Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by seeker110 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:47 pm

People who are selfish will talk of compromise and choose the least evil option. They must have closed their eyes and minds to the sufferings of the poor, old yateem and bewa. Numerous amount of needy people are going without basics necessities.

When Mukhtar's father heard about the Shahadat of Alle rasul in Karbala, he sat out in the sun and vowed to stay out until the Katil were killed for their evil deeds. It breaks my heart to hear about people suffering who have nowhere and nobody to turn to.

I'am not okay with the lesser evil theory. We have to rise up for the ones who are hurting. Allah helps those who do get out of their comfort zone. No pain, no gain.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by JC » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:21 pm

In principle I totally agree with Seeker110.

I am just trying to show an Exit Strategy to those who are not willing to act; let's have a starting point, once we are on move and have showed our strength things will fall in order, gradually.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Saif53 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:14 pm

FROM QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.in/2016/04/ ... peech.html
Taher's Arabic Speech
The latest Qutbi propaganda videos is Taher's speech in Arabic supposedly addressing his Arab followers in Yemen and the Middle East.
KQ had a 0% following in these countries, so it's any body's guess as to whom he was really addressing. It's most likely at attempt to create an illusion of throngs of followers in contrast to their dwindling numbers.
In the speech, Taher tries to give an image of him speaking Arabic without any awraaq (which is contrary the rasm of hudaat) - to seemingly give a false impression of amazing intellect. However, if one is to look closer, it is clearly visible that he is not staring directly at the camera, instead he's reading from a Teleprompter.

During his speech, Taher mentioned his father KQ and his position of the Mazoon. Taher makes a reference to a kitaab named Taaj al Aqaid, written by the 5th Dai, Syedna Ali bin al Mawla Mohammed al Waleed RA.

He alleges that this kitaab discusses the position of the Mazoon as follows. He quotes verbatim:
إن صاحب رتبة الإذن يقول الحق له او عليه
Translation
(The Saheb in the Rutba of Izn will speak Haq. Regardless of whether it is for or against him.)

Here's the problem:

1. This text doesn't exist anywhere in this Kitaab Taaj al Aqaid or any other Dawat Kitaab for that matter!
This isn't the first time the Qutbi s have cooked up non existent texts.
The Qutbi s have quoted this same text in the past. Despite bringing this fabrication to their attention, the continue to quote it, and their followers continue to blindly believe the Qutbi leader and his team.

2. Even if we hypothetically suppose that this text exists (somewhere), it doesn't necessarily infer that it is referring to the Mazoon.

3. Even if we accept that this non existent text's speculation refers to the Mazoon, then:
It is well known and accepted that when in the position of the Mazoon, KQ publicly accepted the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, in his waaz in Toronto & Sidhpur, during the Nass Majlis in Mumbai, on his website, and to certain close confidantes of his. Thus, in this instance, we may accept that he spoke the truth, even when it went against him.

4. After the wafaat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, KQ announced his claim, ceased to be a Mumin and no longer the Mazoon. He was the claimant, the dawedaar. Therefore, anything uttered by him after Burhanuddin Moula's RA wafaat regarding his false claim can be simply dismissed as lies.

KQ, Husain and now Taher continue to call us out to debate.

I call upon the entire Qutbi team to answer this simple challenge if indeed they have nerves to.


Where is the above mentioned text that you claim is from Kitaab Taaj al Aqaid?

In connection with KQ's and Taher's lies, I end by quoting a media personality whom Taher is subscribed to on his YouTube channel:

“I'm not even sure he knows he's lying. I think he just doesn't care about what the truth is.” - John Oliver

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:17 pm

SKQ asked MS to appear for debate he never did.

now these jamiya chimpanzee wants STF to reply their email and show where is what written? really?

Dua for Momeen.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:30 pm

Seriously?? You want the STF people to answer questions that no one other than you seem to care about? Especially given that Mufaddal Saifuddin has not even read the first standard Moral Science book nor does he have any common sense. If he knew anything at all, he would know these simple values and truths:

1) DO NOT LIE (Raudat Tahera Nass drama, Moiz bull shitter saying one thing when Moula RA was saying another.)
2) HATE IS A SELF DESTRUCTIVE EMOTION. DON'T FILL A WHOLE COMMUNITY WITH IT!
3) DO NOT LIE ( Janaaza maa naa aaya, Raudat Tahera maa nathi aavta... when the truth is that you have made it nearly impossible for them to do so!)
4) DO NOT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COMMIT ILLEGAL ACTS. IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE. (The famous FGM bayan!!)
5) DO NOT CELEBRATE A PERSON'S NATURAL DEATH. (It is not a victory for you, especially if the person's successor is charismatic and intelligent,. Two qualities that you have never aquainted yourself with...Plus it is extremely distasteful)
6) DO NOT INSIST THAT WOMEN ONLY STUDY HOME SCIENCE. (Women have the potential to be successful scientists, business women, economists, technologists, engineers and CEOs! Don't crush that potential. It is disrespectful!)
7) DO NOT SAY IN BAYANS THAT THE BEST FOOD IS HOME COOKED FOOD AND THEN INSIST THAT EVERYONE EAT MASS PRODUCED THAALIS ON A DAILY BASIS. (Mass produced food is unappetising compared to home cooking, plus your message is muddled...)

Should I go on Saifee bhai? Look at the mess that is this dawat under Mufaddal Saifuddin.
Saif53 wrote:FROM QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.in/2016/04/ ... peech.html
Taher's Arabic Speech
The latest Qutbi propaganda videos is Taher's speech in Arabic supposedly addressing his Arab followers in Yemen and the Middle East.
KQ had a 0% following in these countries, so it's any body's guess as to whom he was really addressing. It's most likely at attempt to create an illusion of throngs of followers in contrast to their dwindling numbers.
In the speech, Taher tries to give an image of him speaking Arabic without any awraaq (which is contrary the rasm of hudaat) - to seemingly give a false impression of amazing intellect. However, if one is to look closer, it is clearly visible that he is not staring directly at the camera, instead he's reading from a Teleprompter.

During his speech, Taher mentioned his father KQ and his position of the Mazoon. Taher makes a reference to a kitaab named Taaj al Aqaid, written by the 5th Dai, Syedna Ali bin al Mawla Mohammed al Waleed RA.

He alleges that this kitaab discusses the position of the Mazoon as follows. He quotes verbatim:
إن صاحب رتبة الإذن يقول الحق له او عليه
Translation
(The Saheb in the Rutba of Izn will speak Haq. Regardless of whether it is for or against him.)

Here's the problem:

1. This text doesn't exist anywhere in this Kitaab Taaj al Aqaid or any other Dawat Kitaab for that matter!
This isn't the first time the Qutbi s have cooked up non existent texts.
The Qutbi s have quoted this same text in the past. Despite bringing this fabrication to their attention, the continue to quote it, and their followers continue to blindly believe the Qutbi leader and his team.

2. Even if we hypothetically suppose that this text exists (somewhere), it doesn't necessarily infer that it is referring to the Mazoon.

3. Even if we accept that this non existent text's speculation refers to the Mazoon, then:
It is well known and accepted that when in the position of the Mazoon, KQ publicly accepted the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, in his waaz in Toronto & Sidhpur, during the Nass Majlis in Mumbai, on his website, and to certain close confidantes of his. Thus, in this instance, we may accept that he spoke the truth, even when it went against him.

4. After the wafaat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, KQ announced his claim, ceased to be a Mumin and no longer the Mazoon. He was the claimant, the dawedaar. Therefore, anything uttered by him after Burhanuddin Moula's RA wafaat regarding his false claim can be simply dismissed as lies.

KQ, Husain and now Taher continue to call us out to debate.

I call upon the entire Qutbi team to answer this simple challenge if indeed they have nerves to.


Where is the above mentioned text that you claim is from Kitaab Taaj al Aqaid?

In connection with KQ's and Taher's lies, I end by quoting a media personality whom Taher is subscribed to on his YouTube channel:

“I'm not even sure he knows he's lying. I think he just doesn't care about what the truth is.” - John Oliver

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:47 pm

But but but ..... Jahannam ma jalse, ghar jalse, kapra jalse pan mara bawaji ye mane sikhayu koy par kino na karwanu.

Cue abdes chanting en masse "moula moula moula moula"

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:15 pm

Regarding Saifee Bhai's post.... Classic case of a community leadership out of touch with it's members. They bombard us with bull crap day in and day out and think that we care about STF misquoting from a book (even if that were true....) Saif, we do not care if what he quoted was from one book vs another and if it is not entirtely clear that it was meant for a mazoon.... We take far far far greater bull crap from MS each and every day. If this is the worst you could find about STF, YOU ARE IN SOME SERIOUS TROUBLE man!!

I think it's way cool that STF likes John Oliver. If MS watched John Oliver. he would have been aware that there are laws in the US against smoking, drinking and drugs :roll:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:59 am

Saif bhai should now do a post about the 4 minute audio clip of his master and explain to us in great taawil what he meant by the amal that is open for gents and secret for ladies. After all he has great analytic skills to dissect each and every minute detail of SKQ and now STF so his skills are now needed to decipher what exactly SMS meant in that audio clip.

Saif bhai I will be waiting without bated breath.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:04 am

Saif is currently deliberating on where his Moula stand on the following issues:

Should women be educated in all fields or study home science only? Is home cooking best a la dawood Nabi or is the mass produced unappetizing thaali food better? Should women be circumcised or should they not? Should he burn his kakaji's effigy and wish him all manner of harm or should he forgive him? Decisions decisions....the air in his head is getting so hot it may explode someday...

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by alivasan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:11 am

Saif, being hypocrite muffy's believer takes out a great deal of time to translate arabic texts of STF, and make meanings out as per his whims and fancies..as per his convenience !!!

Why don't you help your rot master muffu come out of troubles he created for himself after openly challenging 'hame koi na si binta nathi'. why dont he call press conference and tell the world making clear which 'amal' he was talking about.

When master is biggest hypocrite of time some will be inherited to his belevier.here Saif is kothari henchmen..an insider close to hypocrite muffs.

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#281

Unread post by maxthemature » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:00 pm

http://qutbibohras.blogspot.ae/2014/12/ ... q.html?m=1.
I urge and humble request to every single member in this group since the last 3 years in particular to go through this past link from first to last line and end this kq shit permenantly and not to waste anymore time behind this fake drama anymore! Thanks

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Re: Taher Fakhrudin and related topics

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Unread post by ajamali » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:27 pm

maxthemature wrote:http://qutbibohras.blogspot.ae/2014/12/ ... q.html?m=1.
I urge and humble request to every single member in this group since the last 3 years in particular to go through this past link from first to last line and end this kq shit permenantly and not to waste anymore time behind this fake drama anymore! Thanks
Seriously are you hawking this tired old blog here again? Everyone here knows it's huey, baloney, fantasy.... Nobody gives a damn about the anal dissection of texts and words presented to suit one agenda vs another. We can judge the truth and the fraud based on our experiences and what we see happening before our very eyes. It is never one incident or one quote but the cumulative evidence certainly points to righteousness being on the side of STF.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:26 pm

Actions and character speaks louder. Let the people's intelligence decide and help their beliefs.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by alivasan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:50 pm

Since launch of their so called 'fatemi dawat' website several allegations were made by SKQ sons on this website.This was almost 2 years old. This anti qutbi blogger just counter attacks anything and everything drawing parallel counter allegations around series of events from STF appointment vs SMS appointment, around SMB death vs SKQ death, putting back argument in compare order. Blogger picks up few statements made and shoots up arguments around qasida's, janaza, almost anything...very old stupid crap playing around with words.Actions speak louder than words.

Overall, STF has been proved much flawless thus far as compared to SMS.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Saif53 » Sun May 15, 2016 2:44 am

FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/05 ... truth.html
Taaj al Aqaid – Izn, Itlaq & The Truth

The Fatemi Dawat website and their current leader Taher Fakhruddin have quote a statement that they allege is from a book titled Taaj al Aqaid by the 5th Dai, Syedna Ali b. Moula Mohammed al WaleedRA.

Taher has quoted it verbatim in Arabic as:

""ان صاحب رتبة الاذن يقول الحق دائما له او عليه

(Reference: Taher’s Arabic speech at 4m:50s)

He has also quoted it in his 27th Rajab speech (1h:51m) in Lisan al Dawat, translated by the Fatemi Dawat website as follows:

“Syedna Ali bin Mohammed in the lofty kitaab of Taj ul Aqa’id says of the exalted rutba of Mazoon, that “The Mazoon always speaks the truth, whether it goes in his favor or against him.”


Prior to this, the Fatemi Dawat website posted the following in Sijill Article #60:

“Over the years there have been numerous competing claims to veracity and Truthfulness of Allah’s Nabi, his Imam, and his Dai. Who should you believe, and why?
The 5th Dai in his Kitab Tajul-‘Aqa’id states that the Mazoon speaks the truth whether it be for him or against him; only such a person is raised to this rutba.”


Despite numerous emails to Fatemi Dawat admins and Qutbi Bohra officials requesting a citation of this text, we have not received any reply.

However, sources close to the Qutbi Bohras hint that they are referring to a text in the 98th Chapter of this book. (Pg 368 of the Taaj al Aqaid version published by Al Jamea tus Saifiyah in 1427H). It is very likely that they are indeed referring to this chapter and this article is based on this assumption.


The Arabic text quoted by Taher doesn’t exist. They have twisted it to suit their own agenda.
This text doesn’t refer to the Mazoon at all.
This text does not guarantee of truthfulness. It’s a command, an expectation.


1. The Arabic text quoted by Taher doesn’t exist.
They have twisted it to suit their own agenda.

Taher quotes the text as follows:
“ ان صاحب رتبة الاذن يقول الحق دائما له او عليه”
Translation: “The saheb in the rutba of izn speaks the truth, whether it goes in his favor or against him.”

However, the actual text in Taaj al Aqaid reads:
“...مع قوله الحقَ له او عليه”
Translation: […continued from above] (this person) should speak the truth whether it goes in his favor or against him.

Firstly, from the 10 words quoted by Taher, 5 do not exist in the original text (highlighted in Red). Taher has made up half of the statement.

Secondly, the text doesn’t refer to any “saheb in the rutba of izn”, the entire sentence is quite different. This is another fabrication by Mr Taher Qutbuddin/Fakhruddin and the Qutbi Bohra team.

2. This text doesn’t refer to the Mazoon at all.
The heading for 98th Chapter of kitab Taaj al Aqaid reads as follows
"الاعتقاد الثامن و التسعون في الاذن و الاطلاق"
Translation: The 98th aqeedah (chapter):About izn and itlaaq

To a novice in the Arabic language and Fatemi studies, this chapter may immediately seem as if it discusses izn and itlaaq, ie Mazoon and Dai Mutlaq. However this is not the case.
In fact, this chapter discusses the role of certain teachers (mufeed) who have been granted permission to teach dawat texts to their pupils. This chapter is a simple general guideline for teachers with raza - It has nothing to do with Mazoon and Dai Mutlaq.

The word itlaaq means authority or freedom and izn means permission.









To understand Chapter 98 better, it is important to understand the flow of the book, especially Chapter 97 before it.

Chapter 97 discusses the rules of seeking knowledge. The mubtadi (beginner/student) is not allowed to speak, discuss or argue on religious matters with others. He must first learn the steps from his teacher before he is allowed to disseminate the knowledge he has acquired.

Chapter 98 then refers to the teacher (mufeed), who is now allowed to disseminate knowledge (unlike the mubtadi discussed in Chapter 97). The words izn & itlaaq in this context, simply mean “permission” and “authority” to teach. They do no refer to the the itlaaq (ie for Dai Mutlaq) or izn (ie for the Mazoon).


This chapter begins by saying that the shuyookh (pl. sheikh) of this sect have set a limit (hadd), only after which a person is given permission to “speak” (ie teach). This is a step ahead when compared to the mubtadi discussed in Chapter 97, who wasn’t allowed to speak at all.
This person has now been given permission to teach zahir and batin. Whilst doing this, he must continue to adhere to the zahir practices and the tenets of shariat and ibadat without fail.
It goes own to discuss the responsibilities and character of such a teacher. He must pray salaat at night and fast regularly. His actions must be pure from deception. He must be of esteemed character and have good relations with others. He should always judge himself first before judging others, and speak the truth, whether it is for him or against him. He must be chaste, pure, sharp in the understandings of shari’at. Only then will he be granted izn (permission) for itlaaq & kalaam (to teach/speak) following his mufeed (teacher) and mo’allim.
Only a person of this character can be entrusted to guide others.

On the other hand, he who lacks this character, should not be allowed any dealings in deen, in fear of harming another life. Similar to how the inheritance of an mentally absent orphan must be protected from him (by his guardians), in fear that he may spend it unwisely.
This is the farmaan in the mazhab in relation to izn & itlaaq.


Hence, this chapter discusses the responsibility of a teacher in general. Not the Mazoon. Anyone with elementary knowledge of Arabic would realize this. Unfortunately for the Qutbis, they seem to lack these basics.

Similarly, this concept of izn & itlaaq is dealt with in a chapter in Kitab al Himmah by Syedna Qadi Noman RA. It is important to note that the words izn & itlaaq are used here in the same context as mentioned above.The name of the Chapter is as follows:

ذكر ما ينبغي من اقتصار من شملته دعوة الامام على ما قيل لهم وعرفوه دون ان يتعاطوا او يتكلفوا ما لم يؤذن لهم فيه ولم يأذنوا في الكلام الا لمن ارتضاه واطلقوا ذلك له
This chapter discusses those who have permission (izn) and authority (itlaaq) to teach. It is not about the Mazoon nor the Dai Mutlaq.


3. This text does not guarantee of truthfulness.
It is a command, an expectation.

In reference to truthfulness, words quoted in Taaj al Aqaid are:
“...مع قوله الحقَ له او عليه”
Translation: […continued from above] (this person) should speak the truth whether it goes in his favor or against him.

Regardless of whether the subject in Chapter 98 is ‘the teacher’ or ‘the Mazoon’, it is evident that it lists out the responsibilities of this person, ie he must be of such and such character, and must carry out certain duties. The Chapter doesn’t guarantee their performance, it is a command, an expectation.

There are many verses in the Quran commanding the faithful to follow haq and speak sidq (truth). There is a kalaam by Imam Moiz AS that is almost identical to the caption in kitaab Taaj al Aqaid. The 14th Imam Moiz AS says while addressing mumineen :
قولوا الحق و لو على انفسكم
Translation: Say haq (the truth), even if it goes against you.
(Reference: Raudat Hidayaat Vol 3, Pg 239)

Speaking the truth are the basic characteristics and expectations of a Mumin, let alone a mufeed (teacher) or a person in a high rutba. If the Qutbis wish to make the Mazoon the subject of Chapter 98 (discussed above), then there is nothing special. He is being ordered to speak to truth, that is what is expected of him. There is no cart blanche ruling guaranteeing that he will be truthful, and the consequences of failing to do so are also mentioned in the same Chapter.

Even if we accept that this non existent text's speculation refers to the Mazoon, then:
It is well known and accepted that when in the position of the Mazoon, KQ publicly accepted the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, in his waaz in Toronto & Sidhpur, during the Nass Majlis in Mumbai, on his website, and to certain close confidantes of his. Thus, in this instance, we may accept that he spoke the truth, even when it went against him.

After the wafaat of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, KQ announced his claim, ceased to remain a Mumin and no longer the Mazoon. He was the claimant, the dawedaar. Therefore, anything uttered by him after Burhanuddin Moula's RA wafaat regarding his false claim can be simply dismissed as lies.

CONCLUDING:
The Qutbis have once again been caught red handed twisting and fabricating texts by preying in the ignorance of their followers.
It is sad to see that while the Qutbis are so desperately hell bound on proving the truthfulness (haq) of the Mazoon, that they have forgotten the truthfulness (haq) of the Dai Mutlaq, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

The same author of Taaj al Aqaid, Syedna Ali bin Moula Mohammed RA addresses the 3rd Dai Mutlaq Syedna Hatim RA in his qasidah. He says:

"You are ‘Haq’, and You are the House of ‘Haq’; there is no ‘Haq’ other than You..."


The above verse requires no further interpretation nor fabrication of texts. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA is haq personified, His actions are haq, His words are haq, He is the epitome of haq. “There is no haq other than him”. There is no necessity whatsoever to look at anyone or anywhere below the Dai.

It is this clarity the Qutbis are void off. They focus more on the rutba of the Mazoon and forget the maqaam of the Dai.
May AllahTA grant us tawfeeq to always focus on the haq na saheb. We pray to AllahTA to guide those who have been strayed away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA - to see through the lies of the Qutbi Bohras. Ameen

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sun May 15, 2016 3:19 am

So basically in bohra faith, bohris dont even consider their mazoon as ameen, and is always ready to call him liar, even bohra books says mazoon can lie?

if mazoon and mukasir are such criminals in dawat, I am sure dai is also not dudh kaa dhula and for money he can go to any lie and cheat.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sun May 15, 2016 6:45 am

They are doing a good job crumbling their own Mufaddali dawat from within - now they are attacking the rutbas, what a comedy. I am surprised they still haven't presented a detailed analysis of those 4 minutes of pearly wisdom from their master. Any clues about the great amal that is secret for ladies?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sun May 15, 2016 10:24 am

Saif if MS as the "Dai" is haq let him clarify what he meant in his 4 minute audio. Because the thousands of people who heard him live and the hundreds of thousands of people who heard the audio knew right away what he was talking about. In fact I received a message from a fanatic cousin that I can stop the corruption of young women on the family group now with the posting of letters from western jamaats against khafz because "Moula" has spoke against khafz. See! And he sent me the audio! So this audio was not sent by STF followers, as you guys are implying on FGM Facebook pages, but rather from MS fanatics trying to prove the support for khafz on minor girls!!! :lol: :lol: So please do have MS clarify his position on the following:

Should women be educated in all fields or study home science only? Is home cooking best a la dawood Nabi or is the mass produced unappetizing thaali food better? Should little girls be circumcised or should they not? Should he burn his kakaji's effigy and wish him all manner of harm or should he forgive him?

As someone mentioned earlier, the guy seems to have lost his map to jannat and is back tracking and going around in circles :lol: ... A lot!

Let me suggest to you that MS take a page from STF's book and recommend it as a matter of choice for adult women LOL!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics) - 2016

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Unread post by ajamali » Sun May 15, 2016 11:55 am

SMS stepping in big piles of poo poo on a daily basis! Forget STF and court cases, someone from inside may decide that he is not worth the trouble and wipe him off!!!

It's a Dawat permanently in damage control mode...I miss Burhanuddin Moula! As TFY suggests, SMS would do well to take hidayat from STF...
think_for_yourself wrote:Saif if MS as the "Dai" is haq let him clarify what he meant in his 4 minute audio. Because the thousands of people who heard him live and the hundreds of thousands of people who heard the audio knew right away what he was talking about. In fact I received a message from a fanatic cousin that I can stop the corruption of young women on the family group now with the posting of letters from western jamaats against khafz because "Moula" has spoke against khafz. See! And he sent me the audio! So this audio was not sent by STF followers, as you guys are implying on FGM Facebook pages, but rather from MS fanatics trying to prove the support for khafz on minor girls!!! :lol: :lol: So please do have MS clarify his position on the following:

Should women be educated in all fields or study home science only? Is home cooking best a la dawood Nabi or is the mass produced unappetizing thaali food better? Should little girls be circumcised or should they not? Should he burn his kakaji's effigy and wish him all manner of harm or should he forgive him?

As someone mentioned earlier, the guy seems to have lost his map to jannat and is back tracking and going around in circles :lol: ... A lot!

Let me suggest to you that MS take a page from STF's book and recommend it as a matter of choice for adult women LOL!

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sun May 15, 2016 1:00 pm

Correction: in my post above, my cousin had sent me the audio as proof of "Moula's" support of khafz...!

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sun May 15, 2016 7:32 pm

Who are these Qutbis that Saifee keeps talking about? They must be the people who are on haq. The ones who are under clear and steadfast guidance of their Moula. In contrast the Mufaddalies are the ones that are guided down a path by their leaders one day knowing that they will need to back track the next and then choose some other path.... To home science or not to home science, to circumcise little girls or not to circumcise little girls, those my dear mufaddalies are the big questions....

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sat May 21, 2016 3:25 am

little bit of respect which I had for khuzaima got lost after he appointed his son as next dai...

now I dont blame burhanuddin for kicking khuzaima out of his will and giving his chair to mufaddal, because every father loves his son over some one else.

this family business need to be stop to bring truth in dawat...these guys have made name of IMAM as joke and they give dawat chair like its baap ki jaagir.

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Unread post by Wajid » Sat May 21, 2016 9:04 am

Dua for Momeen wrote:little bit of respect which I had for khuzaima got lost after he appointed his son as next dai...
Salam bhai DMY aka Noor etc etc.
Aap ki lila aparam paar hai maha purush...

Yaar aap sahi kehto ho. In fact, you should have been the next Dai. After all, you are the Noor and also you do all the time Dua for Moomen.

وَإِذَا سَمِعُوا اللَّغْوَ أَعْرَضُوا عَنْهُ وَقَالُوا لَنَا أَعْمَالُنَا وَلَكُمْ أَعْمَالُكُمْ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ لَا نَبْتَغِي الْجَاهِلِينَ

And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."

FiAmanillah

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sat May 21, 2016 9:28 am

For the blind muffy and taheri abde...

Quran says
[31:13] Recall that Luqmaan said to his son, as he enlightened him, "O my son, do not set up any idols beside GOD; idolatry is a gross injustice."*
وَلَقَدْ ذَرَأْنَا لِجَهَنَّمَ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الْجِنِّ وَالإِنسِ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌ لاَّ يَفْقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ أَعْيُنٌ لاَّ يُبْصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ آذَانٌ لاَّ يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا أُوْلَئِكَ كَالأَنْعَامِ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْغَافِلُونَ

And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones. [7-179]

Dua for momeen.