Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:06 pm

Thank you. I stand corrected. Sometimes very different concepts are introduced during waez which confuses the listener. All along I was told and read that hijri calender started form the migration of The Rasool . Do know that Abrahaa of yemen was mentioned and then in the same context about hijri.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:39 pm

Forwarded as received..,,

we the mumineen of taheri mohallah karachi.n we the one with kids below age 5 yrs are too much hurt.
what a pathetic jamaat we have.mehmaano to woj che jene khuda ye itni istetaat api che k ye log maula sathe ashara kare che waramwaar.but karachi na mumineen nu su.majority are those who are attending ashara after 21 years.where are we?
not in the tutak.not in the masjid.not in the extension.not in the sehen tutak.not in the 3 floors of jamat khana as well.we are in the kpi ground.wow
if we are not ikraam members,we are not the families of secretary n we dont do chaaplusi of ummals so not to expect to get passes.right?
bt we do maula's mohabbat n we also deserve passes in masjids.n the one with under 5 kids atleast deserve passes in jamat khana.kitna mumineen ne to pass allocate aj nathi thaya. lag che Ashara na pchi thase.ghani afsos ni waat che.khamakha hum mumineen khush thaya kare che k maula ye karachi ma ashara kida.mehsoos aj nahi thatu.khabar nahi ke kabhi masjid ni raunak jowu milse.marado ne jo to ek pass nathi masjid no.dhoop ma bithawe che ane feedback forms ma puche che k is there any direct sunlight coming at your seat.only 5 days left.please do something.voice of karachi's mumineen especially taheri mohallah.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:47 pm

गम ए हुसैन को इन जलसों में रूसवा ना करे,
आँसू बहाने के बहाने गम का तमाशा ना करे,

चार कदम चल नहीं पाते बिना अपनी शाही बग्गी से,
आबिद के काफिले का पैदल चलने कि ज़िक्र ना करे,

ऐश ओ आराम के सिवा दुनिया में आपने किया क्या है,
इन मुंह से ज़ैनब के सब्र की बाते ना करे,

बिना ज़ियाफत दिन नहीं गुज़रता साल साल भर,
जानिये अली की फ़ाक़ा -कसी को,
यूँ ही ज़िक्र किया ना करे।

किसी के मरने पर यू जशन मनाते हो,
यज़ीदियत क्या है ,
हमें समझाया ना करे।

खुद को खुदा करार देकर पूजती है क़ौम तस्वीर को,
ईस तरह हुसैन की इस्लाम बचाने की बाते ना करे।



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:13 pm

where is Taheri mohalla. Are you referring to saddar masjid and the mumineen lresiding in that vicinity?



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Unread post by ajamali » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:19 pm

yfm wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:29 pm
Has any one being listening or going to the waaz of either Seyedna Fakruddin or Mufaddal Bhai?

Also who is more educational and inspiring?

Where do the Progressive Dawoody Bohras meet during these days of muharram?

Any information can help this displaced homeless wanderer searching for an abode not in the heavens above but down here on earth

Salaam.
I listened to three waaz of Syedna Fakhruddin and went to listen to relay of MS so that people would see I was there....

Syedna Fakhruddin is superior by far. He almost never had to look at his papers, he recited Quran Ayaat upon aayat without so much as a glance at his papers, he had hundreds of abyaat memorized. He comfortably weaved his way from lisan Ud Dawat to English to Arabic. He weaved with even greater skill a neat fabric of haqiqat bayan, nat geo articles and moezat na kalaam. I felt enriched at the end of the waaz and I felt I was in the presence of a truly gifted and special person.

The other guy, Mufaddal Saifuddin, well he read someone else's words from a script. There is just no comparison.

Yfm I would recommend that you reach out to some fatemi dawat person and get links of STF's first three waaz. The ones by Aziz Bhaisaheb ( day 5 and onwards) are more easily available.



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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by think_for_yourself » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:33 pm

ajamali wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:19 pm
yfm wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:29 pm
Has any one being listening or going to the waaz of either Seyedna Fakruddin or Mufaddal Bhai?

Also who is more educational and inspiring?

Where do the Progressive Dawoody Bohras meet during these days of muharram?

Any information can help this displaced homeless wanderer searching for an abode not in the heavens above but down here on earth

Salaam.
I listened to three waaz of Syedna Fakhruddin and went to listen to relay of MS so that people would see I was there....

Syedna Fakhruddin is superior by far. He almost never had to look at his papers, he recited Quran Ayaat upon aayat without so much as a glance at his papers, he had hundreds of abyaat memorized. He comfortably weaved his way from lisan Ud Dawat to English to Arabic. He weaved with even greater skill a neat fabric of haqiqat bayan, nat geo articles and moezat na kalaam. I felt enriched at the end of the waaz and I felt I was in the presence of a truly gifted and special person.

The other guy, Mufaddal Saifuddin, well he read someone else's words from a script. There is just no comparison.

Yfm I would recommend that you reach out to some fatemi dawat person and get links of STF's first three waaz. The ones by Aziz Bhaisaheb ( day 5 and onwards) are more easily available.
Brother yfm, if you want to watch the Fatemi Dawat waaz in a gathering, you can PM me your location and I can provide you a contact number.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:52 am

I agree with AJ about The Fatemi Dawat waaz. I would like to mention that the shahadat bayan of STF is beyond heart rending. You may be watching alone at home but the 4K broadcast takes you to Darus Sakina and then his words transport you to Karbala 1400 years ago.

This year I did not even go for the MS relay even to "show my face." I had watched STF waaz in the morning and did not want to wipe away the effect with the negative emotions that MS's droning voice inspires.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Sabar » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:02 pm

Received this on whatsapp and printed version through the post.

If after reading this you still decide to listen to a 7 grade drop out, who doesn't have clue about the Arabic language, who can't provide a sermon without reading it word for word (written by someone else), who oppresses people through fear like Yazid, then sadly you have wasted the 'akkal' you have been given.

A question for those who go to MS waaz because of family/ friends pressure, fear of excommunication, etc..... how do you justify to yourself, sitting, listening to an oppressor and fraud when Imam hussein (AS) stood alone against all those things?
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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Reporter » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:44 pm

Devotees sing hosannas for their Sultan:

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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by qjbj » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:26 pm

I listened to the first two STF waaz and they were great. I haven't gone in the mornings to MS functions as I know its a waste of time.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Mkenya » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:46 am

Please visit:
azadari.com
to enlighten yourself about Panjatan Paak, Muharram and Aashura.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am

Reporter wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:44 pm
Devotees sing hosannas for their Sultan:

I have never understood how people can subject themselves to the indignity of being herded into tiny little pens. Barricading for the sake of crowd control is one thing but the Mufaddalies always manage to execute it so as to make it humiliating and inhuman. On the flip side, people who sing jingles for an incoherent moron deserve to be humiliated!!



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:06 pm

Also know that these paan chewing morons who sing song Muffy flatery songs and other non coherent marsias on indian movie rythems are given special preference in masjid and majlis. They plop them selves right in front of Muffy and get to sit in thaals specially reserved for them, but if you search the characters of some of them coming from chakiwara and other down trodden places you will be shocked. I say this because I know some personally . Their character is of a dog"s. They wag their tail and their eye is always on your maal.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by seeker110 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:20 pm

Annual 10 days party of the looteras. Then comes the hunting for your savings and wild animals.



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Unread post by think » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:18 pm

yes, it may be majlis for gham of Imam Hussain but their eyes are on your purse.
Yesterday an amil said "wipe all the dust that has settled on the picture you have of syedna Burhanuddin and Muffy in your homes and spread the dust on your eyes before coming to waez.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:49 am

a perfect example of aakho mein dhool jhokna.

As long as mufaddal dont walk his talk all waez coming from his mouth is of no use.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:47 am

Just found few so called religious idiots who cheat, deal with unjust hardly care about other sunnah and akhlaaq whole year but they are keeping their 6 months old hungry and thirsty on yaume Ashura to prove they are ultra-religious.

what do you say to such people?

isnt it zulm on infants who cant even speak? If I remember such insanity is just started in recent years.

one guy kept her daughter thirsty and hungry whole day, she is just 12 months old and already sick and having serious medical issues.

Imaam Hussain(A) would approve such thing?



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:26 pm

no, Imam Hussain would never approve of such paganism. Deen of Islam begins and ends with Imam Hussain. Why in the world would he want to see little children hungry and thirsty. This is the doings of saitan. He is sitting on the road of sirat ul mustakeem ready to divert your route any chance he gets. Some of the mullas, sheikhs, moalims, Amils , Imams of different mosques and Muffy are diverted by him. Imam , the true representative of Allah is always present on earth and recieves waheah , from Allah through malaikah. Ask any of the above if they claim that they recieve waheah, messages from Allah through an Angel and the answer is a big "NO".Even muffy does not claim that he recieves waheah from Malaikah. So, most of these so called leaders of deen are hocus pocus. Their eyes are on your money in the name of deen. Today it was announced by the amil that all should give niaz e hussain money collected , before asar namaaz and the chamchas were out for collections before asar prayers started. There were about 200 people and the jamaat collected about $10,000.00 just in an afternoon by my estimate..



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:36 pm

The funny thing, monies were collected for niaz e hussain but niaz was provided by the mumineen of atlanta. One person made khichra , another made curry, some distributed water bottles and bhaji roti were distributed by the different house holds. The three, abbu baker, umer and usman of the jamaat did nothing but get fat and count all the monies that they kept demanding from mumineen in the name of Imam Hussain.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:37 pm

The ultimate shahadat bayan!!

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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:37 am

Reporter wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:37 pm
The ultimate shahadat bayan!!

One should not laugh at Shahadat Bayan...but this guy.... :roll: :roll: Check out everyone putting their grief on pause to see his drama when he is about to do sajada! Shame! When he quotes Imam Hussain, Imam Hussain never sounded so lame I am sure....



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Udaipuri » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:46 am

ajamali wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:37 am

One should not laugh at Shahadat Bayan...but this guy.... :roll: :roll: Check out everyone putting their grief on pause to see his drama when he is about to do sajada! Shame! When he quotes Imam Hussain, Imam Hussain never sounded so lame I am sure....
He is not even a good drama-baaz! Truly a good-for-nothing Dai, if there ever was one!



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:04 am

Reporter wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:37 pm
The ultimate shahadat bayan!!

Is that Badri Lacewala I see? The guy who insulted Imam Hussain by saying Imam Hussain is nothing compared to this fool Mufaddal because Imam Hussain ONLY granted seven children to someone (Nauzobillah!) whereas his idiotic master Mufaddal granted hundreds and hundreds of children!! Nice way to honor the memory of an imam - invite the very person who insulted Hussain A.S. and the Ahle Bait in his small minded speech! What a joke.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:12 pm

It is these hard headed guys like lacewala that Muffy relies on for his worship. Can anyone guess as to how many ziafats and pagla he and his goons have attended so far in karachi?
would like to understand Muffy as a good person, i.e. religious, no smoking , no drinking, no womanising , no gambling, but then on the other hand people call him moula aale qader Mufaddal. Can any one explain how he has this title? One can call Imam Hussain Moula because of his sacrifices towards islam . what sacrifices has the present so called Dai made? He was born with a golden spoon in his mouth and living the good life. To call him a Dai is also questionable because of a the case of Daiship being fought in the courts.
with the karachi hoardes lined up to throw 25 lacs to him for ziafat , I have an inner sixth sense that tells me something is gone way out of control ; these mumineen of karachi are duped into believing in him as moula.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:34 pm

think wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:12 pm
It is these hard headed guys like lacewala that Muffy relies on for his worship. Can anyone guess as to how many ziafats and pagla he and his goons have attended so far in karachi?
would like to understand Muffy as a good person, i.e. religious, no smoking , no drinking, no womanising , no gambling, but then on the other hand people call him moula aale qader Mufaddal. Can any one explain how he has this title? One can call Imam Hussain Moula because of his sacrifices towards islam . what sacrifices has the present so called Dai made? He was born with a golden spoon in his mouth and living the good life. To call him a Dai is also questionable because of a the case of Daiship being fought in the courts.
with the karachi hoardes lined up to throw 25 lacs to him for ziafat , I have an inner sixth sense that tells me something is gone way out of control ; these mumineen of karachi are duped into believing in him as moula.
He has increased his hunting from a month a year to two months a year...I think he believes he is SACRIFICING more animals...



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:39 pm

Salaam.
may this message reach to the highest Authorities and we expect some action from them.

we the mumeneen at SBPT 2 Ghodapdeo mumbai had done OHBAT for moharram for attending waaz on kablal waqt to hear zikar of Imam Husain A.S.

this year 1439 H waaz over here was done by janab amil saheb Shk Juzer Banswarawala.
Through out the entire moharram he had only a few topics to do bayaan.
1. Qardan hasana.
2. Fmb thali.
3. Syedna mohammed burhanuddin R.A and Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin T.U.S
4. Dawedar and his sons

we do not deny that we should not talk about our maula.
but we expect some bayaan of Imam Husain A.S in moharram

people finally started going to other masjids and markas to listen waaz

every day in zohar namaz the speed of his praying namaz was faster than that of a bullet train resulting in old people missing rakats.

the heights was crossed on 9th of moharram when he started the waaz at abt 10.45 a.m and kept on going and going just talking abt FMB , Qardan Hasana , and dawedaar.

he was comparing his and dawedar doing waaz in hyderabad and secunderabad..
why do you want to talk abt dawedar in apx every waaz when it is a closed chapter now. finally someone stood up at 2.30 p.m and told amil saheb that namaz QAZA thai gai che , it is than when he stopped the waaz without praying IMAM HUSAIN A.S.shahadat .. and started the namaz of zohr which was Qaza

such people should not be allowed to do waaz. and authorities should look into this matter seriously. Plz share in oder groups as my peoples should know.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:44 pm

I agree fully and equivocally.



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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:45 pm

After Ashura, how many of these who ever you call them follow the examples of Imam Hussein. There was Hur who stopped Imam Hussein and when realized what he had done volunteered to be the first one to fight for Imam Hussein Cause. Then there was Ali Akber, Imam Hussein's son, who was tempted to jump camp and be among the members of his mother and thus would be spared. Then there were many examples of those who deeply in their heart believed in their Imam Hussain and sacrificed their lives for Islam. Then there was Imam Hussain who was just majestic and whore remembrances bring tears to our soul. Would I be able to die for him if I had to do that? We can all shed tears but the test of our imaan is to live a life by deeds and not by tears what Imam Hussain exemplified.

God's best creation suffered to show what this life is all about. We bohras continue to humiliate each other and continue to believe that Mowlas will take us to heaven.

It is so heart breaking when we are deceived. What Imam can take us from the fire in to Janat. If that was that easy, then why did Ali Akber have to die. Why did Ali Asgar have to die. Why did Hur have to change camps and die. They could have done what yazid wanted and relied on Imam Hussain to take them out of the fire.



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by think » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:16 am

ok, karachi ashura tamasha is over . Lots of salams , lots of pops with all the political leaders of Pakistan, lots of ladies qadam bosi. Now what. Where does Mr. Mufaddal pray his regular prayers or in which masjid does he conduct regular prayers? if any. Where has he gone?and what is he doing?Being a religious leader he must be praying or conducting prayers somewhere



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Re: Ashara 1439 - Karachi, Pakistan

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:56 pm

All these grandstanding and Ya Hussain Live Like Ali Die Like Hussain slogans

“Hal Min Nasirin Yansurna” ("IS THERE ANYONE TO HELP ME").

yet where were the Bohras when a few reformists stood up against Kothar in the 70s and 80s

Or SKQ stood against SMS

Or pleading for witnesses for FGM translators for FGM ...

Now like hypocrites of Basra yes Shia of Imam Ali and Imam Hassan ...the betrayers who now do purjosh as regrets .when the victory is in sight . .. spotlight chasers statements media clips ...

And the thousands who go and give pledges and bow and kiss the feet of the modern day Khalifa!

Live like Yazeed !

Ironically I receive WhatsApp Hussain died for mumineen. I replied you fools he died to protect his grandfather's religion and Islam. Not Bohra who have polluted and created some cult. If Hussain was to return he would be shocked by these lunatic hysterical clowns mumbo jumbo in some hindi urdu dialect like pagans.

Zainul Abideen AS would go and drag this joker of Sayedna off the pulpit who is falsely traumatizing the death of his beloved father and actioning beheading and remind this 70 year old child...what if we talk over and over about how his father SMB died of debilitating stroke and how he suffered how his facial features were and dramatise every traumatic state before he died this on his death anniversary repeatedly and got every 6 year old to replay it with forced tears. I say this to highlight how stupid Bohras have stooped to state they are insulting the Ahlul Bayt while exaggerating their rituals.

What double standards we call drawing cartoons by French but let SMS act his death.