Biradar wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:31 pm
Humsafar wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:50 pm
This is a load of bullcrap. Just say you don't know and stop hemming and hawing. There is no ilham but only bad intentions and deception. Splits happen because these crooks are hungry for power, prestige and wealth. If there were a Imam he would be hazir by now and put and end to all these petty feuding dais.
Well said, Humsafar. The reality of the matter is that this cohort of "dai's" are truly petty. Let's think about the 3-4 we know of (and perhaps there are dozens we do not know of).
One guy is in love with wealth and luxury and flies from vacation spot to another. He loves to hunt exotic, endangered animals and supports his parasite family of thousands on money he obtains from his followers. He whips them into a fanatical frenzy, sometimes reducing them to spoon and plate licking morons and at other times screeching and screaming jahils. He is seriously confused: should one do FGM or not? Should women sit in the corner of the house or not? Should you tattle-tale on your neighbor or not? I mean, in one bhaashan sabha he even said he is not sure if people will receive the benediction of Malatona Fatema! In another, he invites a hardcore Hindu politician to give a election rally, turning the days of mourning into a political spectacle and farce. I mean, he is probably the lowest-IQ moron to usurp the position of the da'i.
The other guy wishes he could do everything his lower-IQ cousin is doing. He sits in his house in US and gives lectures which rack up couple of hundred or perhaps a few thousand views. Probably 1% of those actually hear the whole thing, and even fewer really care about his "movement" and "dawaat". His followers are blind as bats and put all ills at the feet of the low-IQ cousin, forgetting conveniently that the problems in the community are decades old and caused due to the limitless greed and love of luxury of their predecessors.
Then we have one other guy living in Varodra and another somewhere in Saudi Arabia. Both of these, though leaders of minuscule communities think they are the "real" da'i and that salvation is only through them.
Coming to the so-called imam. The reality is that there is no such person. Consider the following: in the 1000 years since he went into "hiding" we have had pestilences, major wars, mass murders, holocausts, economic collapse, abject poverty, extreme suffering, pandemics of unbelievable proportions and the world appears on the brink of chaos. Yet, this man is so terrified of some imaginary enemies that he is hiding, behind his mummy's rida, from god-knows what! Meanwhile, his "representatives" say they get telepathic messages from him, each of them claiming the opposite of the other.
The reality is that Islam is an incredibly rich religion with many (all equally valid) paths to achieve union with the Divine Beloved. Islam is not the property of some luxury-loving property developer in Mumbai, or some bloviating hedge-fund manager. There are thousands of Awliya who guide their followers on the Straight Path, without asking for a dime in return. There are giants of Islamic thought who have left their works for everyone to read and benefit from and have not hidden knowledge in so-called "sabak" or "secret" soporific books full of obscure and abstruse doctrines which are meaningless in the modern world. I mean, apparently, we are to believe that the burial process of some random dude is supposed to be highest knowledge one can obtain! Meanwhile, there are Sufi's whose mazaar is open to all, without any need for a dress-code, bribes or even without regard to religion, cast, creed or color. They welcome people with open arms and for hundreds of years have provided solace and a place of rest and spiritual upliftment.
It is sad what the modern Bohras have come to. Instead of embracing the truly egalitarian nature of Islam, in which there is no caste or rank, they have created a fanatical, inward-looking cult that excludes and discriminates, a cult in which one can buy indulgences and expensive hats to fund the truly grotesque lifestyle of the cult leader and his family. And of course, we have fatuous and petty mullahs who fanatically defend their master without thinking for a moment how pathetic they actually sound. Sad.
Coming to the so-called imam. The reality is that there is no such person. Consider the following: in the 1000 years since he went into "hiding" we have had pestilences, major wars, mass murders, holocausts, economic collapse, abject poverty, extreme suffering, pandemics of unbelievable proportions and the world appears on the brink of chaos. Yet, this man is so terrified of some imaginary enemies that he is hiding, behind his mummy's rida, from god-knows what! Meanwhile, his "representatives" say they get telepathic messages from him, each of them claiming the opposite of the other.
So called Imam??? What are you doing on Forum dedicated to betterment of a denomination belonging to Shia sect, when you do not even believe in concept of Imam and Imamat?
How are you so certain about the reality, that there is no Imam? you have the right to say that you are certain about not being aware of an entity called Imam, but you cannot certainly deny his existence just because you are not aware of it, or that it has not come into your tangible experience.
Institution of Imamat is sunnatullah, and by submitting to it by free will is walayat of Allah.
All these unfortunate incidents of the modern history by your logic can also be attributed to failure of action on part of Allah(al ayazobillah) why does Allah not exercise his power and stop all this from happening? does that mean that there is no Allah and he is just an imaginary character?al ayazolbillah...
Imam (as) is not only Imam of human-beings but of everything that exists in this physical world.
This world is mulk of Allah ta Aala, in this mulk it is sunnatullah which is in effect and to get najaat one has live by his ahkam.
subcribing to institution of Imamat by means of walayat by free will is path to salvation.
Imam (as) is Hujjat of Allah, he is WajhAllah, Allah's created this world and gave full knowledge about to divinely appointed Imam.
to believe in ahkam of Allah without any Imam is the deen of Kharijite....
the very sufis saints you are singing praises of believe in Saheb e zamaan from the progeny of Rasulullah and they claim to call him for help and guidance in their journey of spiritual growth.
