Muffadal Saiffudin and related topics -2016

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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Muffadal Saiffudin and related topics -2016

#331

Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:17 am

tipu sultan wrote:She literally said Maula kept her loved one alive for as long as he wanted and took him away when he wanted. No mention of word Allah.

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this is nothing new. when you ask any abde/amte nowadays, "kem chho?" they reply "mola ni dua chhe". no alhamdollilah, no khuda no shukr chhe. it is mola who is more superior to allah.



I Rizwan
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#332

Unread post by I Rizwan » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:47 am

tipu sultan wrote:This is a true recent event. An Amte, educated, well off.. I was talking to....look at the state of the community ..

They had a death in family. I called to say sorry. She literally said Maula kept her loved one alive for as long as he wanted and took him away when he wanted. No mention of word Allah.

She then went on to say while Maula was on shikar in Africa she asked for shifa and he granted and he lived for a few days. She was so casual about shikar as if it is Maula job and key role is to do shikar.

I asked how can someone doing haram act of shikar grant shifa ..she sounded puzzled...but anyway she completed her remark...by saying Maula remebred him in arzi...which is enough and Maula cannot do haram stuff ever.
today my wife and my mom had little bahes, my mom says "tu mola ne nathi maanti- tu saaf dil ni chej nai" :lol:

me and my wife laughed and said I guess we are done with this bahes. :lol:

I think my mom and MANY bohras will die in this state...its sad but true.



Mkenya
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#333

Unread post by Mkenya » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:01 pm

SMS who is visiting East Africa met the President of Tanzania Magufuli and presented him with a cheque of US$ 53,000.00. The commentary in the clip is in the local language Kiswahili in which President thanks SMS for the donation and requests that SMS' community continue to establish industries and other businesses in Tanzania. An Abde sings a folk song highlighting Tanzania's progress and stability. It should be noted that this is the same country where SMS has been doing shikar. One wonders how many thousands of dollars were given for access to wildlife reserves and hunting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU9SIUPNHD0&sns=em



Al Zulfiqar
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#334

Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:15 pm

chor na bhai ghanti chor....



tipu sultan
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#335

Unread post by tipu sultan » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:19 pm

Tanzania has 3000 Bohra families

On average each will have contributed $1000 minimum

SMS will have collected more than $3,000,000 cash gifts

SMS donates $53,000 or 2% or less to Tanzania govt

Big deal



Mkenya
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#336

Unread post by Mkenya » Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:42 am

SMS's donation of $53,000 to the President of Tanzania is only the tip of the iceberg. Unbeknownst to us are vast sums to grease for honorary degrees, VIP services at airports, and so on.

Underlying this nefarious activity are the spinoffs for local dons (example: Hebatullahs of Kenya) who get preferential treatment in securing government contracts, easement in tax evasion, land amassing under dubious undertakings, and so on.

All this is nothing new, 'wise' Abdes are aware of it. In the meantime let us watch the 'Ashara' hoopla with awe, like the teasing of a sari stripper, with the finale of the woolly-woolly!

Bohris are 'eij lagna'.



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#337

Unread post by I Rizwan » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:44 am

In the meantime let us watch the 'Ashara' hoopla with awe, like the teasing of a sari stripper, with the finale of the woolly-woolly!
omg :lol:



think
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#338

Unread post by think » Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:04 am

bohris are in a rush to reach Karachi, wearing their small brothers pyjama(izaar) and elder brothers kurta



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#339

Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:48 pm

think wrote:bohris are in a rush to reach Karachi, wearing their small brothers pyjama(izaar) and elder brothers kurta
lol that's what deobandis wear not bohris. You've been watching Tarek fatah a bit too much



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#340

Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:08 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
tipu sultan wrote:She literally said Maula kept her loved one alive for as long as he wanted and took him away when he wanted. No mention of word Allah.

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this is nothing new. when you ask any abde/amte nowadays, "kem chho?" they reply "mola ni dua chhe". no alhamdollilah, no khuda no shukr chhe. it is mola who is more superior to allah.
dumb idiot
mola ni dua che,,that means moula is doing dua for u..moula is asking from allah...how does that mean moula is allah..ull bark anythng ane everyone will believe is it,,,,,,haraamkhor saala...
i am sure u know the meaning of haramkhor



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#341

Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:10 am

tipu sultan wrote:Tanzania has 3000 Bohra families

On average each will have contributed $1000 minimum

SMS will have collected more than $3,000,000 cash gifts

SMS donates $53,000 or 2% or less to Tanzania govt

Big deal
Be realistic bro,In no town 3000 families can give 1000$ each..



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#342

Unread post by humanbeing » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:59 am

guy_sam2005 wrote:Be realistic bro,In no town 3000 families can give 1000$ each..

have faith in kothari agents, they have the skills and ways to extract/squeeze every cent possible from abdes.



think
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#343

Unread post by think » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:27 pm

abdes are frolicking all over karachi for the preparations while he is enjoying a holiday in Naran since he is tired with people kissing his hand. All this hoopla by the money churning sheikhs and abdes in my opinion is a waste of time and money. For once and just once if he can show me areal proof of his closeness to Allah, just one genuine miracle would be enough and I mean genuine no drama bazi and foolishness in the name of mojeza.
Just him walking on the cool crystal clear waters of Naran river would be good enough.



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#344

Unread post by Maqbool » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:09 pm

i am sure u know the meaning of haramkhor
Yes, haramkhor is the one, who doesn't work and live on some one else money. Hope you have understood who is haramkhor?



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#345

Unread post by think » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:22 am

bohris are fooled into believing he has spritual powers. I say give me a small example reinforce my belief if you are what you say you are i.e. the true representative of Allah on earth. Now since there are two claimants to the same post definitely bohris atleast those who still can think are asking questions. Will all this hoopla ,and show bazi dampen the thinkers . I seriously hope not. Before i put my faith in a mortal I would strengthen my faith in Allah and beieve in him in whatever befalls me rather than relying on some phoonkh and pani.



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#346

Unread post by think » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:23 am

bohris are fooled into believing he has spritual powers. I say give me a small example reinforce my belief if you are what you say you are i.e. the true representative of Allah on earth. Now since there are two claimants to the same post definitely bohris atleast those who still can think are asking questions. Will all this hoopla ,and show bazi dampen the thinkers . I seriously hope not. Before i put my faith in a mortal I would strengthen my faith in Allah and believe in him in whatever befalls me rather than relying on some phoonkh and pani.



Al Zulfiqar
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#347

Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:27 pm

guy_sam2005 wrote:..ull bark anythng ane everyone will believe is it,,,,,,haraamkhor saala...
i am sure u know the meaning of haramkhor
guy sam, thanks for proving that birds of a feather stick together...!!! :lol:



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#348

Unread post by guy_sam2005 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:50 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
guy_sam2005 wrote:..ull bark anythng ane everyone will believe is it,,,,,,haraamkhor saala...
i am sure u know the meaning of haramkhor
guy sam, thanks for proving that birds of a feather stick together...!!! :lol:
Whats new you prove with every quote of yours..i just gave u a drop of ur own medicine....



Al Zulfiqar
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#349

Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:15 am

jaahil,

your leader lives a life of ayyashi on haraam income, with that easy money looted by force even from widows and orphans, he goes on a murderous spree killing wild animals in africa to satisfy his thirst for blood, he charters entire planes to fly himself and his family, and then poses like a mannequin with cheap politicians of 3rd world countries after offering them bribes... he utters laanats and threats against his own kaka and cousins. this is the despicable leader you support. what does that make you? someone who supports a zaalim, haraami and kaafir is himself one.

can you get that into your cement-filled head, or does one have to hammer some foundation bolts in it for you to see some sense?

pata nahin kahan kahan se chaley aatey hai ehmak yahan,...



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#350

Unread post by tipu sultan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:49 pm

AZ bhai since Ramazan SMS has been busy attending religious duty and as ambassador of peace travelled and met dignitaries, visited homes to listen to welwishers hardships in middle east, Africa and Pakistan. While he without rest prepares for a gruelling mourning decathlon let us acknowledge his success

Can we get a report what scholarly or religious breakthrough he has achieved that mankind will benefit.

He probably is worthy of another award



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#351

Unread post by Biradar » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:44 pm

tipu sultan wrote: He probably is worthy of another award
I agree! I think Dawedar Mr. Muffy Saifuddin (DMMS), also known as More-la Muffy by his adoring followers, deserves many awards. In fact, Brain Dead Abdes should propose his name for Nobel Prize in Peace, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Economics. In fact, every year from now onwards, all Nobel Prizes should be awarded to More-la Muffy. No award whatsoever should be given to anyone but More-la Muffy. Brain Dead Abdes should petition UN to have all Olympic medalists to surrender their gold, silver and bronze medals to More-la Muffy. Why not? He is the best at everything!



Al Zulfiqar
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#352

Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:33 am

biradar my friend,

you may well jest, but moron muffy winning all awards of all countries in all fields is now eminently possible, esp, after this latest invention of his - THE GREEN BAND!!! i have already detailed some of its possible uses on another thread, but more ideas suggesting innovative and novel uses are flying in thick and fast.. :idea: :oops:

i will be compiling all of them after examining them for their soundness and feasibility and then post them here.

surely we live in a fast changing world where the big samosa is personally leading all high tech research with his far-reaching vision..



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#353

Unread post by Kaka Akela » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:53 pm

Why do we have so many retards in Saify mahal is due to intense in-breeding from the 46th dai onwards which is like over 200 years.
also why we don't have any great Muslims as we used to do like poets, writers, statesmen, artist, orators is due to in-breeding for last 1400 years. Pls read the article below :

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/0 ... of-incest/



alam
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#354

Unread post by alam » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:58 pm

Kakaji, The retards in Saifee mahal are not due to inbreeding alone - nor is terrorism or violence restricted to one factor alone. In fact sociologists and psychologists have yet to refine reliable predictors of individuals at risk for violence - leave aside groups. The reference you cited by the Danish psychologist is flawed on many grounds . . .
So let's not jump the gun, its likely that both you and I and thousands of other Bohras are products of inbreeding as well. Also the study doesn't take into account terror perpetrated by different religious groups or races or whites. The study is an excellent example of Danish islamophobia.

As far as the retards in Saifee mahal go, they are actually highly intelligent sophisticated educated people who have grown up in a culture of elitism, entitlement, belief in their own supremacy over spiritual and supernatural powers. In the last few hundred years, power and greed for money became family values that were passed down through generations as well. And now power and greed is spreading among the kothar staff, aamils, Jameea pandits, burhani guards, etc etc etc.

However, Kakaji, I agree that some in Saifee mahal are definite retards, just like some in most families can be. Muffaddal Maula has shown the world how much a retard can accomplish or get away with the right stooges surrounding him to implement a more sinister and evil machinery to brainwash the Bohras into cult hood.



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#355

Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:38 am

Fake Dai no mojizo created by KUTTA KHOTTA KOTHAAR na office bearers.
I hope the So called 54th American Dai Taher Fakhruddin is reading this thread, instead of sitting on hes fat ass enjoying moominins GALLA money that he shares from the culprit 51st Dai Taher Saifuddins Grave.
Boy, get out of your Darus Sakina Mahall and do something, cant you see, your cousin brother, theief of all thieves, Moron Mufaddal Saifuddin, Son of your Chacha, is raking havoc in Bohra world and abusing your dead father left right and centre, man, have some guts, instead of keeping shtum, get that nipple out of your mouth, or have you accepted the multi billion Dollar property shares from your Chor brother Qaeed chor bs?
Saala tamara logo nu bhalu puchu, like in politics, you Saifee Mahal rats are so poisonous that tomorrow, you'll all become one again and do AWO MEIN TAMNE GALE LAGAWILAW , religious leaders should never be trusted.
Chor ka bhai ghanti chor.
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Forwarded as received.
Burhanpur ma ek mozizo thayo. Ek bhen ne mozizo thai rahyo tho ehna ma dawedar ayo burhanuddin maula se maafi mangi rahyo tho. kahe k mai ye tamne ghani taklif puhchawi che mane maaf kari do. mai janu cho k aap ye bhai mufaddal ne nas kidi che mgr mai ek bairo na kehwa ma avi gayo maula mane najat dilavi do mai ghani taklif ma chu. bhai maula aap to ghana narm dil na cho mgr bhai mufaddal to jalal na saheb che jem abbas-e- almdar che em mufddal maula che. aap mane maaf kari do ane bhai mufddal ne kahi do mane maf kari de.mari jaan ma ghani taklif che. Tame mane maaf karso tou mufaddal bhi mane maaf kari dese. em kahi dawedar chalo gayu.
Khuda awa shaan na aqa ane (shaitaan) maula ni umar shareef ne ta-roze qayamat daraz ane daraz karjo. Ameen



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#356

Unread post by think » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:56 am

this religion is play and amusement.



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#357

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:05 am

Brother Yamani your vitriol rings hollow. I hear an empty vessel making a lot of loud and ugly noise. How much support have you shown to STF to help him defeat MS? It appears to me that it is you who is sitting on his fat ass. Also the chances of STF and MS coming back together are the same as those of hell freezing over.

Also the mojeza is stupid. Last night I dreamed that MS spoke five whole sentences that made sense and were not contradictictory. Now THAT's a mojeza :roll:



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#358

Unread post by SBM » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:21 am

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Also the chances of STF and MS coming back together are the same as those of hell freezing over.
Objectiveobserver 53
I would have agreed with you but for people like Taizoon Shakir who exposed the inner working of Saify Mahal and was totally dedicated to STF and SKQ camps but when going got tough, he went and joined the SMS camp and flushed all his PRINCIPLES and MORAL values he talked about.
So you see anything is possible



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#359

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:47 am

SBM wrote:.
Also the chances of STF and MS coming back together are the same as those of hell freezing over.
Objectiveobserver 53
I would have agreed with you but for people like Taizoon Shakir who exposed the inner working of Saify Mahal and was totally dedicated to STF and SKQ camps but when going got tough, he went and joined the SMS camp and flushed all his PRINCIPLES and MORAL values he talked about.
So you see anything is possible
Well let me tell you, there is a world of a difference between what someone such as Taizoon Shakir (who has flip flopped many times under duress from MS) does vs. how people who act on principle alone will do. If the Qutbuddins were going to succumb, they would have succumbed a long long time ago. That ship has certainly sailed. Instead what we see is that they continue to fight the false claim made by MS and they are going about quietly building their community. Those who think otherwise are either not reading Sijill, are not visiting the Fatemi Dawat website or are not talking to STF followers among them.



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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:39 pm

Shk Mohammed Yamani wrote:Fake Dai no mojizo created by KUTTA KHOTTA KOTHAAR na office bearers.
I hope the So called 54th American Dai Taher Fakhruddin is reading this thread, instead of sitting on hes fat ass enjoying moominins GALLA money that he shares from the culprit 51st Dai Taher Saifuddins Grave.
Boy, get out of your Darus Sakina Mahall and do something, cant you see, your cousin brother, theief of all thieves, Moron Mufaddal Saifuddin, Son of your Chacha, is raking havoc in Bohra world and abusing your dead father left right and centre, man, have some guts, instead of keeping shtum, get that nipple out of your mouth, or have you accepted the multi billion Dollar property shares from your Chor brother Qaeed chor bs?
Saala tamara logo nu bhalu puchu, like in politics, you Saifee Mahal rats are so poisonous that tomorrow, you'll all become one again and do AWO MEIN TAMNE GALE LAGAWILAW , religious leaders should never be trusted.
Chor ka bhai ghanti chor.
___________________________________________

Forwarded as received.
Burhanpur ma ek mozizo thayo. Ek bhen ne mozizo thai rahyo tho ehna ma dawedar ayo burhanuddin maula se maafi mangi rahyo tho. kahe k mai ye tamne ghani taklif puhchawi che mane maaf kari do. mai janu cho k aap ye bhai mufaddal ne nas kidi che mgr mai ek bairo na kehwa ma avi gayo maula mane najat dilavi do mai ghani taklif ma chu. bhai maula aap to ghana narm dil na cho mgr bhai mufaddal to jalal na saheb che jem abbas-e- almdar che em mufddal maula che. aap mane maaf kari do ane bhai mufddal ne kahi do mane maf kari de.mari jaan ma ghani taklif che. Tame mane maaf karso tou mufaddal bhi mane maaf kari dese. em kahi dawedar chalo gayu.
Khuda awa shaan na aqa ane (shaitaan) maula ni umar shareef ne ta-roze qayamat daraz ane daraz karjo. Ameen

What do you want STF to do? He is pursuing the case in court (I think). I don't know if it will go ahead or what the result will be, or how long it will take. And meanwhile they are carrying along. That is what civil folks would do. Now it up to people like us (and I include myself in this group) that has to come out and support him. And we are not doing it.

We need to stand up and say that what is happening under SMS is not right. To me it is also clear that they (STF side) have some "proof" - else why would SMS and his brothers say in court that SMB can ignore STS vasiyat. That suggest there may be such a vasiyat. Now bohra folks should ask the question: If there is such a vasiyat, would SMB ignore what his father asked him to do? Even 40+ years after STS's death, I have heard SMB in waiz remember his father in the most cherished way. And why should we believe people with no official position (remember QJ and his brothers had no official position like a mukasir) in the dawat? And those with obvious self interest? And we should ask the question, as Husain BS (STF's brother) did in the waiz 2 days back:If a dai tells somebody to do a specific thing as a trust, would anybody (let alone another dai) ignore it?

But none of us as raising our voice and are all silently accepting it, and then we blame STF?
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First SMS-side said they are not presenting proof. Now that it appears that there may be some proof, they are saying it does not matter. And meanwhile time is passing and when the result will come, it may be old news to some folks, and most people are likely to never accept STF. Hey, sadly it has been a great learning :( :(

May be they will get control of some mosque, and then people will re-consider? Who knows.