The barbaric form of iddah

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Biradar
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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Biradar » Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:44 pm

malgudidays wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:49 am @Biradar & Kseeker,

If I may ask,

1. could there be some tawil or Haqiqat explanation for this duration?

2. If pregnancy determination was the only reason for iddah then why would there be different waiting period Iddah(mourning) and Iddah(divorce)?

from what I Know the way Iddah is practised in subcontinent has lot to do with legacy of hindu culture..
which makes it more difficult then it is supposed to be...
It is irrelevant if there are taweel reasons. A fundamental principle of taweel is that it can't contradict the zahir. Haqaiq literature is not concerned with such matters and is more focussed on cosmogony and eschatology. Also, if one were to find some navel-gazing book that gives so-called taweel explanation it should be rejected. The point is that taweel can't be used to justify any barbaric practices. Unfortunately, taweel is merely speculation and it is in many places very far fetched. In the 21st century it is not of much use. Best is to focus on inner spiritual development via straightforward understanding of Qu'ran and leave all these baseless speculative systems behind.

More importantly, you bring out an important point: the treatment of Bohra women is driven in a large part by Hindu mistreatment of women and widows. Also, the horrible practice of FGM (for which I am sure Muffy can find taweel too) came about in Ismaili fiqh due to the fact that the Fatimids lived in Africa where this practice was probably prevalent. Qadi Noman picked it up from local customs and now 1000 years later we are still stuck with it.

As to waiting period for pregnancy determination in either case or death or divorce. This is the understanding of most jurists. Some do think the verse I quoted means total seclusion but they are in the minority. There is nothing in the Qur'an in general which says women must completely seclude themselves from society. It is an invention of men who want to control women's sexuality and their independence.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Sheikh_Sajjad_Husain » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:11 pm

Can you please refer to The Pillars of Islam Vol 2 Page no 276 by Poonawala.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by yfm » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:20 pm

My sister phoned me last night and asked me to pray to Allah with the wasilo of Seyedna Taher Saifudin. As you know, we were orphans at an early age, and my mother observed iddah. However, she was devoted to Seyedna Taher Saifuddin and always prayed with his wasilo. And all her prayers got answered. So my sister obviously believed that taking Seyedna Taher Saifuddin wasilo, her prayers also would get answered. And they did. So I have a family that is completely in the belief that Allah answers your prayers if you take the wasilo of the dais. Then came Seyedna Burhanuddin and the same results. Now we have STF and SMS and whom do we give allegiance to. Of course my sister gives allegiance to SMS. And I ask her why? She tells me not to get bogged down on the financial affairs of the dais and the mafia gangs of the Kothar. These are worldly challenges and they will always be there. She says to me to have faith in Allah and give allegiance to SMS. The community may be broken, but SMS guides us to follow Islam. She says forget about your forum and the intellectual comrades who may titillate your mind, but the spiritual soul is based on faith and history. She pleaded me not to waste time on this forum but pray during these days of Seyedna Taher Saifuddin and follow SMS. You can see how entrenched we are with the spiritual life and therefore unlike Ajamali, I am going to give allegiance to SMS so my sister feels I remember that my deceased mom always counted on Seyedna Taher Saifuddin and his heir SMS should be followed and not STF. Hope my wishes are understood by my intellectual forum members.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:51 pm

What does it even mean that a husband’s DNA is in the woman for 4 months and 10 days LOL!!! Is it like his dead skin cells are part of the dust in your home for 20 days?! LOL! This DNA nonsense is from whatsapp university.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:57 pm

yfm wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:20 pm My sister phoned me last night and asked me to pray to Allah with the wasilo of Seyedna Taher Saifudin. As you know, we were orphans at an early age, and my mother observed iddah. However, she was devoted to Seyedna Taher Saifuddin and always prayed with his wasilo. And all her prayers got answered. So my sister obviously believed that taking Seyedna Taher Saifuddin wasilo, her prayers also would get answered. And they did. So I have a family that is completely in the belief that Allah answers your prayers if you take the wasilo of the dais. Then came Seyedna Burhanuddin and the same results. Now we have STF and SMS and whom do we give allegiance to. Of course my sister gives allegiance to SMS. And I ask her why? She tells me not to get bogged down on the financial affairs of the dais and the mafia gangs of the Kothar. These are worldly challenges and they will always be there. She says to me to have faith in Allah and give allegiance to SMS. The community may be broken, but SMS guides us to follow Islam. She says forget about your forum and the intellectual comrades who may titillate your mind, but the spiritual soul is based on faith and history. She pleaded me not to waste time on this forum but pray during these days of Seyedna Taher Saifuddin and follow SMS. You can see how entrenched we are with the spiritual life and therefore unlike Ajamali, I am going to give allegiance to SMS so my sister feels I remember that my deceased mom always counted on Seyedna Taher Saifuddin and his heir SMS should be followed and not STF. Hope my wishes are understood by my intellectual forum members.
Did you not already announce a couple of months ago that you had already pledged allegiance to MS?! Quite honestly I wish you peace wherever you go! You sound like a troubled soul.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:19 am

Ask your sister if she takes wasila of TS only or combined with panjatan :wink:


fulfilling of duas is a vast topic

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:20 am

btw this TS urus is now a big deal

3 days of Quran khatm
night majlis
day sermons as well

slowly they might turn it into 10 days or 40 days event.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 am

Social Awareness wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:20 am btw this TS urus is now a big deal

3 days of Quran khatm
night majlis
day sermons as well

slowly they might turn it into 10 days or 40 days event.
You know that the people on this forum are Bohras? So we already know. It has been a three day event for the last ten years at least. It is news only to a pretender such as yourself.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by bohra_manus » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:20 am

ajamali wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:51 pm What does it even mean that a husband’s DNA is in the woman for 4 months and 10 days LOL!!! Is it like his dead skin cells are part of the dust in your home for 20 days?! LOL! This DNA nonsense is from whatsapp university.
I think it was probably meant that if the husband/wife were intimate at any time, this would flush out his dna from her body.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:34 am

ajamali wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 am
Social Awareness wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:20 am btw this TS urus is now a big deal

3 days of Quran khatm
night majlis
day sermons as well

slowly they might turn it into 10 days or 40 days event.
You know that the people on this forum are Bohras? So we already know. It has been a three day event for the last ten years at least. It is news only to a pretender such as yourself.
yes probably its been 10years and I dont even know

because I am not a slave like you and I dont give a [DELETED] to all these extra baggages which your masters create to keep their slaves busy :lol:

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:48 pm

Biradar wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:44 pm
malgudidays wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:49 am @Biradar & Kseeker,

If I may ask,

1. could there be some tawil or Haqiqat explanation for this duration?

2. If pregnancy determination was the only reason for iddah then why would there be different waiting period Iddah(mourning) and Iddah(divorce)?

from what I Know the way Iddah is practised in subcontinent has lot to do with legacy of hindu culture..
which makes it more difficult then it is supposed to be...
Unfortunately, taweel is merely speculation and it is in many places very far fetched. In the 21st century it is not of much use. Best is to focus on inner spiritual development via straightforward understanding of Qu'ran and leave all these baseless speculative systems behind.
I would like to comment on the above line only as it is the only part I disagree with. The taweel is fundamental and defining when it comes to the beliefs of the Bohra (any sect after Syedna Zoeb) and in my opinion makes us much more sensible and logical compared to other sects - especially the mainstream sunni and shia ones...

Our explanations on the stories of Ibrahim AS, the explanation of the sacrifice of the ram, the story of Musa, the story of Isa, the story of Lailatul Mairaj and what the Buraq signifies...The advent of Isa and of Mehdi, what it means - these are just a few yet important segments of the Quran which I am quoting where the taweel is what makes our system sensible and not something out of la-la land....

Frankly, I would find it really difficult to follow a religion which literally believed that a white horse with wings took the prophet towards the heavens or a man of Ibrahim's AS stature would consider slitting the throat of his son on a mountain because that is what he thought Allah asked him to do...an infant son of Mariam AS would speak while her mother chose to remain silent... also that we should expect a person who died 2000 years ago to come back and save us from imminent doom...

Now why did Allah choose to keep information the way it is and not disclose it completely is a different thing altogether.. Why would he 'misguide' when he could just tell it as it is and leave no question worth asking?... I would attribute that as a hazard of existing in Dau-al-Satar where the Shaitan has been given an upper hand.. then again, it is just my way of looking at it and it could be completely wrong....

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:09 pm

Social Awareness wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:34 am
ajamali wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 am

You know that the people on this forum are Bohras? So we already know. It has been a three day event for the last ten years at least. It is news only to a pretender such as yourself.
yes probably its been 10years and I dont even know
If you don’t care about it why did you think you needed to announce it here?

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:11 pm

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I felt to highlight it and I did.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:09 pm

Social Awareness wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:11 pm [DELETED]
I felt to highlight it and I did.

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Oh man... you are so obsessed with Bohras because your paan chewing moulvis just aren’t doing it for you any more. You just love to hate Bohras don’t you?

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by yfm » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:48 pm

Ajamali may be right that I am a troubled soul. But let us spend some time to smell the roses and think. Does it matter whether my ignorant mon believe in the STS or what matters is that we have strong community that takes care of us whether we are wealthy or poor. That these dais do not behave like that they will ony be heard by Allah and that we can not pray individually to our Allah and be heard. That is the test. Does Allah only listens to the bohras through these dais or they listen to the diaspora at large. So help me Allah choose these Dais and the Imams they proclaim to follow. So tell me Ajamali without getting personal what people like me should do? I am a hustler because that is how I survived. But if I was strong and took my stand, I may not have been here. Read your History and you will understand our insecurities.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:16 am

ajamali wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:09 pm
Social Awareness wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:11 pm [DELETED]
I felt to highlight it and I did.

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Oh man... you are so obsessed with Bohras because your paan chewing moulvis just aren’t doing it for you any more. You just love to hate Bohras don’t you?
No not bohras. I just hate fan boys like you, who are slaves and mentally retarded to follow criminals :lol:

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:38 am

Social Awareness wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:16 am
ajamali wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:09 pm

Oh man... you are so obsessed with Bohras because your paan chewing moulvis just aren’t doing it for you any more. You just love to hate Bohras don’t you?
No not bohras. I just hate fan boys like you, who are slaves and mentally retarded to follow criminals :lol:
So what kind of Bohras do you like?

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:45 pm

There are few bohras who still knows that Islam is real base of this community and that consist of teaching of Quran and empathy. They still know life of Imam Ali and Hussain. And life style of Muhammed saw. They know how these criminals dont earn any thing legit yet lives like king and those money comes from people. Life of syedna hatim syedna qutubddin shahhed and fakhruddin shaheed should be look upon.

And most important is to be conscious about Allah all the time.

Simplicity is most important for any Islamic leader. Because Islam is all about that.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:39 pm

The Bohra history includes imams who were kings and lived like kings and were known as tolerant and just rulers. Why focus on the duat who were poor? There is nothing in the books written by Syedna Hatim and his successors that says that one should not live well if one has wealth... why do you want us to be miserable like you and your pan chewing moulvis, Coronavirus? You are generalizing to an extreme. Not all wealth obtained by Bohra leadership is ill-gotten.

So in answer to my question, you are saying you like Bohras who do not spend their money and help grow the economy. You only like them if they don’t spend anything on themselves and work like dogs only for the benefit of others. Essentially you like socialist Bohras :)

Perhaps that’s why your moulvis are so miserable that they have to chew paan.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:52 am

ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:39 pm The Bohra history includes imams who were kings and lived like kings and were known as tolerant and just rulers. Why focus on the duat who were poor? There is nothing in the books written by Syedna Hatim and his successors that says that one should not live well if one has wealth... why do you want us to be miserable like you and your pan chewing moulvis, Coronavirus? You are generalizing to an extreme. Not all wealth obtained by Bohra leadership is ill-gotten.

So in answer to my question, you are saying you like Bohras who do not spend their money and help grow the economy. You only like them if they don’t spend anything on themselves and work like dogs only for the benefit of others. Essentially you like socialist Bohras :)

Perhaps that’s why your moulvis are so miserable that they have to chew paan.
That is why people here call you fan boys.


being a king and live like a king on people money is two different things, for being a king you need to fight wars and do king duties, but to live like king on people money you have to loot people in the name of religion.

:lol: you really live in slave mentality as a fanboy for your master.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by yfm » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:49 am

some tawil or Haqiqat explanation will be different from TF as well as MS. Then you will be going around asking more questions. And life will you leave by. LOL as Ajamali Bhai likes to end it.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:02 am

Social Awareness wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:52 am
ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:39 pm The Bohra history includes imams who were kings and lived like kings and were known as tolerant and just rulers. Why focus on the duat who were poor? There is nothing in the books written by Syedna Hatim and his successors that says that one should not live well if one has wealth... why do you want us to be miserable like you and your pan chewing moulvis, Coronavirus? You are generalizing to an extreme. Not all wealth obtained by Bohra leadership is ill-gotten.

So in answer to my question, you are saying you like Bohras who do not spend their money and help grow the economy. You only like them if they don’t spend anything on themselves and work like dogs only for the benefit of others. Essentially you like socialist Bohras :)

Perhaps that’s why your moulvis are so miserable that they have to chew paan.
That is why people here call you fan boys.


being a king and live like a king on people money is two different things, for being a king you need to fight wars and do king duties, but to live like king on people money you have to loot people in the name of religion.

:lol: you really live in slave mentality as a fanboy for your master.
Did anyone put a gun to people’s head to part with their money? They must be getting something back - social standing, satisfaction of doing good for the community.... whatever. If it is beyond a person’s means to give the money that is being asked, they should grow a spine and not give it. People who are throwing money they cannot afford to part with, at the feet of charlatans, are the real fanboys. So quit sympathizing with them. The blame is to be shared equally.

If someone threw millions of dollars at the feet of your paan chewing moulvi, he would take it too but you don’t get it. That’s why people here call you the virus LOL

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:35 am

I am glad you finally admit that your masters are actually thriving on people money and do nothing to earn that money.

I consider this a positive step for you. you are still a fan boy once you will come out of the trance of stupidity you might understand my above post, it might take few years though. :lol:

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Social Awareness » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:49 am

forget about millions you stupid fanboy hajamali.

money is being asked even for graves and for masjid, and dont tell me TF is not doing it, this thing is going on for years when MB and KQ were well healthy and could have stopped it long back. or find a solution to this if the graveyard or masjid were small for them, there is always solution to things, unless you want to create class within in the community between poor and rich which is BIG NO in ISLAM. millions were collected for jyafats and what not. which is again wrong in Islam to ask for such hefty money and they give them false pride.

fan boy do your lesson first and think over it

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by kseeker » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:31 am

ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:39 pm The Bohra history includes imams who were kings and lived like kings and were known as tolerant and just rulers. Why focus on the duat who were poor? There is nothing in the books written by Syedna Hatim and his successors that says that one should not live well if one has wealth... why do you want us to be miserable like you and your pan chewing moulvis, Coronavirus? You are generalizing to an extreme. Not all wealth obtained by Bohra leadership is ill-gotten.

So in answer to my question, you are saying you like Bohras who do not spend their money and help grow the economy. You only like them if they don’t spend anything on themselves and work like dogs only for the benefit of others. Essentially you like socialist Bohras :)

Perhaps that’s why your moulvis are so miserable that they have to chew paan.
I completely agree with your notion that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich and successful. Prophet Mohammed was from a very rich family and he himself was wealthy.. different sects argue over it but all agree that he was a successful merchant who sold Arabian carpets on the silk route towards Europe... I have never heard of a successful carpet merchant who was poor... Imam Ali Shakir Zain-al-Abideen was a rich person, Imam "Al Hakim" was a very rich person as well... However, no matter how rich you get, you cannot indulge in "Israaf"...
Not all wealth obtained by Bohra leadership is ill-gotten.
I might not know as many bohra leadership as you, but I have yet to find one who did so without corruption... Do I know those who belong to the family but have cut off from them and did well for themselves? absolutely.. but from the leadership, I don't know of one who has not abused his authority, taken gifts or money which were extravagant, or use ill-gotten money to make their own money.... I am talking specifically about the Bohra leadership...

I have noticed that the term 'fan boy' which I have used in a previous post has been attributed to you a couple of times. For the record, I never said it directing towards you... Looking at it subjectively, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being loyal to someone... however, one should also not shut down all their senses and glorify someone while turning a blind eye towards their flaws.. only a mother is allowed to do that towards their child .. Anyone else doing so is drowning in ignorance and is complicit in the spread of evil....

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:29 pm

ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:39 pm The Bohra history includes imams who were kings and lived like kings and were known as tolerant and just rulers. Why focus on the duat who were poor? There is nothing in the books written by Syedna Hatim and his successors that says that one should not live well if one has wealth... why do you want us to be miserable like you and your pan chewing moulvis, Coronavirus? You are generalizing to an extreme. Not all wealth obtained by Bohra leadership is ill-gotten.

So in answer to my question, you are saying you like Bohras who do not spend their money and help grow the economy. You only like them if they don’t spend anything on themselves and work like dogs only for the benefit of others. Essentially you like socialist Bohras :)

Perhaps that’s why your moulvis are so miserable that they have to chew paan.
Kseeker's response has been very kind and measured, and I'll add my two cents but may not be able to match his level of maturity.

You and your Fatemi Dawat ilk have only a thin veneer to separate yourself from the Mufaddal toli. Both of you have been justifying the princely grandeur of this illegitimate dawat for a long time. It might be instructive to remember that if your preferred dai was in the seat and there had been no dispute, you all -- now so self-righteous and holier than thou -- would be part of the same system without shame. Not to forget that you continue to ignore the excesses of Burhanuddin and Taher Saifuddin who laid the foundation of this thieving empire and gave rise to Mufaddal. Just clobbering Mufaddal because he stole your man's title is myopic, disingenuous and hypocritical. Trotting out examples of the Imams who lived like kings is such a lame justification, and it's so 19th century, so at odds with modern, democratic sensibilities. Please understand that the opposite of opulence and haramkhori is not poverty, it's simplicity and honest living.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:11 pm

Humsafar wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:29 pm
ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:39 pm The Bohra history includes imams who were kings and lived like kings and were known as tolerant and just rulers. Why focus on the duat who were poor? There is nothing in the books written by Syedna Hatim and his successors that says that one should not live well if one has wealth... why do you want us to be miserable like you and your pan chewing moulvis, Coronavirus? You are generalizing to an extreme. Not all wealth obtained by Bohra leadership is ill-gotten.

So in answer to my question, you are saying you like Bohras who do not spend their money and help grow the economy. You only like them if they don’t spend anything on themselves and work like dogs only for the benefit of others. Essentially you like socialist Bohras :)

Perhaps that’s why your moulvis are so miserable that they have to chew paan.
Kseeker's response has been very kind and measured, and I'll add my two cents but may not be able to match his level of maturity.

You and your Fatemi Dawat ilk have only a thin veneer to separate yourself from the Mufaddal toli. Both of you have been justifying the princely grandeur of this illegitimate dawat for a long time. It might be instructive to remember that if your preferred dai was in the seat and there had been no dispute, you all -- now so self-righteous and holier than thou -- would be part of the same system without shame. Not to forget that you continue to ignore the excesses of Burhanuddin and Taher Saifuddin who laid the foundation of this thieving empire and gave rise to Mufaddal. Just clobbering Mufaddal because he stole your man's title is myopic, disingenuous and hypocritical. Trotting out examples of the Imams who lived like kings is such a lame justification, and it's so 19th century, so at odds with modern, democratic sensibilities. Please understand that the opposite of opulence and haramkhori is not poverty, it's simplicity and honest living.
Oh my! Simplicity and honest living.....That’s really deep.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:13 pm

Seriously you guys bore me to tears. Get something real to complain about. Complaining about someone else’s lifestyle went out with the guillotine. You are so 18th century.

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by yfm » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:10 am

While the MS and TF and their progeny leave a life of luxury, we here are complaining of them. These days, they are all educated professionals from the money they stole from us, and all the mullas and janabsahebs are from their Jamea training and these bhaisahebs go on making money from the businesses they own. Do they really care about us. They are no longer the ones who made us believe they were entrusted to be the clergy. What legacy we are leaving to our children?

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Re: The barbaric form of iddah

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Unread post by ajamali » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:58 am

yfm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:10 am While the MS and TF and their progeny leave a life of luxury, we here are complaining of them. These days, they are all educated professionals from the money they stole from us, and all the mullas and janabsahebs are from their Jamea training and these bhaisahebs go on making money from the businesses they own. Do they really care about us. They are no longer the ones who made us believe they were entrusted to be the clergy. What legacy we are leaving to our children?
Hahaha! Here is someone who just a few posts ago, pledged to pledge his wealth and his life to the biggest thug on the planet and is now complaining about being robbed by him....what a joke!

Who was holding the gun to your head when the money was “stolen” from you?

Stolen? What a joke....Most likely you were fawning over some personality, bending your knees and kissing a hand as you handed the money over! Please don’t come and cry about it here now!