas.

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

#176

Unread post by think » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:04 am

[DELETED] jahaan more money vahaan chal dey. He should do ashura in his own city which is surat. why does he make these sorrowful days of moharram a tamasha and mela and what is the sense in getting the abdes in suspense and announcing at the last moment.

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

#177

Unread post by New » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:13 pm

Guess what will happen to the Ikraam funds if Muffy does not come to Houston?

Any Intelligence report from Houston??? No there are no Intelligent abdes in Houston.

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

#178

Unread post by dawedaar » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:19 pm

As per my intelligence report from Chandu Khabris, lots of affluent abdes across the globe have already acquired or are in the process of acquiring US visa in the anticipation of SMS Ashara in Houston. The American authorities don't mind the windfall ($160 per applicant non refundable). If even 20000-30000 abdes apply for a visa(I am guessing more will be applying since their expected audience is 80,000), then the Americans are getting rich by atleast a few millions!

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

#179

Unread post by humanbeing » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:42 am

dawedaar wrote:Chandu Khabris
ha ha ha .. nice one .. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ashara in Houston?

#180

Unread post by seeker110 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:54 am

Residents of Houston will get double Lugaie. Give and give more then serve the ungrateful bunch in your homes. Watch out for the cughli khore jasoos massi.