Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Dua for Momeen
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#541

Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Fri May 13, 2016 1:16 pm

Tale of Two Mufaddals: One, fake forgiving; second, true vengeful and mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl_z2Bl3R_g



ghulam muhammed
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 13, 2016 7:08 pm

Forwarded as Received :-

MS Mumino na khisano shikar kari, karodo ni Loot kari, Zimbabwe masoom jaanwaro no shikar karva (Zimbabwe govt ek Lion ke Ek elephant na shikar na US Dollar 50,000/- each jaanwar + temaj MS na kafila no karodo no kharch alag ) Aisho aaram ma jalso karva jai rahya che. Quran e pak ma Allah ye je khaai na sakey eva jaanwar no shikar karvo Haraam farmaavel che. MS jaane che ke Ramzan ma mumino ne Qatal karva na che ane mumino tayyar betha che. MS, tamey Aish karo aney hamey ghetao qurban maatey Ramzan me ready che. MS Zindabad !



yuzarsif
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Fri May 13, 2016 10:44 pm

Received on Whatsapp can any one from Mumbai confirm this News

BADRI MAHAL SEALED
MS has declared a holiday for the entire staff of badri mahal. Badri mahal for the first time in history will remain close for good 22 days.
The reality is MS AND TOLI has done so many gaflaas its got a high level inquiry and its sealed by the INCOME TAX. Sleuths is haunting MS and now mumeneen will know that the person they are following blindly is a high level corrupt,and selfish person who is just interested in accumulating your hard earned wealth and is here to just fill his coffers.
Today BADRI MAHAL is SEALED, with time many more offices will come under scanner and May Allah catch them soon.
AAMEEN



ghulam muhammed
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat May 14, 2016 5:15 pm

Even I received the above message but I don't think its true because if it was so then it would have appeared in some newspapers.



unclesam
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by unclesam » Mon May 16, 2016 2:33 pm

As received on whatsapp

Shk Aliasgar rampurawala of vazarat dept was not in by even 1400 hrs. He was asked to take break and not come to office for indefinate period. There was meeting organized at db house to decide plan of action mostly around bribing IT Officers on duty



ajamali
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#546

Unread post by ajamali » Tue May 17, 2016 4:47 am

Great interview against FGM by Syedna Fakhruddin's brother.
http://m.mid-day.com/articles/i-unequiv ... n/17241182



qutub_mamajiwala
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue May 17, 2016 7:17 am

dont know of burhanuddin, but khuzaima had been in power for only 2 years and vry sick in last 6 months or so.
morever nobody directly questioned him on this.
u have evidence or record of anybody questioning him on this and his answer?
this moment is relatively new.



Dua for Momeen
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#548

Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Tue May 17, 2016 7:25 am

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:dont know of burhanuddin, but khuzaima had been in power for only 2 years and vry sick in last 6 months or so.
morever nobody directly questioned him on this.
u have evidence or record of anybody questioning him on this and his answer?
this moment is relatively new.
are you nuts? this khatna thing is not new this is going on from ages.......if it was all wrong to do khatna in childhood it was duty of present dai to stop such practices, or it was duty of mazoon to comment on it and stop it. taher bhai woke up now to gain publicity and show how he is modern compare to mufaddal.

chalo thik hain der aaye sawer aaye, but I hope taher will admit his uncle burhanuddin and his father khuzaima failed to perform their duties, will he do this?



ajamali
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#549

Unread post by ajamali » Tue May 17, 2016 7:53 am

Dude do you care about the practice being stopped or do you just want to go on bellyaching? Over centuries cultural practices (especially those carried out in secret!) can take on a form and motivation far from it's original intent and practice. This may never have been brought to the attention of previous duat. The recent anti FGM movement has brought the horrific nature of the practice to the Syedna's attention and he has taken swift and decisive action. I think it's commendable! Kudos!
Dua for Momeen wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:dont know of burhanuddin, but khuzaima had been in power for only 2 years and vry sick in last 6 months or so.
morever nobody directly questioned him on this.
u have evidence or record of anybody questioning him on this and his answer?
this moment is relatively new.
are you nuts? this khatna thing is not new this is going on from ages.......if it was all wrong to do khatna in childhood it was duty of present dai to stop such practices, or it was duty of mazoon to comment on it and stop it. taher bhai woke up now to gain publicity and show how he is modern compare to mufaddal.

chalo thik hain der aaye sawer aaye, but I hope taher will admit his uncle burhanuddin and his father khuzaima failed to perform their duties, will he do this?



qutub_mamajiwala
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue May 17, 2016 9:08 am

Dua for Momeen wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:dont know of burhanuddin, but khuzaima had been in power for only 2 years and vry sick in last 6 months or so.
morever nobody directly questioned him on this.
u have evidence or record of anybody questioning him on this and his answer?
this moment is relatively new.
are you nuts? this khatna thing is not new this is going on from ages.......if it was all wrong to do khatna in childhood it was duty of present dai to stop such practices, or it was duty of mazoon to comment on it and stop it. taher bhai woke up now to gain publicity and show how he is modern compare to mufaddal.

chalo thik hain der aaye sawer aaye, but I hope taher will admit his uncle burhanuddin and his father khuzaima failed to perform their duties, will he do this?
bro
why then only question smb or skq?
practice is older than that.
question previous duats also and also imam preceeding it.
look to future instead of past



Dua for Momeen
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Wed May 18, 2016 5:45 am

Sceptical wrote:Is "Dua for Momeen" the new virus of this forum ? or a new avatar of "al-noor" ?


Admitting mistakes done by predecessors will make them prone to mistakes and expose them and take away their title of masoom so they will never do that. so instead of diverting topic better ask your new mauola to do the right thing and admit all the gaflaa and mistakes burhanuddin and his father khuzaima did in last 50 years and destroyed soul of this community...

Dua for momeen and lanah on kaazebin (Liars)



Crater Lake
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sun May 22, 2016 11:55 am

Received this morning. So impressed!

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/othe ... 380694.cms?



juzer esmail
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by juzer esmail » Sun May 22, 2016 2:19 pm

“Science is always wrong. It never solves a problem without creating 10 more.” - George Bernard Shaw.

Hundreds of proven theories in science, were debunked later, sometimes just after a few years by the new scientists.
The ‘Static Universe theory’ of Einstein was ridiculed & so was the ‘Flat earth theory’ of earlier times.

Medical Science theories,
were also debunked by their very own.

Cholestrol was considered as the biggest killer, this theory too has been debunked recently.

Restricted Diet for Diabetes took a U turn, when Rice was considered fit to consume in reasonable quanitites.

Medical doctors touted that baby formula was much better than breast milk for children. Now the exact opposite is shown to be true

Medical science once had scientific evidence that the removing of tonsils and appendix improved health and should be done to virtually everyone. Now the medical community has reversed that theory.

Certain Viruses are all of a sudden hyped so strongly on the media, as if it is a pandemic that will kill the entire human kind.

The pharmaceutical giants work hand in glove with WHO & the media, to make billions in such misinformation.
They should rather be named the "Drug Mafia".
 
Circumcision in men, was considered a dangerous practice (citing cases where this was done by primitive methods in African tribes).
Then the world discovered that this was the best method for every male, biologically & medically.

Now it is the turn of Female circumcision.
WHO states a hundred reasons why it is dangerous & it can cause a million hardships. They say even child bearing in future becomes a question & children undergo severe trauma & could result in death too.

Now please explain to us this:
This practice has been prevalent since about 1400 years. How many million upon millions, have undergone this procedure?
How many millions have died? How many have suffered severe trauma so as not being able to conceive children. (it is a known fact that Muslim women are more fertile than the rest & population growth rate here is the highest).

If WHO is basing it’s research on primitive methods, being used in certain tribes of Africa, why does it not go into detail of how very safe the entire procedure is, effected by qualified doctors & not by witch doctors of African tribes.

Why is Male circumcision not called MPM? (Male Penile Mutilation)

Why is it Ok to have male circumcision done when the child is only a few days old?

Why do modern women, who are fighting for equality, forfeit thier right on this issue?

Why do people feel that modernity, is in rejecting religious beliefs?

Only if science verifies its correctness, then alone, is it considered right?
This is a deliriously naïve argument, because Science is absolutely certain about one thing – That it is more a guess work, based on constant research, which baffles more than gives answers.

And then are certain monkeys like TF who join this bandwagon of pseudo-scientists, & the so called modernists, for their own narrow interests.

The world is now quite mature. Every parent understands that everything printed or portrayed on the media, is not to be believed. So please spare us all this jargon.
We know how to differentiate on what is right & wrong for our children.
They are our own.



SBM
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by SBM » Sun May 22, 2016 2:37 pm

Juzer Ismail
For Male Circumcision Here is the answer from one of the most prestigious Medical Institution
Is circumcision necessary?
The use of circumcision for medical or health reasons is an issue that continues to be debated. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) found that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks, but the benefits are not great enough to recommend universalnewborn circumcision. The procedure may be recommended in older boys and men to treat phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) or to treat an infection of the penis.
Parents should talk with their doctor about the benefits and risks of the procedure before making a decision regarding circumcision of a male child. Other factors, such as your culture, religion, and personal preference, will also be involved in your decision.
What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:

A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections.
Now coming to your FGM and 1400 years of history, if true why a greater majority of Muslim Ummah does not perform. When more than 95% of Muslim Ummah will follow the practices of Prophet Mohammad in addition to teaching of Quran but still do not follow FGM it proves that is was not Prophetic practice unless you can bring some historical evidance to the contrary. Farman from Dais are not acceptable as doing Maatam after every Fard Salah was not practiced thru 51 Dai either. Making Roti was not practiced till SMS got power.
Doing two Rakat namaz for Dai was never done by anyone. No historical data is available showing that Imam Ali and his successors ever asked his followers to pray TWO RAKAT Namaz for their Long life
And then are certain monkeys like TF who join this bandwagon of pseudo-scientists, & the so called modernists, for their own narrow interests.
At least this Monkey did not get his FAKE Degree by bribing colleges and Universities.



Crater Lake
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sun May 22, 2016 3:01 pm

We believed for centuries, as said by Rasulullah that it is wajib on both muslim and muslimah to seek ilm but then MS reversed that! Said nothing doing, only Home Science for girls.

For centuries we cooked food at home and ate the best food possible as per Dawood Nabi but then MS reversed that and said NO! You must eat this unappetising mass produced food.

For centuries we performed khafz which had taken on a horrendous form as it was practised in secrecy and in unsanitary conditions by ill-informed women with no consistent instructions on how much to cut or what the reason for cutting was. MS sent out letters to all western jamaats that khafz should NOT be performed on young girls. Then in Zikra majlis he said it MUST be performed. Then again he sent out more letters that it must not be done. Which one is it? The inconsistency is not in Science, it is in your leader. If you believe every two bit study about wine and coffee that comes your way and blame it on science , you deserve to be misled!

Next time you are raging with fever and riddled with bacterial infection, please do not take any antibiotics. Because what does science know!! If your hip or knee wears out do not go to a hospital to get a replacement. Because Science is just scary.... Don't learn about the mysteries of the Universe and marvel at His creation. Because it is just Scientific ummm guess work. :roll:

You are so full of baloney Juzer Esmail.
juzer esmail wrote:“Science is always wrong. It never solves a problem without creating 10 more.” - George Bernard Shaw.

Hundreds of proven theories in science, were debunked later, sometimes just after a few years by the new scientists.
The ‘Static Universe theory’ of Einstein was ridiculed & so was the ‘Flat earth theory’ of earlier times.

Medical Science theories,
were also debunked by their very own.

Cholestrol was considered as the biggest killer, this theory too has been debunked recently.

Restricted Diet for Diabetes took a U turn, when Rice was considered fit to consume in reasonable quanitites.

Medical doctors touted that baby formula was much better than breast milk for children. Now the exact opposite is shown to be true

Medical science once had scientific evidence that the removing of tonsils and appendix improved health and should be done to virtually everyone. Now the medical community has reversed that theory.

Certain Viruses are all of a sudden hyped so strongly on the media, as if it is a pandemic that will kill the entire human kind.

The pharmaceutical giants work hand in glove with WHO & the media, to make billions in such misinformation.
They should rather be named the "Drug Mafia".
 
Circumcision in men, was considered a dangerous practice (citing cases where this was done by primitive methods in African tribes).
Then the world discovered that this was the best method for every male, biologically & medically.

Now it is the turn of Female circumcision.
WHO states a hundred reasons why it is dangerous & it can cause a million hardships. They say even child bearing in future becomes a question & children undergo severe trauma & could result in death too.

Now please explain to us this:
This practice has been prevalent since about 1400 years. How many million upon millions, have undergone this procedure?
How many millions have died? How many have suffered severe trauma so as not being able to conceive children. (it is a known fact that Muslim women are more fertile than the rest & population growth rate here is the highest).

If WHO is basing it’s research on primitive methods, being used in certain tribes of Africa, why does it not go into detail of how very safe the entire procedure is, effected by qualified doctors & not by witch doctors of African tribes.

Why is Male circumcision not called MPM? (Male Penile Mutilation)

Why is it Ok to have male circumcision done when the child is only a few days old?

Why do modern women, who are fighting for equality, forfeit thier right on this issue?

Why do people feel that modernity, is in rejecting religious beliefs?

Only if science verifies its correctness, then alone, is it considered right?
This is a deliriously naïve argument, because Science is absolutely certain about one thing – That it is more a guess work, based on constant research, which baffles more than gives answers.

And then are certain monkeys like TF who join this bandwagon of pseudo-scientists, & the so called modernists, for their own narrow interests.

The world is now quite mature. Every parent understands that everything printed or portrayed on the media, is not to be believed. So please spare us all this jargon.
We know how to differentiate on what is right & wrong for our children.
They are our own.



Sceptical
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#556

Unread post by Sceptical » Sun May 22, 2016 4:48 pm

juzer esmail wrote:“Science is always wrong. It never solves a problem without creating 10 more.” - George Bernard Shaw.

Hundreds of proven theories in science, were debunked later, sometimes just after a few years by the new scientists.
The ‘Static Universe theory’ of Einstein was ridiculed & so was the ‘Flat earth theory’ of earlier times.

Medical Science theories,
were also debunked by their very own.

Cholestrol was considered as the biggest killer, this theory too has been debunked recently.

Restricted Diet for Diabetes took a U turn, when Rice was considered fit to consume in reasonable quanitites.

Medical doctors touted that baby formula was much better than breast milk for children. Now the exact opposite is shown to be true

Medical science once had scientific evidence that the removing of tonsils and appendix improved health and should be done to virtually everyone. Now the medical community has reversed that theory.

Certain Viruses are all of a sudden hyped so strongly on the media, as if it is a pandemic that will kill the entire human kind.

The pharmaceutical giants work hand in glove with WHO & the media, to make billions in such misinformation.
They should rather be named the "Drug Mafia".
 
Circumcision in men, was considered a dangerous practice (citing cases where this was done by primitive methods in African tribes).
Then the world discovered that this was the best method for every male, biologically & medically.

Now it is the turn of Female circumcision.
WHO states a hundred reasons why it is dangerous & it can cause a million hardships. They say even child bearing in future becomes a question & children undergo severe trauma & could result in death too.

Now please explain to us this:
This practice has been prevalent since about 1400 years. How many million upon millions, have undergone this procedure?
How many millions have died? How many have suffered severe trauma so as not being able to conceive children. (it is a known fact that Muslim women are more fertile than the rest & population growth rate here is the highest).

If WHO is basing it’s research on primitive methods, being used in certain tribes of Africa, why does it not go into detail of how very safe the entire procedure is, effected by qualified doctors & not by witch doctors of African tribes.

Why is Male circumcision not called MPM? (Male Penile Mutilation)

Why is it Ok to have male circumcision done when the child is only a few days old?

Why do modern women, who are fighting for equality, forfeit thier right on this issue?

Why do people feel that modernity, is in rejecting religious beliefs?

Only if science verifies its correctness, then alone, is it considered right?
This is a deliriously naïve argument, because Science is absolutely certain about one thing – That it is more a guess work, based on constant research, which baffles more than gives answers.

And then are certain monkeys like TF who join this bandwagon of pseudo-scientists, & the so called modernists, for their own narrow interests.

The world is now quite mature. Every parent understands that everything printed or portrayed on the media, is not to be believed. So please spare us all this jargon.
We know how to differentiate on what is right & wrong for our children.
They are our own.
actually wirtten by someone who does know nothing about science... :roll:



MMH
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#557

Unread post by MMH » Sun May 22, 2016 4:56 pm

Crater Lake wrote:Received this morning. So impressed!

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/othe ... 380694.cms?

I loved every bit of the article. This is what a dai is supposed to do, be abreast with the world now, savvy in every way, bring about a paradigm shift from old useless diktat.

More power to him
More followers to him



Ozdundee
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#558

Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun May 22, 2016 8:36 pm

Sceptical wrote:
juzer esmail wrote:“Science is always wrong. It never solves a problem without creating 10 more.” - George Bernard Shaw.
This fool should know the girl is 7 years old and is cut without local anaesthetic so she remembers the pain. Next it is against the law period, you want to change the law buy an island for SMS and make your own laws and invite your slaves. Alternatively convince people your reason rather than doing it in secret. Meanwhile SMS should stay out of USA and Australia , he will be arrested and detained, this time Modi will not try to rescue , he is fuming that his mate had such dirty thoughts for threatening and promoting lawlessness, unless he apologies.

Male circumcision is not to suppress any behavior, fgm is to keep girls obedient

Now about science not right get the f off the internet and scream because smoke signals is scientific too.

FGM is not STF issue he has joined it objectively and leadership means being relevant not stupidly stubborn and be lost in hunting safari



juzer esmail
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#559

Unread post by juzer esmail » Mon May 23, 2016 12:41 am

As the title of this thread suggests, this is being circulated on Bohra WhatsApp group.
These are certainly not mine or any right thinking person's views.



Dua for Momeen
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#560

Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Mon May 23, 2016 7:34 am

juzer esmail wrote:“Science is always wrong. It never solves a problem without creating 10 more.” - George Bernard Shaw.

Hundreds of proven theories in science, were debunked later, sometimes just after a few years by the new scientists.
The ‘Static Universe theory’ of Einstein was ridiculed & so was the ‘Flat earth theory’ of earlier times.

Medical Science theories,
were also debunked by their very own.

Cholestrol was considered as the biggest killer, this theory too has been debunked recently.

Restricted Diet for Diabetes took a U turn, when Rice was considered fit to consume in reasonable quanitites.

Medical doctors touted that baby formula was much better than breast milk for children. Now the exact opposite is shown to be true

Medical science once had scientific evidence that the removing of tonsils and appendix improved health and should be done to virtually everyone. Now the medical community has reversed that theory.

Certain Viruses are all of a sudden hyped so strongly on the media, as if it is a pandemic that will kill the entire human kind.

The pharmaceutical giants work hand in glove with WHO & the media, to make billions in such misinformation.
They should rather be named the "Drug Mafia".
 
Circumcision in men, was considered a dangerous practice (citing cases where this was done by primitive methods in African tribes).
Then the world discovered that this was the best method for every male, biologically & medically.

Now it is the turn of Female circumcision.
WHO states a hundred reasons why it is dangerous & it can cause a million hardships. They say even child bearing in future becomes a question & children undergo severe trauma & could result in death too.

Now please explain to us this:
This practice has been prevalent since about 1400 years. How many million upon millions, have undergone this procedure?
How many millions have died? How many have suffered severe trauma so as not being able to conceive children. (it is a known fact that Muslim women are more fertile than the rest & population growth rate here is the highest).

If WHO is basing it’s research on primitive methods, being used in certain tribes of Africa, why does it not go into detail of how very safe the entire procedure is, effected by qualified doctors & not by witch doctors of African tribes.

Why is Male circumcision not called MPM? (Male Penile Mutilation)

Why is it Ok to have male circumcision done when the child is only a few days old?

Why do modern women, who are fighting for equality, forfeit thier right on this issue?

Why do people feel that modernity, is in rejecting religious beliefs?

Only if science verifies its correctness, then alone, is it considered right?
This is a deliriously naïve argument, because Science is absolutely certain about one thing – That it is more a guess work, based on constant research, which baffles more than gives answers.

And then are certain monkeys like TF who join this bandwagon of pseudo-scientists, & the so called modernists, for their own narrow interests.

The world is now quite mature. Every parent understands that everything printed or portrayed on the media, is not to be believed. So please spare us all this jargon.
We know how to differentiate on what is right & wrong for our children.
They are our own.
I agree with this post, actually science can take U turn any time, as far as FGM is concern I am against it not because of some law of land prohibits it, but because there is no where in sunnah of Muhammed(s) to do this (sunni+shia dont practice this), I have no idea how bohra started practicing it.

also science can always take u turn and we always see it, some times they say coffee is good some times they say coffee is bad, some times they say vodka is good some times they will say vodka is bad, these studies are not reliable.

now new studies says junk food dont create obesity.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soda-a ... nk=sfmw_fb

MUSLIMS+MOMEENIN should just rely on QURAN and SUNNAH.

DUA FOR MOMEEN.



kimanumanu
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#561

Unread post by kimanumanu » Mon May 23, 2016 8:06 am

To err is human. Science is by humans and so even scientists can err. One should never stop to question and challenge.



JC
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#562

Unread post by JC » Mon May 23, 2016 4:46 pm

kimanumanu wrote:To err is human. Science is by humans and so even scientists can err. One should never stop to question and challenge.
And fully agree ......... human beings evolve and so does everything else ........ we seek knowledge, do research and learn and move on. Science does not err per se, it betters itself, improves. Today's technology is far better from that of 500 years back, so we evolved. Once we all were in primary school, then we graduated high school, college ............

And if religion will not self-correct itself, it will doom.



ghulam muhammed
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#563

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 23, 2016 5:22 pm

Forwarded as Received :-

Changes in DOHAD “QABAR NI JAGAH”

*According to SUPREME COURT RULES*


(i) The land and premises of cemetery (Graveyard) shall be kept open for burial at all times ;

(ii) The trustees shall not use the land for any other purpose than burial;

(iii) The trustees shall be responsible and conform to all rules, regulations and byelaws of the Corporation;

(iv) The trustees shall not, under any pretext whatsoever, change for burial any additional amount other than that fixed by the trustees and approved by the Municipal Commissioner;

(v) The trustees shall not reserve any special place for any person or family etc. without previous written approval of the Municipal Commissioner.

(vi) The trustees can make provision for charging fees for digging graves and other matters in connection with burial (but not for the use of the land and premises) as and in accordance with the scale.

Note : *Please do let me know if any ACTIVITIES going against the law.*

Regards,
Ali Akbar ( _Social Activist_ )
Dohad



godmoney
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

#564

Unread post by godmoney » Wed May 25, 2016 12:34 pm

Forward as received-

Ramzan have not even started the leeche bikhari of Hussaini masjid bhendi bazar amil and chamcha are sending balance and outstanding statement to all Hussaini mohallah with photo of the he head of family. Tech savvy ppl.

The particular are as follows domestic sabil, establishment sabik, haj, ikraam, muvasaat, voluntary, niyaz, ashara, new ejammat card, tabudaat, ramadan and FMB.

All figure are increase more then 20-40% without knowing if the person is cable to pay or not. Many poor family with family income of monthly 15k - 18K With 7ppl to survive with that income are send total outstanding balance of 55k. The statement don't include waajebat, silah fitra etc.. How they think they wud be able to survive with

Do the bikhari amil or chamcha have to go out and do hard work. They have to lootofy poor ppl for his cut in commission.

Which low class school they have studied they can't understand a simple word as voluntary means what some one wish to pay not force to pay.. Voluntary contribution figure are also been decided befoe hand and increase 50%..

FMB thali irrespective you take or not they will add the money 35000rs that means full profit kiske baap ki diwali.. Plus ramzan food almost every night it been taken by ppl who pay for full ramzan still they beg to pay for extra income.. There is different section for ramzan

Voluntary, niyaaz, ashara and fmb means the same free fund with no hisab..

I feel fatemi dawaat is much better in this case atleast they will not force or pressure for money and all account will be audited..

Husaini amil muffadal seem to be on fatemi dawaat side as he is indirectly helping fatemi dawaat by converting ppl by forcing them to join fatemi dawaat by pressuring more money.. Hat of amil

Muffadal name means trouble maker the amil name is also muffadal, before he was at badri mahal where he minted money and made 2 property.

Ibadaat is not important only money torture..

Will update all issue in during ramzan.

There is a secret group form with a political influential person if this time any tanzeem chamcha or amil try to force or pressure poor ppl for food or place we will file a police complaint with audio recording with video if possible and will get them arrested and will post them on social media too..



Dua for Momeen
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Thu May 26, 2016 4:23 am

Sorry to hear that momeenin will have to go through stress in holy month of Ramadan. how can people concentrate in iibadat when sword of money is always hanging on head of people.

Dua for Momeen.



humanbeing
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu May 26, 2016 4:43 am

There is no need to stress. Those whiners can flatly refuse to pay and pray diligently at home. if they want to visit bohra centre to socialize and show off their presence, jeweler, new masalla, rida, pehran, tasbee, sahifa set .. then pay up .. kothar is providing a service and they are charging .. if one wants to enjoy the entertainment service that kothar provides then be willing to pay up .. people dont crib to 5 star hotels or multiplex for exorbitant charges for common services.

Bohra artists (Amils, Sheikhs, Shehzadas ) are scarce in numbers now and they need lot of training and mental stress to keep the rova-jevu-moo. Muffy Maula needs to feed lot of mouth and fill a lot of pockets to keep the daawat-e-hadiya (Cruise) safeena floating ..

Amils and jamaati mullahs have no where to go, this is the only task and skills they have, have some mercy on them, they are unemployable outside bohra deen. Ramazan and Muharraam are peak dhandey ka time .. have some ethics .. does other businessmen show respite in high season to general customers. why expect these amils and mullahs to sober down. they have target to meet, they are under immense pressure.

Just see how much of hardwork they do for you, while you sit playing mobile games and chatting with your friends on masalla, amil saab is reciting prayers and getting your sins forgiven. waseela takes too much of an emotional toll on amil saab, they have to go through food and psychological counseling after these wasila to go on. it is so difficult and expensive to remain in white robes all the time .. keep them spotless and clean .. laundry cost are high.

Have some mercy in this merciful month of ramadan.



kimanumanu
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Thu May 26, 2016 8:09 am

Indeed bro humanbeing - entertainment does not come free. If you don't want pop-up ads then either don't download the app or pay up for it.



godmoney
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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by godmoney » Thu May 26, 2016 12:08 pm

Why the hell hussaini mohala amil bhendi bazaar charge FMB thali when no one like to have it.. Does so call mulla amil have only that food.. They worker wont also have that food

Why the hell they want to do ramazan food if they just want money why dont sit out side haji ali on Friday they wud earn with pride then begging.

Praying in masjid is having more sawab then praying at home.. That the only reason ppl like to pray namaz in masjid..

Iftar karavnu ghaanu sawab che

i think hussani masjid amil is trying to help fatemi dawat to convert ppl.. Must be he is getting extra cut from fatemi dawaat so that he can bring ask more and more money from ppl and later tell them to join fatemi dawaat if they cant afford..

More then 60% feel that fatemi dawat is on right track no begging for money.. All money will audited which shows where our money is spend.. No gaali or lannat every day after every namaz..

Quran allah is not important for muffy ppl only daily muffy zindabad to brain wash ppl

Legally they cant stop anyone from praying namaz in masjid, it is not there father property if they do then media will screw them, they can stop ppl for food which anyway amil and chamcha commitee dont pay from there pocket. All raat iftar food are been already taken by ppl last year..


Few years back Monty and team have hit amil and chamcha on phele raat of ramazan and police were call. Matter was settle with 30k.

This year it wud be worst then that as they then self have put cctv.. And everyone have whatsapp, smart phone. Social media id much powerful media .press wud be contacted with audio video.

If everyone unite then amil or chamcha cant stop anyone at all. It just ppl need to unite together that it..



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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by Maqbool » Thu May 26, 2016 12:32 pm

Dear Good money,

There's no need to unite. And that will never happend. You make one man army and fight. In maharashtra you have weapon of law. If you starts many will join. Best luck in advance.



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Re: Bohra WhatsApp Duniya -2016

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Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Sun May 29, 2016 6:17 pm

Jameel Salaam.
Maulana (tus) Nosybe leave Thursday morning at 8:00.
* Nosybe-Daresalaam- Nairobi *
mumeneens wish to have the privilege of traveling with Maulana silent, some seating is available. (Maulana taraf though).
It will return after Nairobi at your own expense.
If interested, thank you to contact Sh Koureche MSB today.

Wasalaam



in french


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Received from my cousin in Nairobi.
SMS offering free ride in hes plane but in silent, strictly no cameras or mobile phones allowed.
Anyone fancy traveling with the clergy?
Please contact Shaikh Husainbhai Hebatulla, Wali mulla, Nairobi