Dawoodi Bohras Reformist Vs Orthodox: Community Vs Cult

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gazanfer
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Dawoodi Bohras Reformist Vs Orthodox: Community Vs Cult

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Unread post by gazanfer » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:20 am

Dawoodi Bohra is a sect within the Ismaili branch of Shia Islam also known as Tayyabi Mustali Ismaili. In the chain of Imamat, the 21st Imam Al-Tayyab went into occultation (hiding) and his direct descendant is considered as the current Imam and remains in seclusion. While the Imam is in seclusion, the governance of the sect has been entrusted to the Dai. The Dai is treated as a spiritual head in the Dawoodi Bohra community.
With passage of time, worldly ambitions, wealth, fame and power gradually led to corruption in the system. The Kothar, the system or group which runs the Dai system, went on to become so corrupt that gradually different parts of the world began to witness revolts against it.
Udaipur has been the hub of a healthy and palpating reform movement in the Dawoodi Bohra community for the last almost 50 years. This movement stands out for its strong undertone of faith and is based on a foundation of justice and sacrifice. It is laced with emotions and feelings that may remain beyond the comprehension of individuals. But more importantly, the Dawoodi Bohra reform movement has its base in ethical features that go beyond the simple act of overthrowing the clergy.

On a more intense level, the reform movement of the Dawoodi Bohra in Udaipur establishes the difference between cult and community.

Cult and community are English usages for two groups of people. Wikipedia describes cult as a “reference to a social group defined by its religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal”. In modern usage it implies a group of people with a negative mindset and cut off from the outside world.
On the other hand, a broad meaning of community refers to qualities of positive energy and open mindset.
The purpose of highlighting the difference is to establish the difference between the Kothar-run Dawoodi Bohra group and the Dawoodi Bohra reformists thereby underlining the threat the former issues by enforcing unhealthy ritual, social and economical pressures which have been thoughtfully and very cleverly designed to dominate people’s lives – in all arenas, whether personal or professional.

Cult has two sets of people - producers and consumers. Let us for example talk about a similar mass media entity - television. The audience, which comprises the masses, cannot influence the television programmes whereas the small group of people which creates the programme have the liberty to manipulate the masses. The majority remains a passive audience.
This example can be applied to the Dawoodi Bohra community, too. In its case, the Kothar controls and manipulates the lives of the Dawoodi Bohras.
In a cult, the leader is “God-like”. His is the final word. No questions or doubts are allowed. The community is forced into practises which it is not allowed to question. If you suggest a better way of doing something or raise a doubt about something you are being ordered to do, you stand the risk of being kicked out of the cult.
This same rule applies to the Dawoodi Bohra community where the 51st Dai had made the claim that he is the Ilahul ard (God on this earth) (na aoodhu billah).
The best way to keep people within the cult is to scare them. Terrorise them with fearful consequences. Make them feel guilty. Spread the fear that if they go against what the Dai says then they will invite the wrath of God!

Social boycott has been one of the deadliest tools devised by the Kothar to control the lives of individuals within the Dawoodi Bohra community. The priestly class has been employing this instrument for a very long time now. Those who dared to question the clergy have been socially boycotted. Isolated! Shunned! And this has been the fate of Dawoodi Bohras in Udaipur for a very long time now. The world has been aware of this and equivocally condemned it!

A heart-wrenching and dreadful fallout from such a boycott have been divorces, children being separated from parents, hundreds of families subjected to severe mental tortured. Don’t allow yourself to be befooled by talks of liberalism which the Kothar has come up with now and then, especially whenever it has felt the threat of being exposed and worried about going out of business. This fear of social boycott prevails in the Dawoodi Bohras even today. Community members live in mortal fear all the time of being shunned by the Kothar-provoked society lest they speak up against the diktat of the Kothar.

The constitution of a cult is to give infinite power to the ruler, whereas the constitution of community aims to empower the masses.

Two important inquiry commissions in the past have exposed the malpractices and violation of human rights practised by the Kothar on members of the Dawoodi Bohra community - Justice Nathwani Commission and Justice Tevatia Commission. Justice Nathwani Commission termed the misaaq (oath of allegiance) given by the Dawoodi Bohras to their Dai as a charter of slavery. The world knows that the underlying intention of the misaaq is to make the Dai the master of the soul, mind, body and properties of his followers!

In a cult everybody must be the same. They must dress, talk and behave alike. And all of this is by compulsion. No choice is given. The message is very clear - you violate and you are out! The sword of social boycott is always hanging over your head. Diversity is not tolerated. And Dawoodi Bohras do not observe the laws laid down by Islam. They merely follow the diktat of the Kothar.

A cult will see the rest of the world against it. It will give out the impression that it is in an ideological war with others. It will instil anger in its people towards other. It will feed negative emotions. It will constantly curse other people to keep its member energised. And this is exactly what the orthodox Dawoodi Bohra clergy has been doing for a long time now- initiating curses against the reformist Dawoodi Bohras. All majalises and social gatherings witness their leaders instigating feeling of hatred for the reformists in their followers.

In Surat Al-Baqarah, verse 166 and 167 Allah describes how on the Day of Judgment those who set the trends and standards which others had followed mindlessly would cut themselves off from those who followed them. And those who followed would say if given a second chance, they would cut themselves off from these fake idols.

Islam is based on one thing only: Taqwa which is consciousness of Allah and an unequivocal belief in His oneness. When we create fake uniforms, we place unreasonable pressures on ourselves and our social circles and end up losing members of our community, perhaps irreversibly.

The time is NOW to leave the cult and join the community!
On the Occasion of 1st March black day in the history of Dawoodi Bohra.



Udaipuri
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Unread post by Udaipuri » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:10 pm

gazanfer wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:20 am
The time is NOW to leave the cult and join the community!
If only it was that easy to leave the cult. The slaves are mentally and socially imprisoned by the system. Their conscience is sleeping and they have been robbed of their ability to think. Nobody listening to your appeal, bro.



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Unread post by Humsafar » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:03 pm

Well said gazenfer! Udaipur has been the torch-bearer of reform in modern times. And it has made many path-breaking strides and we have a lot to be proud of. But despite all our achievements, the reform movement we spawned has remained isolated. Our numbers and influence have depleted with every passing year. Yes, we offer a better, open, positive and free community as opposed to the cult of the kothar. But unfortunately there are no takers. Why this is so is the question we must grapple with.

Singing our own praises is not enough. Showing the contrasts between the two sides is not enough. For any sane person of course our side, the reform side is a thousand times better. But it is equally obvious that the common Bohras are not impressed. Why this is so is the question we must answer. We need to do soul searching and be honest and hard with ourselves. There are no easy answers.

And the fundamental question is: Do Bohras really desire change? If there is no willingness to change there's nothing that you and I can do will make a difference. As far as I can tell, Bohras have begun to love their slavery. They have forgotten what it is to be free and independent of mind. They have forgotten what it is to have self-dignity? They have forgotten what Islam is and what our Islamic history is. This is may come across as pessimistic but I see no silver lining in this bleak scenario.

Yet, there is no reason to give up. Struggle must continue but our strategy must change. Doing the same old thing and expecting different results will not work.



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Unread post by _Zulfikaar_ » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:51 am

I pray you understand this one question of mine which will answer all your questions!!
Do you think that Muffy has the talent to rule gullible masses or do you think the masses want someone to put on a pedestal and worship ?

Since moses and the golden calf nothing has changed.
The kothar is not responsible for oppressing people the people are for being oppressed.

And as for the falling numbers more educated and intellectual people usually have less kids...



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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:21 am

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:22 am

Do you think that Muffy has the talent to rule gullible masses or do you think the masses want someone to put on a pedestal and worship ?
It is the combination, Hiter was a great orator and he mesmerized his base who hated Jews. Donald Trump is not a great orator but he has a base of White Anglo Sexton who hate anyone other then their caste
Muffadal is using Religion and promise of Jannat and there is no powerful weapon then using Religion to make them slaves. Everything come downs to Education, in an educated community, people study the true meaning of religion and specially teaching of Islam
No wonder Muffadal does NOT want his followers to be educated, he wants all the girls to stay home and learn home science. He did NOT go AMU celebration because he would have been a FOOL among the SCHOLARS
So conclusion
Yes Muffadal and many con artist like Ramdev has talent of using RELIGION to rule gullible (uneducated) masses



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:04 pm

To add SBM brother.

Muffy is reaping the benefits of his father and uncle who successfully ensured every Mumin had a portrait of SMB in their wallet, car, , wall and office.

After 40 years the Abdes have replaced the unseen unfelt God with this image in beard and turban. SMS was paraded as Shezada....They can touch their god through a white roomal, as Christian tradition God created man in his image, Sayedna say we want you to be like them wear a beard wear std eat what I allegedly eat FMB...mumin are excited.

Very powerful . Now after all this he is asking you to give 1 years income when he guaranteed eternity with him. It's the stubborn us who don't get it and will regret.

It is 's the hard headed like us who keep on referring to Prophet SAW and Qur'an, a book according to Bohras is in foreign language Arabic, talking about a family in Hijaz. Have you noticed the Al Husain of Mecca in Bohra stories is transformed in their minds as Imam Hussain a roti eating lisan dawaat speaking riding a physically small Indian wedding horse saint who speaks about a Diai of Hind to non other than Shimr and his murderer warlords durung his final sajada...and pops out in real life theatrics a SMS in sajada during ashura. How powerful imprint that leaves a message in Abdes Amte and farzando mind.

Their god has said it what more they want to hear. Cult following or what

Now Abdes have switched to SMS. He is their god. The hifz and othet stunts are part of lights and sound effects.



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Unread post by Vas_anwala » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:26 am

Ozdundee wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:04 pm
To add SBM brother.

Muffy is reaping the benefits of his father and uncle who successfully ensured every Mumin had a portrait of SMB in their wallet, car, , wall and office.


Well, I'm thankful for this. Had it not been this way, I too would have strayed outside Islam. So, actually every mumin is thankful for it.
After 40 years the Abdes have replaced the unseen unfelt God with this image in beard and turban.

If it is unseen and unfelt, how did they replace it? You're biting far more than you can chew!!
SMS was paraded as Shezada....They can touch their god through a white roomal, as Christian tradition God created man in his image, Sayedna say we want you to be like them wear a beard wear std eat what I allegedly eat FMB...mumin are excited.


Again, every mumin is happy to have the same fiid that his maula has. What's more interesting is that some of you pigre... Ooops progressives eat the same food just so you could find faults. Tells more about how you're raised, if we can even call it that.
Very powerful . Now after all this he is asking you to give 1 years income when he guaranteed eternity with him. It's the stubborn us who don't get it and will regret.


Do you even know what one years income is? Besides, for a mumin, everything that he claims to be his, is his maula's.

Oh, and before you go down the gutter with this sentence, be warned that I'll start outing names of sons and daughters( something something Mr. Owen ;)) who're having multiple sexual partners (a la west educated) in places, you'll have no control over. Try not to test my patience.
It is 's the hard headed like us who keep on referring to Prophet SAW and Qur'an, a book according to Bohras is in foreign language Arabic, talking about a family in Hijaz.

How is it that Quran is foreign la guage to us, when we're the one's who're requesting everyone to memorize it in Arabic. Do you even compute?
Have you noticed the Al Husain of Mecca in Bohra stories is transformed in their minds as Imam Hussain a roti eating lisan dawaat speaking riding a physically small Indian wedding horse saint who speaks about a Diai of Hind to non other than Shimr and his murderer warlords durung his final sajada...and pops out in real life theatrics a SMS in sajada during ashura. How powerful imprint that leaves a message in Abdes Amte and farzando mind.


Hey, it's better than Shaikh Hamza Yusuf licking the boots of LGBT community to make friends in them. He seems very tight with them recently after the events ;)
Their god has said it what more they want to hear. Cult following or what


We don't consider them gods. They're our saviors.
Now Abdes have switched to SMS. He is their god. The hifz and othet stunts are part of lights and sound effects.
If hifz is lights and sound effects, I wonder what the real show will be.



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Unread post by gulam_parinda » Tue May 29, 2018 8:38 am

*How the bohra enslavement was carried out.*

*1. Eliminate the scholars and learned people.*
This was done by physical elimination of all the real ulema, incl. The ustads of the Syednas themselves, starting from S. Taher Saifuddin and then his son Md. Burhanuddin. Sidelining them and even murdering them gruesomely. Thus no more challenge from those who could expose them.

*2. Eliminate the knowledge base.*
All rare books, manuscipts and treasures held with bohra trusts and individuals were seized either by threats or inducements and then secreted away in vaults so that the quom was deprived of real ilm and could be manipulated with lies and half truths.

*3. Degrading the remaining aalims.*
This was done by bastardising the titles of Mulla and Shaikh and selling them for huge sums to persons of low character who had earned wealth by questionable means, in clear violation of Hadees and the life of the ambiyas.

*4. Perverting the madrasas.* Imparting biased and sinister so-called deeni education to acolytes who parrot the establishment's falsehoods and unleash tyranny on the bohras. Brainwashed and servile amils who are factory trained in whipping up emotions and maximising collections.

*5. Destroying the independence of jamaats and imposing Syedna's controls.*
S. Taher Saifuddin at one stroke swallowed all jamaat properties and pvt trusts and thus began widespread terror and tyranny.

*6. Instituting strict dress codes and system of raza*.
Bohras were made to conform to a uniform, grow compulsory beards and seek raza for everything little thing. Thus a bohra's life became strictly regulated and controlled. The dress also isolated them from the larger world forcing them to become insular.

*7. Increasing the number of taxes and fees* Most of these are unislamic, humbug and cloaked in nonsensical Arabic terms to make ignorant gullible bohras believe it harks back to the times of the Prophet.

*8. Using technology to spread propaganda and tighten controls*
Disseminating false mojizas through email and whatsapp, and creating Ejamaat and ITS cards to monitor and track bohras and threatening them with dire consequences of baraat and social ostracism.

*9. Finally creating an image of power and pomp around the Dai.*
Scout bands, Burhani guards, Fancy motorcades, paid police escorts and bandobast, photo ops with politicians and Govt figures, cultivating influence with crime lords, lavish receptions, fireworks and decorations, all designed to create awe and amazement among simple gullible bohras who now refer to him as Badshah and Ilahul Ardh, God on earth!

The enslavement is complete. Now only more servitude can be expected.