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MOHARRAM ASHARA 1437H

Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:05 am
by askz
FARMAAN!!!!!!!!! FARMAAN!!!!!!!!
FOLLOWING FEEDBACK RECEIVED FROM GENERAL PUBLIC BY SMS AND ABDEs DURING THIS MOHARRAM(1436H) VENUE: SURAT:-
1. MUMINEEN AND MUKHLESEEN FOUND SLEEPING AND SNORING DURING NOORANI KALE-MAAT.
2. PHYSICAL BEING DETECTED IN MASJID BUT SOUL AND MIND FOCUSED ON MAWAAID.
3. ALL THE BUZURG MUMINEEN AND MUMINAAT FOUND PREFERRING CORNER PLACES IN MASJID TO SLEEP AND SNORE.
4. YOUNGSTERS FOUND DOZING DURING WAAZ.
5. ALL EYES AND ATTENTION FIXED ON SNACKS-PACKETS INSTEAD OF WAAZ AT MAGHRIB TIME ON ASHOOR DAY.
6. SMS'S RANTING AND THREATS NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
7. TEENAGERS FOUND BUSY ON PHONES AND WHATSAPP.
8. MUMENAAT BAIROs BUSY GOSSIPING ABOUT EACH OTHERS' RIDAAS.

APNA MAULA NE AA SAGLI WAATON DIL PAR GHANI BHAARI LAAGE CHE. TESI 1437H MOHARRAM MA NAVA RULES LAGU KARWA MA AOUSE.
1. WAAZ-PASSES AND SEAT ALLOCATION WILL BE ISSUED AND EVERYBODY WILL BE SEATED ACCORDING TO MIXED AGE-GROUP.
2. MAWAAID PASSES WILL BE ISSUED ONLY AFTER PASSING ORAL EXAMINATION OF THE TOPICS SPOKEN IN THE DAILY VAAZ.
3. WHIP-LASH WILL BE USED TO WAKE UP THE SLEEPING BY THE MASJID VOLUNTEERS.
4. MOTION-SENSORS AND SOUND-SENSORS WILL BE INSTALLED TO DETECT THE FIDGETY AND THE SNORING.
5. ONLY ONE SINGLE SNACK-PACKET PER PERSON WILL BE GIVEN AND NO EXTRA SNACK-PACKET WILL BE ALLOWED.
6. ONE WHO DOES NOT APPRECIATE THE DAI'S RANTING (PACCHHI SU THAI) AND DOES NOT COMPLIMENT THE BAYAAN SHALL BE BOYCOTTED FOREVER.
7. MOBILES PHONES IF BROUGHT INSIDE MASJID PREMISES SHALL BE CONFISCATED FOREVER AND AUCTIONED IN A NEW MOBILE SHOPEE OWNED BY S.M.S ON DAILY BASIS.
8. COMPULSORY UNIFORM RIDAAS WILL HAVE TO BE PURCHASED BY MUMINAAT BAIROs. THIS SHALL BE THE MANDATORY SOCIAL ATTIRE IN THE NEXT "ASHURA CELEBRATIONS."
ALL ZAAHEREIN AND ZAAKEREIN WILL GIVE MISAAQ IN WRITTEN TO THE OBEDIENCE OF ALL THE ABOVE-MENTIONED LAWS.
FROM THE OFFICE
ORDINANCE PAASED BY
ALIQADR MUFFADAL MAULA (T.U.S)

Moharrum and Ashara 2015

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:35 pm
by objectiveobserver53
Is it just me or is this Ashara mania taking on a life of it's own?! After having fight off numerous chamchas who wanted me to get up from my meal after a 17 hour roza to go and register "Hamna ne Hamnaj!" I have now started receiving calls on my cellphone during the work day to register my niyat to attend all waaz on time....

All I'd like to say to the morons is that I attended every waaz on time when it was held in the evenings. Sorry pals, can't do it in the day time. Take a hike! Switch it back to the evenings or I'll be watching the SKQ son's waaz on YouTube!

Moharrum and Ashara 2015

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:44 pm
by UnhappyBohra
Everytime they ranted "fard che" or "labbaik ya dai allah," I heard a "thak thak" sound. It was the sound of the shovel hitting the ground as Muffy dug his own grave. I will be youtubing as well bro.

Re: Moharrum and Ashara 2015

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:52 pm
by Biradar
objectiveobserver53 wrote:Is it just me or is this Ashara mania taking on a life of it's own?! After having fight off numerous chamchas who wanted me to get up from my meal after a 17 hour roza to go and register "Hamna ne Hamnaj!" I have now started receiving calls on my cellphone during the work day to register my niyat to attend all waaz on time....

All I'd like to say to the morons is that I attended every waaz on time when it was held in the evenings. Sorry pals, can't do it in the day time. Take a hike! Switch it back to the evenings or I'll be watching the SKQ son's waaz on YouTube!
It is a form of oppression. This is testing the waters for even more coercive tactics to come. Don't be fooled. Next will be pledges for this, that and other. Finally, you will be turning over your life to these monsters.

I strongly suggest you listen to the waaz of Shezada Taher BS. He is a very nice orator, and his waaz are a huge contrast to the mad rantings of Dawedar Mr. Muffadul Saifuddin. It is amazing to me that even a young man like Taher BS is a better orator and teacher than DMMS. The comparison to S. Qutbuddin, of course, is not even possible. It is the perfect manifestation of "Kahaa Raja Bhoj aur kahaa Gangu Teli". DMMS appears like a bumbling fool in front of him. A pouty 5 year old child in front of a wise sage. The very thought cracks me up.

Actually, the most amazing figure is that of S. Qutbuddin's daughter, Bazat Tahera. She really is extraordinary. A great scholar and an accomplish poet and writer herself. The very fact that S. Qutbuddin puts her front and center is a good indication of the importance of women in S. Qutbuddin's mind. In fact, his other daughters also teach sabaaks. As a comparison, SMB (RA) also had an extraordinary wife. She wrote the sahifaa which we now use daily (based on prior work). The contrast between the "Home Science, Home Science" screaming mad-man DMMS could not be more stark.

Re: Moharrum and Ashara 2015

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:27 am
by Ali qadir
Why do you choose to continue to attend the majlis and when you despise it so much @UnhappyBohra?
UnhappyBohra wrote:Everytime they ranted "fard che" or "labbaik ya dai allah," I heard a "thak thak" sound. It was the sound of the shovel hitting the ground as Muffy dug his own grave. I will be youtubing as well bro.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:49 am
by think
feeling sorry for yourself is self destructive. Indulging in self pity hinders living a full life. It wastes time , creates negative emotions and hinders your relationships.
Mumineen give aweay their power when they lack physical and emotional boundaries. A mumin needs to stand up for himself and draw a line when necessary. If the kothar is in control of your actions, then they define your success and self worth. It is important that a mumin keep track of his goals and work towards them.
Do not shy away from change. Listening to Ashura waez from another orator might just be better than Muffy's. Be brave. Take back your power. Embrace change, face your fears and train your brain for happiness and success. Do not worry about pleasing everyone.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:25 am
by Al-Noor
objectiveobserver53 wrote:Is it just me or is this Ashara mania taking on a life of it's own?! After having fight off numerous chamchas who wanted me to get up from my meal after a 17 hour roza to go and register "Hamna ne Hamnaj!" I have now started receiving calls on my cellphone during the work day to register my niyat to attend all waaz on time....

All I'd like to say to the morons is that I attended every waaz on time when it was held in the evenings. Sorry pals, can't do it in the day time. Take a hike! Switch it back to the evenings or I'll be watching the SKQ son's waaz on YouTube!
I am sorry for what you are facing just imagining how much you guys are suffering makes me nervous.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:20 pm
by dawedaar
I hope, Ashara waaz is not in Houston! (which people in US are claiming is a huge possibility) Considering, the Kothar is doing all the Niyat nautanki and ashara 9 days attendance coercion to get in as much crowd as possible to show to the world who has more support, no venue is better than Mumbai for the show off!

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:58 pm
by byculla
Not just ashara - all 3 new things Shz Mufaddal came up with have come up with coercion. It has made his followers think and believe that if they don't follow these farmaans, they are deficient in deen and their other amals (such as namaz, roza and above all walayat) are in question.

- FMB - he mentioned numerous times during ashara 1435 that really one should not have any excuse not to take thaali. One of my Abde friends (after listening to the waaz in 1435) concluded that without taking thaali one's other amals would not be accepted by Allah Subhanahu. He started defaming others in our jamaat who did other khidmat but who did not take thaali. Nothing wrong with him - but such was the impact of MS's rants against those who opted not to take thaali.
- Roti - his famous words in which he essentially said that roti making was a prerequisite for obtaining molatona Fatema AS shafa'at for mumenaat.
- Now his sermons in which he made "fareezat" to come all 9 days for ashara. Special insistence to be present before time. (as is evident by some pictures we saw with kids). For him its more important that people show up (whether by choice or force it doesn't matter) so that it satisfies his "counts" and he can brag about his attendance.

Does MS & Kothar ever realize the price people have to pay (including both average joe and khidmatguzars) to implement these whimsical "fareezat" farmaans ? Doesn't Kothar realize that any amal is really of no use unless done by heart and that anything done by force would really be of no use (either to them or to the people). For all the 3 items above (FMB, Roti and Ashara) I personally know lot of people who do these forcefully just because they genuinely believe that their other amals would not be accepted. Some do it by social pressure because they don't want to be defamed publicly (or privately).

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:03 am
by objectiveobserver53
byculla wrote:Not just ashara - all 3 new things Shz Mufaddal came up with have come up with coercion. It has made his followers think and believe that if they don't follow these farmaans, they are deficient in deen and their other amals (such as namaz, roza and above all walayat) are in question.

- FMB - he mentioned numerous times during ashara 1435 that really one should not have any excuse not to take thaali. One of my Abde friends (after listening to the waaz in 1435) concluded that without taking thaali one's other amals would not be accepted by Allah Subhanahu. He started defaming others in our jamaat who did other khidmat but who did not take thaali. Nothing wrong with him - but such was the impact of MS's rants against those who opted not to take thaali.
- Roti - his famous words in which he essentially said that roti making was a prerequisite for obtaining molatona Fatema AS shafa'at for mumenaat.
- Now his sermons in which he made "fareezat" to come all 9 days for ashara. Special insistence to be present before time. (as is evident by some pictures we saw with kids). For him its more important that people show up (whether by choice or force it doesn't matter) so that it satisfies his "counts" and he can brag about his attendance.

Does MS & Kothar ever realize the price people have to pay (including both average joe and khidmatguzars) to implement these whimsical "fareezat" farmaans ? Doesn't Kothar realize that any amal is really of no use unless done by heart and that anything done by force would really be of no use (either to them or to the people). For all the 3 items above (FMB, Roti and Ashara) I personally know lot of people who do these forcefully just because they genuinely believe that their other amals would not be accepted. Some do it by social pressure because they don't want to be defamed publicly (or privately).
Brilliant observation byculla! This whole Dawat is based on coercion. It is suffocating. I can't breathe! And I am rarely driven to melodrama but here I can't breathe! Everything is a Must do! Must attend! Fareezat che! Bullshit! The man is a impulsive and prone to whims that get eagerly enforced by his crazy followers.

It is said that Rasulullah's shariat is samha..lenient. There is a lot of room to accommodate unforeseen circumstances. But No! Not so this crazy shariat Shariat De Muffy. The manner in which it gets cast in stone, makes the Ten Commandments look like they were written in pencil on paper....

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:08 am
by think_for_yourself
^^^ Whoa whoa whoa. Calm down brother. Or you might make yourself ill and those friends of yours, because of whom you (barely!) endure Muffy, might not be around to call an ambulance!

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:55 am
by Al-Noor
Making things farizat is haraam, only those thinks which are mentioned in Quran are farizat adding any thing into this category is haraam.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:07 am
by Akhtiar Wahid
The question is that muffy is imposing fareezat tag to waazes but d fact is that few 100 years ago there was nothing like compulsory attendance for ashura sermons.
so is this invention biddat which we are seeing and Ashura is something people listen to out of love for the ahle bait and Imam Hussain AS you cannot force someone to obey for this.
I am ready to attend all 9 sermons but i would not like to be part of the statistic count would that be possible by muffy.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:06 am
by allbird
what the hell is going ON. SMS is calling for compulsory attendance for Ashara. What if you fail to come ? Does anyone know the outcome of not coming up even after Niyat Azem on ejamaat.

Are you out of the jamaat for good ?

Your elderly parents gets tortured ?

Can someone highlight the importance of all this drama ? I am sure its not to please Imam Husein (AS).

Can anyone unveil the evil plan behind this hullah-bullah

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:37 pm
by UnhappyBohra
allbird wrote:what the hell is going ON. SMS is calling for compulsory attendance for Ashara. What if you fail to come ? Does anyone know the outcome of not coming up even after Niyat Azem on ejamaat.

Are you out of the jamaat for good ?

Your elderly parents gets tortured ?

Can someone highlight the importance of all this drama ? I am sure its not to please Imam Husein (AS).

Can anyone unveil the evil plan behind this hullah-bullah
Now that there is all this fuss being made on this forum, I doubt that they would dare impose overt consequences like that. It is just the act of making this fareezat that has everyone's goat. The man MS is sick megalomaniac and has created his own shariat with fard etc. It takes the joy out of doing things as a matter of making good choices.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:42 pm
by UnhappyBohra
allbird wrote:what the hell is going ON. SMS is calling for compulsory attendance for Ashara. What if you fail to come ? Does anyone know the outcome of not coming up even after Niyat Azem on ejamaat.

Are you out of the jamaat for good ?

Your elderly parents gets tortured ?

Can someone highlight the importance of all this drama ? I am sure its not to please Imam Husein (AS).

Can anyone unveil the evil plan behind this hullah-bullah
Not sure how far it is true but someone on Whatsapp claimed that it was to show a large following for the sake of distribution of Dawat e Hadiya assets with SKQ.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:43 pm
by dawedaar
They can't do much in US or other western countries. But the die hards and their kin anywhere in the world will be pressurized to the max. The madrassah children will be made to attend compulsorily otherwise their admission could be threatened which is the worst nightmare for any abde parent. I guess, they use this tactic every time. The Mafias has iron grip on the madrassah children and will pressurize even their parents through the medium of these children. Yes, abdes in smaller cities and towns/villages (these are considerable proportion of abde population) would be forced to the max. Given their limited education and inability to think freely or make a protest, they will be made to attend compulsorily.
allbird wrote:what the hell is going ON. SMS is calling for compulsory attendance for Ashara. What if you fail to come ? Does anyone know the outcome of not coming up even after Niyat Azem on ejamaat.

Are you out of the jamaat for good ?

Your elderly parents gets tortured ?

Can someone highlight the importance of all this drama ? I am sure its not to please Imam Husein (AS).

Can anyone unveil the evil plan behind this hullah-bullah

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:41 pm
by AgnosticIndian
This time Ashara falls around Dussehra vacation time.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:08 am
by rang
All my Abdes friends and Brothers, can you make me understand one thing.

Farizat or Faraz can only be impose by the Allaha Almighty. Appox. 1400 Years back all Farizat were imposed by Allaha ST. Even Rasualallaha and Imam were not authorized to rectify the condition of faraz or add any new condition to it, so Rasauallaha imposed Sunnat through Shariat.. How can a Dai impose a new faraz. And if it was already faraz to attained imam Hussain Waiz then why not it was imposed in all these years ?

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:43 am
by Al-Noor
rang wrote:All my Abdes friends and Brothers, can you make me understand one thing.

Farizat or Faraz can only be impose by the Allaha Almighty. Appox. 1400 Years back all Farizat were imposed by Allaha ST. Even Rasualallaha and Imam were not authorized to rectify the condition of faraz or add any new condition to it, so Rasauallaha imposed Sunnat through Shariat.. How can a Dai impose a new faraz. And if it was already faraz to attained imam Hussain Waiz then why not it was imposed in all these years ?
you are correct, in fact rasulullah (s) has imposed lanat on such person who makes new halaal and haraam or faraid categories.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:51 am
by hamhyd
Al-Noor wrote:
rang wrote:All my Abdes friends and Brothers, can you make me understand one thing.

Farizat or Faraz can only be impose by the Allaha Almighty. Appox. 1400 Years back all Farizat were imposed by Allaha ST. Even Rasualallaha and Imam were not authorized to rectify the condition of faraz or add any new condition to it, so Rasauallaha imposed Sunnat through Shariat.. How can a Dai impose a new faraz. And if it was already faraz to attained imam Hussain Waiz then why not it was imposed in all these years ?
you are correct, in fact rasulullah (s) has imposed lanat on such person who makes new halaal and haraam or faraid categories.
bhai leave all this year infact if you go back to sts era waaz start from 7th moharram before sts i think only 10th waaz happen

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:08 am
by allbird
[quote="dawedaar"]They can't do much in US or other western countries. But the die hards and their kin anywhere in the world will be pressurized to the max. The madrassah children will be made to attend compulsorily otherwise their admission could be threatened which is the worst nightmare for any abde parent. I guess, they use this tactic every time. The Mafias has iron grip on the madrassah children and will pressurize even their parents through the medium of these children. Yes, abdes in smaller cities and towns/villages (these are considerable proportion of abde population) would be forced to the max. Given their limited education and inability to think freely or make a protest, they will be made to attend compulsorily.

Yes i think you are right. first step is Madrassah children's will be kicked out until a "Mafi nama" is not signed by the parents for NOT attending Ashara as dictated by MS. Total control thats what these people are after.

I short we are doomed. Either stay in the clan and keep yelling "Moula Moula Muffadal Moula"
Or walk out never to return...

What would be his dead Father Syedna Mohammand Burhanuddin (RA) would be thinking. SMS has no fear.... only Money, Money, money and more money. Moula Moula Laalchi Moula.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:12 am
by allbird
UnhappyBohra wrote:
allbird wrote:what the hell is going ON. SMS is calling for compulsory attendance for Ashara. What if you fail to come ? Does anyone know the outcome of not coming up even after Niyat Azem on ejamaat.

Are you out of the jamaat for good ?

Your elderly parents gets tortured ?

Can someone highlight the importance of all this drama ? I am sure its not to please Imam Husein (AS).

Can anyone unveil the evil plan behind this hullah-bullah
Now that there is all this fuss being made on this forum, I doubt that they would dare impose overt consequences like that. It is just the act of making this fareezat that has everyone's goat. The man MS is sick megalomaniac and has created his own shariat with fard etc. It takes the joy out of doing things as a matter of making good choices.

No my friend this no a mere FUSS, the LION is out to hunt and will do what he thinks is right because the Vahee has come direct from Gaib Imam. I am sure this Farizat has come from Gaib Imam. He is just a medium.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:17 pm
by ghulam muhammed
The 'Farizat' part could have been conveyed verbally but why to REGISTER online for it ??....... This is clearly to obtain 'Official' records of Muffy's so called fan following which will be submitted to the court in his greed to snatch the Dawat properties and not allow SKQ to have a pie of it !! Please understand the sheer logic behind making this official.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:32 pm
by ghulam muhammed
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Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:12 pm
by think
well, now it is announced ashura mubaraka would be in Tahirabaad, galiakot. about 200 mumineen from that city have come up with the request. Do you think Muffy moula galiakot na 200 mumineen ne naraaz karse ? eim kim bane, na, na ,na har giz naraaz nai kare. Ashura tu Tahirabad ma thase. fasal pake ke na pake.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:27 pm
by ghulam muhammed
watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :-

LEAVE APPLICATION FOR ASHARA

Date :

The Principal/Head Master/Dean.

Request to grant leave for my son/daughter, of the Dawoodi Bohra community for period 14th October to 22nd October 2015.

Dear Sir/Ma'am.

The Dawoodi Bohra community traces its spiritual heritage from Prophet Muhammed (SA), his heir Amirul Mumeneen (AS) and his successors the Imams. The Imams have gone into seclusion and have appointed the Dai-el-Mutlaq to lead the affairs of our community. His Holiness Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS) the 53rd Dai-el-Mutlaq is the spiritual head of our community, which is a million strong, worldwide.

Over the years we as a community have preserved our identity and culture by adhering to the tenets of our religion.

The nine days of Moharram also known as Ashara Mubaraka, commemorates the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (AS) the beloved grandson of Prophet Mohammed (SA) was martyred along with family and kinsmen in Karbala, and hence this period signifies a period of mourning and intense religious activity. Every member of the community attends a session of discourses which are held daily between 10.30 am to 2.30 pm, for all these nine days.

Every year, we the parents approach you to grant them leave during this period for these nine days, viz 14th October 2015 to 22nd October 2015. However effective absenteeism will be only for 5 days.

We assure you that these days will be utilised for the sole purpose of attending our religious sermons. We thank you for your support and trust that you will accede to our request as you have done in the previous years as well.

We will be extremely grateful for your co-operation in this matter.

Thanking you,

Parents/Guardian Name :
Name of Student (s) :
Std/Class/Div :
Roll No :

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:20 pm
by seeker110
They (school) should just close the school or have classes at night. If I observe my business like they want me to, I shall have to start a new business every year. Tech support and field repair.

Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:51 am
by Saeed al Khair
Can any sane leader give such mad type of order to close each work for 10 days?
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Re: Ashara oppression!

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:22 am
by Al-Noor
I dont have any issue for not going to work if it was all about Imam Hussain and his gam/matam.


but here story is some thing different, here this guy is more interested to show his power and how he can do what ever he wants and how he can have impact on people life. he wants to see how many rebels he has in community and finally he will try to get rid of them in every possible way, he just wants to see how many has guts to oppose his tyranny and for all this he is using Imam Hussain name and trying to show he is just calling for imam.

very interesting game he is playing here, trying to show himself pious and also trying to knock out all the rebel in the community.

moron is trying to hit two birds with single stone....but it doesn't matters his foul game will fall on his face.