Apprehension of a bohra population decline (Are we the next Parsis ?)

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_Zulfikaar_
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Apprehension of a bohra population decline (Are we the next Parsis ?)

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Unread post by _Zulfikaar_ » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:53 am

I have been recently noticing this in my interactions with the dawoodi bohras that most of them are choosing to have less children, in some cases just one. I assume and apprehend that the bohra population is on a decline. Following points being the basis of my doubt :-
  • Higher literacy rates
  • Urban character of the populace
  • Conversion to other maslaks
  • High expectations of single candidates
  • Skewed sex ratio where large number of grooms are not finding brides
  • Conversion of females to sunni maslaks through love marriages
  • And so on
I have this feeling but am not able to substantiate my doubts, the leaked xls file from bohra leaks is also showing close to 5.5 Lakh adherents.
I am having a gut feeling that we are the next parsis, can some informed guy dispel my doubts or am I having the wrong view point ?
A good measure of the population decline is the TFR (Total fertility ratio) which I suspect is close to 1.5 in our community.
Can anyone shed some light ? :cry:



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Unread post by think » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:07 am

the huge gathering in Karachi from all over the world is one of the indicators that the bohri population is on the rise. May be in the west parents have one or two kids but in India , Pakistan , Africa and other countries parents have 4 to 12 children and many wives.



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#3

Unread post by momeenbhai » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:24 pm

by no means bohra population declining....but yes most bohras are falling in akhlaaq and knowledge of deen. also they are turning up as robots who have no brain.



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#4

Unread post by think » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:52 pm

True , robots with no brains, but then I fail to understand how very well educated surgeons, doctors , engineers and lawyers fall prey to this deception. We are all aware of the money hungry jamaats all over the world and their misuse of funds collected in the name of religion. In Karachi today there is a10 to 25 lakh rs.cash for pagla and 25 lakh rs. and upwards for ziafat and there is a long wait . Two ziafats and several paglas is the itinary of the day. Who do you think has so much cash ?



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#5

Unread post by think » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:54 pm

Again, I am getting off the subject. The question is ,if there is a population rise among the bohri's.



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#6

Unread post by think » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:33 pm

bohri population of Karachi around 30,000 and mumineen from other places around the world 25000. Approximate total population of bohris gathered during Ashura in Karachi 55,000.



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Unread post by SBM » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:13 am

think wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:33 pm
bohri population of Karachi around 30,000 and mumineen from other places around the world 25000. Approximate total population of bohris gathered during Ashura in Karachi 55,000.
According to Pakistani Government sources, the gathering is estimated to be around 40,000



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Unread post by think » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:21 pm

well, my source of info is the news media which may be off as it always hyped up and exaggerated and most of the time it is a white lie. Regardless the question of the day is " is the bohri population i.e. dawoodi bohras on the decline?



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Unread post by allbird » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:36 pm

Definitely a BIG NO..... world Population has crossed over 7 billion. Likewise bohra population is growing exponentially there is huge shortage of spaces during 23th Night Lail-latul qadr and Ashara 10th. I can feel the difference every year, its our masajids are getting smaller or population is GROWING.



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#10

Unread post by think » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:12 pm

Well that kills this subject of comparing bohri population with the declining Parsi community. As per Hadees the promise of Allah to Rasool that the entire world will be muslim, so the parsi community still believing in fire as their God has to come to and end one day, slowly but surely.



_Zulfikaar_
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Unread post by _Zulfikaar_ » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:32 am

think wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:07 am
the huge gathering in Karachi from all over the world is one of the indicators that the bohri population is on the rise. May be in the west parents have one or two kids but in India , Pakistan , Africa and other countries parents have 4 to 12 children and many wives.
Which world are you living in ? I dont in the one that you mentioned.



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Unread post by _Zulfikaar_ » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:34 am

allbird wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:36 pm
Definitely a BIG NO..... world Population has crossed over 7 billion. Likewise bohra population is growing exponentially there is huge shortage of spaces during 23th Night Lail-latul qadr and Ashara 10th. I can feel the difference every year, its our masajids are getting smaller or population is GROWING.
That is because of urbanization and lateral movement of bohris coming from the rural to the urban. Most of the unfortunate gaamwala dumbos dont get a bride if they live in their gaams !!!
Think about it. No population increase just lateral movement.



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#13

Unread post by _Zulfikaar_ » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:36 am

_Zulfikaar_ wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:32 am
think wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:07 am
the huge gathering in Karachi from all over the world is one of the indicators that the bohri population is on the rise. May be in the west parents have one or two kids but in India , Pakistan , Africa and other countries parents have 4 to 12 children and many wives.
Which world are you living in ? I dont in the one that you mentioned.
I want to definitely live in this world that you mentioned. I want my many bohri wives :D :D :D



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Unread post by _Zulfikaar_ » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:37 am

I just came up with this topicis because like 10 years ago the kothar was screaming for about a 1 million strong population but now that has given way to a 5 lakh population claim.



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#15

Unread post by think » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:01 pm

If you can afford it and have the physical strength to please more than one bohri wife, you are free to marry another one. the muslim law allows a man to have more than one wife in any muslim country . The middle east, Indonesia, Malaysia are a few choices.
The reason may very well be because of rural population explosion and dearth of jobs as to why this hoard is moving into urban areas. so such movement is not an indication of decline. It is still an increase in bohra population . The only difference is that it is in the rural areas instead of urban. The reason being because of the busy life of urban living where one has to work hard to pay the bills of city life and facilities.



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Unread post by bohra_manus » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:59 pm

think wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:01 pm
If you can afford it and have the physical strength to please more than one bohri wife, you are free to marry another one. the muslim law allows a man to have more than one wife in any muslim country . The middle east, Indonesia, Malaysia are a few choices.
The reason may very well be because of rural population explosion and dearth of jobs as to why this hoard is moving into urban areas. so such movement is not an indication of decline. It is still an increase in bohra population . The only difference is that it is in the rural areas instead of urban. The reason being because of the busy life of urban living where one has to work hard to pay the bills of city life and facilities.
Your two wives will get you double dose of Muffy Maula. :D



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#17

Unread post by think » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:46 pm

who or which law is stopping one from having two wives if one so desires. For the wife to be muffy walley is not the criteria. Just take the example of Mr.Mufaddal or his father or grand father. They all had more than one wife.



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#18

Unread post by _Zulfikaar_ » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:01 am

Once again you are all moving tangentially to the topic. Lets not talk about the wives but the aspect of the decline.
Lets take the case of Ahmedabad :
Tangible proofs of atleast 40 - 60 houses already converting to other maslaks.
Secondly due to our fabulous dai , doing genuine daawat is long dead and have you seen someone converting to our fold lately ?
Third lots of bohri girls are marrying outside and the vice versa is of a subdued degree !!
Go to any ITNC office and there are scores of unwed youth waiting to get married but find no girls there might be other reasons but such guys will obviously contribute to the decline.