Taher Fakhrudin and related topics

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Re: Taher Fakhrudin and related topics

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun May 08, 2016 9:20 am

Muffy abdes are pretty aggressive in thier jahilyet, now STF has a clear and logical stand over this issue, so muffy abdes would wanna go overdrive in opposite direction, they would ensure their daughters go through the ritual as Muffy has mandated it in secrecy, just to score points and as usual express thier walayat towards farmaan. Another competing point.

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Sun May 08, 2016 9:56 am

Ozdundee wrote:I congratulate STF for taking a very practical and well researched religious position. It is a sign of a leader familiar with contemporary and secular issues. A leader needs to protect and promote his community.

It protects children undergoing child abuse, eliminates women who wish to perform the sunnah to do so willingly and consciously where law permits , removes obligation on parents.
Well said. That is exactly what he has done.

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun May 08, 2016 12:02 pm

Nail in Muffy's head....now all the bohras will go into overdrive mode and do it in secrecy and get caught again and make maula happy!

Muffadal Moula ki Jai!

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun May 08, 2016 12:03 pm

Isse Kehte hain ek teer se do nishaney....STF is doing great job!

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Mon May 09, 2016 1:15 pm

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-wo ... on-2210472

Explaining the stand taken now, Dr Abdeali Qutbuddin, brother of Syedna Taher Fakhruddin, said, "This issue has been brought to Syedna Qutbuddin and now to Syedna Fakhruddin by many people. It is a very sensitive issue and required some study. People have been petitioning and bringing to his attention more and more. Having studied it, to maintain the sanctity of faith and protect the girl child from this trauma, Syedna has come out with the solution. It will be up to the girl to go in for Khafz."

On other issues of transparency and accountability in funds and issue of iddat that progressive Bohras have raised with the Syedna, Abdeali said, "Syenda is very open to looking into things. According to him, autonomy should be given to local jamaats to manage their own finances. Iddat is a complicated issue and Syedna said he will look into it." Iddat is the period for which a widow is supposed to be confined to a dark corner of her room and cannot meet anyone for months.

The groups said, "As we rejoice that the rival leader has spoken up, we are also aware that this might be looked upon as a conspiracy to malign the Syedna of the dominant Dawoodi Bohra sect. So we would like to reiterate that we are in no way against any community or religion or individual, but against a practise that hurts young girls."

The groups' statement went on to add, "We understand that today the wider Bohra community has several sects, all of whom practice khatna on little girls. This includes Dawoodis, Qutbis, Alvis and reformists. But we are a group of women with representation from all these sects, and we are united in our belief that khatna on girls must end. With due respect for everyone's varied sectarian beliefs, we appeal to the leaders and members of all these sects and groups to pay heed to the voices of so many women and let go of this tradition of khafz/khatna."

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 09, 2016 4:05 pm

Ozdundee wrote:Syedna has come out with the solution. It will be up to the girl to go in for Khafz.
This is the perfect solution...... Freedom of expression and no compulsion or force. If the girl wants to go ahead then its her own decision as it pertains to her own body/self and no one has the right over her body/self. Its as simple as that but the mafias of Saifee Mahal want to control each and every aspect of an abdes life and rule over them which is the root cause of all the ills in the community. This "Raza" crap should be thrown in the dustbin !!

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Unread post by think » Mon May 09, 2016 7:45 pm

i agree 1005. the raqza crap should be no more.

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Unread post by sugguma » Tue May 10, 2016 12:12 pm

Ozdundee wrote:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-wo ... on-2210472

Explaining the stand taken now, Dr Abdeali Qutbuddin, brother of Syedna Taher Fakhruddin, said, "This issue has been brought to Syedna Qutbuddin and now to Syedna Fakhruddin by many people. It is a very sensitive issue and required some study. People have been petitioning and bringing to his attention more and more. Having studied it, to maintain the sanctity of faith and protect the girl child from this trauma, Syedna has come out with the solution. It will be up to the girl to go in for Khafz."

On other issues of transparency and accountability in funds and issue of iddat that progressive Bohras have raised with the Syedna, Abdeali said, "Syenda is very open to looking into things. According to him, autonomy should be given to local jamaats to manage their own finances. Iddat is a complicated issue and Syedna said he will look into it." Iddat is the period for which a widow is supposed to be confined to a dark corner of her room and cannot meet anyone for months.

The groups said, "As we rejoice that the rival leader has spoken up, we are also aware that this might be looked upon as a conspiracy to malign the Syedna of the dominant Dawoodi Bohra sect. So we would like to reiterate that we are in no way against any community or religion or individual, but against a practise that hurts young girls."

The groups' statement went on to add, "We understand that today the wider Bohra community has several sects, all of whom practice khatna on little girls. This includes Dawoodis, Qutbis, Alvis and reformists. But we are a group of women with representation from all these sects, and we are united in our belief that khatna on girls must end. With due respect for everyone's varied sectarian beliefs, we appeal to the leaders and members of all these sects and groups to pay heed to the voices of so many women and let go of this tradition of khafz/khatna."

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Disturbing news about the strong-arm tactics of the Sydney jamaat trustees alleging copyright infringement of their contents of their resolution. All resolutions are hogwash....

Sahiyo threatened with legal action and served with a cease and desist notice by the Australia's Sydney - Anjuman-e-Burhani Trust for copyright infringement, and for putting up the Sydney Jamaat's resolution letter on Sahiyo's website.

https://sahiyo.com/2016/05/09/sahiyo-in ... the-trust/

So the Sydney resolution was, in fact, an eyewash to get leniency in the sentencing, and to convince the judge about the sincerity of their efforts to stop FGM amongst the DBs of Australia.

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Unread post by alam » Tue May 10, 2016 10:57 pm

Sahiyo threatened with legal action and served with a cease and desist notice by the Australia's Sydney - Anjuman-e-Burhani Trust for copyright infringement, and for putting up the Sydney Jamaat's resolution letter on Sahiyo's website.

https://sahiyo.com/2016/05/09/sahiyo-in ... the-trust/

So the Sydney resolution was, in fact, an eyewash to get leniency in the sentencing, and to convince the judge about the sincerity of their efforts to stop FGM amongst the DBs of Australia.
Who does big brother bully? Mufaddal Caught red-handed in this impromptu heart to heart to his pyaara Jameea farzando on keeping khatna makhfi for girls - here is how they are exposing the threat from women. They can't track down Oz so sahiyo taking the hit. What a bully!

A Bigger question MS and company should be worried about is where is the leak coming from? And why? Where is the mole? Who is he or she? Are there more than a few?

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Tue May 17, 2016 4:37 am

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue May 17, 2016 9:24 am

SMS camp should go all out and defend their cultural practice which his shafeek bawa endorsed. Instead of being a chicken, he should openly state what he means. Isharabazi is so lame for the macho-jalal-braveheart Muffy maula. The ping-pong game between SMS and SKQ/STF camp is getting better. QutbiBlog-Saif53 now can spend few more pages explaining how STF/SKQ camp is wrong in leading SKQ abdes while SMS is right in support of FGM. That would be a fun blog. Can SMS camp list down advantages of FGM and support it openly. After all they are on Haq.

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Fri May 20, 2016 2:31 pm

Syedna Taher Fakhruddin TUS will lead Maghrib Isha and Thum Washeq Namaaz on 15mi raat of Shabaan (Friday evening, 20th May) in Bakersfield, California.
wilayati babu could not stand Indian hot climate, foreigner dai is back to US :lol:

Imam Ali naa naib could not tolerate Indian climate, whole family holds US citizenship and waste money on tickets like water.

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Unread post by bohra_manus » Fri May 20, 2016 2:53 pm

Dua for Momeen wrote:
Syedna Taher Fakhruddin TUS will lead Maghrib Isha and Thum Washeq Namaaz on 15mi raat of Shabaan (Friday evening, 20th May) in Bakersfield, California.
wilayati babu could not stand Indian hot climate, foreigner dai is back to US :lol:

Imam Ali naa naib could not tolerate Indian climate, whole family holds US citizenship and waste money on tickets like water.
At least they are not wasting public money

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Fri May 20, 2016 3:32 pm

bohra_manus wrote:
Dua for Momeen wrote:
wilayati babu could not stand Indian hot climate, foreigner dai is back to US :lol:

Imam Ali naa naib could not tolerate Indian climate, whole family holds US citizenship and waste money on tickets like water.
At least they are not wasting public money
darus sakina was purchased from public money, taher holds millions of share in US stock market and this money is from public, degrees which they hold were sponsored by public. all money comes from public.

aaa loko naa baap dada konsi naukri ke business karta taa? paisa kaha thi aaya che? all funds belongs to public.

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Unread post by soulsurvivor » Fri May 20, 2016 5:32 pm

Dua for Momeen wrote:
bohra_manus wrote:
At least they are not wasting public money
darus sakina was purchased from public money, taher holds millions of share in US stock market and this money is from public, degrees which they hold were sponsored by public. all money comes from public.

aaa loko naa baap dada konsi naukri ke business karta taa? paisa kaha thi aaya che? all funds belongs to public.
"At least better than Muffy camp and his gang who have structured way of extorting money from public. Btw where were you when he was building Darus Sakina?" They invest with people in businesses.

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Fri May 20, 2016 9:48 pm

soulsurvivor wrote:
Dua for Momeen wrote: darus sakina was purchased from public money, taher holds millions of share in US stock market and this money is from public, degrees which they hold were sponsored by public. all money comes from public.

aaa loko naa baap dada konsi naukri ke business karta taa? paisa kaha thi aaya che? all funds belongs to public.
"At least better than Muffy camp and his gang who have structured way of extorting money from public. Btw where were you when he was building Darus Sakina?" They invest with people in businesses.
darus sakina was gifted by burhanuddin to khuzaima, and we all know how burhanuddin chor has looted community money....

as far as taher and mufaddal comparision is concern, yes taher may be bit better than mufaddal, but poison is poison no matter if it comes from snake or scorpion.

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Unread post by ajamali » Fri May 20, 2016 11:44 pm

Dua for Momeen wrote:
as far as taher and mufaddal comparision is concern, yes taher may be bit better than mufaddal
DFM, have you considered that you are just the absolute worst? You have no facts, you read opinions/ fiction here and then spew it out as fact. You are so boring man. You keep repeating the same shit. You are even worse than MS because atleast he comes up with new shit.

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Unread post by Sceptical » Sat May 21, 2016 2:10 am

Reminder : use "add a foe" option in user control panel if you do not want to read DFM (aka Al-Noor) stupid post :mrgreen:
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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sat May 21, 2016 2:59 am

isnt it amazing that abdes of muffy and taher gets really frustrated when their masters are hold accountable :lol:

morons wake up, taher or mufaddal are same shiit in different packaging. one is muawiya and other is yazid....

Dua for momeen.

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sat May 21, 2016 3:04 am

Sceptical wrote:Reminder : use "add a foe" option in user control panel if you do not want to read DFM (aka Al-Noor) stupid post :mrgreen:

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my ID isnt important, you can ignore it, but truth is that matters.... :wink:

taheri and mufaddali abdes wont change, but if ONLY one man is saved I will consider it as a success.

Quran says
And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
DUA FOR MOMEEN

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Unread post by Saif53 » Sat May 21, 2016 10:37 am

FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG:
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/05 ... th_21.html
Taaj al Aqaid – Izn, Itlaq & The Truth: An Interpretation?
When it comes to Dawat texts, it is completely acceptable that two opposing schools of thought may have different interpretations - and there are many instances in the current Qutbi Bohra fitnat that are on-sided interpretations.
However there are certain facts, certain realities, that are so "crystal clear", that they do not require any interpretation at all! There is no grey area, and it's very simple to ascertain whether it's black or white. This is because these facts are either confirmed by historical accounts or the exact same Dawat texts that are referred to by both sides. Anyone who has access to these books can verify it instantly.

These points have been summarized in the Summary of The Fitnat page, under the heading "Khuzaima’s & Taher's Falsehood Exposed". Till date, the Qutbi Bohras haven't been able to refute even one of these points.

Following the article "Taaj al Aqaid – Izn, Itlaq & The Truth", those loyal to the Qutbi Bohra sect have referred to it as "nonsensical", and they claim that ours is a "different interpretation". It is evident that those hiding behind the excuse of a "different interpretation" have no idea what they are talking about. It is very likely that they do not understand Arabic, and/or have not read nor understood the original text from Kitaab Taaj al Aqaid. Instead, they have blindly relied on what has been fed to them by Taher and the Qutbi team, and haven't verified the truth.

If they still believe that it is a different interpretation, then I request them to revisit the text and let us know the following:

Please confirm which Chapter in Taaj al Aqaid you are referring to.
We assumed it is Chapter 98. The text for Chapter 98 is the same in the 1403H version published by Aarif Tamir, and the 1427H version published by Al Jamea tus Saifiyah.
If you are referring to another version - please cite your reference.
Was Taher quoting the exact text from this book? Or was he quoting it by mixing it up with his own interpretation? (According to our references, he has fabricated half of the quote).
Please let us know your interpretation of this Chapter.
According to your interpretation, do the words izn and itlaaq refer to the Mazoon and the Dai Mutlaq only? Or just the Mazoon? Or the Mazoon Mutlaq only?
Does it talk about anyone else, such as a mufeed & moallim (teacher)?
At which exact point in the Chapter does it start talking about the Mazoon? Or does it talk about the Dai and the Mazoon together? If so, then at which exact point?
Other than "speaking the truth", this chapter talks about certain responsibilities such as salaat, roza, good character etc - who are these instructions being directed towards? The Mazoon, the Dai or someone else?
This Chapter refers to "his mufeed and his moallim". Who is the pronoun the the zameer "his"? Is it the Dai? Is it the Mazoon? Is it the teacher? And who is the "moallim" according to your interpretation?

All these questions can be answered if you can provide a simple translation or a synopsis of the Chapter as I have done in the article "Taaj al Aqaid – Izn, Itlaq & The Truth".

You can send the answers to QutbiBohras@Gmail.com.

Thank you.

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat May 21, 2016 11:21 am

Still waiting for your detailed analysis with reference to dawat texts of the amal mentioned in your master's waaz.


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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sat May 21, 2016 11:02 pm

He brings to his job an out-of-thebox approach: boarding school education in Australia, practicing agriculturist in California and founder of a consistently profitable hedge fund in the USA

I am not sure how many readers here understand what hedge fund is....please google to know it.

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Unread post by ajamali » Sun May 22, 2016 5:45 am

What an articulate and bold vision!!! This is clearly the kind of leader this community needs. "We have to be givers not takers."

"A priority to get the community to what it always was - forward-looking. A priority to extend our community from the selfishly insular to the expansively integrated. A priority where we are not seen as takers but givers. A priority where we are not seen as clannish but as catalysts of a society of progress."

I could quote away! This man has earned my total respect! I do wish that he was the leader of the majority!

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sun May 22, 2016 6:09 am

Opening an hedge fund is not an easy thing specially in US, you need lots of money and licences to get into this business.

I wonder whos money is utilized by Taher to start this hedge fund? who are his clients? is this money totally halaal which he is trading?

who are his investors? how can he be sure that his investors gave him halaal money to trade?

how did taher got this money in first place? being a dai is he still trading?


(taher gave an open minded speech on FGM which is good but which is against his father and uncle opinion, is this all marketing to get into news?)

Dua for Momeen.

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Unread post by ajamali » Sun May 22, 2016 10:58 am

Dua for Momeen wrote:Opening an hedge fund is not an easy thing specially in US, you need lots of money and licences to get into this business.

I wonder whos money is utilized by Taher to start this hedge fund? who are his clients? is this money totally halaal which he is trading?

who are his investors? how can he be sure that his investors gave him halaal money to trade?

how did taher got this money in first place? being a dai is he still trading?


(taher gave an open minded speech on FGM which is good but which is against his father and uncle opinion, is this all marketing to get into news?)

Dua for Momeen.
It is a very easy thing in the US to start a hedge fund. You should not speak of things you do not know. Why do you need to know all these things about his business? Do you reveal all your business details to everyone? You wanted a dai who supports himself and does not depend on public money. You have one. You are a pest and a whiner on this forum doing nothing but bellyaching all day long. If it is not one thing it is another. How many hours do you spend here? Don't you have any work?

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Unread post by Dua for Momeen » Sun May 22, 2016 11:04 am

It is a very easy thing in the US to start a hedge fund. You should not speak of things you do not know.
really? which part of world you belong? as far as I know for hedge funds you need big capital also there is a long list of licences required to get into it.

and on top it is impossible to find out if the investors money is coming from halaal channels....atleast dai is not expected to get in such shady deals.

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Sun May 22, 2016 11:09 am

This dai is a 21st century dai. Eloquent, decisive and swift to act. He has achieved an amazing amount in his first few days - providing guidance on women's rights, women's education, Islamic finance and emphasizing the forgiving nature of Rasulullah's shariat. Bravo! Very encouraged.

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Unread post by ajamali » Sun May 22, 2016 11:16 am

Dua for Momeen wrote:
It is a very easy thing in the US to start a hedge fund. You should not speak of things you do not know.
really? which part of world you belong? as far as I know for hedge funds you need big capital also there is a long list of licences required to get into it.

and on top it is impossible to find out if the investors money is coming from halaal channels....atleast dai is not expected to get in such shady deals.
I am a first generation American. My parents immigrated over 40 years ago and I was born in the US. I have lived on 3 continents and I am a hedge fund investor and have friends who have started hedge funds. Who or rather WHAT in the world are you? You are a perennial bellyacher intent on disparaging the one good thing that has happened to Bohras in years. Take a break.