Shirk & Bidaat by Dawoodi Dai,N/A in Alavi & Sulemani

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Unread post by Nafisa » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:49 pm

Short list of Shirk and Bidaat created by Dawoodi Dai Mufaddal/Khuzaima. These are not practice by Alavi and Sulaymanis. Only one Shirk is enough to lodge a case of Hadd al irtidad against Dawoodi Dai in any Muslim country. And Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the best countries for it.

Only Dawoodi Dai asks to his followers to do Sajdah before him
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to pay Khums on salary
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to do Sajdah in each shrine near the graves
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to give Ruqa in the hand of dead person in grave
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to pay 50,000 US $ for the rank of Shaikh
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to arrange his Ziyafat and pay him 100,000 US $
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to pay Kafarat az Zunub for cleaning sins, and he fix the amount as per his financial status
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to pay Qardan Hasana + Muwasat + Najwah in every Friday Salaat at Masjid(Apply only on MS)
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to compulsory pay yearly huge amount of Sabeel(for Aamil office expenses or Ayyashi) Saify Barkat (For Dai's family lavish life), Nazrul Maqam(coined by Abdeali imaduddin for pocket income of the Dai), Silat al Imam 5 times in a year (for pocket income of Dai's children)
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers not read Dawat Zahir Books without his permission, which were written by earlier Duaat for public. He sent curse on the translation of IIS, London and other institutions(Apply only on MS)
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to pray 2 Rakaat Salaat for his father and 2 Rakaat for his long life
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers no need of higher education, because it is tool of destruction (Apply only on M. S.)
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to close everything during 10 days of Muharram
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to recite Salwaat on 51st Dai Tahir Saifuddin and 52nd Dai Muhammed Burhanuddin.
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to do chest beating on the name of Husain after each Salaat
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to follow compulsory dress code in each religious event. He forces ladies to wear Hindus dress Ghagra Culee and Surti Rida and not allow to wear Muslim dress.
Only Dawoodi Dai ask his followers to pay round the year numerous mandatory Taxes. Haj fund, Ziyarat fund, Syedna Burhanuddin fund, Mufaddal says: "May Allah grant more to those who pay, ....He will return seventy times higher ...but 1000 times greater. He may grant Barakh to those who pay all these to me..." I have heard this phrase many times from beggars. Except they do not use word 'Wajebaat'. Sydena (May Allah Guide him to the Straight Path and forgive his habit of committing Shirk) is a fraud of this century.
Only Dawoodi Dai ask his followers to get E-Jamat identity cards like the government and maintain full private and sensitive data.
Only Dawoodi Dai ask his followers to pay respect and reverence to his satanic family of 550 houses. His family members - Qasre Aali(the Haraam Royal Rescale family of the Dai) appoint as Aamils and managing executives to the choicest Jamats around the world, rather than qualified. Dai says he is from superior blood lineage, which is against the concept of Islam.


Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to donate all Trusts and properties on his name. Every Masjid, Markaz, hospital, Musafirkhana or Jamat properties are on the name of Dai and his family members. Renovation of all the Masjids and institutions round the year is a part of profitable business. Demolishing of the good condition Masjids and other Heritage Buildings (just to remove the name plate of its original builder) and re-building new structures with the name of the Holy Father Muhammed Burhanuddin or his puppy, Mufaddal. Even UNESCO has condemned this ill practice by the Dawoodi Bohra clergy, in Egypt.
Only Dawoodi Dai ask his followers for changing names. Sons of Taher Saifuddin, Muhammed Burhanuddin, Mufaddal and Khuzaima can change any Bohra child's or adult’s name (especially those names which are sound common Muslim to typical type name ,like Bharmal, Tarmal, Jiwanji, Jew, Ratan, without consulting the person or their parents at his own will.
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to take his permission in each religious or secular matters and this permission is given after payment, as per the status of party. Even for sexual intercourse with wife, blind followers obtain permission from Mufaddal, as a token of sacred blessings.
Only Dawoodi Dai says to his followers that he has an ‘Ismah’ like an Imam of Ahl al Bait. He also claims that for all practical purposes the Dai is God on earth, ilah al Ard, Nauzubillah.
Only Dawoodi Dai ask to his followers to give him Misaq - oath of allegiance , which is in reality Misaq of Imam uz Zaman, but Taher Saifuddin distorted the real text and rewrite as per his wishes. This Misaq is taking forcefully from non adult boy and girl when one is not mature mentally. If a person taking the oath breaks it, all his possessions, i.e. moveable, cash, housing, utensils, jewels, ornaments, carriages, horses, cattle, milking cows, she buffaloes, slaves- males and females and all worldly materials become unlawful for him. All his property is liable to be confiscated (and to be distributed among the members of the Royal Family /Baite Zaani, the sacred Mullas). When he takes the oath again and accepts all the terms of that covenant then his things become lawful to him and then only he is entitled to get his things back...say yes.



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:34 pm

All good but use of Salaat for Namaz and call something a Hindu dress and also talk about Muslim dress, smells like a Paki

BTW what is a Muslim dress? A Black Burqa? That oppressive piece of Arab dress imposed on women? Arab is not equal to Muslim but then cannot expect better from Paki Arab wannabe



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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:13 pm

AgnosticIndian wrote:All good but use of Salaat for Namaz and call something a Hindu dress and also talk about Muslim dress, smells like a Paki

BTW what is a Muslim dress? A Black Burqa? That oppressive piece of Arab dress imposed on women? Arab is not equal to Muslim but then cannot expect better from Paki Arab wannabe
Do you know what clothing The Ladies of the House of the Prophet wore ? before abusing their Arab culture . We pray like them, our religion , we read their script , we enjoy their meat culinary, we praise his honorable family yet now we have hatred for Arabic way of life that they lived , and those who practise it in our times . We need to be agnostic and take the best of both worlds! :)

No one is imposing Arab dress code , but to oppressively refuse one who wants to wear Arab dress on their own will and deny them access to a Bohra place of worship is what is being discussed .

imposing STD and Rida to non Indian Bohras is equally offensive ...by the way I am not Indian ...I am African Muslim of Bohra decent. My passport nationality now is western .



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Unread post by shanu_scorpio » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:59 am

Awesome analysis ms nafisa god bless u as u have understood what is right in islam and have the guts to write about it jio abaad raho



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Unread post by Zali110 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:46 pm

all above are dawoodi bohra rules ,agreed , if u dont like them dont follow them , no one is holding a gun on your fore head and forcing you to follow him , simple solution is dont be a Dawoodi bohra , become an alavi or sulaimani or wahabi or whatever you want to be , why r u stressing on changing Syednas views when you dont want to change yours , let him run his dawat the way he wants he has followers who follow him and you run your own religion or follow someone who runs dawat the way you want , dont stress over this just change your direction simple



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Unread post by Al-Noor » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:23 pm

Zali110 wrote:all above are dawoodi bohra rules ,agreed , if u dont like them dont follow them , no one is holding a gun on your fore head and forcing you to follow him , simple solution is dont be a Dawoodi bohra , become an alavi or sulaimani or wahabi or whatever you want to be , why r u stressing on changing Syednas views when you dont want to change yours , let him run his dawat the way he wants he has followers who follow him and you run your own religion or follow someone who runs dawat the way you want , dont stress over this just change your direction simple
agree with you syedna should do what ever he wants to and people who agree with him should follow and other should not.

but again since all his actions are against islam they should not label himself as muslims, they can call them self bhangi/chamadiya/mochi/hindu/athiest what ever but not muslim.

because if they call them self muslim they have to obey islamic rules.

so just dont stress over it and change you islamic labels muslims will not bother you over it...Simple

We Muslims cant let you and your syedna override Quran and Sunnah.



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:14 am

Bohra spring wrote:
Do you know what clothing The Ladies of the House of the Prophet wore ? before abusing their Arab culture . We pray like them, our religion , we read their script , we enjoy their meat culinary, we praise his honorable family yet now we have hatred for Arabic way of life that they lived , and those who practise it in our times . We need to be agnostic and take the best of both worlds! :)

No one is imposing Arab dress code , but to oppressively refuse one who wants to wear Arab dress on their own will and deny them access to a Bohra place of worship is what is being discussed .

imposing STD and Rida to non Indian Bohras is equally offensive ...by the way I am not Indian ...I am African Muslim of Bohra decent. My passport nationality now is western .
3 Abrahmic religions came from the region. Only among Muslims aping Arabs seems to be the way to be called a good muslim. You don't see Christians & Jews trying to go back 2000-3000 years and try to live like as in those times.

You can be from anywhere, any culture, following your own culture and tradition and still be a Muslim.
Indonesia is an example. An Islamic country which has kept its Hindu past alive. There is Ganesh on its currency, Garud is its national carrier, names are based on their local culture and history. Doesn't make them less Muslims. So are the central Asian nations which follow their own customs, names etc.

This whole need to ape Arabs is a South Asian especially Pakistani phenomenon.



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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:50 am

Agnostic
Only among Muslims aping Arabs seems to be the way to be called a good muslim. You don't see Christians & Jews trying to go back 2000-3000 years and try to live like as in those times.
How about Jews in Kibbutz
The Religious Kibbutz Movement (Hebrew: הקיבוץ הדתי‎, HaKibbutz HaDati) is an organizational framework for Orthodox kibbutzim in Israel. Its membership includes 19 communities, 16 of them traditional kibbutzim, and three others in the category of moshav shitufi (communal settlements), meaning that they have no communal dining hall or children's house but maintain a shared economy. The Religious Kibbutz Movement has about 10,000 members.
Or Christian Amish as well as Mormons
The Amish (/ˈɑːmɪʃ/; Pennsylvania Dutch: Amisch, German: Amische) are a group of traditionalist Christian church fellowships, closely related to but distinct from Mennonite churches, with whom they share Swiss Anabaptist origins. The Amish are known for simple living, plain dress, and reluctance to adopt many conveniences of modern technology. The history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann.[2] Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish.[3]
It has become fashionable to blame everything on Muslims



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:00 am

SBM wrote:
Agnostic
Only among Muslims aping Arabs seems to be the way to be called a good muslim. You don't see Christians & Jews trying to go back 2000-3000 years and try to live like as in those times.
How about Jews in Kibbutz
The Religious Kibbutz Movement (Hebrew: הקיבוץ הדתי‎, HaKibbutz HaDati) is an organizational framework for Orthodox kibbutzim in Israel. Its membership includes 19 communities, 16 of them traditional kibbutzim, and three others in the category of moshav shitufi (communal settlements), meaning that they have no communal dining hall or children's house but maintain a shared economy. The Religious Kibbutz Movement has about 10,000 members.
Or Christian Amish as well as Mormons
The Amish (/ˈɑːmɪʃ/; Pennsylvania Dutch: Amisch, German: Amische) are a group of traditionalist Christian church fellowships, closely related to but distinct from Mennonite churches, with whom they share Swiss Anabaptist origins. The Amish are known for simple living, plain dress, and reluctance to adopt many conveniences of modern technology. The history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann.[2] Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish.[3]
It has become fashionable to blame everything on Muslims

Brilliant! Compare a minuscule 10,000 member community with 1.5 billion Muslims.



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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:23 am

And APING ARABS do not constitute 1.5 billion Muslims either



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:42 am

SBM wrote:And APING ARABS do not constitute 1.5 billion Muslims either

Yeah but applies to millions especially in the subcontinent and it's far bigger than the 10,000 members thingy that you cited



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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:59 am

AgnosticIndian you seem to have racist hatred for Arabs and a ything arabic why , what Is the cause?

you feel suphocating , you should be really free ...

Let me ask you ...what is your name ? if you are bohra you must have 99% an Arabic name , why have you not changed it to non arabic .

When you were born as a boy was circumsised? Abrahmic traditions. .sorrry cannot help fix that :)

What's you mum and dads name arabic

did you say kalama to shahda? arabic

.....



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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:32 am

AgnosticIndian wrote:
SBM wrote:And APING ARABS do not constitute 1.5 billion Muslims either

Yeah but applies to millions especially in the subcontinent and it's far bigger than the 10,000 members thingy that you cited
Christian Population worldwide is far greater then 1.5 billion and Amish and Mormons are part of the Christian Faith too.
Percentage of fanatic Muslims is much smaller then fanatic Jews (population ratio)



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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:38 am

It is very simple really. The prophet (saw) was an arab. Worshipping idols is not indonesian culture. Even arabs used to worship idols. Every haram that is being passed as individual culture was practiced by the arabs before and during the time of the prophet (saw) before Islam. So, if you want to be a good muslim, you will need to emulate the best arabs and these are the prophet (saw) and his closest sahabas. There is really no other way. That is the condition. If you dont like it, get the hell out.

There were hundreds of idols in the Kaaba before. When Islam dawned, these were destroyed. They werent put in a museum to preserve their "cultural heritage ". Cause it wasnt culture. It was a thing to be ashamed of.



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:24 pm

Wahabi/ Islamists taking root among Bohras it seems.



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Unread post by Nafisa » Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:28 pm

Please return towards the above mentioned discussion of Shirk of Mufaddal Saifuddin and share your thoughts.
How entire community will come out of the net of Shirk and Bidaat, planted by Dawoodi Dai ?



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:51 pm

The Abdes are better off being Abdes than move towards Wahabism. World will be a better off



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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:54 pm

AgnosticIndian wrote:Wahabi/ Islamists taking root among Bohras it seems.
And that is a good thing instead of continuing in this corrupt unIslamic "culture" of idol worship as laid down by nafisa.

What the abdes do isnt going to make any difference to the world. It might make a difference to them and save them from their "culture" of idol worship.



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:23 pm

anajmi wrote:
AgnosticIndian wrote:Wahabi/ Islamists taking root among Bohras it seems.
And that is a good thing instead of continuing in this corrupt unIslamic "culture" of idol worship as laid down by nafisa.

What the abdes do isnt going to make any difference to the world. It might make a difference to them and save them from their "culture" of idol worship.

Answered that in my previous post



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:26 pm

anajmi wrote:It is very simple really. The prophet (saw) was an arab. Worshipping idols is not indonesian culture. Even arabs used to worship idols. Every haram that is being passed as individual culture was practiced by the arabs before and during the time of the prophet (saw) before Islam. So, if you want to be a good muslim, you will need to emulate the best arabs and these are the prophet (saw) and his closest sahabas. There is really no other way. That is the condition. If you dont like it, get the hell out.

There were hundreds of idols in the Kaaba before. When Islam dawned, these were destroyed. They werent put in a museum to preserve their "cultural heritage ". Cause it wasnt culture. It was a thing to be ashamed of.
Horse Puckey! You don't have to be an Arab to be a "good" Muslim. BTW Muslims are killing each other in the quest of who/what constitutes a "good" Muslim. No one wants to be a good human



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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:42 pm

Sorry Sister Nafisa:
BTW Muslims are killing each other
Let us See
Hiter, a Christian killed 4 million Jews
USA killed more than 8 million when they bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima
More than 15 million killed during Vietnam War
UK killed thousands in Jalianwala Baugh
Thousands of people killed during Catholic and Protestant war in Ireland
Israel Killed thousands in Sabera and Shatila Camps
France killed millions in Africa during their occupation.
Russia killed millions during Baltic uprising.
Millions of innocent were killed by Coalition forces as Collateral damage
More blood is shed by the so called CIVILIZED Countries then ISIL and Al Qaeda combined.Go figure..
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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:43 pm

If muslims were killing each other there wouldnt be any muslims around you moron. If you are not a born arab, doesnt matter how good a muslim you are you wont be an arab. There is a difference between a muslim and an arab but a fool like you doesnt know the difference. That is why you shoud change your name to "foolishindian"



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:43 pm

anajmi wrote:If muslims were killing each other there wouldnt be any muslims around you moron. If you are not a born arab, doesnt matter how good a muslim you are you wont be an arab. There is a difference between a muslim and an arab but a fool like you doesnt know the difference. That is why you shoud change your name to "foolishindian"
If you haven't understood the argument, stay out until you get it moron



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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:02 pm

BTW Muslims are killing each other
Let us See
Hiter, a Christian killed 4 million Jews - Point was about Muslims being killed Muslims not A religion killing B religion.

USA killed more than 8 million when they bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima - WRONG 150,000-250,000 died but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims

More than 15 million killed during Vietnam War - WRONG AGAIN. Wonder where you got the 15 million figure
but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims

UK killed thousands in Jalianwala Baugh - Yes right here but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims

Thousands of people killed during Catholic and Protestant war in Ireland - Yes but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims

Israel Killed thousands in Sabera and Shatila Camps - you mean Sabra. And it was done by Christian Labanese not Israel. They were allied to Israel yes
but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims

France killed millions in Africa during their occupation- Arabs/Muslims have killed millions of people as they marauded through various lands including parts of Indian Subcontinenent but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims

Russia killed millions during Baltic uprising - Same example as above but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims
Millions of innocent were killed by Coalition forces as Collateral damage- Proof that Millions have been killed by coalition forces as collateral damage but still the point was more Muslims are killed by Muslims

More blood is shed by the so called CIVILIZED Countries then ISIL and Al Qaeda combined.Go figure..[/quote]

Making it bold doesn't mean anything. Also two wrongs don't make a right or a comparison to wrongs don't make the wrongs right or lighter in crime



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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:22 pm

Oh I get the argument. And understand how stupid it is. It is like saying that if you play cricket you are trying to become an englishman. So you should only play kabaddi and gilli danda to preserve your "cultural heritage "!



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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:38 pm

Agno
I was not trying to make two wrong one right, but trying to expose your hypocrisy blaming Muslims and Arabs and when historical facts are put in front of you, you decided to go easy way,
So if two wrongs do not make one right why blame Muslims alone all the time. Why not highlight the Muslim and Arab contributions to the World (science and architectural as well literature) or that does evade your intelligence



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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:13 pm

Bohra spring wrote:AgnosticIndian you seem to have racist hatred for Arabs and a ything arabic why , what Is the cause?

you feel suphocating , you should be really free ...

Let me ask you ...what is your name ? if you are bohra you must have 99% an Arabic name , why have you not changed it to non arabic .

When you were born as a boy was circumsised? Abrahmic traditions. .sorrry cannot help fix that :)

What's you mum and dads name arabic

did you say kalama to shahda? arabic

.....
have you changed your name on your passport? make it agnostic or Indian



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:37 pm

AgnosticIndian wrote:Point was about Muslims being killed Muslims not A religion killing B religion.
Lets look at the number of people killed in inter religious fights in Christianity, the ISIS, Al-Qaeeda and other Muslim terrorist organisations look like saints as compared to Christian terrorists killing fellow Christians :-

1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.

1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.

1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.

1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.

1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.

1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.

For further details visit toughissues.org

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Reforma ... _slaughter



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:47 pm

Nafisa wrote:Please return towards the above mentioned discussion of Shirk of Mufaddal Saifuddin and share your thoughts.
How entire community will come out of the net of Shirk and Bidaat, planted by Dawoodi Dai ?
PRIME EXAMPLE OF SHIRK AND BIDDAT BY MUFADDALI BOHRAS

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Re: Shirk & Bidaat by Dawoodi Dai,N/A in Alavi & Sulemani

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:26 pm

SBM wrote:Agno
I was not trying to make two wrong one right, but trying to expose your hypocrisy blaming Muslims and Arabs and when historical facts are put in front of you, you decided to go easy way,
So if two wrongs do not make one right why blame Muslims alone all the time. Why not highlight the Muslim and Arab contributions to the World (science and architectural as well literature) or that does evade your intelligence
What is called Arab numerals as the world knows it, was invented in India. Arabs learnt it from us and took it across & Europeans learnt from them & called it Arab numerals. There are many other examples.

Again you used Arabs & Muslims in the same breath. Let use an example of APJ Abdul Kalam. Indian,patriot,great scientist. Get over the Arab thing. You can be a Muslim without having to ape Arabs