Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by canadian » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:33 pm

^ ^
Saif53:
Biradar bhai may or may not accept that he is confused; but can you kindly explain your master's (SMS') changing tunes regarding SKQ.
kimanumanu wrote:Maybe he can also explain the various colours of his master SMS .... from gulam of Mazoon, to dawat na dushman, to gale lagawis, to laanat on kakaji ..... what did he use to say during misaq?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:44 pm

Excellent article in SijilL this week. Felt like sharing.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا

(Surat al-Ma’ida: 32)

He who kills an innocent soul then it is as if he has killed all of mankind. And he who gives life to a soul, it is as if he has saved all of mankind.

The turbulent world we live in is often disturbing. Especially in light of the deplorable acts being carried out in the name of religion. News of attacks in which scores of innocent lives are lost appear to be unending. In the Ayat quoted above, the Qur’an Majeed declares that the killing of one innocent soul is the killing of all humanity (Surat al-Ma’ida: 32). In addition to the ta’wil significance of this Ayat, on the literal level it establishes unequivocally that the killing of innocents is completely unjustifiable and utterly un-Islamic.

In reality, the people carrying out such attacks are the worst enemies of Islam. They have accused a large majority of Muslims of being un-Islamic or even apostates and unbelievers (kafir), while they rain their completely un-Islamic horrors on innocent individuals, including Muslims. For every murder of innocents in the West, they have also murdered thousands of Muslims in the Middle East and Asia, especially Shi’a Muslims. Rasulullah SA said, “a Muslim is someone whose tongue and hand no other Muslim fears. A Muslim is brother to a Muslim; he neither oppresses him nor hands him over. Muslims are a united front, like one hand.” Another version of this Hadith is, “a Muslim is someone whose tongue and hand no people fear.” Neither of these descriptions apply to the perpetrators of attacks on innocents in the name of Islam. The damage they have done to the repute and honor of the Islamic Umma is immeasurable.

The attacks are a manifestation of an extremist and fundamentalist ideology that is completely alien to our own beliefs.

Our ideology – the Fatimid ideology - is that of plurality and tolerance: to live with conviction by our beliefs and values and let others live by theirs. This ideology is based in our philosophical view of the world which manifested itself most strongly when the Fatimids ruled a vast empire for over two hundred years. The following excerpt from a paper published on Fatemidawat.com last year is worth quoting (“A Foundation for Islamic Tolerance: Reflections on the Concept of the Universality of Religions in Fatimid Thought, Policy and Practice”):

The Fatimid definition and understanding of pluralism is not indifference or an acceptance that all beliefs are necessarily valid and therefore it is simply a matter of cultural difference or a matter of fate as to which religion one follows. Pluralism is a firm belief – with confidence – in one’s faith and identity, with the recognition and respect of the unified origin and the shared values of others. This understanding and recognition – not simply pragmatism – is the key to tolerance and interactive peaceful and fruitful co-existence.

Such an understanding and recognition leads to a move from the term tolerance to respect. Tolerance insinuates an innate dislike for the other, and has its underpinnings in the pragmatic sufferance that is dictated by necessity. Respect on the other hand, demonstrates that confidence in one’s own belief system and identity, but at the same time an acknowledgment of the divine origins of all faiths and the recognition of our shared human values. These values are universal to all religions preached by Prophets: honesty, integrity, sincerity and love for mankind. The 51st Fatimid-Tayyibi Dai who espouses the Fatimid philosophy of the Universality of Religions, expresses the source of his respect for other religions in a verse in one of his Qasidas:

There is no religion but within it there are some words from the people of Truth from ages past.

In today’s world, there are many elements and groups that use religious principles to justify the persecution and even the waging of an ungodly war. These groups are very vocal in advertising the religious justification of their belligerency to anyone who even slightly deviates from their system of belief. In this context it is vital that those of us who, contrary to that, find within our religious principles the roadmap for peaceful and respectful coexistence, unapologetically make known our principles through our words and our actions.



By adhering to the true Islamic values and respecting others, each of us, each Muslim, can be an ambassador of Islam. By doing so, each Muslim can do their part to prevent the hijacking of the name of our religion by a fundamentalist ideology that is entirely un-Islamic. The Ayat quoted above continues that he who gives life to one soul is like giving life to the entire human race (Surat al-Ma’ida: 32). Each individual counts.

We thank and praise Allah Ta’ala that He guided us to the true values of Islam through his Prophet, his successors and their Du’at. Syedna Qutbuddin TUS preaches these values and practices them. May Allah Ta’ala give us the strength to follow his example. May we also have the strength to detect and stay away from such ideologies and ideologues. Let us also strive to protect the name of our community by adhering to its true values and philosophies. Let us pray that Allah Ta’ala grants Syedna Qutbuddin TUS Nasre-Aziz and Fathe-Mubeen so that by his life giving presence, the multitudes are saved. May Allah Ta’ala grant him a long and healthy life till qiyaamat.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:55 pm

I completely believe in the ayah that you have posted and fully agree with you that anyone who kills an innocent muslim is not a muslim and is bound for hell. However, i do not believe that fatimid ideology is the right one. I believe fatimid ideolgy teaches idol worship and not tawheed.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Sufi monk » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:35 pm

So khuzaima qutbuddin? whos the successor?

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Unread post by Saif53 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:00 pm

Rumours say it would be Taher Qutbuddin.

This would be a good time for the Qutbi Bohras to reevaluate their understanding of Nass and how it should take place.
KQ's claim broke all the rules.
And, most likely, Taher may have to bend them even more.

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Unread post by qjbj » Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:38 pm

Now the real show will begin......MS has not only bent but broken all the rules. Taher the Tiger is going to show the MS toli what it will be like to play in the Tiger's den.

Now go update your 53...reasons BS blog

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Saif53 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:22 pm

FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG:
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/03 ... eader.html
The Next Qutbi Bohra Leader
Khuzaima Qutbuddin expired on 31 March 2016.

In the "Na’ye" email sent by the Fatemi Dawat Website sent a few moments ago, it announced that KQ has appointed his eldest son, Taher as his successor.
Quoting their email:

Syedna Qutbuddin RA has left in our midst his successor, his Shehzada to whom Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA gave the name Taher, the Mubarak name of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA. Syedna Qutbuddin RA personally prepared his beloved son and made him like him in knowledge and character. This year on the 27th of Muharram, the urus Mubarak of Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed RA, Syedna Qutbuddin RA appointed Syedna Taher as his successor and granted him the laqab Fakhruddin. At that moment Maulana Qutbuddin advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential and gave the witnesses the handwritten letter of Nass.

The new Nass now has witnesses, and a document.

There have been multiple different Nusoos on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.

In 1388H, Syedna RA informed witnesses and prepared a "handwritten letter of Nass". Syedna RA "advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential".
In 1426H, London, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA informed Shehzada Qaid Johar Bs, and Shehzada Malik al Ashtar Bs of this Nass. Syedna RA "advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential".
Syedna RA also gave Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin RA a "handwritten letter of Nass"

Enemies of Dawat throughout history have always aimed to copy the Haq ni Dawat, and form a parallel imitated system.
Although there can be no comparison with the Haq na Saheb's Nass - why is it that the Qutbi Bohras reject the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, when the Qutbi Bohras are are basing Taher's claim on the exact same method? Why is one (according to the Qutbis) doubtful, and the other acceptable?
When a Nass letter was produced, the Qutbis said "Especially with today’s technology, it is not impossible to alter documents and recordings."
When the Shehzadas were made witnesses, the Qutbis said "On the other hand, sons of Nabis, Imams,
and Duat have often revolted and done fitnat and started firqas."
Why these double standards when this is the identical basis for Taher's claim! Isn't this actually how Nass should be conducted? Nass & Tawqeef.

It does seem that Taher's alleged Nass is more 'by the book' than KQ's. Since KQ's claim is baseless, Taher's doesn't hold any weight either.
During these troubled times, I request the Qutbi Bohras to reevaluate their position and understanding in relation to KQ's claim. They will realize it is baseless and against Fatemi tenets.

The only Nass & Tawqeef of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA - was on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.
May Allah TA grant him a long and healthy life. Ameen

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Unread post by seeker110 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:38 pm

A sad day for the lawyers, or maybe, not.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:27 am

Saif53 wrote:FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG:
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/03 ... eader.html

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Syedna RA also gave Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin RA a "handwritten letter of Nass"

means he was knowing that he was mansoos since long time, then why was he surprised when QJ announced his name in london as mansoos.
there is bayan of him and many shz that he was surprised and began chanting some words when QJ and MA went to his residence to announce his name as successor.

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Unread post by Saif53 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:51 am

"then why was he surprised"

Focus on the whole story.
He wasn't surprised.
He was concerned about Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's RA health.

But then again, I wouldn't expect a 52nd Dai hating person like you to understand anything related to the Dawat.

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Unread post by asad » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:50 am

Saif53 wrote:"then why was he surprised"

Focus on the whole story.
He wasn't surprised.
He was concerned about Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's RA health.

But then again, I wouldn't expect a 52nd Dai hating person like you to understand anything related to the Dawat.
Thanks for confirming that it was a story.

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:56 am

^
Good One Br Asad :lol:

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Unread post by Aminullah » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:03 am

Saif53 wrote:"then why was he surprised"

Focus on the whole story.
He wasn't surprised.
He was concerned about Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's RA health.

But then again, I wouldn't expect a 52nd Dai hating person like you to understand anything related to the Dawat.
get better script writers you will need many such fake "stories" for future.

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Unread post by Saif53 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:12 am

Children.

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:31 am

Saif53 wrote:Children.
So then , based on their(Jamea students and ustaads) actions and your attitude, should we call you "Junglee Aadivaasi" or African tribes...or just plain immature creatures..cause there was no Humanity in your action and dancing...Disgusting

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Unread post by Saif53 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:38 pm

FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/04 ... art-2.html
Dear Mr Taher - Part 2
(Continued from Dear Mr Taher - Part 1)

WITNESSES
Nass can only be established by Nass & Tawqeef (Read more in this LINK).
Simply put, Tawqeef means making the Nass known to a third person (a witness) - the act of identifying and appointing the mansoos to someone other than the mansoos himself.

According to Fatemi Fiqeh, the technical definition of the term shaahid (witness) is "a person who says “I saw or I heard etc etc”.
(Ref Syedna Qadi Noman RA (Sharh al Akhbar Volume 1)

Although this seems quite simple, it is the basic fundamental that the Qutbis have forgotten. KQ never had any witnesses - therefore there was no valid Nass. Even if he later claimed to have witnesses - none of them could be termed "witnesses" because - as per the above bayaan - they had not testified yet.

Similarly, in regards to the alleged nass on Taher, the Fatemi Dawat site claims:

"At that moment Maulana Qutbuddin advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential"

Here's the issue that needs clarification:

A shaahid (witness) is "a person who says “I saw or I heard etc etc”. Until and unless one of those people actually testify to this alleged nass, they cannot be termed "witnesses".
In Taher's first speech, he claims that KQ's wife, Mrs Sakina Qutbuddin was a "witness" to this alleged Nass. Taher refuses to name the others.
In the case of a wasiyyat (bequest), Islamic fiqeh requires a minimum of 2 witnesses.
Who's the second or the other "witness"?
The Quran also states:
فَإِنْ لَمْ يَكُونَا رَجُلَيْنِ فَرَجُلٌ وَامْرَأَتَانِ مِمَّنْ تَرْضَوْنَ مِنْ الشُّهَدَاءِ (Surah al Baqarah Ayat 282)
If 2 Male cannot be present, then 1 male plus TWO FEMALE witnesses are required. According to the Qutbi version, (along with Mrs Sakina) they would require one more female and one male to testify to this alleged Nass. The testimony of Mrs Sakina alone is not acceptable.
Only once they testify, they can be termed "witnesses". Not before.
For example, after the London Nass in Cromwell hospital, Shehzada al Qaid Johar Bs, and Shehzada Malik al Ashtar Bs gave their testimony in regards to the Nass. In light of Fatemi Fiqeh, they are "witnesses" in every sense of the word.


PRIVATE NASS
On the 5th of Moharram 1436H, Taher Qutbuddin brought up the issue of 'validity of Nass without any witnesses'. He attempted to substantiate his argument by referring to the zikr of Sulaiman Nabi AS. For this he refers to the Taweel (esoteric meanings) of the zikr of Sulaiman Nabi AS from the azeem kitab - Asaas al Taweel by Syedna al Qadi Noman RA.
He claimed that Sulaiman Nabi AS did not not make his Nass on his Mansoos public, and He did not inform his Hudood of his wishes (this is only half of the true story). He then goes on to erroneously connect the zikr of Sulaiman Nabi AS with the alleged 'private' Nass on the 8th Dai, and finally jumps to the conclusion that Khuzaima Qutbuddin's 'private' Nass is thus, valid.

Taher deliberately only relates half of the entire story. If only he had read and understood the very next few lines (on the same page!), he would have realized his mistake.

The complete story is very simple and tears Taher's claim to shreds. Sulaiman Nabi AS performed a Public Nass amoungst witnesses. A refutation of his claim can be found in the following LINK:
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2014/11 ... bi-as.html

The above article was posted in 1436H as a means to expose the lies of the Qutbi Bohras. How KQ, his children and "academic" team categorically twisted dawat texts for their own agenda.

Now that Taher himself is the 2nd all-knowing Qutbi Bohra leader, the onus is on him to support his own claims. Numerous messages have been sent to Taher and the Fatemi Dawat team requesting at least ONE reference to their version of Sulaiman Nabi's AS history. Till date, the Qutbi Bohras have failed to provide one tiny shred of evidence.

Taher deliberately twisted Dawat bayaans. He gave wrong tasawwur.
Following the footsteps of his father, Taher lied. Like father like son.

(MORE DISCUSSIONS WILL CONTINUE IN PART 3 OF THIS POST)

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Unread post by ajamali » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:51 pm

^^^^Blah blah blah bla blah. Does anyone read this? I have not read a word. In fact I saw the name on the post and decided to respond. It's not enough that they drown us in their propaganda in the masjid that they now have to come here and spew their venom! Enough already!!!! Enough!!!! Is this a religion? Shame on you!

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Unread post by Wajid » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:07 pm

Salam saifbhai trepan,

What is your problem in life ?
First convince yourself (which I'm sure you are not ) of the authenticity of Nass dramas on MS (stories) that you guys have scripted in different versions and edited multiple times.

قَالَ بَلْ سَوَّلَتْ لَكُمْ أَنفُسُكُمْ أَمْرًا فَصَبْرٌ جَمِيلٌ وَاللّهُ الْمُسْتَعَانُ عَلَى مَا تَصِفُونَ (12:18)
"Nay, but it is your [own] minds that have made [so terrible] a happening seem a matter of little account to you! But [as for myself,] patience in adversity is most goodly [in the sight of God]; and it is to God [alone] that I pray to give me strength to bear the misfortune which you have described to me."

Never mind ...

Please stop worrying about us. We are happy to be where we are Alhamdilillah. Enjoy, you the respite that has been granted.

Fi Amanillah

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Unread post by james » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:06 pm

Wajid wrote:

Please stop worrying about us. We are happy to be where we are Alhamdilillah. Enjoy, you the respite that has been granted.
Strange that you are not defending and debating and clearly running away from brilliant/factual/clear points put up on the blog.

If you have access to Husain Qutbuddin,could you please ask him if he agrees with the ways of Taher Qutbuddin ( Deliberately not using Fakhruddin as I feel Taher has pulled a fast one and usurped Khuzaima's administrative seat.Lots of fishy stuff in his nass story. )

Husain Qutbuddin didn't like the way transportation was used for facilitation of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA's janaza mubarak.I am sure giving him the benefit of being fair and not an hypocrite,he must have hated the way Khuzaima's body was transported from USA to India. I am sure he must have felt disgusted by the brownie point seeking stunt of Helicopter above the Bhendi Bazar area (If at all true.)

Ciao.

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:14 pm

james, I have three questions for you and I hope you will reply them straight. (though I doubt, but lets try)

1) do you really believe mufaddal saifuddin is dai e imam zaman? (if yes on what basis?)

2) do you agree mufaddal saiffuddin is ayyash and misusing dawat funds in his ayyashi? (you should already know his trips and other expenses already)

3) what is qualification of mufaddal saifuddin to be dai? (please dont say its just because his father was dai, give some factual reasons)

Thank You

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Unread post by Qadir » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:48 am

Aminullah wrote:james, I have three questions for you and I hope you will reply them straight. (though I doubt, but lets try)

1) do you really believe mufaddal saifuddin is dai e imam zaman? (if yes on what basis?)

2) do you agree mufaddal saiffuddin is ayyash and misusing dawat funds in his ayyashi? (you should already know his trips and other expenses already)

3) what is qualification of mufaddal saifuddin to be dai? (please dont say its just because his father was dai, give some factual reasons)

Thank You
I dont know what james would believe but this is my point of view:

1. Yes i do believe that SMS is dai e imaam uz zamaan because he is Hafiz e Quran, does nice waaz in which i get tears in my eyes, i have personally did araz regarding my health and it resulted in betterment of my health. Also a dai has that spirituality which one can see only when he wants to believe.

2. Using the wird Ayyash is inappropriate. Yes he spends bit more than normal public but he also works that hard. For eg.
Tell me one thing do you feel tired if you recite salawaat 100-200 times coz i do. SMS takes around 200-300 misaqs in a day sometimes. That is why i think sometimes spending more is ok for him.

3. Well he is Hafiz e quraan, he is graduated from Jamea, he was Amir ul Jamea, Also because he recieves ilm directly from Imam, he has the knowledge of 'Haqiqat na Bayaan' so i do consider him apt for becoming a dai.

These are strongly my thoughts.
QADIR

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:56 am

1. Yes i do believe that SMS is dai e imaam uz zamaan because he is Hafiz e Quran, does nice waaz in which i get tears in my eyes, i have personally did araz regarding my health and it resulted in betterment of my health. Also a dai has that spirituality which one can see only when he wants to believe.
Thank you at least you tried

do you realize how many people in Islamic world is hafiz e quran? do you realize how many people are better orator than mufaddal? do you realize all his bayan are written by some one else still he makes goof and cant read from papers? do you realize zindagi/maut/shifa is only in hands of ALLAH and believing some body else gave you shifa is biggest form of SHIRK and you must repent ASAP?

do you realize you need brain before spirituality to see truth?
2. Using the wird Ayyash is inappropriate. Yes he spends bit more than normal public but he also works that hard. For eg.
Tell me one thing do you feel tired if you recite salawaat 100-200 times coz i do. SMS takes around 200-300 misaqs in a day sometimes. That is why i think sometimes spending more is ok for him.
do you realize one who uses haraam kaa paisa which he has not earned is called "Ayyash"?

do you realize salawaat comes from true heart and love and no I dont feel tired reading sawalaat even if its for 10,000 times in one go, coz I truely love Muhammed(s) and his progeny.

do you realize misaaq has no Islamic value specially if mufaddal is taking misaaq for his own benefits and not for Imam uz zamaan?

do you realize ishaarfi (extravaganza is never okay in Islam, Muhammed (s) never spent more money than he earned thinking its okay okay because he is prophet and nabi of Allah.)
3. Well he is Hafiz e quraan, he is graduated from Jamea, he was Amir ul Jamea, Also because he recieves ilm directly from Imam, he has the knowledge of 'Haqiqat na Bayaan' so i do consider him apt for becoming a dai.
do you realize jamiyaa is his baap ki university and he can get away with any certificate and marks he wants?

do you realize he holds not a single genuine degree from secular institute which can prove he is smart enough to run community?

do you realize he knows nothing but shiit and cant even explain a single Quran verse without taking help from his bayan writers?

(I can write and write on, but I think you must have got an idea)

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Unread post by Maqbool » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:06 am

SMS takes around 200-300 misaqs in a day sometimes. 

do you know that the misaqs he takes is on chargeable basis.

2. Using the wird Ayyash is inappropriate. Yes he spends bit more than normal public but he also works that hard. 

Is it! He pockets all mumenins' money and again force them to spend extra money for his ayyasi.

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:50 am

Even if we go with Qadir logic, I wonder how much Syedi Fakhruddin shahheed and Syeedna Qutbuddin shahiid charged for the deeni services they did for dawat.

Service for dawat should be FREE of charge and all dai must produce their own money to live.


:?

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:02 am

Conning people is hard work. To fool people all the time does require hard work, skill, perseverance
Maqbool wrote:SMS takes around 200-300 misaqs in a day sometimes. 

do you know that the misaqs he takes is on chargeable basis.

2. Using the wird Ayyash is inappropriate. Yes he spends bit more than normal public but he also works that hard. 

Is it! He pockets all mumenins' money and again force them to spend extra money for his ayyasi.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:28 am

universalfool/Qadir/james went to pool party with their master?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by zinger » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:56 pm

Aminullah wrote:
1. Yes i do believe that SMS is dai e imaam uz zamaan because he is Hafiz e Quran, does nice waaz in which i get tears in my eyes, i have personally did araz regarding my health and it resulted in betterment of my health. Also a dai has that spirituality which one can see only when he wants to believe.
Thank you at least you tried

do you realize how many people in Islamic world is hafiz e quran? do you realize how many people are better orator than mufaddal? do you realize all his bayan are written by some one else still he makes goof and cant read from papers? do you realize zindagi/maut/shifa is only in hands of ALLAH and believing some body else gave you shifa is biggest form of SHIRK and you must repent ASAP?

do you realize you need brain before spirituality to see truth?
2. Using the wird Ayyash is inappropriate. Yes he spends bit more than normal public but he also works that hard. For eg.
Tell me one thing do you feel tired if you recite salawaat 100-200 times coz i do. SMS takes around 200-300 misaqs in a day sometimes. That is why i think sometimes spending more is ok for him.
do you realize one who uses haraam kaa paisa which he has not earned is called "Ayyash"?

do you realize salawaat comes from true heart and love and no I dont feel tired reading sawalaat even if its for 10,000 times in one go, coz I truely love Muhammed(s) and his progeny.

do you realize misaaq has no Islamic value specially if mufaddal is taking misaaq for his own benefits and not for Imam uz zamaan?

do you realize ishaarfi (extravaganza is never okay in Islam, Muhammed (s) never spent more money than he earned thinking its okay okay because he is prophet and nabi of Allah.)
3. Well he is Hafiz e quraan, he is graduated from Jamea, he was Amir ul Jamea, Also because he recieves ilm directly from Imam, he has the knowledge of 'Haqiqat na Bayaan' so i do consider him apt for becoming a dai.
do you realize jamiyaa is his baap ki university and he can get away with any certificate and marks he wants?

do you realize he holds not a single genuine degree from secular institute which can prove he is smart enough to run community?

do you realize he knows nothing but shiit and cant even explain a single Quran verse without taking help from his bayan writers?

(I can write and write on, but I think you must have got an idea)

You my friend, are just "incredible"

You can give up the act now pal. i saw through your disguise last week.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by yfm » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:32 pm

I see the same names. Why are not hearing from fresh blood. May be they are listening to nice waaz :mrgreen:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by yfm » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:35 pm

I like to hear from others how they believe that Mufti is the wise dai. May be he is the smart khicha Kali wala :roll:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by JC » Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:40 pm

YFN,

I am an old member, lately I have been just reading ..........

I am totally against this clown Muffatia and his chor brothers ......... to me KQ was lesser evil, he should have been a chance! So I am willing to listen to his son as well.

I am against this theocracy; our community has become a cult in the hands of these so-called Qasr-e-Mawalli goons. The community needs democracy.......... accountability and transparency, else it is doomed. We have become sheep and zombies ........ just look at us :(

Look at the WhatsApp messages and you will judge our level and level of our 'Rulers' ........ today's top text has been that Maula received and reviewed the 'report' on men-making rotis in various cities..!!!! that's it??!! Every day abdes and amtes send messages and texts passing 'mubarakbads' on one occasion or other .......... and that the day/event or anything should be Mubarak and Mohana to Maula.... that's it..!!!

To sum up Bohras live in a well and have no idea that there is an ocean outside!!