Moharrum and Ashara 2015

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think
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by think » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:32 am

what about the thousands of dollars of cash exchanging hands in houston for ziafat, salams etc. some of the brothers are already in trouble with the law and a word of caution to the right agency may make the local abdes think twice before offering ziafats and huge salams.

Mohammad shaukat
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Houston ashara

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Unread post by Mohammad shaukat » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:34 am

Hello!
I am mohammad from Pakistan and i want to attend ashara in Houston.. Can any body help me in getting visa through houston jamat??

shabbir4u
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Re: Houston ashara

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Unread post by shabbir4u » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:44 am

USA EMBASSY OR CONTACT SHK KANDIVALI.

alam
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by alam » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:45 am

Deep deep inside nobody really believes a lot of the magic and angelic qualities of Syedna or Maula whoever that might be. Look at stuff outside our own Bohra bubble. If Dalai Lama whiffed past your shadow, you'd be in awe for a while. And then life goes on. If you had a moment of fame on TV or the president of india or USA shook hands with you - those endorphins would be kicking high for a while. Then life goes on. The quality of being awestruck is an emotional high - a stimulant, and has effects on the brain much like drugs do.
Rajneesh's disciples did the same thing. So did Charlie Mansons girls who ended up commiting horrific murders while they were in awe of their hero.

You attend bohra ashara with Maula the first time and get a high. Adrenalin kicks in. You see all your family and friends, realize you are part of something bigger, much bigger, mega BIG. You go back home feeling awe-struck. Then life goes on. Ashara returns next year. You go back for more of the high you experienced the year before. The happy awestruck hormones really get going the 2nd time around. Then you go home. Life is mundane. But just as you get used to routine and mundane another event is announced. . . And the cycle continues, except that each instance it gets more and more hard wired in your cortex and subcortex. Pretty soon before you know it you are addicted. And you begin to seek it like an addict who simply never gets enough... Some people I know, actually too many, develop a tolerance for it and need more and more exposure to these MEGA events to experience the high. The benefits and immediate rewards far outweigh the long-term damage it does to your values, ethics, and sub-cortex.

No, the abdes are not brain-dead. In fact the cortex is in super drive. When that happens, emotions and your "gut", is dismissed and ignored. Some call it Emotional Quotient or emotional regulation. Balance in life is compromised.

SBM
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Re: Houston ashara

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:49 am

Mohammad shaukat wrote:Hello!
I am mohammad from Pakistan and i want to attend ashara in Houston.. Can any body help me in getting visa through houston jamat??
Here is the contact information
Janab Aamil Saheb Sheikh Fakhruddin bhai Bhanpurawala
Darul Imarat: (281) 751-9272
Cell: (214) 914-0745

kimanumanu
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:01 pm

alam wrote: No, the abdes are not brain-dead. In fact the cortex is in super drive. When that happens, emotions and your "gut", is dismissed and ignored. Some call it Emotional Quotient or emotional regulation. Balance in life is compromised.
Very interesting angle on the perennial question of why people are so blind to continue doing the same thing over and over. The addiction theory makes sense - just look at smokers, despite all the dangers of cancer they keep at it!

qjbj
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by qjbj » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:58 pm

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dawedaar
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:03 pm

Abdes and amtes breathing, eating, drinking, dreaming and facebooking Ashara 1437. Some of them have gone insane.. Oops sorry, they are already insane! How can insane people go any more insane!
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KaizarKuwait
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by KaizarKuwait » Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:48 am

Ashara Khidmat 1437

Mukasir Dawat -
Karachi , Pakistan

Shehzada abbas bhai saab -
Mumbai

Shehzada qusai bhai saab -
london

Shehzada idris bhai saab -
surat

Shehzada ammar bhai saab -
Nagpur

Janab abde manaf -
Indore

Janab abdul taiyeb -
Ahmedabad
Above list going around on whatsapp. Any one know any other locations? Or complete list?

dawedaar
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:04 am

Heard that QJ is gonna give Houston a miss due to his rivalry with Malekul Ashter bs...

Al-Noor
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:49 am

Houston comes as surprise to me, I really thought muffy will select some indian location so he can gain more popularity among the poors, but I forgot this muffy is not about the poor's at all, he wants rich to be with him and no wonder he chose Houston which will be filled with filthy rich of community and poor wont have any access to such place.

more laa morelaa muffy more laa.

Mkenya
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by Mkenya » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:27 am

JC wrote:Imam and his stories are now part of history ............. the new rulers have moved on ............

Whatever Muffy says on the instructions of Chuster and Q Chor ............ now the new Imam is this troika ................. :D

And you can see, now abdes do not give a damn about Imam ...........!!!!!!!!!!

Labaika Ya-Dai-Allah ................ :D
How true JC.

Posters quoting "imam so and so said this and Dai so and so said this..." are
playing a broken record. Who in our priesthood cares what was said. They quote
only when it is beneficial to their agenda.

How else can they justify their resorting to legal action for authentication of their credentials,
multilayered tax levies, commercialisation of prayer space in mosques, lavish lifestyles and so
on.

Words to the effect that "Dai has the noor of Imam" are often repeated in bayaan and madeh
are a precursor to Muffy's declaration of Imamhood.

kimanumanu
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:36 am

Mkenya wrote:
Words to the effect that "Dai has the noor of Imam" are often repeated in bayaan and madeh
are a precursor to Muffy's declaration of Imamhood.
Certainly going that way - latest Ashara fasl had no mention of the Imam like previous ones.

think_for_yourself
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:38 pm

kimanumanu wrote:
Mkenya wrote:
Words to the effect that "Dai has the noor of Imam" are often repeated in bayaan and madeh
are a precursor to Muffy's declaration of Imamhood.
Certainly going that way - latest Ashara fasl had no mention of the Imam like previous ones.
That's because the fasl had come from Malikuk Chuster and not the Imam.

kimanumanu
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:16 pm

Wonder if our friend Saif53 will write a blog on that on his qutbi bohras website?

JC
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by JC » Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:24 pm

More interested in QJ and Chuster rivalry ......... is it true Chor is missing Houston?? Good omen then.

This stinking system will be brought down by an influential insider only and it will be very soon, God willing, more money and more power has its own disadvantages too, specially in a rotten family like these mawalees ...........

JC
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by JC » Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:28 pm

Muffy just returned from Karachi after huge loot ............ and now Mukasir is going, these people are even not ready to give abdes/amtes even breathing space ............. the loot again, and again, and again .............. but come to think if it, it is GOOD, very good, let these brain dead abdes and amtes at least realize what is happening ............... nobody has endless funds for these goons, inevitably and eventually they will feel the pain!! and awakening will begin .............

dawedaar
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:03 pm

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gulam_parinda
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by gulam_parinda » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:37 am

Just received via Watsapp.. so they have bribed US officials also...
Especially visas are issued for three months without interview. Mola mola muffadal mola.karam ane ahsan

KM1
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by KM1 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:56 am

gulam_parinda wrote:Just received via Watsapp.. so they have bribed US officials also...
Especially visas are issued for three months without interview. Mola mola muffadal mola.karam ane ahsan

They have not bribed any US official for Ashara

USA wants tourism and income for their own benefits

this people are just taking benefit and making money out of this event

They have opened a full fledge shop in Badri Mahal where if u want to get a visa pay 4500rs and you need to buy a ticket at their price from ITS and before going for interview to get the letter of DAWAT E HADIYAH you need to pay 100% for your ticket. what a shame on the name of Ashara this crooks are making money from visa to stay

Does ITS have any legal licence to sell tickets if it does why are they taking all this money only in cash form why faiz account are not been used to deposit money and why a new set up has been created in Badri Mahal

They have given us printed receipt of ITS but why they have not collected service Tax?

2500 tickets booked and bought before sydena s announcement so was Houston confirmed just on this commercial benefit.

Why only hotels which are in list will be provided transport not other then that.

Why do they want all our personnel details like passport, ticket and accommodation when they are not paying us a single rupeee

Is this collected to calculate our future donation

A person who had nothing 20 years ago and now he roams around in range rover owns such huge business without putting a single hour in is own business so does this Shazada s don't know anything or are they fools or involved. In short they are only interested in making money out of anything.

If you all feel something is wrong then forward this msg on whatsapp FB and all the other mean and also inform the authority to take legal action against the crooks and raid Badri mahal in the night when this illegal Session are going on.

Modi wants Black money out so why is Syedna not helping Modi in this cause?
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zinger
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by zinger » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:59 am

gulam_parinda wrote:Just received via Watsapp.. so they have bribed US officials also...
Especially visas are issued for three months without interview. Mola mola muffadal mola.karam ane ahsan

you must be exceptionally stupid to think "they" are powerful or rich or even influential enough to "bribe" US officials :roll:

humanbeing
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:21 am

There is no bribing. there must be diplomatic talks and agreements between dawat -e e hadiya and US tourism department to allow short term visit visa to facilitate these socio religious event.

abdes are happy and dancing in delight to travel to amreeka ! .. they would get the chance to tour amreeka at ashara's excuse .. ashara mubarak becomes more mubarak with this phoren trip which many abdes could dream of... muffay maula's ehsaan, karam, shanaat, far sightedness has no bounds. he has balanced deen and duniya for the abdes .. they can tour the phoren lands with rova jevu moo... after 3 hours of brain numbing self glorification and baseless guilt tripping orchestrated maatam .. abdes can enjoy some sight seeing and experience some amreekan cuisine.

muffay maula is a shallow, cheap tactic leader .. entertaining the abdes in thier own twisted imagination. FMB, lavish jamans, fancy parades, paalkhi / buggy rides, show of pomp, opulence, political contacts and as usual sweet sugary lies of ehsaan and karam keeps the abdes glued to his camp. Na Mo and Muffay are following similar flashy halo effect to fool andhey bhakts !

dawedaar
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:21 am

You guys r reading too much into this... There is no bribing whatsoever.. US officials dont give visa by taking bribes.. Look at the validity.. Its only for 3 months whereas usual validity for tourist visas is 10 years.. the abdes have got the visa by submitting a letter from badri mahal/dawat e hadiya which is a registered n official entity n hence the annotation on the visa...

alam
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by alam » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:16 am

People sitting inside Badri mahal have ample time to not only issue visas and organize miqaats for fundraising but also to congregate and come up with sound bytes with stupid messages that they then have someone circulate as whatsapp or put on this website - just another attempt by the propaganda machine to fill this forum with enough nonsense so that discussion and discourse gets squashed.

The current whatsapp message is More of the same. Notice how things were so quiet for last so many days with the So-called "reformists" "munafekeen" not having much to say - kothar and Badri mahal would much rather have extremist, Gaali galuchi nonstop kothar bashing on this forum, by their "dushman" so they plant stuff to instigate another round of useless nonsense diatribe. They need the "dushman" concept to be alive and well to serve their branding.

Ironically some forum members just don't get it and fall into the propaganda trap that in the larger scheme of things squashes discourse and healthy dialogue.

dawedaar
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:29 am

So stupid of this abde to post a pic of his visa publicly that contains personal identification information. This can easily lead to identity theft...

Are you sure, visas were issued without interview? I don't think they issues interview less visas in India where cases of visa fraud are one of the highest.
gulam_parinda wrote:Just received via Watsapp.. so they have bribed US officials also...
Especially visas are issued for three months without interview. Mola mola muffadal mola.karam ane ahsan

saminaben
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by saminaben » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:03 pm

I hear Houston is hot ground for resettlement for Bohras from all over Usa. A lot of support financial legal jobs housing is provided for newly settled mumineens. Hope this will increase the bohra population in USA and people will take advantage of immigration - certainly my family and I will look into this during this Ashara opportunity. Can anyone provide info here for us please?

dawedaar
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by dawedaar » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:14 pm

Yes, it is similar to cable, electronic companies giving away free or subsidized devices to consumers who later realize that all the fees and hidden charges to enjoy the actual services are extremely high and you are stuck with it since you already paid for the devices (Most of which have fixed period services contract that you cannot break without huge penalties)..

Similar is the case for Houston jamaat, they attract people with all such initial promises and minimal financial support but people then realize the actual jamaat expenses of Houston that are very high but by then people get so used to the Houston jamaat with majlis, jamans, shitabis and other such non stop 365/7 socializing activities that they decide to take the burden of the exorbitant expenses. The higher ups enjoy all the cream while the common people foot the bill by their income earned through hard work!
saminaben wrote:I hear Houston is hot ground for resettlement for Bohras from all over Usa. A lot of support financial legal jobs housing is provided for newly settled mumineens. Hope this will increase the bohra population in USA and people will take advantage of immigration - certainly my family and I will look into this during this Ashara opportunity. Can anyone provide info here for us please?

Dumbledore
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by Dumbledore » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:41 pm

As received from my Abde/Amtey Circle

Travel agents doing fraud. They are making mumineen book rooms very far from masjid at cheap rates. Just because it says Texas does not mean it's close to masjid. Texas is huge. (Very close to the size of entire Pakistan) Some mumineen have been trapped now they are staying 2 hours away from masjid and to come to masjid taxi will be $350 per day.. If they rent cars traffic in Houston is crazy. Please advise all your friends family to not fall under this trap. Only book via jamaat given hotels even the ones without transportation is well sought out and planned to help with driving in routes that are less traffic effected and safe.

Do not send any msgs that are travel related to any groups and make sure to pass this msg along. Most mumineen are traveling first time and specially first time to Texas and are not aware of transportation issues.

Plz forward to all groups!

Mola Mola Mufaddal Mola

objectiveobserver53
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:27 pm

Dumbledore wrote:As received from my Abde/Amtey Circle

Travel agents doing fraud. They are making mumineen book rooms very far from masjid at cheap rates. Just because it says Texas does not mean it's close to masjid. Texas is huge. (Very close to the size of entire Pakistan) Some mumineen have been trapped now they are staying 2 hours away from masjid and to come to masjid taxi will be $350 per day.. If they rent cars traffic in Houston is crazy. Please advise all your friends family to not fall under this trap. Only book via jamaat given hotels even the ones without transportation is well sought out and planned to help with driving in routes that are less traffic effected and safe.

Do not send any msgs that are travel related to any groups and make sure to pass this msg along. Most mumineen are traveling first time and specially first time to Texas and are not aware of transportation issues.

Plz forward to all groups!

Mola Mola Mufaddal Mola
Have these people not heard of Google maps?!

SBM
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Re: Ashara Oppression 2015

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:59 pm

Have these people not heard of Google maps?!
Moula has not given RAZA to look at the google maps yet.