Ahmedabad: Burhani Society Bohras under attack

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Ahmedabad: Burhani Society Bohras under attack

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Unread post by Reporter » Mon May 28, 2018 9:05 am

An Appeal for endorsement and support

To,

All concerned citizens,

The citizens of India have a right to live a life with dignity as guaranteed by the Constitution of India. However, citizens belonging to the Dawoodi Bohra Community living in the Burhani Society, Saraspur, Ahmedabad are living under constant fear of homelessness and social boycott. These citizens are living as tenants of Dawat Property Trust for more than 80 years. The trust asked the residents to vacate their houses as the Trust wants to carry out some construction towards expansion on Dargah area. Few resident of said society have approached the court and sought stay order from the civil court in 2015. Apart from this, same individuals along with few others have filed petition in the State Waqf Board against the same trust personnel for illegal removal and encroachment over the graves of their deceased relatives.

This is an appeal seeking your support to struggle of these citizens for their security and right to live a life of dignity in the community. They are harassed, physically intimidated and are threatened to be killed. We are sending a memorandum to government of Gujarat and to the Honorable Governor of Gujarat to take immediate actions; hence we appeal you to send in your endorsement to include your names.

The trust manager and his aides have started targeting individuals who took the lead in legal actions. They along with their family members have been harassed; threaten to be killed via local goons and other anti-social elements. In the meantime the matter has been also flagged in local media and social media highlighting harassment and threats to the residents. Since then the trust personnel have increased their harassment using various tactics and means.

Recently, social boycott of these families have been ordered by these trust personnel and they have also started a signature campaign to reach out to the community to spread hatred and ensure strict implementation of social boycott. This is a potent weapon used to force the innocent members of the family to withdraw their protests and submit to the illegal actions of the Trust. The Trust personnel are also misleading community members by spreading a myth that these persons have spoken against their religious leader and hence liable to be thrown out of the community and be punished.

Following these series of illegal and misleading actions of community mobilization, the persons who are fighting for their rights and their family members are in absolute state of insecurity and are horrified that they might be attacked anytime and are living in tremendous fear.

Following persons and their family members have been socially boycotted and are facing death threat.

1) Akil Kagalwala

2) Sugra Akil Kagalwala

3) Samina Fakhruddin Rangwala

4) Zehra Kagalwala

5) Saifuddinbhai Shaikh (Kotawala)

We request all concerned citizens to support these families to live with dignity, security and to secure their right to life.

Kindly circulate it widely for support.

Thanking you in anticipation.

Please find the link of the news covered in local news channel.


youtu.be/WAhV6JovQ2c


youtu.be/979HmRG-d4w

Regards
Insolidarity
Hozefa

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Unread post by ajamali » Mon May 28, 2018 12:00 pm

MS misunderstood this bayan of Burhanuddin Moula. He must have thought it is opposite day! It is also funny that these people who are being displaced believe thst all this is happening without MS’s knowledge!
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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 am

This is an appeal to support, and I understand. How can we support and endorse?

What concrete way can somebody help? Any suggestions?

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Unread post by HJK » Tue May 29, 2018 2:13 am

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 am
This is an appeal to support, and I understand. How can we support and endorse?

What concrete way can somebody help? Any suggestions?
Before you jump to support one side you should always know the story of the other side bhai. There were many people living in the Dawat property since years ( it is not thier property). When the property was required back the people were not asked to empty it just like that but everybody was offered compensation which was later increased. Alot of people took it and left and bought houses. Better houses. Some people demanding unreasonable amounts, highly unrealistic amounts are the ones left. Only 3 out of soo many. The rest is made up. Why would everybody go but not the last 3??

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue May 29, 2018 4:08 am

Why is your story more reliable then the victims ?

Surely the story in media cannot be 100% false

The harrassment of few is completely

If those crooks have any guts step into my country and I will teach them a very painful lesson.
HJK wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 2:13 am
dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 am
This is an appeal to support, and I understand. How can we support and endorse?

What concrete way can somebody help? Any suggestions?
Before you jump to support one side you should always know the story of the other side bhai. There were many people living in the Dawat property since years ( it is not thier property). When the property was required back the people were not asked to empty it just like that but everybody was offered compensation which was later increased. Alot of people took it and left and bought houses. Better houses. Some people demanding unreasonable amounts, highly unrealistic amounts are the ones left. Only 3 out of soo many. The rest is made up. Why would everybody go but not the last 3??

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Unread post by HJK » Tue May 29, 2018 11:33 am

Ozdundee wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 4:08 am
Why is your story more reliable then the victims ?

Surely the story in media cannot be 100% false

The harrassment of few is completely

If those crooks have any guts step into my country and I will teach them a very painful lesson.
HJK wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 2:13 am


Before you jump to support one side you should always know the story of the other side bhai. There were many people living in the Dawat property since years ( it is not thier property). When the property was required back the people were not asked to empty it just like that but everybody was offered compensation which was later increased. Alot of people took it and left and bought houses. Better houses. Some people demanding unreasonable amounts, highly unrealistic amounts are the ones left. Only 3 out of soo many. The rest is made up. Why would everybody go but not the last 3??
You seem to be an overconfident man and nothing else. People will step in and go out when the time is right and you will be able to do nothing, just tumble over your molehill.
You believe what you want to i gave the exactly true version of the story. They are being offered a very reasonable sum but thier demand is highly unreasonable.

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Unread post by HJK » Tue May 29, 2018 11:34 am

Ozdundee wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 4:08 am
Why is your story more reliable then the victims ?

Surely the story in media cannot be 100% false

The harrassment of few is completely

If those crooks have any guts step into my country and I will teach them a very painful lesson.
HJK wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 2:13 am


Before you jump to support one side you should always know the story of the other side bhai. There were many people living in the Dawat property since years ( it is not thier property). When the property was required back the people were not asked to empty it just like that but everybody was offered compensation which was later increased. Alot of people took it and left and bought houses. Better houses. Some people demanding unreasonable amounts, highly unrealistic amounts are the ones left. Only 3 out of soo many. The rest is made up. Why would everybody go but not the last 3??
You seem to be an overconfident man and nothing else. People will step in and go out when the time is right and you will be able to do nothing, just tumble over your molehill.
You believe what you want to i gave the exactly true version of the story. They are being offered a very reasonable sum but thier demand is highly unreasonable.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue May 29, 2018 4:07 pm

HJK wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 2:13 am
dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 am
This is an appeal to support, and I understand. How can we support and endorse?

What concrete way can somebody help? Any suggestions?
Before you jump to support one side you should always know the story of the other side bhai. There were many people living in the Dawat property since years ( it is not thier property). When the property was required back the people were not asked to empty it just like that but everybody was offered compensation which was later increased. Alot of people took it and left and bought houses. Better houses. Some people demanding unreasonable amounts, highly unrealistic amounts are the ones left. Only 3 out of soo many. The rest is made up. Why would everybody go but not the last 3??
Even if what you say may have some validity, how is it okay to beat up a child such that he gets a fracture, or put a fellow bohra in jail (his father was in jail), or threaten poor families. Have you even gone thru the video(s)?

Is that how you treat fellow momineen, or any fellow human being? Even discounting that the TV channel tries to dramatize somewhat, go thru the material statements in the interviews; is this any way to treat a feloow humanbeing, let alone a fellow brother/sister in faith?

If accurate, Allah will judge the people who perpetuate such actions, and yes, I will pray for them this Ramazan, that at least they be safe.

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Unread post by HJK » Wed May 30, 2018 5:01 am

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 4:07 pm
HJK wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 2:13 am


Before you jump to support one side you should always know the story of the other side bhai. There were many people living in the Dawat property since years ( it is not thier property). When the property was required back the people were not asked to empty it just like that but everybody was offered compensation which was later increased. Alot of people took it and left and bought houses. Better houses. Some people demanding unreasonable amounts, highly unrealistic amounts are the ones left. Only 3 out of soo many. The rest is made up. Why would everybody go but not the last 3??
Even if what you say may have some validity, how is it okay to beat up a child such that he gets a fracture, or put a fellow bohra in jail (his father was in jail), or threaten poor families. Have you even gone thru the video(s)?

Is that how you treat fellow momineen, or any fellow human being? Even discounting that the TV channel tries to dramatize somewhat, go thru the material statements in the interviews; is this any way to treat a feloow humanbeing, let alone a fellow brother/sister in faith?

If accurate, Allah will judge the people who perpetuate such actions, and yes, I will pray for them this Ramazan, that at least they be safe.
Have you verified that if what he is saying is true, it is not even close to true.

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Unread post by SBM » Wed May 30, 2018 6:06 am

Dawat property since years
And who owns Dawat Property? The Goons in White Robes never worked in their life and all the properties they owned were either snatched
from Philanthropists like Adamjee Peerbhai or Maskati Family. The rest were paid by Abdes/Amtes who were coerced into giving.
They are being offered a very reasonable sum but thier demand is highly unreasonable.
Seems like you know more, can you tell people here what sums were offered and was it market value or Kothari Goon Value which is snatch

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Unread post by allbird » Wed May 30, 2018 7:49 am

And what explanation or story you have about bull dozing graves of deceased. Were those graves illegal too, were the next of kins of those graves offered generous amount ?... and to built a helipad for Moula exclusive. No mumineen are going to arrive in copters excpet Moula. Just for 1 human hundred graves bull dozed......you are same as ISIS. Tohba Astagferullah.

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Unread post by HJK » Thu May 31, 2018 12:40 am

allbird wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 7:49 am
And what explanation or story you have about bull dozing graves of deceased. Were those graves illegal too, were the next of kins of those graves offered generous amount ?... and to built a helipad for Moula exclusive. No mumineen are going to arrive in copters excpet Moula. Just for 1 human hundred graves bull dozed......you are same as ISIS. Tohba Astagferullah.
Firstly not these many graves were buldozed the no is super hyped and there not an ounce of truth + there is a system running in every kabrastan that graves older than 50 years or uptill 100 years are wiped of if nobody is visiting them, there was nobody visiting some people just woke up to see this as an opportunity. Secondly there helipad is there since years on an adjacent property where there is no kabrastan at all. It is since the start of Syedna Burhanuddin r a zamaan.

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Unread post by HJK » Thu May 31, 2018 12:43 am

SBM wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 6:06 am
They are being offered a very reasonable sum but thier demand is highly unreasonable.
Seems like you know more, can you tell people here what sums were offered and was it market value or Kothari Goon Value which is snatch
There was no market value since the property that they are living on is already dawat property, but they were given hefty sums, some could literally purchase a house and a shop in ahmedabad. The left out are asking for 10 times more than even this.

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Thu May 31, 2018 3:28 am

this is dawat property and these people should be thankful to dawat for letting them live on these properties for years for really small rent.

also big offers are are given to them to vacate yet this people are looking for more trouble for them self.

My aunty lived in one of those dawat property during burhanuddin times, they gave them flat and they vacate it easily without any troubles.

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Thu May 31, 2018 3:30 am

I stand for truth where ever it comes from.

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Unread post by hozefaujjaini123 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:36 am

Dear all,
I would like to give comments on the issues of Burhani Society Ahmedabad.

1) The issue emerg when the development project of Qutubuddin Saheed Dargah taken placed. The burhani society tenants living since more then 80 years on the place.

2) Trust had made a huge investment in getting the corporation play ground (reserve plot) to make musafarkhana and combining the entire dargah plot. (Most like in Burhanpur)

3) Despite a huge project Trust failed to develop a good project for the resident of Burhani Society around 80 families.

4) As mentioned earlier trust had taken all illegal steps to take the reserved play ground on lease of 99 years. Along with it they have purchased a TP road nos. 16 to combine the entire dargah compound (again a huge corruption). They closed the road in which dalit community opposed and police beaten them in worst. Here came another issue after closing the road, trust had illegally demolished the graves of Kabristaan (behind Qutubi mazaar), given a land to corporation to make road as substitute of TP 16.

5) kabristaan land which is left out after given in road was also on stake. Trust started builiding wall on the pucca graves and wants to make platform so that Maula's waaz can be organized. For this some of around 17 Bohras taken objection for hurting their sentiments by demolishing their descendants graves in waqf board. Again trust given a huge amount in waqf and no steps taken accept giving 6 notice to trust and no replies from trust. (Though trust takes 7 thousand and more as volunteer contribution for dafan)

6) Now coming to residents of Burhani, trust perssonales had intelligently, tactfully seen that people should not unite. Hence they call individual s families and made their settlements. For some they built new house on the same place, for some they given money again its depends how the families negotiate and they allowes (huge corruption), and some fighted back and taken stay order for statusquo. Now this trust wants this people to vacate the houses by hook and crook. Engaging goons, threatening them, send peoples for settelment randomly and then spreading false news that these people demands is much higher.

7) Many time local medias covered the issues and then some people went to lok swami in which they clears with evidence that this people are taking name of Saiyedana and doing all this.

8) Shaikh Oanali and Hussain Sukhsarwala get exposed and then they taken coward steps to mobilize community against the voice of common bohras by spreading fake news that these 6 peoples have abuse the Saiyedana and spoken against the Saiyedana (which is very much wrong one can listen the video).

9) trust started mobilizing people to file case against these 6 peoples for hurting religious sentiments and spreading hate against them, social boycott and band on all raza. Hence threat of their life.

A likely story which is in very brief, if someone wants more detail I will provide.

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Unread post by HJK » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:50 am

hozefaujjaini123 wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:36 am
Dear all,
I would like to give comments on the issues of Burhani Society Ahmedabad.

1) The issue emerg when the development project of Qutubuddin Saheed Dargah taken placed. The burhani society tenants living since more then 80 years on the place.

2) Trust had made a huge investment in getting the corporation play ground (reserve plot) to make musafarkhana and combining the entire dargah plot. (Most like in Burhanpur)

3) Despite a huge project Trust failed to develop a good project for the resident of Burhani Society around 80 families.

4) As mentioned earlier trust had taken all illegal steps to take the reserved play ground on lease of 99 years. Along with it they have purchased a TP road nos. 16 to combine the entire dargah compound (again a huge corruption). They closed the road in which dalit community opposed and police beaten them in worst. Here came another issue after closing the road, trust had illegally demolished the graves of Kabristaan (behind Qutubi mazaar), given a land to corporation to make road as substitute of TP 16.

5) kabristaan land which is left out after given in road was also on stake. Trust started builiding wall on the pucca graves and wants to make platform so that Maula's waaz can be organized. For this some of around 17 Bohras taken objection for hurting their sentiments by demolishing their descendants graves in waqf board. Again trust given a huge amount in waqf and no steps taken accept giving 6 notice to trust and no replies from trust. (Though trust takes 7 thousand and more as volunteer contribution for dafan)

6) Now coming to residents of Burhani, trust perssonales had intelligently, tactfully seen that people should not unite. Hence they call individual s families and made their settlements. For some they built new house on the same place, for some they given money again its depends how the families negotiate and they allowes (huge corruption), and some fighted back and taken stay order for statusquo. Now this trust wants this people to vacate the houses by hook and crook. Engaging goons, threatening them, send peoples for settelment randomly and then spreading false news that these people demands is much higher.

7) Many time local medias covered the issues and then some people went to lok swami in which they clears with evidence that this people are taking name of Saiyedana and doing all this.

8) Shaikh Oanali and Hussain Sukhsarwala get exposed and then they taken coward steps to mobilize community against the voice of common bohras by spreading fake news that these 6 peoples have abuse the Saiyedana and spoken against the Saiyedana (which is very much wrong one can listen the video).

9) trust started mobilizing people to file case against these 6 peoples for hurting religious sentiments and spreading hate against them, social boycott and band on all raza. Hence threat of their life.

A likely story which is in very brief, if someone wants more detail I will provide.
You said this is trust property so are you not the ones occupying someone elses land? Also if they were to settle even calling people separately for settlement why did you guys not settle? They have given people enough money to buy houses. You go to lok swami, a news channel who has given news not only about Skqs nass but also about the false sajda video clearly showing who is paying them for the news. You are telling us that no 1 mentioned the Syedna, u need to see the videos again bro. If this were somebody elses leader that you had spoken about this way you would have been probably killed. We are not taught to do this. Thats the proof that all your allegations regarding sending goons are not only false but also only to make money. You should be sued for this.

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Unread post by HJK » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:54 am

80 years or 100 years will the amount of years tou stayed on the land make this your property?

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Unread post by HJK » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:58 am

According to you the people who settled for houses and were given money are fools? You staying there occupying somebody elses land is what!!! Bravery??
Since you did not get the money nor the house due to your unreasonable demands the other side are all corrupt?

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Unread post by Nats » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:35 am

The breaking of qabrs in Ahmedabad qabrastan has nothing to do with the lame story of the qabrs being broken because it is 50 to 100 years old and no relatives to look after and blah blah. They have been taken down by This Moula very hearlessly. My own nana & nani's qabrs were situated next to roza and they have mercilessly wiped them off in spite of us going to Aamilsaab and telling them that they are only 10 yr old qabrs. At first the Aamil told us that they will not be broken but after 15 days one fine morning when we went both the qabrs were gone! No intimation nothing was given..Overnight they have been removing the qabrs.

Heartless people...I am ashamed of this community...

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:41 am

This can only happen in India. In the west you have laws. The burial is a lot purchased and remains are protected.

When a cemetery plot or grave is purchased, the cemetery retains ownership of the land. The purchase allows the owner the right to be buried on cemetery property. This burial right is owned in perpetuity, and can be handed down in a family or willed to another family member or friend.

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:20 am

Br Oz
In India, some of these Cemeteries are provided by Government and local Municipalities free of charge, unfortunately Government officials are nicely greased by Kothari Mafia and they can get away with Murder. :oops:

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:28 pm

The view from Kothar .... and their local henchmen ... ??


youtu.be/qB3DCQ47aZA

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:54 am

All of them lost the case (morally) and now place will be redeveloped as planned. They were offered lots of money and good houses already from the first day.

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:14 am

momeenbhai wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 3:28 am
this is dawat property and these people should be thankful to dawat for letting them live on these properties for years for really small rent.

also big offers are are given to them to vacate yet this people are looking for more trouble for them self.

My aunty lived in one of those dawat property during burhanuddin times, they gave them flat and they vacate it easily without any troubles.
I stated same thing as video shown long back.