Humsafar wrote:Litigation was successful at both local level (masjid cases) and at larger level (curbing Kothar from issuing baraat fatwaa officially). Kothar will never on its own "reform" by conscience. For it has none. The real dent to Kothar will never come as long as people like you enable it by being part of it and doing nothing to challenge it.
You are infuriatingly repetetvie. I said legal channel was one of many strategies, it was never supposed to be a focus. Litigation helped bring Bohra issues in the public domain, exposed the Kothar and its misdoings. What do you think should be done to "straighten up" Kohtar?
It is cute to think thank legal deterrence matters to kothar. Baraat is still very much in practice. Abdes are threatened, punished and penalized at whims of amils for baraat. It happens at social, business levels. Abdes are left running to make amends.
Why do you think there are hordes of bohras putting up with SMS camp, many states fear, and why is that fear ? it is fear of baraat. How did reformist legal victory work on that level. Surely it did wonders at Udaipur and other local jamats with collective majority.
In simple words, reformist saved those who choose to be saved and were physically present in concentrated locations.
Legal route in India is drain of money and energy.. My sincere apology for Infuriatingly repetitive. But this has been my experience and observation. I don’t discredit this route completely, but it is not a good idea to spend fortune on this channel. Anyhow, not my authority to advise reformist.
Humsafar wrote: The real dent to Kothar will never come as long as people like you enable it by being part of it and doing nothing to challenge it.
This is tiresome opinion thrown around all the time. People like me what ?? … people like me are living our lives in peace, saving those who wish to be saved, Standing up for weak who is calling out for help, Snubbing amils, sheikhs, mullahs who talk trash, not bowing, not bending, no feet kissing, no knee kissing, no howling maula-maula, no falling over one another for deedar, not lining up at railways station, runways, bus stops, not paying ziyafats, not buying titles, not paying donation for variety of schemes (subject to one’s choice), not doing sajda to screens, not doing maatam at inaugrations, bday parties, marriages, engagements, not participating in maatam orchestra.
People like me are paying up sabeel, wajebaat and any donations or charges that one feel is justified for which services are used such as dargah resorts, town halls for occasions, umra or hajj organization, jamans etc. These are services that require payment be it FD, DEH, RJ, Alawi, Ata-e-maliki or any other community one wishes to be part of.
What shall be challenged ! administratively, religiously, socially ?? where does buck stops !
I am not forced to participate in feet kissing, knee kissing, howling, maatam, ziyafat or buy titles. As long as one wishes to use the services they are asked to pay up certain amount as required. There are negotiations everywhere.
For my spiritual salvation, I’d rather chart out my own journey and have faith in Allah to guide me. I can only die trying rather dying cock sure of landing in heaven kinda arrogance.
With these justifications, I can tolerate or heck enjoy circus drama by SMS camp. it is revelation to see abdes, it is a learning of its own kind in human stupidity and on a liberal note; if an abde takes pride, comfort, relief in feet kissing, knee kissing, bow and bending in submission. Who are others to hammer them & shouting from rooftops of this as oppression. Take out morchas, call for revolution, disobedience, abandon affiliation.
On a positive / advantageous note, SMS hold comfortable infrastructure to use. SMS staff behaves politely and those who don’t are ignored.
Humsafar wrote:Our jamats are democratically elected, accountability is transparent. People tend to criticise jamat leaders and officials more than they should..
People criticizes DEH jamaats too, some are genuine causes and some are just hot air or tantrums.
Humsafar wrote: Reformist believe in the Bohra doctrine of which Dai is a pivotal institution. Our belief in Dai remains but we reject his oppressive administration. Bohras who care for dignity and freedom will find immense comfort in our community.
Spiritually speaking, does reformist bohra look up in reverence to STS, SMB, SMS (or) SKQ or has reformist jamaat put a stop at previous duaat to fill the pivotal position of DAI ?