Mufaddal Saifuddin mandates FGM! Audio proof

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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin mandates FGM! Audio proof

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun May 08, 2016 7:44 am

I congratulate STF for taking a very practical and well researched religious position on FGM scandal created by SMS. It is a sign of a leader familiar with contemporary and secular issues. A leader needs to protect and promote his community.

It protects children undergoing child abuse, eliminates women who wish to perform the sunnah to do so willingly and consciously where law permits , removes obligation on parents.

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Unread post by Wajid » Sun May 08, 2016 7:47 am

Saif53 wrote:It is interesting to see these two QUTBI BOHRAS jumping to comment on this thread
Truth-Prevails
think_for_yourself

Since Taher F claims to be the head of his Bohra faction. It would be interesting to hear their stance on this topic and their understanding of the rules mentioned in the book Daim al Islam. Maybe they can publish an article in the papers as well.

Since Taher F claims to be the leader of the Bohras. What is his stance?
After all "Fatemi Dawat" and their leaders claim of complete transparency don't they?
Saifbhai trepan, Salaams,
I hope you get your answers. In future please do not hesitate calling upon Sayedna Fakhruddin (tus) should you have difficulties understanding the dawat texts and interpretation of the fiqh which your useless Jamea is anyways incapable of doing. May be this could have been a question in the Jamia imtehaan.

In any case, these topics are beyond the grasp of "The Great Chancellor of Aligarh University" and "The PhD from The University of Karachi".

FiAmanillah

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Unread post by Wajid » Sun May 08, 2016 7:56 am

Or even better
A seventh grade fail "Chancellor of Aligarh University" and "The PhD from The University of Karachi"....

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Unread post by alivasan » Sun May 08, 2016 8:31 am

Wajid wrote:Or even better
A seventh grade fail "Chancellor of Aligarh University" and "The PhD from The University of Karachi"....
I have not heard this before, seventh fail going for doctrate? Theology ? Arabic literature? Wow..Any research papers he submitted? Is it possible for commoners kid to jump from even 6 to say 10 ? This is big long jump. was he inspired by munnabhai mbbs? What a mockery of education..

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Unread post by way2go » Sun May 08, 2016 8:46 am

Wajid wrote:
Saif53 wrote:It is interesting to see these two QUTBI BOHRAS jumping to comment on this thread
Truth-Prevails
think_for_yourself

Since Taher F claims to be the head of his Bohra faction. It would be interesting to hear their stance on this topic and their understanding of the rules mentioned in the book Daim al Islam. Maybe they can publish an article in the papers as well.

Since Taher F claims to be the leader of the Bohras. What is his stance?
After all "Fatemi Dawat" and their leaders claim of complete transparency don't they?
Saifbhai trepan, Salaams,
I hope you get your answers. In future please do not hesitate calling upon Sayedna Fakhruddin (tus) should you have difficulties understanding the dawat texts and interpretation of the fiqh which your useless Jamea is anyways incapable of doing. May be this could have been a question in the Jamia imtehaan.

In any case, these topics are beyond the grasp of "The Great Chancellor of Aligarh University" and "The PhD from The University of Karachi".

FiAmanillah
Wajidbhai....wish there was a thumbs up to 'Like' your post..superb retort back. A :lol: on the post following this one. :)

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Unread post by alivasan » Sun May 08, 2016 9:23 am

did he had to 'Burn midnight oil'? For 10 days of moharram fun fair that he asks kids not to go to school, did he know what 'missing classes' ever means? I see some ray of hope from 54th incumbent candidate but present is full of darkness.
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Shz Ja'far us Sadiq Mufaddal Saifuddin
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is the eldest son of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin . He is a professor, author and scholar in the field of Islamic , Ismaili ,Fatemi [ disambiguation needed ] and Dawoodi Bohra studies. He is also a religious poet [ citation needed ] .Education
He completed his Masters al Faqih al Jayyid ( Arabic : ) at Al Jamea tus Saifiyah in Surat ,India [ citation needed ] . He further on
graduated in Arabic literature from Cairo University. He is currently studying for a Masters Degree in Arabic Literature at
ALESCO, the institute of Arabic Research and Studies, Cairo . He received a Doctorate in Literature and Philosophy
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Heads and overlooks the viva sessions ( ) for Masters Degree dissertations written by students. [ citation needed ]
Born on 23rd September 1973 26th Shaban H.1393 Sunday

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Unread post by Wajid » Sun May 08, 2016 11:17 am

way2go wrote:
Wajidbhai....wish there was a thumbs up to 'Like' your post..superb retort back. A :lol: on the post following this one. :)

Salaams...

Surah Ash-Shura : ayah 24

... وَيَمْحُ اللَّهُ الْبَاطِلَ وَيُحِقُّ الْحَقَّ بِكَلِمَاتِهِ إِنَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ ...
... And Allah wipes out falsehood, and establishes the truth (Islam) by His Word (this Qur'an). Verily, He knows well what (the secrets) are in the breasts (of mankind).

FiAmanillah

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Unread post by sugguma » Tue May 10, 2016 12:22 pm

alivasan wrote:Ok..India there is no law and not illegal still so he's not feared but his challenge for other parts of globe countries like Australia, US, UK sets out the tone of him being true hypocrite. lawmakers in india will take there own time, but rebelious move has sparkled in minds of young indian bohra women..have a look at pic
https://goo.gl/KyFUeB
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Disturbing post on Sahiyo's about the strong-arm and bullying tactics of the Sydney jamaat trustees alleging copyright infringement of the contents of their resolution. All resolutions were and are hogwash...they were never meant for public knowledge and distribution.

David versus Goliath....playing out

Sahiyo co-founders threatened with legal action, and each served with a cease and desist notice by the Australia's Sydney - Anjuman-e-Burhani Trust for copyright infringement, and for putting up the Sydney Jamaat's resolution letter on Sahiyo's website.

https://sahiyo.com/2016/05/09/sahiyo-in ... the-trust/

So the Sydney resolution was, in fact, an eyewash to get leniency in the sentencing, and to convince the judge about the (in)sincerity of their efforts to stop FGM amongst the DBs of Australia.


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Unread post by unclesam » Tue May 17, 2016 12:48 pm

Bohra women cheer as WHO joins FGM battle
By Jyoti Shelar , Mumbai Mirror | May 17, 2016, 03.36 AM IST

The World Health Organisation releases guidelines instructing doctors how to help victims of female genital mutilation.
The World Health Organisation on Monday released the first ever guidelines on how doctors and other medical professionals should deal with victims of female genital mutilation (FGM).
The guidelines were welcomed by women from the Bohra community who are fighting against the practice, and are hopeful that the new recommendations will boost their campaign.
The new recommendations aim to help health workers to provide better care to the more than 200 million girls and women worldwide, who suffered female genital mutilation. "FGM has no health benefits, can cause grave harm, and violates the rights of girls and women. Procedures can cause severe bleeding, problems urinating, and later cysts, infections, and death. FGM can also result in complications in childbirth and increased risk of newborn deaths," the WHO release stated.
"We have plenty of cases wherein victims were taken to doctors but the doctors had no clue about the practice of genital cutting or its side effects. Many times, women who have been cut go to doctors seeking explanation for damage to their body and system if any but doctors don't have answers," said Masooma Ranalvi, a 49-year-old publisher from Delhi, who was the first signatory to the petition to abolish FGM that is addressed to the ministry of health, women and child development and law and justice. The petition now has more than 50,000 signatures

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 23, 2016 5:38 pm

E-mail forwarded as Received :-

During last few months, there has been hot discussions on practice of Female Khatna, the FGM among Bohras. After Australia’s Amil was jailed, there is flurry of shivers in spines of Amils in various countries with Bohra presence. Australian Jamat and UK jamat passed resolutions prohibiting Girls’ Khatna. A Sahiyo group of Bohra women, is also bringing political pressure in India.

Suddenly, Syedna Mufaddal, an un-savvy person jumped in and axed his own feet. Instead of being diplomatic, he said “Amal (Female Khata) must happen. અમલ તો થાવુજ જોઇએ. અમે કોઇનાથી નથી ડરતા he said in his Zikra Majlis on 19 Rajab al-Asab, 1437H (25 April 2016

54th claimant Dai Fakhruddin also started giving press statements saying FGM the female Khatana, should stop. The issue has made many Jamat Amils in USA run for cover.

દાઈ થી ભૂલ થાઈ જ ના...પણ થઈ ગઈ. Please click and watch the video of Zikra Waez https://youtu.be/vm8CoOGj0J0 Syedna Mufaddal also realized that he does not have knowledge of Ghaib and that he was shooting from the hip about female Khatna without understanding depth of his statement. Now he and his brother-clique is asking their Surrogates, Amils, to pass resolutions banning Female. Here is the latest such resolution.

Anjuman-e-Husami, South Carolina
U.S.A

May 12', 2016

Salam-e-Jameel,

You are hereby informed of the following resolution passed by Anjuman-e-Husami (South Carolina) on May 12th, 2016 at
Rai Markaz. 140 Pendleton Drive, Spartanburg SC 29301.

1. It is a well-known hadith Of the Prophet, Mohammed Rasulullah SAW that “Hubbul watan minal imaan” which means “love for the land of abode is part of faith” This has been quoted by Duat Mutlaqeen (RA) as also the 53rd Dai-ul-Mutlaq, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS), and they have often reminded us to remain loyal to our country of abode and be law abiding and contributory citizens. This principle remains valid and unchanged despite press reports to the contrary, following the Zikra Majlis on 19 Rajab al-Asab, 1437H (25 April 2016),

2. It is noted that the United States Code, Title 18, Ch. 7. Section 116 prohibits a Wide of procedures related to “female genital mutilation” It is possible that khafd (also by as Khatna female circumcision)could also be interpreted to fall within the meaning of female genital mutilation in this Statute. Consequently, khafd should be considered illegal in South Carolina in the United States generally.

3. It is also that a the Dawoodi Bohra community in Sydney, Australia were convicted in November2015 by the Supreme Court Of New South Wales for undergoing khafd in Australia

4. In consideration of the above, it is resolved to remind and instruct all parents of the following:
a. You must abide by State and federal law all times;
b. You are directed not to engage in khafd
c. You are also directed not to take any person outside of the United States for the purposes of khafd as that is prohibited and punishable by law.
d. You are reminded of the serious consequences of breaking the laws relating to this matter.

Sh. Huzefa Hamid
Amil & President

Abbas Ali Mohammed
Hon Secretary

Taiyab Ali Mamuji
Treasurer
403 Mayburgh Ct., Spartanburg, SC 29301

Asghar Vasanwala

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Unread post by bohrabhai » Tue May 31, 2016 8:52 pm

Can someone explain what is going on? What muffadal Saifuddin has told in 25 April in clear terms
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Unread post by ajamali » Tue May 31, 2016 9:46 pm

bohrabhai wrote:Can someone explain what is going on? What muffadal Saifuddin has told in 25 April in clear termsFB_IMG_1464742076467.jpg
What he said on April 25th was "the act must be done! For men, it can be done openly but for women it must be done in secret! We will not talk to people who tell us not to do it!(meaning the Speak Out Against FGM ladies.) Who are the big governments to tell us what we must or must not do! Why don't they pass laws against alcohol consumption, smoking and adultery! Why do they interfere with a practice that has carried on since Rasulullah SAW." So he was basically saying that despite the letters sent out by about 20 western jamaats, khafz must be performed. It is clear that the letters sent out are a form of "taqiyat." Falsehood practiced in order to safeguard the faith.

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue May 31, 2016 10:19 pm

I have provided the contents of MS's April 25th speech to the FBI at

https://tips.fbi.gov. If everyone on this forum does so, it will have a big impact.

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue May 31, 2016 10:23 pm

Human Rights
FBI Reaching Out About Female Genital Mutilation

05/13/16

More than 500,000 women and girls across the country—most of them living in metropolitan areas—are at risk of undergoing female genital mutilation, a procedure that has long been practiced in many African and Middle Eastern countries as a cultural custom but has been illegal in the U.S. since 1996.

A report showing the number of women at risk was published in January by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the figure was much higher than previously estimated. A separate report last year by the non-profit Population Reference Bureau (PRB) determined that women and girls most at risk were concentrated in major cities like New York, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C., where large diaspora immigrant communities have coalesced.

Female genital mutilation, also called cutting or FGM, involves partial or total removal of the external genitalia for non-medical reasons, with no discernible health benefits. Nearly one-third of the estimated 513,000 women at risk are under the age of 18, according to the CDC and PRB data.


International Human Rights Unit

With regard to human rights, the responsibilities of the Department of Justice—and the FBI—relate primarily to enforcement matters of five specific laws.

- Genocide (18 USC, Section 1091),

- Torture (18 USC, Section 2340A),

- War Crimes (18 USC, Section 2441),

- Recruitment/Use of Child Soldiers (18 USC, Section 2442),

- Female Genital Mutilation (18 USC, Section 116).

These five statutes typically grant the FBI jurisdiction when:

- The perpetrator is a U.S. person,

- The victim is a U.S. person, or

- The perpetrator, regardless of nationality, is located in the U.S.


The FBI is proactively investigating tips and leads on this illegal practice. Investigators are hoping victims and community members who are opposed to it will come forward and report cases.

Earlier this year, the FBI and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) recognized the International Day of Zero Tolerance for Female Genital Mutilation (February 6) in a joint statement calling for eradication of the practice. The United Nations leads the zero-tolerance campaign, estimating that at least 200 million girls and women alive today have undergone some form of FGM.

Last July, President Barack Obama elevated the issue during a speech in Kenya. “There’s no excuse for sexual assault or domestic violence, there’s no reason that young girls should suffer genital mutilation, there’s no place in a civilized society for the early or forced marriage of children.” Obama said. “These traditions may go back centuries; they have no place in the 21st century.”

Practitioners claim they are abiding by deeply rooted beliefs and traditions. But it is more broadly seen as a human-rights violation. “It reflects deep-rooted inequality between the sexes and constitutes an extreme form of discrimination against women and girls,” the U.N. said in a statement.

Despite being a criminal violation in the U.S., the practice continues in a variety of ways. “We believe some of it is being conducted by medical practitioners—physicians, nurses, midwives—and some by female elders within the communities who have the distinction of being what is called a cutter,” said Special Agent Kerry Sparks, who focuses on FGM cases as part of the FBI’s International Human Rights Unit (IHRU).

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue May 31, 2016 11:59 pm

bohrabhai wrote:Can someone explain what is going on? What muffadal Saifuddin has told in 25 April in clear termsFB_IMG_1464742076467.jpg
My sense is that point #2 is just a blatant lie by the signatories from the Vancover Jammat. Sad that we as a community have become liars. This reputation that our forefathers "earned" over decades and even centuries, once lost, will be very difficult to earn back.

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Unread post by Maqbool » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:52 am

અમલ તો થાવુજ જોઇએ. અમે કોઇનાથી નથી ડરતા he said in his Zikra Majlis on 25 April 2016, and the Anjuman-e-Husami, South Carolina U.S.A passes resolution on May 12, 2016 that no one should break the law of the land and do not do khafd. They also resolve that This principle remains valid and unchanged despite press reports to the contrary, following the Zikra Majlis on 19 Rajab al-Asab, 1437H (25 April 2016).

This is a proof that even Amil and Jamat members are not listening to Moula any more. They are more worried of their skin. I think they will not sing any more to make juta out of their skin for moula. Bravo.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:47 pm

In the news today.

Egyptian teenager dies during illegal genital mutilation surgery, official says.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/health/ge ... index.html