Upliftment my A**

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trvoice
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Upliftment my A**

#1

Unread post by trvoice » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:49 am

Sounded too good to be true so I asked our local jamaat commitee member. Here's his response and my questions which were not answered or cut off by usual BS

Member: We are providing mumineen with "new things" tv, fans,

Me: but he cannot afford electricity bill what is he going to do with "new things"

Member: not our responsibilty

Member: We are helping mumineen with rebuilding their home, giving the new homes or fixing their walls, doors, paint, appliances etc. In some cases we have even provided them with entirely new home and bigger homes

Me: A person who cannot afford the existing home, who is not making enough money to fix the existing problem, aren't you putting him into bigger trouble by providing him with things he cannot afford? simply put he cannot afford existing property taxes, how can he afford on bigger house ?

Me: So what exactly is DH or Jamaat doing to bring this poor mumin up, how is his life or standard of living improved ? You can give me a bmw right now, but if I cannot afford to put petrol in it, its useless to me.

Member silent.

So is this just another sham ? I am not able to see the hidden agenda in all the smoke and mirror.



kimanumanu
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#2

Unread post by kimanumanu » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:56 am

Think of it in a business sense. The "new" things are going to come from someone and will not be free.



I Rizwan
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#3

Unread post by I Rizwan » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:08 am

mufaddali mafia knows their ruhaani and mojiza tales are not working any more.
people are slowly realizing what is going on.
so now he is forced to do little bit for community in order to keep the show going.

jhooth lamba nahi tikta.....



Bohra spring
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#4

Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:41 am

Aam admi gives Rs 10,000 for Moula Khushi to Amil for upliftment scheme
Shk Dukanwalla comes to Amil and does Rs 500 salam to Amil
Amil gives Rs 7,000 to Sh Dukanwalla, Amil keeps Rs 1,000 and gives Rs 2,000 Najwa to Shezada, Shezada gives Rs 1,000 Najwa to Moula
Shk Dukanwalla gives Rs 6,000 TV to Amil, makes Rs2,000 profit because TV cost dukanwalla Rs5,000
Bichara Gharib does Rs 500 salam to Amil, Amil gives Gharib a rumal and TV, takes selfie
Bichara Gharib goes home thinking Moaula has given him TV tells everyone including NRI Bohras in dubai
These NRI Bohar go and give Amil another Rs 15,000 to start Fridge scheme

End of day for 100 jamaat
Amil makes Rs 2,000 x 100 = Rs200,000 only investment make convincing bayan and farman
Shezada Rs 1,000 x 1000 for 10 jamats Rs 1,000,000 only investment a phone call to 10 Amils
Moula Rs 1,000 x 1000 for 100 jammats Rs 10,000,000 only investment is good idea
Shk Dukanwalla Rs2,000 x10 deals Rs20,000 investment salam to Amil

Bichara Gharib will watch TV serials Bahoo Saas Jagra on channel 5 day and night and wonder when tifin will arrive and will now sign up and register for sabeel and wajebaat.



I Rizwan
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#5

Unread post by I Rizwan » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:09 am

Excellent analysis...mufaddal didnt even went to his baap mayyat for free. he had commercial motivation for that.

Burhanuddin taught them in his sadarat how to make money all the time.



I Rizwan
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#6

Unread post by I Rizwan » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:22 am

This is my personal opinion but looks like Burhanuddin and Muffy are just following agha khan foot step.

from manipulation to money laundering, they are following every thing from Agha khan. do read this blog for all the details.

https://insideismailism.wordpress.com/2 ... u-bahamas/



New
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#7

Unread post by New » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:45 pm

All religios are the same. it is the basis of controlling people and extracting money .

The best religion is Atheism where no one can be exploited in the name of God or Goddess



kimanumanu
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#8

Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:37 pm

And you will find even "atheism" is a religion with no God.

The basic nature of humans is to want to control other humans. Belief in God may be one way to achieve this but not the only one as we saw with the communist Soviet Union as one example.



I Rizwan
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#9

Unread post by I Rizwan » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:42 am

Religion is the best thing which I can have in my life specially ISLAM, thats because it comes from my creator and he knows what is best for me.

but the fake babas who act against islam and yet claims to be islamic leaders are main cause of problems in real world.



faalse_ka_faasla
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#10

Unread post by faalse_ka_faasla » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:33 am

kimanumanu wrote:And you will find even "atheism" is a religion with no God.
Atheism is not a religion.



Bohra spring
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#11

Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:03 am

Religion is a belief system.

Islam as promoted by Muhammed SAW is Islam.

However we have madhabs who claim they know what the prophet or Quran intended. Thats the challenge whose interpretation?